Elchanan is violating the fundamental agreement that makes polite academic debate -possible-

[Guest guest]

Here, we see several examples of Elchanan refusing to make even the

-slightest- attempt to answer questions or present -any- logic or data

supporting his nonsensical writings.

That is evasive, dishonest, anti-intellectual, an insult to everyone

here who IS sincere about human diet or nutrition, and an unmistakable

admission that Elchanan simply CAN NOT support the hollow claims he

continually makes in public.

Worse, he evades all standards of intellectual integrity by

uniformly abandoning his intellectual -responsibility- by supporting his

claims with -facts- and -logic-.

Elchanan is violating the fundamental agreement that makes polite

academic debate -possible-: the presentation of well-established FACTS

and LOGIC to support one's claims made in PUBLIC, or, being UNABLE to do

so, the POLITE WITHDRAWAL of the unsupported allegation, and not raise

it again, except to present a well-thought-out, credible argument.

 

Elchanan is an intellectual FRAUD.

 

He holds himself out to the ignorant public as some sort of expert

on raw foods and human nutrition; HOWEVER, he can not support his claims

when challenged to do so. .That is basically evil; the deliberate lying

to the public about known scientific principles.

 

Elchanan is an intellectual FRAUD.

 

He intentionally failed to even -attempt- to answer the issues I

raised, so I will repeat them for his convenience.

 

> Elchanan wrote:

> You can research until the cows come home, but until you come to

terms with the fear inside ,,,

 

Claiming you can read minds over the Internet? You are lying and

projecting your psychopathology on the external world.

[NOTE: false claims of such mental-telepathy-by-Internet are rather common

among the most deranged on the self-appointed diet cultists. Note that his

'special]

 

> I am all for intelligent thought ...

Really. when can we expect some from you?

[NOTE: nothing offered.]

 

> ... cognition, is a poor mechanism through

which to perceive and comprehend Nature's design for life.

What's the alternative; religion, faith, doctrine, dogma, ...

[More allusions to vague, mystical powers he does not display. Suggestion that

HE has " special " power the rest of us do not: self-aggrandizement, one of the

characteristics of paranoid schizophrenia. The other is delusions of

persecution.]

 

> And this is why, in a sense, we find ourselves immersed

nowadays in so much absurdity.

Speak for yourself.

[A childish attempt to continually redefine reality is HIS image.]

 

> What's up with all the anger?

Simple, it is *your projection*, a cheap trick to avoid rational

discussion.

[NOTE: the mental telepathy lie again. HE DEFINES my consciousness in negative

terms and then criticizes HIS DISTORTION to fit his own self-aggrandizing

fantasies. See the pattern, yet? It will be a common trick.]

 

Also, you will see that NO responses were made to the issues I raised; this is

his only way of dealing with objections to his horrific distortions of simple

science, by IGNORING THEM. He does not have the minimal intellectual integrity

to behave in an honest manner -- and that is SUPPORT OR WITHDRAW.

 

Elchanan is an intellectual FRAUD.

Elchanan is an intellectual FRAUD.

Elchanan is an intellectual FRAUD.

 

Laurie

.._,

 

Scientifically-credible info on human diet:

http://ecologos.org/ttdd.html

news:alt.food.vegan.science

[Guest guest]

Laurie,

If you have a problem with someone, maybe you should email them privately.

I've never heard of anyone eating a raw diet behaving this angry and mean.

For me personally, as the physical toxins left the body so did the emotional

ones. I hope you can keep healing and find peace with yourself and others.

 

Laurie < wrote: Here, we

see several examples of Elchanan refusing to make even the

-slightest- attempt to answer questions or present -any- logic or data

supporting his nonsensical writings.

That is evasive, dishonest, anti-intellectual, an insult to everyone

here who IS sincere about human diet or nutrition, and an unmistakable

admission that Elchanan simply CAN NOT support the hollow claims he

continually makes in public.

Worse, he evades all standards of intellectual integrity by

uniformly abandoning his intellectual -responsibility- by supporting his

claims with -facts- and -logic-.

Elchanan is violating the fundamental agreement that makes polite

academic debate -possible-: the presentation of well-established FACTS

and LOGIC to support one's claims made in PUBLIC, or, being UNABLE to do

so, the POLITE WITHDRAWAL of the unsupported allegation, and not raise

it again, except to present a well-thought-out, credible argument.

 

Elchanan is an intellectual FRAUD.

 

He holds himself out to the ignorant public as some sort of expert

on raw foods and human nutrition; HOWEVER, he can not support his claims

when challenged to do so. .That is basically evil; the deliberate lying

to the public about known scientific principles.

 

Elchanan is an intellectual FRAUD.

 

He intentionally failed to even -attempt- to answer the issues I

raised, so I will repeat them for his convenience.

 

> Elchanan wrote:

> You can research until the cows come home, but until you come to

terms with the fear inside ,,,

 

Claiming you can read minds over the Internet? You are lying and

projecting your psychopathology on the external world.

[NOTE: false claims of such mental-telepathy-by-Internet are rather common

among the most deranged on the self-appointed diet cultists. Note that his

'special]

 

> I am all for intelligent thought ...

Really. when can we expect some from you?

[NOTE: nothing offered.]

 

> ... cognition, is a poor mechanism through

which to perceive and comprehend Nature's design for life.

What's the alternative; religion, faith, doctrine, dogma, ...

[More allusions to vague, mystical powers he does not display. Suggestion

that HE has " special " power the rest of us do not: self-aggrandizement, one of

the characteristics of paranoid schizophrenia. The other is delusions of

persecution.]

 

> And this is why, in a sense, we find ourselves immersed

nowadays in so much absurdity.

Speak for yourself.

[A childish attempt to continually redefine reality is HIS image.]

 

> What's up with all the anger?

Simple, it is *your projection*, a cheap trick to avoid rational

discussion.

[NOTE: the mental telepathy lie again. HE DEFINES my consciousness in

negative terms and then criticizes HIS DISTORTION to fit his own

self-aggrandizing fantasies. See the pattern, yet? It will be a common trick.]

 

Also, you will see that NO responses were made to the issues I raised; this is

his only way of dealing with objections to his horrific distortions of simple

science, by IGNORING THEM. He does not have the minimal intellectual integrity

to behave in an honest manner -- and that is SUPPORT OR WITHDRAW.

 

Elchanan is an intellectual FRAUD.

Elchanan is an intellectual FRAUD.

Elchanan is an intellectual FRAUD.

 

Laurie

._,

 

Scientifically-credible info on human diet:

http://ecologos.org/ttdd.html

news:alt.food.vegan.science

 

 

 

 

 

 

-Laura

www.evescupboard.blogspot.com

www.rawteacher.com/lauralee/

 

 

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[Guest guest]

since when did coming here and sharing become a debate forum? I am here to

listen to what everyone has to say in hopes of learning more. I am capable of

researching and then deciding what I belive. I don't feel it necessary when I

disagree with someone to become angry and name calll wasting everyone's time.

Elchnan has helped several people on their journey. And for those who choose

another path,great. This used to be a nice place to come and share and when

people didn't agree they just went on but now it seems people are intent on

having such a negative environment. Why is that necessary?

 

Terry

 

Laurie < wrote:

Here, we see several examples of Elchanan refusing to make even the

-slightest- attempt to answer questions or present -any- logic or data

supporting his nonsensical writings.

That is evasive, dishonest, anti-intellectual, an insult to everyone

here who IS sincere about human diet or nutrition, and an unmistakable

admission that Elchanan simply CAN NOT support the hollow claims he

continually makes in public.

Worse, he evades all standards of intellectual integrity by

uniformly abandoning his intellectual -responsibility- by supporting his

claims with -facts- and -logic-.

Elchanan is violating the fundamental agreement that makes polite

academic debate -possible-: the presentation of well-established FACTS

and LOGIC to support one's claims made in PUBLIC, or, being UNABLE to do

so, the POLITE WITHDRAWAL of the unsupported allegation, and not raise

it again, except to present a well-thought-out, credible argument.

 

Elchanan is an intellectual FRAUD.

 

He holds himself out to the ignorant public as some sort of expert

on raw foods and human nutrition; HOWEVER, he can not support his claims

when challenged to do so. .That is basically evil; the deliberate lying

to the public about known scientific principles.

 

Elchanan is an intellectual FRAUD.

 

He intentionally failed to even -attempt- to answer the issues I

raised, so I will repeat them for his convenience.

 

> Elchanan wrote:

> You can research until the cows come home, but until you come to

terms with the fear inside ,,,

 

Claiming you can read minds over the Internet? You are lying and

projecting your psychopathology on the external world.

[NOTE: false claims of such mental-telepathy-by-Internet are rather common among

the most deranged on the self-appointed diet cultists. Note that his 'special]

 

> I am all for intelligent thought ...

Really. when can we expect some from you?

[NOTE: nothing offered.]

 

> ... cognition, is a poor mechanism through

which to perceive and comprehend Nature's design for life.

What's the alternative; religion, faith, doctrine, dogma, ...

[More allusions to vague, mystical powers he does not display. Suggestion that

HE has " special " power the rest of us do not: self-aggrandizement, one of the

characteristics of paranoid schizophrenia. The other is delusions of

persecution.]

 

> And this is why, in a sense, we find ourselves immersed

nowadays in so much absurdity.

Speak for yourself.

[A childish attempt to continually redefine reality is HIS image.]

 

> What's up with all the anger?

Simple, it is *your projection*, a cheap trick to avoid rational

discussion.

[NOTE: the mental telepathy lie again. HE DEFINES my consciousness in negative

terms and then criticizes HIS DISTORTION to fit his own self-aggrandizing

fantasies. See the pattern, yet? It will be a common trick.]

 

Also, you will see that NO responses were made to the issues I raised; this is

his only way of dealing with objections to his horrific distortions of simple

science, by IGNORING THEM. He does not have the minimal intellectual integrity

to behave in an honest manner -- and that is SUPPORT OR WITHDRAW.

 

Elchanan is an intellectual FRAUD.

Elchanan is an intellectual FRAUD.

Elchanan is an intellectual FRAUD.

 

Laurie

.._,

 

Scientifically-credible info on human diet:

http://ecologos.org/ttdd.html

news:alt.food.vegan.science

 

 

 

 

 

 

Terry Lynn Bakhtiari

May God bless you

Today and always.

www.terrywithpcos.blogspot.com

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

REALLY! Get a shrink!

 

Louise

 

rawfood , Laura Urbaitis <littleladsbasket

wrote:

>

> Laurie,

> If you have a problem with someone, maybe you should email them

privately.

> I've never heard of anyone eating a raw diet behaving this angry

and mean.

> For me personally, as the physical toxins left the body so did the

emotional ones. I hope you can keep healing and find peace with

yourself and others.

>

> Laurie < wrote: Here,

we see several examples of Elchanan refusing to make even the

> -slightest- attempt to answer questions or present -any- logic or

data

> supporting his nonsensical writings.

> That is evasive, dishonest, anti-intellectual, an insult to

everyone

> here who IS sincere about human diet or nutrition, and an

unmistakable

> admission that Elchanan simply CAN NOT support the hollow claims

he

> continually makes in public.

> Worse, he evades all standards of intellectual integrity by

> uniformly abandoning his intellectual -responsibility- by

supporting his

> claims with -facts- and -logic-.

> Elchanan is violating the fundamental agreement that makes

polite

> academic debate -possible-: the presentation of well-established

FACTS

> and LOGIC to support one's claims made in PUBLIC, or, being UNABLE

to do

> so, the POLITE WITHDRAWAL of the unsupported allegation, and not

raise

> it again, except to present a well-thought-out, credible argument.

>

> Elchanan is an intellectual FRAUD.

>

> He holds himself out to the ignorant public as some sort of expert

> on raw foods and human nutrition; HOWEVER, he can not support his

claims

> when challenged to do so. .That is basically evil; the deliberate

lying

> to the public about known scientific principles.

>

> Elchanan is an intellectual FRAUD.

>

> He intentionally failed to even -attempt- to answer the issues I

> raised, so I will repeat them for his convenience.

>

> > Elchanan wrote:

> > You can research until the cows come home, but until you come

to

> terms with the fear inside ,,,

>

> Claiming you can read minds over the Internet? You are lying and

> projecting your psychopathology on the external world.

> [NOTE: false claims of such mental-telepathy-by-Internet are

rather common among the most deranged on the self-appointed diet

cultists. Note that his 'special]

>

> > I am all for intelligent thought ...

> Really. when can we expect some from you?

> [NOTE: nothing offered.]

>

> > ... cognition, is a poor mechanism through

> which to perceive and comprehend Nature's design for life.

> What's the alternative; religion, faith, doctrine, dogma, ...

> [More allusions to vague, mystical powers he does not display.

Suggestion that HE has " special " power the rest of us do not: self-

aggrandizement, one of the characteristics of paranoid

schizophrenia. The other is delusions of persecution.]

>

> > And this is why, in a sense, we find ourselves immersed

> nowadays in so much absurdity.

> Speak for yourself.

> [A childish attempt to continually redefine reality is HIS image.]

>

> > What's up with all the anger?

> Simple, it is *your projection*, a cheap trick to avoid

rational

> discussion.

> [NOTE: the mental telepathy lie again. HE DEFINES my

consciousness in negative terms and then criticizes HIS DISTORTION to

fit his own self-aggrandizing fantasies. See the pattern, yet? It

will be a common trick.]

>

> Also, you will see that NO responses were made to the issues I

raised; this is his only way of dealing with objections to his

horrific distortions of simple science, by IGNORING THEM. He does

not have the minimal intellectual integrity to behave in an honest

manner -- and that is SUPPORT OR WITHDRAW.

>

> Elchanan is an intellectual FRAUD.

> Elchanan is an intellectual FRAUD.

> Elchanan is an intellectual FRAUD.

>

> Laurie

> ._,

>

> Scientifically-credible info on human diet:

> http://ecologos.org/ttdd.html

> news:alt.food.vegan.science

-Laura

> www.evescupboard.blogspot.com

> www.rawteacher.com/lauralee/

>

>

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