Guest guest Posted November 7, 2003 Report Share Posted November 7, 2003 Jill, interesting, thanks! I feel the same way actually, I often think I would be Christian if it wasn't for all the Christians. I actually follow Christ's teachings, he is definetely a teacher for me and I do want to follow his example. But for the most part the whole Christian organization eludes and confuses me, apart from a couple of crazy Christians I have met who seem to be out there at homeless shelters and soup kitchens and holding the hands of the dying, and going to the ghettos, and other similar things only someone as crazy as Christ would do. I call myself a "Christ centered" Unitarian, and attend a Unitarian church. It makes some Christians mad, and they tell me I can't follow part of Christ's teachings and have it all wrong, hellfire. ect. Oh well. Life goes on. I do work with an interfaith organization and have met some nice Christians there, so I am learning that not all of them wish hellfire upon me, lol! But as for Christ, I think like someone said he is an amazing prophet and teacher. If we could all model his love and compassion, and take his message to the streets in an active way, it would be like a giant revolution! There is a great book by a man called John Dear, a Jesuit Priest, called "Jesus the Rebel". It is really radical and he is a really radical Christian, calling us to turn our swords into plowshares, to love our enemies, basically everything that Jesus preaches, only he is saying "Do it! Go be little Jesuses! Go stand in front of the bombers and protest, go to the war zones and stop the wars! Go to the soup kitchens! Go to the hospitals! Go to your enemy and give them a hug!" He's really cool. No matter how far you have gone on the wrong road, turn back. -Turkish proverbFact: Each gallon of gas used by a car contributes almost 20 pounds of carbon dioxide to the atmosphere. A single car driving 1,000 miles a month adds up to 120 tons of CO2 annually. Fact: One crop of hemp grown on one acre of land produces the same amount of pulpable fiber as one acre of 20 year old trees. Protect your identity with Mail AddressGuard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2003 Report Share Posted November 8, 2003 Ummmm.....My husband, myself and my children are all Vegan....and we are all Christians. Suzanne Abortion...the worst form of Child Abuse! MichaelClancy.com Christians believe it is right to eat animals, I've noticed this from the Christians I know. I think it is more important to show compassion in your life for God's fellow creatures than sitting in church every Sunday morning. Being a vegan is doing something positive on a daily basis for life and it isn't just something reserved for a hour long sing-song on a Sunday morning. Janey If the Lord brings you to it....he will bring you through it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2003 Report Share Posted November 8, 2003 In a message dated 11/8/03 8:49:27 AM Pacific Standard Time, janey writes: meat eaters and quote that it says in the Bible you should eat also sez not to... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2003 Report Share Posted November 8, 2003 Christians believe it is right to eat animals, I've noticed this from the Christians I know. I think it is more important to show compassion in your life for God's fellow creatures than sitting in church every Sunday morning. Being a vegan is doing something positive on a daily basis for life and it isn't just something reserved for a hour long sing-song on a Sunday morning. Janey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2003 Report Share Posted November 8, 2003 I think generalisations are unwise. There are Christian vegans and Christian everything else, just the same as any other group. You cannot really tar one whole group with the same brush. I'm a Pagan but some of my best friends are Christian. Jo - veganjaney Saturday, November 08, 2003 2:38 PM Re: Jill Christianity Christians believe it is right to eat animals, I've noticed this from the Christians I know. I think it is more important to show compassion in your life for God's fellow creatures than sitting in church every Sunday morning. Being a vegan is doing something positive on a daily basis for life and it isn't just something reserved for a hour long sing-song on a Sunday morning. Janey To send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2003 Report Share Posted November 8, 2003 I humbly take back what I said then. Good point Jo. I'll rephrase what I said to refer solely to the Christians I know who are big meat eaters and quote that it says in the Bible you should eat meat. Janey x > I think generalisations are unwise. There are Christian vegans and Christian everything else, just the same as any other group. You cannot really tar one whole group with the same brush. I'm a Pagan but some of my best friends are Christian. > > Jo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2003 Report Share Posted November 8, 2003 I didn't say I wasn't a Christian but I apologise if I made a sweeping generalisation. Janey x > Ummmm.....My husband, myself and my children are all Vegan....and we are all > Christians. > > Suzanne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2003 Report Share Posted November 9, 2003 I do think there's been a strong thread in Christianity which opposes animal rights. Back in Genesis, the animals were put on earth to serve the interests of man, generally by dying and being eaten. Although I don't remember the theology, I do know that large numbers of seventh day adventists are vegan. I only know this because they run some good restaurants, and taught a friend of a then girlfriend how to cook a really nice vegan thanksgiving. And there are always people who decide on their own behalf not to eat meat, whether Christian, Muslim, or whatever. Is there a thread of Christian theology which is pro-vegan, outside of the seventh day adventists? veganjaney wrote: > > I humbly take back what I said then. Good point Jo. I'll rephrase > what I said to refer solely to the Christians I know who are big > meat eaters and quote that it says in the Bible you should eat > meat. > > Janey x > > > I think generalisations are unwise. There are Christian vegans > and Christian everything else, just the same as any other group. > You cannot really tar one whole group with the same brush. I'm a > Pagan but some of my best friends are Christian. > > > > Jo > > > To send an email to - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2003 Report Share Posted November 9, 2003 Thats because the SDA'ists I've met actually read what it says in the beginning of Genesis, which says clearly what we and animals should eat. ---- Original Message ----- " Ian McDonald " <ian Sunday, November 09, 2003 10:30 AM Re: Re: Jill Christianity > I do think there's been a strong thread in Christianity which opposes > animal rights. Back in Genesis, the animals were put on earth to serve > the interests of man, generally by dying and being eaten. > > Although I don't remember the theology, I do know that large numbers of > seventh day adventists are vegan. I only know this because they run some > good restaurants, and taught a friend of a then girlfriend how to cook a > really nice vegan thanksgiving. > > And there are always people who decide on their own behalf not to eat > meat, whether Christian, Muslim, or whatever. > > Is there a thread of Christian theology which is pro-vegan, outside of > the seventh day adventists? > > veganjaney wrote: > > > > I humbly take back what I said then. Good point Jo. I'll rephrase > > what I said to refer solely to the Christians I know who are big > > meat eaters and quote that it says in the Bible you should eat > > meat. > > > > Janey x > > > > > I think generalisations are unwise. There are Christian vegans > > and Christian everything else, just the same as any other group. > > You cannot really tar one whole group with the same brush. I'm a > > Pagan but some of my best friends are Christian. > > > > > > Jo > > > > > > To send an email to - > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2003 Report Share Posted November 9, 2003 and anyway............we can all decide for ourselves what to eat or what not too eat, as adults we have what is called free will catherine >EBbrewpunx > > >Re: Re: Jill Christianity >Sat, 8 Nov 2003 11:56:54 EST > >In a message dated 11/8/03 8:49:27 AM Pacific Standard Time, >janey writes: > > meat eaters and quote that it says in the Bible you should eat >also sez not to... Get a free connection, half-price modem and one month FREE, when you sign up for BT Broadband today! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2003 Report Share Posted November 9, 2003 >EBbrewpunx > > >Re: Re: Jill Christianity >Sat, 8 Nov 2003 11:56:54 EST > >In a message dated 11/8/03 8:49:27 AM Pacific Standard Time, >janey writes: > > meat eaters and quote that it says in the Bible you should eat . I'm sure It doesn't mean that we ' ought ' to eat meat, as it could be interperted to mean.... by using the word 'should'...As that would totally go against the original story plan. Get a free connection, half-price modem and one month FREE, when you sign up for BT Broadband today! To send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2003 Report Share Posted November 9, 2003 You know you get that feeling when you wish you hadn't got involved in a discussion - well, I've got that feeling now. I don't wish my comments to be discussed upon further. Religions, politics etc - I should know better than to get involved in subjects like these which no one ever agrees on! Janey > > I'm sure It doesn't mean that we ' ought ' to eat meat, as it could be interperted to mean.... by using the word 'should'...As that would totally go against the original story plan. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2003 Report Share Posted November 9, 2003 Hi.. I agree if there is no change for the better from a discussion..then whats the point of discussing? Having said that..if someone has a point to make which they think is of help..then it has to be said whether a person likes it or not...( respectfully) I'm sure every vegan here agrees that animals shouldn't be harmed and eaten. And that as least harm should be done to every creature on earth ( or on any other planet..come to that)... ... As hard as it may be..Religion and Politics has to be discussed (at sometime anway) if things are going to change.....as well as respecting those who don't want to discuss them ... .of course. Original Message ----- " veganjaney " <janey Sunday, November 09, 2003 7:18 PM Re: Jill Christianity > You know you get that feeling when you wish you hadn't got involved > in a discussion - well, I've got that feeling now. I don't wish my > comments to be discussed upon further. Religions, politics etc - I > should know better than to get involved in subjects like these which > no one ever agrees on! Janey > > > > > I'm sure It doesn't mean that we ' ought ' to eat meat, as it > could be interperted to mean.... by using the word 'should'...As > that would totally go against the original story plan. > > > > > > > To send an email to - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2003 Report Share Posted November 9, 2003 Thanks Simon. Janey x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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