Guest guest Posted January 2, 2004 Report Share Posted January 2, 2004 Hi everyone. I am having a hard night. Usually I am pretty tolerant of the world and it's meat eating ways...and I can eat with other meat eaters..but tonight I just couldn't handle it. Tonight my sister, for her birthday, decided to go not only to an Italian restaurant..but an Italian restaurant that is incredibly expensive AND serves VEAL. I was sitting next to one judgmental sister...and guess what she ordered? RACK OF LAMB. I was so disgusted. How can anyone eat a lamb? How can they enjoy eating that precious little soul? And don't they know the karmic effects of this...and there are. She will feel them at some point. There are other stressors that were making it hard tonight...the noise of the party...the fact that I could no longer share these stresses with my bf (we had broken up). But still...I keep think RACK OF LAMB! Disgusting! I told my birthday sister it was too much and left before ordering...I just couldn't take it anymore. It was just too much imagining all those poor animals slaughtered just so they can have a speciality dinner. Thanks for allowing me to vent...I truly felt alone in these feelings at the restaurant and wanted to share with those who will probably understand. Kristina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2004 Report Share Posted January 3, 2004 Hey Kristina, big hugs. Lamb - I can't imagine eating that. People are pigs, literally. No, worse than pigs. Pigs are nice, I understand. It's very difficult when it's family, too. hugs hugs EM lv2breathe wrote: Hi everyone.I am having a hard night. Usually I am pretty tolerant of the world and it's meat eating ways...and I can eat with other meat eaters..but tonight I just couldn't handle it.Tonight my sister, for her birthday, decided to go not only to an Italian restaurant..but an Italian restaurant that is incredibly expensive AND serves VEAL. I was sitting next to one judgmental sister...and guess what she ordered? RACK OF LAMB. I was so disgusted. How can anyone eat a lamb? How can they enjoy eating that precious little soul? And don't they know the karmic effects of this...and there are. She will feel them at some point.There are other stressors that were making it hard tonight...the noise of the party...the fact that I could no longer share these stresses with my bf (we had broken up). But still...I keep think RACK OF LAMB! Disgusting! I told my birthday sister it was too much and left before ordering...I just couldn't take it anymore. It was just too much imagining all those poor animals slaughtered just so they can have a speciality dinner.Thanks for allowing me to vent...I truly felt alone in these feelings at the restaurant and wanted to share with those who will probably understand.Kristina To send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2004 Report Share Posted January 3, 2004 Hello, I hope you are feeling better now. Maybe you could see this as a learnng experience teaching you about what you cannot handle. Perhaps in future you could decide not to attend events in meat resturants. Or as you said, that night you just couldnt handle it. , lv2breathe@a... wrote: > Hi everyone. > > I am having a hard night. > > Usually I am pretty tolerant of the world and it's meat eating ways...and I > can eat with other meat eaters..but tonight I just couldn't handle it. > > Tonight my sister, for her birthday, decided to go not only to an Italian > restaurant..but an Italian restaurant that is incredibly expensive AND serves > VEAL. > > I was sitting next to one judgmental sister...and guess what she ordered? > RACK OF LAMB. I was so disgusted. How can anyone eat a lamb? How can they > enjoy eating that precious little soul? And don't they know the karmic effects > of this...and there are. She will feel them at some point. > > There are other stressors that were making it hard tonight...the noise of the > party...the fact that I could no longer share these stresses with my bf (we > had broken up). But still...I keep think RACK OF LAMB! Disgusting! I told > my birthday sister it was too much and left before ordering...I just couldn't > take it anymore. It was just too much imagining all those poor animals > slaughtered just so they can have a speciality dinner. > > Thanks for allowing me to vent...I truly felt alone in these feelings at the > restaurant and wanted to share with those who will probably understand. > > Kristina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2004 Report Share Posted January 3, 2004 hi kristina totally feel for you ......its so lonely and discouraging when the vibes from meat eaters make us feel like we are wrong.......... strength and courage catherine >lv2breathe > > >CC: Lv2breathe > Feeling sensitive tonight >Fri, 2 Jan 2004 23:55:54 EST > >Hi everyone. > >I am having a hard night. > >Usually I am pretty tolerant of the world and it's meat eating ways...and I >can eat with other meat eaters..but tonight I just couldn't handle it. > >Tonight my sister, for her birthday, decided to go not only to an Italian >restaurant..but an Italian restaurant that is incredibly expensive AND serves >VEAL. > >I was sitting next to one judgmental sister...and guess what she ordered? >RACK OF LAMB. I was so disgusted. How can anyone eat a lamb? How can they >enjoy eating that precious little soul? And don't they know the karmic effects >of this...and there are. She will feel them at some point. > >There are other stressors that were making it hard tonight...the noise of the >party...the fact that I could no longer share these stresses with my bf (we >had broken up). But still...I keep think RACK OF LAMB! Disgusting! I told >my birthday sister it was too much and left before ordering...I just couldn't >take it anymore. It was just too much imagining all those poor animals >slaughtered just so they can have a speciality dinner. > >Thanks for allowing me to vent...I truly felt alone in these feelings at the >restaurant and wanted to share with those who will probably understand. > >Kristina Reduce spam in your inbox with MSN 8's intelligent junk e-mail filters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2004 Report Share Posted January 3, 2004 well hope you feel better.. things happen, we live in a crappy world it seems at times, and its hard at times to hold yer feelings back me..i'm havin a feisty morning yellin at the world wheeee! cheers fraggle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2004 Report Share Posted January 3, 2004 - Jo Kebbell Saturday, January 03, 2004 11:41 AM Re: Feeling sensitive tonight Hi Kristina I'm sorry to hear of your upset. It can be upsetting to eat with meat-eaters. I always try to ignore what they are eating. I feel that you are possibly more sensitive at present, having split with your boyfriend, and the rack of lamb was the last straw. I hope your happiness returns quickly, and that you enjoy your next meal out. Jo - lv2breathe Cc: Lv2breathe Saturday, January 03, 2004 4:55 AM Feeling sensitive tonight Hi everyone.I am having a hard night. Usually I am pretty tolerant of the world and it's meat eating ways...and I can eat with other meat eaters..but tonight I just couldn't handle it.Tonight my sister, for her birthday, decided to go not only to an Italian restaurant..but an Italian restaurant that is incredibly expensive AND serves VEAL. I was sitting next to one judgmental sister...and guess what she ordered? RACK OF LAMB. I was so disgusted. How can anyone eat a lamb? How can they enjoy eating that precious little soul? And don't they know the karmic effects of this...and there are. She will feel them at some point.There are other stressors that were making it hard tonight...the noise of the party...the fact that I could no longer share these stresses with my bf (we had broken up). But still...I keep think RACK OF LAMB! Disgusting! I told my birthday sister it was too much and left before ordering...I just couldn't take it anymore. It was just too much imagining all those poor animals slaughtered just so they can have a speciality dinner.Thanks for allowing me to vent...I truly felt alone in these feelings at the restaurant and wanted to share with those who will probably understand.Kristina To send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2004 Report Share Posted January 3, 2004 my best friend loves to eat rare cooked steak all the time...we are still best friends, but she keeps saying that she wishes i wasn't vegan and that i'd go back to eating meat...the other day when i left her house her brother yelled after me " eat a hamburger! " i actually was able to talk her, my boyfriend, and another friend into going to this great vegan restaurant closeby and they all liked it, but it's really hard to go out to eat cuz that is the only place i will go to since i am sure that it is vegan. whenever we go to another restaurant i feel so bothersome when i ask if there is any dairy or eggs in what i'm ordering, and nothing i get is even close to being as tasty as what i get at the vegan place i go to. i feel really disgusted though when my friends outnumber me and want to go somewhere else. we went to this italian place a week or two ago and it had like 4 veal dishes! i was disgusted. the friends i was w/, none of them ordered veal or lamb, but they also didn't sympothize at all when i pointed out all the veal. and i felt so uncomfortable watching them eat. they were just pigging out and not even caring about the suffering that went on only to rot in their bodies for days. my boyfriend has gone out w/ me to eat vegan at least 4 times, and i think that italian place was the only time we went to a place he wanted to go, but i really truly hated it. a few days ago he asked if i wanted to go out to eat and i said yes, and he was like " any place but 'the sunflower!' " (the vegan place) so i was like...nevermind i've actually decided, and i guess this could be a new year's resolution, i'm not going out to eat anymore unless it is a vegetarian or vegan restaurant. cuz even if i get something vegan, i can't enjoy my food watching all the involvement of suffering going on around me. i want no part in it. >lv2breathe > > >CC: Lv2breathe > Feeling sensitive tonight >Fri, 2 Jan 2004 23:55:54 EST > >Hi everyone. > >I am having a hard night. > >Usually I am pretty tolerant of the world and it's meat eating ways...and I >can eat with other meat eaters..but tonight I just couldn't handle it. > >Tonight my sister, for her birthday, decided to go not only to an Italian >restaurant..but an Italian restaurant that is incredibly expensive AND >serves >VEAL. > >I was sitting next to one judgmental sister...and guess what she ordered? >RACK OF LAMB. I was so disgusted. How can anyone eat a lamb? How can >they >enjoy eating that precious little soul? And don't they know the karmic >effects >of this...and there are. She will feel them at some point. > >There are other stressors that were making it hard tonight...the noise of >the >party...the fact that I could no longer share these stresses with my bf >(we >had broken up). But still...I keep think RACK OF LAMB! Disgusting! I >told >my birthday sister it was too much and left before ordering...I just >couldn't >take it anymore. It was just too much imagining all those poor animals >slaughtered just so they can have a speciality dinner. > >Thanks for allowing me to vent...I truly felt alone in these feelings at >the >restaurant and wanted to share with those who will probably understand. > >Kristina _______________ Make your home warm and cozy this winter with tips from MSN House & Home. http://special.msn.com/home/warmhome.armx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2004 Report Share Posted January 5, 2004 Normally I'm able to just ignore what people are eating around me... Last night though, my sister gave my niece (her daughter) a CHICKEN BONE to " gnaw " on. My niece is about 7 1/2 months old and has just started on solid food. And to keep her happy they clean off a chicken bone for her to hold and suck on?!? I was really disgusted. It's hard to speak up though because I know my family. They'll either think that I'm overreacting or that I am trying to preach to my sister an brother-in-law. So I just keep my mouth shut. It kills me to see what they feed my niece and nephew though. My nephew is 3 and has never been a meat eater. He always always always eats all his veggies though. It's horrible to see how they make him eat his meat to get dessert... It was funny - one night I was over for dinner and they had cheeseburgers. They put ketchup on my nephew's but it didn't fool him, he still knew it was meat and that he didn't want it. So my sister, thinking she was being smart, told him to eat his ketchup. He said " OK, mommy! " and proceeded to scrape off the ketchup and eat it plain... lol. Find out what made the Top Searches of 2003 http://search./top2003 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2004 Report Share Posted January 5, 2004 When your friends say they wish you eat meat, say you wish they didn't eat meat! I also find that it is much nicer to eat at veggie restaurants - there is so much more choice, and the food is usually delicious - I think they really care about the quality of the food in veggie places. Jo > my best friend loves to eat rare cooked steak all the time...we are still > best friends, but she keeps saying that she wishes i wasn't vegan and that > i'd go back to eating meat...the other day when i left her house her brother > yelled after me " eat a hamburger! " i actually was able to talk her, my > boyfriend, and another friend into going to this great vegan restaurant > closeby and they all liked it, but it's really hard to go out to eat cuz > that is the only place i will go to since i am sure that it is vegan. > whenever we go to another restaurant i feel so bothersome when i ask if > there is any dairy or eggs in what i'm ordering, and nothing i get is even > close to being as tasty as what i get at the vegan place i go to. i feel > really disgusted though when my friends outnumber me and want to go > somewhere else. we went to this italian place a week or two ago and it had > like 4 veal dishes! i was disgusted. the friends i was w/, none of them > ordered veal or lamb, but they also didn't sympothize at all when i pointed > out all the veal. and i felt so uncomfortable watching them eat. they were > just pigging out and not even caring about the suffering that went on only > to rot in their bodies for days. my boyfriend has gone out w/ me to eat > vegan at least 4 times, and i think that italian place was the only time we > went to a place he wanted to go, but i really truly hated it. a few days ago > he asked if i wanted to go out to eat and i said yes, and he was like " any > place but 'the sunflower!' " (the vegan place) so i was like...nevermind > > i've actually decided, and i guess this could be a new year's resolution, > i'm not going out to eat anymore unless it is a vegetarian or vegan > restaurant. cuz even if i get something vegan, i can't enjoy my food > watching all the involvement of suffering going on around me. i want no part > in it. > > >lv2breathe > > > > > >CC: Lv2breathe > > Feeling sensitive tonight > >Fri, 2 Jan 2004 23:55:54 EST > > > >Hi everyone. > > > >I am having a hard night. > > > >Usually I am pretty tolerant of the world and it's meat eating ways...and I > >can eat with other meat eaters..but tonight I just couldn't handle it. > > > >Tonight my sister, for her birthday, decided to go not only to an Italian > >restaurant..but an Italian restaurant that is incredibly expensive AND > >serves > >VEAL. > > > >I was sitting next to one judgmental sister...and guess what she ordered? > >RACK OF LAMB. I was so disgusted. How can anyone eat a lamb? How can > >they > >enjoy eating that precious little soul? And don't they know the karmic > >effects > >of this...and there are. She will feel them at some point. > > > >There are other stressors that were making it hard tonight...the noise of > >the > >party...the fact that I could no longer share these stresses with my bf > >(we > >had broken up). But still...I keep think RACK OF LAMB! Disgusting! I > >told > >my birthday sister it was too much and left before ordering...I just > >couldn't > >take it anymore. It was just too much imagining all those poor animals > >slaughtered just so they can have a speciality dinner. > > > >Thanks for allowing me to vent...I truly felt alone in these feelings at > >the > >restaurant and wanted to share with those who will probably understand. > > > >Kristina > > _______________ > Make your home warm and cozy this winter with tips from MSN House & Home. > http://special.msn.com/home/warmhome.armx > > > > To send an email to - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2004 Report Share Posted January 5, 2004 Likewise if you pre order vegan meals on airplane flights and social functions, you'll get better food. Every time. Everyone else will want yours -- Heartwork <Heartwork wrote: When your friends say they wish you eat meat, say you wish they didn't eatmeat! I also find that it is much nicer to eat at veggie restaurants -there is so much more choice, and the food is usually delicious - I thinkthey really care about the quality of the food in veggie places.Jo> my best friend loves to eat rare cooked steak all the time...we are still> best friends, but she keeps saying that she wishes i wasn't vegan and that> i'd go back to eating meat...the other day when i left her house herbrother> yelled after me "eat a hamburger!" i actually was able to talk her, my> boyfriend, and another friend into going to this great vegan restaurant> closeby and they all liked it, but it's really hard to go out to eat cuz> that is the only place i will go to since i am sure that it is vegan.> whenever we go to another restaurant i feel so bothersome when i ask if> there is any dairy or eggs in what i'm ordering, and nothing i get is even> close to being as tasty as what i get at the vegan place i go to. i feel> really disgusted though when my friends outnumber me and want to go> somewhere else. we went to this italian place a week or two ago and it had> like 4 veal dishes! i was disgusted. the friends i was w/, none of them> ordered veal or lamb, but they also didn't sympothize at all when ipointed> out all the veal. and i felt so uncomfortable watching them eat. they were> just pigging out and not even caring about the suffering that went on only> to rot in their bodies for days. my boyfriend has gone out w/ me to eat> vegan at least 4 times, and i think that italian place was the only timewe> went to a place he wanted to go, but i really truly hated it. a few daysago> he asked if i wanted to go out to eat and i said yes, and he was like "any> place but 'the sunflower!'" (the vegan place) so i was like...nevermind>> i've actually decided, and i guess this could be a new year's resolution,> i'm not going out to eat anymore unless it is a vegetarian or vegan> restaurant. cuz even if i get something vegan, i can't enjoy my food> watching all the involvement of suffering going on around me. i want nopart> in it.>> >lv2breathe > > > > >CC: Lv2breathe > Feeling sensitive tonight> >Fri, 2 Jan 2004 23:55:54 EST> >> >Hi everyone.> >> >I am having a hard night.> >> >Usually I am pretty tolerant of the world and it's meat eating ways...andI> >can eat with other meat eaters..but tonight I just couldn't handle it.> >> >Tonight my sister, for her birthday, decided to go not only to an Italian> >restaurant..but an Italian restaurant that is incredibly expensive AND> >serves> >VEAL.> >> >I was sitting next to one judgmental sister...and guess what she ordered?> >RACK OF LAMB. I was so disgusted. How can anyone eat a lamb? How can> >they> >enjoy eating that precious little soul? And don't they know the karmic> >effects> >of this...and there are. She will feel them at some point.> >> >There are other stressors that were making it hard tonight...the noise of> >the> >party...the fact that I could no longer share these stresses with my bf> >(we> >had broken up). But still...I keep think RACK OF LAMB! Disgusting! I> >told> >my birthday sister it was too much and left before ordering...I just> >couldn't> >take it anymore. It was just too much imagining all those poor animals> >slaughtered just so they can have a speciality dinner.> >> >Thanks for allowing me to vent...I truly felt alone in these feelings at> >the> >restaurant and wanted to share with those who will probably understand.> >> >Kristina>> _______________> Make your home warm and cozy this winter with tips from MSN House & Home.> http://special.msn.com/home/warmhome.armx>>>> To send an email to - >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2004 Report Share Posted January 5, 2004 hi all i went thru this last year and decided it was best for me if i didnt eat out.......if i want to eat with a friend or relative, i cook at home.......yes i wish i could go out but i dont want to pay for a plate of chips whilst everyone else tucks in...... on a personal level.......i am getting tired and kinda upset that nearly every conversation with my mother has started coming around (again) to why am i a vegan, or she has read something about it.....my aunt (see email i did after christmas) has got to her, that i am being outrageous stupid and off my head by not being like everyone else......... catherine >"Blue Ferret" > > >RE: Feeling sensitive tonight >Sat, 03 Jan 2004 13:03:58 -0500 > > >my best friend loves to eat rare cooked steak all the time...we are still >best friends, but she keeps saying that she wishes i wasn't vegan and that >i'd go back to eating meat...the other day when i left her house her brother >yelled after me "eat a hamburger!" i actually was able to talk her, my >boyfriend, and another friend into going to this great vegan restaurant >closeby and they all liked it, but it's really hard to go out to eat cuz >that is the only place i will go to since i am sure that it is vegan. >whenever we go to another restaurant i feel so bothersome when i ask if >there is any dairy or eggs in what i'm ordering, and nothing i get is even >close to being as tasty as what i get at the vegan place i go to. i feel >really disgusted though when my friends outnumber me and want to go >somewhere else. we went to this italian place a week or two ago and it had >like 4 veal dishes! i was disgusted. the friends i was w/, none of them >ordered veal or lamb, but they also didn't sympothize at all when i pointed >out all the veal. and i felt so uncomfortable watching them eat. they were >just pigging out and not even caring about the suffering that went on only >to rot in their bodies for days. my boyfriend has gone out w/ me to eat >vegan at least 4 times, and i think that italian place was the only time we >went to a place he wanted to go, but i really truly hated it. a few days ago >he asked if i wanted to go out to eat and i said yes, and he was like "any >place but 'the sunflower!'" (the vegan place) so i was like...nevermind > >i've actually decided, and i guess this could be a new year's resolution, >i'm not going out to eat anymore unless it is a vegetarian or vegan >restaurant. cuz even if i get something vegan, i can't enjoy my food >watching all the involvement of suffering going on around me. i want no part >in it. > > >lv2breathe > > > > > >CC: Lv2breathe > > Feeling sensitive tonight > >Fri, 2 Jan 2004 23:55:54 EST > > > >Hi everyone. > > > >I am having a hard night. > > > >Usually I am pretty tolerant of the world and it's meat eating ways...and I > >can eat with other meat eaters..but tonight I just couldn't handle it. > > > >Tonight my sister, for her birthday, decided to go not only to an Italian > >restaurant..but an Italian restaurant that is incredibly expensive AND > >serves > >VEAL. > > > >I was sitting next to one judgmental sister...and guess what she ordered? > >RACK OF LAMB. I was so disgusted. How can anyone eat a lamb? How can > >they > >enjoy eating that precious little soul? And don't they know the karmic > >effects > >of this...and there are. She will feel them at some point. > > > >There are other stressors that were making it hard tonight...the noise of > >the > >party...the fact that I could no longer share these stresses with my bf > >(we > >had broken up). But still...I keep think RACK OF LAMB! Disgusting! I > >told > >my birthday sister it was too much and left before ordering...I just > >couldn't > >take it anymore. It was just too much imagining all those poor animals > >slaughtered just so they can have a speciality dinner. > > > >Thanks for allowing me to vent...I truly felt alone in these feelings at > >the > >restaurant and wanted to share with those who will probably understand. > > > >Kristina > >_______________ >Make your home warm and cozy this winter with tips from MSN House & Home. >http://special.msn.com/home/warmhome.armx > > Send more interesting e-mails - personalise them with graphics, photos and stationery when you sign up for MSN 8. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2004 Report Share Posted January 5, 2004 Catherine: tell them to leave you alone or you'll slap them around. [JK]Catherine Harris <cait2 wrote: hi all i went thru this last year and decided it was best for me if i didnt eat out.......if i want to eat with a friend or relative, i cook at home.......yes i wish i could go out but i dont want to pay for a plate of chips whilst everyone else tucks in...... on a personal level.......i am getting tired and kinda upset that nearly every conversation with my mother has started coming around (again) to why am i a vegan, or she has read something about it.....my aunt (see email i did after christmas) has got to her, that i am being outrageous stupid and off my head by not being like everyone else......... catherine >"Blue Ferret" > > >RE: Feeling sensitive tonight >Sat, 03 Jan 2004 13:03:58 -0500 > > >my best friend loves to eat rare cooked steak all the time...we are still >best friends, but she keeps saying that she wishes i wasn't vegan and that >i'd go back to eating meat...the other day when i left her house her brother >yelled after me "eat a hamburger!" i actually was able to talk her, my >boyfriend, and another friend into going to this great vegan restaurant >closeby and they all liked it, but it's really hard to go out to eat cuz >that is the only place i will go to since i am sure that it is vegan. >whenever we go to another restaurant i feel so bothersome when i ask if >there is any dairy or eggs in what i'm ordering, and nothing i get is even >close to being as tasty as what i get at the vegan place i go to. i feel >really disgusted though when my friends outnumber me and want to go >somewhere else. we went to this italian place a week or two ago and it had >like 4 veal dishes! i was disgusted. the friends i was w/, none of them >ordered veal or lamb, but they also didn't sympothize at all when i pointed >out all the veal. and i felt so uncomfortable watching them eat. they were >just pigging out and not even caring about the suffering that went on only >to rot in their bodies for days. my boyfriend has gone out w/ me to eat >vegan at least 4 times, and i think that italian place was the only time we >went to a place he wanted to go, but i really truly hated it. a few days ago >he asked if i wanted to go out to eat and i said yes, and he was like "any >place but 'the sunflower!'" (the vegan place) so i was like...nevermind > >i've actually decided, and i guess this could be a new year's resolution, >i'm not going out to eat anymore unless it is a vegetarian or vegan >restaurant. cuz even if i get something vegan, i can't enjoy my food >watching all the involvement of suffering going on around me. i want no part >in it. > > >lv2breathe > > > > > >CC: Lv2breathe > > Feeling sensitive tonight > >Fri, 2 Jan 2004 23:55:54 EST > > > >Hi everyone. > > > >I am having a hard night. > > > >Usually I am pretty tolerant of the world and it's meat eating ways...and I > >can eat with other meat eaters..but tonight I just couldn't handle it. > > > >Tonight my sister, for her birthday, decided to go not only to an Italian > >restaurant..but an Italian restaurant that is incredibly expensive AND > >serves > >VEAL. > > > >I was sitting next to one judgmental sister...and guess what she ordered? > >RACK OF LAMB. I was so disgusted. How can anyone eat a lamb? How can > >they > >enjoy eating that precious little soul? And don't they know the karmic > >effects > >of this...and there are. She will feel them at some point. > > > >There are other stressors that were making it hard tonight...the noise of > >the > >party...the fact that I could no longer share these stresses with my bf > >(we > >had broken up). But still...I keep think RACK OF LAMB! Disgusting! I > >told > >my birthday sister it was too much and left before ordering...I just > >couldn't > >take it anymore. It was just too much imagining all those poor animals > >slaughtered just so they can have a speciality dinner. > > > >Thanks for allowing me to vent...I truly felt alone in these feelings at > >the > >restaurant and wanted to share with those who will probably understand. > > > >Kristina > >_______________ >Make your home warm and cozy this winter with tips from MSN House & Home. >http://special.msn.com/home/warmhome.armx > > Send more interesting e-mails - personalise them with graphics, photos and stationery when you sign up for MSN 8. To send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2004 Report Share Posted January 5, 2004 JK thank you perhaps i should make my yoga slef defense yoga and hit them with my mat!!!!! catherine >Sun Music > > >RE: Feeling sensitive tonight >Mon, 5 Jan 2004 14:34:49 -0800 (PST) > >Catherine: tell them to leave you alone or you'll slap them around. [JK] > >Catherine Harris wrote: >hi all > >i went thru this last year and decided it was best for me if i didnt eat out.......if i want to eat with a friend or relative, i cook at home.......yes i wish i could go out but i dont want to pay for a plate of chips whilst everyone else tucks in...... > >on a personal level.......i am getting tired and kinda upset that nearly every conversation with my mother has started coming around (again) to why am i a vegan, or she has read something about it.....my aunt (see email i did after christmas) has got to her, that i am being outrageous stupid and off my head by not being like everyone else......... > >catherine > > > > > >"Blue Ferret" > > > > > >RE: Feeling sensitive tonight > >Sat, 03 Jan 2004 13:03:58 -0500 > > > > > >my best friend loves to eat rare cooked steak all the time...we are still > >best friends, but she keeps saying that she wishes i wasn't vegan and that > >i'd go back to eating meat...the other day when i left her house her brother > >yelled after me "eat a hamburger!" i actually was able to talk her, my > >boyfriend, and another friend into going to this great vegan restaurant > >closeby and they all liked it, but it's really hard to go out to eat cuz > >that is the only place i will go to since i am sure that it is vegan. > >whenever we go to another restaurant i feel so bothersome when i ask if > >there is any dairy or eggs in what i'm ordering, and nothing i get is even > >close to being as tasty as what i get at the vegan place i go to. i feel > >really disgusted though when my friends outnumber me and want to go > >somewhere else. we went to this italian place a week or two ago and it had > >like 4 veal dishes! i was disgusted. the friends i was w/, none of them > >ordered veal or lamb, but they also didn't sympothize at all when i pointed > >out all the veal. and i felt so uncomfortable watching them eat. they were > >just pigging out and not even caring about the suffering that went on only > >to rot in their bodies for days. my boyfriend has gone out w/ me to eat > >vegan at least 4 times, and i think that italian place was the only time we > >went to a place he wanted to go, but i really truly hated it. a few days ago > >he asked if i wanted to go out to eat and i said yes, and he was like "any > >place but 'the sunflower!'" (the vegan place) so i was like...nevermind > > > >i've actually decided, and i guess this could be a new year's resolution, > >i'm not going out to eat anymore unless it is a vegetarian or vegan > >restaurant. cuz even if i get something vegan, i can't enjoy my food > >watching all the involvement of suffering going on around me. i want no part > >in it. > > > > >lv2breathe > > > > > > > > >CC: Lv2breathe > > > Feeling sensitive tonight > > >Fri, 2 Jan 2004 23:55:54 EST > > > > > >Hi everyone. > > > > > >I am having a hard night. > > > > > >Usually I am pretty tolerant of the world and it's meat eating ways...and I > > >can eat with other meat eaters..but tonight I just couldn't handle it. > > > > > >Tonight my sister, for her birthday, decided to go not only to an Italian > > >restaurant..but an Italian restaurant that is incredibly expensive AND > > >serves > > >VEAL. > > > > > >I was sitting next to one judgmental sister...and guess what she ordered? > > >RACK OF LAMB. I was so disgusted. How can anyone eat a lamb? How can > > >they > > >enjoy eating that precious little soul? And don't they know the karmic > > >effects > > >of this...and there are. She will feel them at some point. > > > > > >There are other stressors that were making it hard tonight...the noise of > > >the > > >party...the fact that I could no longer share these stresses with my bf > > >(we > > >had broken up). But still...I keep think RACK OF LAMB! Disgusting! I > > >told > > >my birthday sister it was too much and left before ordering...I just > > >couldn't > > >take it anymore. It was just too much imagining all those poor animals > > >slaughtered just so they can have a speciality dinner. > > > > > >Thanks for allowing me to vent...I truly felt alone in these feelings at > > >the > > >restaurant and wanted to share with those who will probably understand. > > > > > >Kristina > > > >_______________ > >Make your home warm and cozy this winter with tips from MSN House & Home. > >http://special.msn.com/home/warmhome.armx > > > > > > > > >Send more interesting e-mails - personalise them with graphics, photos and stationery when you sign up for MSN 8. > >To send an email to - > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2004 Report Share Posted January 5, 2004 JK = "Just Kidding" But yeah, I think it's okay to be a tiny big counter-aggressive to protect your own health and something as precious as the life of the planet, human beings, and animals. Just a tad.... Catherine Harris <cait2 wrote: JK thank you perhaps i should make my yoga slef defense yoga and hit them with my mat!!!!! catherine >Sun Music > > >RE: Feeling sensitive tonight >Mon, 5 Jan 2004 14:34:49 -0800 (PST) > >Catherine: tell them to leave you alone or you'll slap them around. [JK] > >Catherine Harris wrote: >hi all > >i went thru this last year and decided it was best for me if i didnt eat out.......if i want to eat with a friend or relative, i cook at home.......yes i wish i could go out but i dont want to pay for a plate of chips whilst everyone else tucks in...... > >on a personal level.......i am getting tired and kinda upset that nearly every conversation with my mother has started coming around (again) to why am i a vegan, or she has read something about it.....my aunt (see email i did after christmas) has got to her, that i am being outrageous stupid and off my head by not being like everyone else......... > >catherine > > > > > >"Blue Ferret" > > > > > >RE: Feeling sensitive tonight > >Sat, 03 Jan 2004 13:03:58 -0500 > > > > > >my best friend loves to eat rare cooked steak all the time...we are still > >best friends, but she keeps saying that she wishes i wasn't vegan and that > >i'd go back to eating meat...the other day when i left her house her brother > >yelled after me "eat a hamburger!" i actually was able to talk her, my > >boyfriend, and another friend into going to this great vegan restaurant > >closeby and they all liked it, but it's really hard to go out to eat cuz > >that is the only place i will go to since i am sure that it is vegan. > >whenever we go to another restaurant i feel so bothersome when i ask if > >there is any dairy or eggs in what i'm ordering, and nothing i get is even > >close to being as tasty as what i get at the vegan place i go to. i feel > >really disgusted though when my friends outnumber me and want to go > >somewhere else. we went to this italian place a week or two ago and it had > >like 4 veal dishes! i was disgusted. the friends i was w/, none of them > >ordered veal or lamb, but they also didn't sympothize at all when i pointed > >out all the veal. and i felt so uncomfortable watching them eat. they were > >just pigging out and not even caring about the suffering that went on only > >to rot in their bodies for days. my boyfriend has gone out w/ me to eat > >vegan at least 4 times, and i think that italian place was the only time we > >went to a place he wanted to go, but i really truly hated it. a few days ago > >he asked if i wanted to go out to eat and i said yes, and he was like "any > >place but 'the sunflower!'" (the vegan place) so i was like...nevermind > > > >i've actually decided, and i guess this could be a new year's resolution, > >i'm not going out to eat anymore unless it is a vegetarian or vegan > >restaurant. cuz even if i get something vegan, i can't enjoy my food > >watching all the involvement of suffering going on around me. i want no part > >in it. > > > > >lv2breathe > > > > > > > > >CC: Lv2breathe > > > Feeling sensitive tonight > > >Fri, 2 Jan 2004 23:55:54 EST > > > > > >Hi everyone. > > > > > >I am having a hard night. > > > > > >Usually I am pretty tolerant of the world and it's meat eating ways...and I > > >can eat with other meat eaters..but tonight I just couldn't handle it. > > > > > >Tonight my sister, for her birthday, decided to go not only to an Italian > > >restaurant..but an Italian restaurant that is incredibly expensive AND > > >serves > > >VEAL. > > > > > >I was sitting next to one judgmental sister...and guess what she ordered? > > >RACK OF LAMB. I was so disgusted. How can anyone eat a lamb? How can > > >they > > >enjoy eating that precious little soul? And don't they know the karmic > > >effects > > >of this...and there are. She will feel them at some point. > > > > > >There are other stressors that were making it hard tonight...the noise of > > >the > > >party...the fact that I could no longer share these stresses with my bf > > >(we > > >had broken up). But still...I keep think RACK OF LAMB! Disgusting! I > > >told > > >my birthday sister it was too much and left before ordering...I just > > >couldn't > > >take it anymore. It was just too much imagining all those poor animals > > >slaughtered just so they can have a speciality dinner. > > > > > >Thanks for allowing me to vent...I truly felt alone in these feelings at > > >the > > >restaurant and wanted to share with those who will probably understand. > > > > > >Kristina > > > >_______________ > >Make your home warm and cozy this winter with tips from MSN House & Home. > >http://special.msn.com/home/warmhome.armx > > > > > > > > >Send more interesting e-mails - personalise them with graphics, photos and stationery when you sign up for MSN 8. > >To send an email to - > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2004 Report Share Posted January 6, 2004 sadly..there are no easy answers...and no blanket answers as well as each family is different as well as each individual as fer the person who's mother and aunt are diggin their claws into em...dunno how far you want to take this, but my standard answer is something along the lines of: so, you want me to be like everyone else? does my individualism scare you? does it offend you because you can't/won't make such a change, so you lash out at me? you know, at one time it was considered normal to keep slaves as well.. at one time most folks thought the world was flat that the sun revolved around the earth at one time it was normal for the man to own everything, to be able to vote, etc, and him and him alone times change some of us evolve... you can make that as nice er easy as you want luckily...even tho my parental untis are still pretty clueless, they long ago sorta accept it..heck, last time i saw em they had bought tofu and a ton of veggies fer us..more stuff then we could ever devour in the 2 days i was with em... i still get the "do you eat fish?" well how about chicken? milk?" questions...but..hey..its hard to change old set in ideas restaurants....always a tuff one... each person has to take their own path on this, just like each person's path to veganism is different... me, most of the time i won't go to any place that doesn't have stuff i can't eat... thats pretty easy, as here in the bay area, most places have at least SOMETHING.... many rest. have a pretty big veg selection, and its easy to ask the waitperson if they can make something vegan.... on the other hand..2 weekends ago, went to ym friend's b-day celebration..at this old bar...they have this special..room for the nite in an old bordello(now a hotel) and yer meal.... about 40 of us drank all day, and went to party at the hotel.... sadly..the meal was only meat...either dead cow er dead fish...nuthin else... soooo..i didn't eat... i made the decision at this time, her b-day party was more important... at the same time..even if a bunch of my friend's like to tease me..i got more offers from folks wanting to go find me something...everyone wanted to drive me somewhere else(the place is pretty much in the middle of nowhere)..everyone was worried, and pissed off that the place couldn't accomodate me at all.... so, its always about give and take, and where you decide to draw yer line.... *shrug* but..fer the most part..my friends have no problem going places i can eat... we have a big thanxfernuthin celebration every year..and even amongst all the meat orgy crud, there are tables of vegan and vegetarian food... yer friends are people who understand..even if they don't except.... yer family..well..you do wot ya can..... cheers and good luck fraggle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2004 Report Share Posted January 6, 2004 It's hard to speak up though because I know my family. They'll either think that I'm overreacting or that I am trying to preach to my sister an brother-in-law. So I just keep my mouth shut. It kills me to see what they feed my niece and nephew though.> <It sounds to me like you would feel better if you did speak out. just saying. Simon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2004 Report Share Posted January 15, 2004 There are other stressors that were making it hard tonight...the noise of the party...the fact that I could no longer share these stresses with my bf (we had broken up). But still...I keep think RACK OF LAMB! Disgusting! I told my birthday sister it was too much and left before ordering...I just couldn't take it anymore. It was just too much imagining all those poor animals slaughtered just so they can have a speciality dinner.> It's a case of the civilied and the savage, How tolerant are we supposed to be? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2004 Report Share Posted January 15, 2004 > It's a case of the civilied and the savage, How tolerant are > we supposed to be? Would our intolerance achieve anything? Jo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2004 Report Share Posted January 16, 2004 Tolerant enough that others can consider our point of view without hostility, but not so tolerant as to appear to condone theirs. >simonpjones > > >Re: Feeling sensitive tonight >Thu, 15 Jan 2004 13:46:47 GMT > > >There are other stressors that were making it hard >tonight...the noise of the party...the fact that I could no >longer share these stresses with my bf (we had broken up). >But still...I keep think RACK OF LAMB! Disgusting! I told >my birthday sister it was too much and left before >ordering...I just couldn't take it anymore. It was just too >much imagining all those poor animals slaughtered just so >they can have a speciality dinner.> > >It's a case of the civilied and the savage, How tolerant are >we supposed to be? > Find high-speed ‘net deals — comparison-shop your local providers here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2004 Report Share Posted January 19, 2004 Sorry for not answering earlier have not been in the library.> > It's a case of the civilied and the savage, How tolerant are > we supposed to be? Would our intolerance achieve anything? A good question! Yes - like being tolerant with a misguided child. If they are stubborn we can remind from time to time until one day they see the growing number of veggies and follow suit. we do what we can...What else can we do? Simon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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