Nutrient data; 80/10/10 Success Guide; High-water-content foods (WAS: Concerning nutrients from raw foods question)

[Guest guest]

Nice Kimchee, very few people have ever spent much time in the nutrient

database.

 

In this regard, there is a wonderful publication available called " The

80/10/10 Success Guide " . Although motivated by the 80/10/10 approach, what

this guide really provides is a compilation of massive amounts of data,

taken from the USDA database, organized for very easy access. The

publication consists of laminated pages, in color, that are very easy to

read. It's an excellent reference resource that I've been using for years

(long before it was published). The author is Laurie Masters, editor for

Doug Graham (The 80/10/10 Diet), Cherie Soria (Angel Foods), etc.

 

This publication is also helpful for those interested in learning to

distinguish what a high-fat vs. a low-fat raw diet might look like. Most raw

fooders consume between 50-80% of their calories as fat, vs. about 35% for

the SAD. So even though these RFs appear to be eating healthier, this is

more in terms of what they have stopped eating than in terms of their new

diet. And eventually, they either experience crushing cravings or turn to

stimulants (raw cacao, maca, etc.) But these stimulants kick up the same

fight-or-flight response in the physiology as to other stimulants (coffee,

etc.), and eventually most people who try such an approach either fail or

make serious compromises.

 

The underlying problem is that most nutrients we need are water soluble, not

fat soluble, and are therefore available only in high-water-content foods.

After the age of 6 months or so, we really only need a small amount of fats

.... as long as these are healthful fats. Almost every study published,

except those coming from the Atkins folks and a handful of others, suggests

total fat consumption less than 10% of total calorie consumption. To my

knowledge, Drs. Esselstyn, Ornish, McDougall, etc. all follow such a

recommendation, with minor variances. So this is not just a concerns for raw

fooders, but rather a generalized human nutrition issue.

 

Link: www.GreensongPress.org, includes detailed explanation, screen shots,

etc. FYI, I have no economic interest in this publication.

 

Best to all,

Elchanan

_____

 

rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of

kimchee_20877

Tuesday, January 22, 2008 5:01 AM

rawfood

[Raw Food] Re: Concerning nutrients from raw foods question

 

 

 

<http://geo./serv?s=97359714/grpId=5520395/grpspId=1705015482/msgId

=36524/stime=1201006882/nc1=4025291/nc2=5170418/nc3=5170402> Darlene,

 

Since you mentioned being overwhelmed, I'm a bit remiss to suggest this, but

offhand, the only way I know to find foods that meet such exacting

specifications would be to analyze the USDA's Nutrient Database. I've used

this in the past to look up some facts, and downloaded and played with an

earlier version of the database (SR11, I think ... now they're up to SR20),

since I specialize in databases to earn my bread, so to speak.

 

Here are some links (first, the guide):

 

http://medrat.com/nutrition/pdf/sr_20_documentation_usda_national_nutrie\

nt_database_for_standard_reference.pdf

<http://medrat.com/nutrition/pdf/sr_20_documentation_usda_national_nutri\

ent_database_for_standard_reference.pdf>

 

Here's the link to look up by a food/group:

 

http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/search/

<http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/search/>

 

Here's a way to look up by a single nutrient (a subset, and only provides

back static documents):

 

http://www.ars.usda.gov/Main/docs.htm?docid=15869

<http://www.ars.usda.gov/Main/docs.htm?docid=15869>

 

Since the database is fairly well documented, it would be possible, I think,

to arrive at fairly good approximation to your question of what are the food

choices that would meet those specifications, but it would take some time,

depending on skill level and persistence.

 

Of course, not sure where those specific needs came from, or whether a more

top-down or holistic approach would be more appropriate.

 

- Kimchee

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Elchanan,

This is a great idea! I just ordered my copy of " The 80/10/10

Success Guide. "

I think it will help me tremendously with my 80/10/10 diet!

Lynne

>

> Nice Kimchee, very few people have ever spent much time in the nutrient

> database.

>

> In this regard, there is a wonderful publication available called " The

> 80/10/10 Success Guide " . Although motivated by the 80/10/10 approach, what

> this guide really provides is a compilation of massive amounts of data,

> taken from the USDA database, organized for very easy access. The

> publication consists of laminated pages, in color, that are very easy to

> read. It's an excellent reference resource that I've been using for years

> (long before it was published). The author is Laurie Masters, editor for

> Doug Graham (The 80/10/10 Diet), Cherie Soria (Angel Foods), etc.

>

> This publication is also helpful for those interested in learning to

> distinguish what a high-fat vs. a low-fat raw diet might look like.

> Most raw

> fooders consume between 50-80% of their calories as fat, vs. about 35% for

> the SAD. So even though these RFs appear to be eating healthier, this is

> more in terms of what they have stopped eating than in terms of their new

> diet. And eventually, they either experience crushing cravings or turn to

> stimulants (raw cacao, maca, etc.) But these stimulants kick up the same

> fight-or-flight response in the physiology as to other stimulants (coffee,

> etc.), and eventually most people who try such an approach either fail or

> make serious compromises.

>

> The underlying problem is that most nutrients we need are water

> soluble, not

> fat soluble, and are therefore available only in high-water-content foods.

> After the age of 6 months or so, we really only need a small amount of

> fats

> ... as long as these are healthful fats. Almost every study published,

> except those coming from the Atkins folks and a handful of others,

> suggests

> total fat consumption less than 10% of total calorie consumption. To my

> knowledge, Drs. Esselstyn, Ornish, McDougall, etc. all follow such a

> recommendation, with minor variances. So this is not just a concerns

> for raw

> fooders, but rather a generalized human nutrition issue.

>

> Link: www.GreensongPress.org, includes detailed explanation, screen shots,

> etc. FYI, I have no economic interest in this publication.

>

> Best to all,

> Elchanan

> _____

>

> rawfood <rawfood%40>

> [rawfood <rawfood%40>] On

> Behalf Of

> kimchee_20877

> Tuesday, January 22, 2008 5:01 AM

> rawfood <rawfood%40>

> [Raw Food] Re: Concerning nutrients from raw foods question

>

> <http://geo./serv?s=97359714/grpId=5520395/grpspId=1705015482/msgId

> <http://geo./serv?s=97359714/grpId=5520395/grpspId=1705015482/msgId>

> =36524/stime=1201006882/nc1=4025291/nc2=5170418/nc3=5170402> Darlene,

>

> Since you mentioned being overwhelmed, I'm a bit remiss to suggest

> this, but

> offhand, the only way I know to find foods that meet such exacting

> specifications would be to analyze the USDA's Nutrient Database. I've used

> this in the past to look up some facts, and downloaded and played with an

> earlier version of the database (SR11, I think ... now they're up to

> SR20),

> since I specialize in databases to earn my bread, so to speak.

>

> Here are some links (first, the guide):

>

> http://medrat.com/nutrition/pdf/sr_20_documentation_usda_national_nutrie\

> nt_database_for_standard_reference.pdf

>

<http://medrat.com/nutrition/pdf/sr_20_documentation_usda_national_nutrient_data\

base_for_standard_reference.pdf>

> <http://medrat.com/nutrition/pdf/sr_20_documentation_usda_national_nutri\

> ent_database_for_standard_reference.pdf

>

<http://medrat.com/nutrition/pdf/sr_20_documentation_usda_national_nutrient_data\

base_for_standard_reference.pdf>>

>

>

> Here's the link to look up by a food/group:

>

> http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/search/

> <http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/search/>

> <http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/search/

> <http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/search/>>

>

> Here's a way to look up by a single nutrient (a subset, and only provides

> back static documents):

>

> http://www.ars.usda.gov/Main/docs.htm?docid=15869

> <http://www.ars.usda.gov/Main/docs.htm?docid=15869>

> <http://www.ars.usda.gov/Main/docs.htm?docid=15869

> <http://www.ars.usda.gov/Main/docs.htm?docid=15869>>

>

> Since the database is fairly well documented, it would be possible, I

> think,

> to arrive at fairly good approximation to your question of what are

> the food

> choices that would meet those specifications, but it would take some time,

> depending on skill level and persistence.

>

> Of course, not sure where those specific needs came from, or whether a

> more

> top-down or holistic approach would be more appropriate.

>

> - Kimchee

>

>