Guest guest Posted April 1, 2004 Report Share Posted April 1, 2004 Hi everyone I have a different topic I need/want to post about. Some of you maybe annoyed with me re: my other posts...so I understand if you don't want to comment. I am sorry if I annoyed anyone prior...it wasn't my intention. If you feel inspired to post, I'd appreciate it. Today I found out my sisters and their children will be celebrating Easter with not only an Easter egg hunt but with HAM. My mother told me this...and I was surprised at my reaction. The whole idea sickened me so much, mostly because Easter and Christmas, in my eyes are holidays with positive and loving feelings, that they would celebrate by eating a pig! A pig who is most probably a live right now...awaiting to be slaughtered. I tolerate meat eating everyday (except in my own home)...just like you all have to. And I usually don't make a big deal about it...but this bothered me so much... to the point where I am not even sure I want to go. I admit my family as a whole is already on shaky ground so that may have something to do with it. I just know seeing the ham there will be depressing to me and I am not sure I will be able to hide my feelings. Especially since I just saw "Peaceable Kingdom". I was surprised how low my tolerance was for this...but yet, even being aware of it I still can't help my feelings. I want to have my family in my life and don't want to cause a big rift out of something like this...obviously they have their own free will and they can choose what they want to eat. Still, finding it hard to "let it go" and allow them to just be and to have a smile on my face at the same time. This event is not around the block...I will have to travel 2.5 hours with another my sister and her children...all meat eaters...and then attend the party. So, in essence, I will be surrounded with this for most of the day...without and escape and I am wondering how I will cope. Part of my anger stems from the hypocrisy of the event. To me Easter and Christmas are times where we express the best parts of ourselves...the goodness, the generosity, the love, etc...and to enjoy eating a pig, who only days before fought for it's life, is to me the exact opposite of the values the holiday represents. Maybe I am just fed up with the clamoring of "peace, love and joy" but no one making a real effort to make it real. Maybe I am making too much of a big deal. A part of me says "go" it will be strengthening for my character...and good for family relations. Another part of me wants to do something nicer on that day...like see the "Haute Dogs Easter Parade" in my town. This is a sweet event. Anyways...do any of you feel anxiety before such events? Do you wonder sometimes if you'll be able to "stay nice" the whole time and not make a comment? How do you deal with it if you do? Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2004 Report Share Posted April 1, 2004 well hello I would like to comment if you don't mind Easter was a Celtic Pagan holiday that was adopted by early Christians to coincide with Passover and resurrection of Christ. it was the spring time celebration of life (northern hemisphere) young rabbits , chickens and ducks were the traditional gifts as well as eggs. there was no feast associated with time of year the diet was any new plants growing such young springs vegies etc.. the Christians added the spring lamb to the meal. that is all I can remember right now I am sure Ham was never part of the tradition in any of the religions. you can choose your friends but you cannot choose your family. stand-up to your principals maybe they will listen. talk to them well I know I haven't said too much just wanted to add my 2 cents worth. all the best Craig lv2breathe [lv2breathe]Friday, April 02, 2004 6:43 AM Cc: Lv2breatheSubject: Difficult situation Hi everyone I have a different topic I need/want to post about. Some of you maybe annoyed with me re: my other posts...so I understand if you don't want to comment. I am sorry if I annoyed anyone prior...it wasn't my intention. If you feel inspired to post, I'd appreciate it. Today I found out my sisters and their children will be celebrating Easter with not only an Easter egg hunt but with HAM. My mother told me this...and I was surprised at my reaction. The whole idea sickened me so much, mostly because Easter and Christmas, in my eyes are holidays with positive and loving feelings, that they would celebrate by eating a pig! A pig who is most probably a live right now...awaiting to be slaughtered. I tolerate meat eating everyday (except in my own home)...just like you all have to. And I usually don't make a big deal about it...but this bothered me so much... to the point where I am not even sure I want to go. I admit my family as a whole is already on shaky ground so that may have something to do with it. I just know seeing the ham there will be depressing to me and I am not sure I will be able to hide my feelings. Especially since I just saw "Peaceable Kingdom". I was surprised how low my tolerance was for this...but yet, even being aware of it I still can't help my feelings. I want to have my family in my life and don't want to cause a big rift out of something like this...obviously they have their own free will and they can choose what they want to eat. Still, finding it hard to "let it go" and allow them to just be and to have a smile on my face at the same time. This event is not around the block...I will have to travel 2.5 hours with another my sister and her children...all meat eaters...and then attend the party. So, in essence, I will be surrounded with this for most of the day...without and escape and I am wondering how I will cope. Part of my anger stems from the hypocrisy of the event. To me Easter and Christmas are times where we express the best parts of ourselves...the goodness, the generosity, the love, etc...and to enjoy eating a pig, who only days before fought for it's life, is to me the exact opposite of the values the holiday represents. Maybe I am just fed up with the clamoring of "peace, love and joy" but no one making a real effort to make it real. Maybe I am making too much of a big deal. A part of me says "go" it will be strengthening for my character...and good for family relations. Another part of me wants to do something nicer on that day...like see the "Haute Dogs Easter Parade" in my town. This is a sweet event. Anyways...do any of you feel anxiety before such events? Do you wonder sometimes if you'll be able to "stay nice" the whole time and not make a comment? How do you deal with it if you do? Thanks To send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2004 Report Share Posted April 2, 2004 I think the basis of any of the major religions is a veggie diet...problem being...a lot of people professing a religion don't seem to take notice of that fundamental basis,(except maybe Buddists). Simon - Craig Dearth Friday, April 02, 2004 12:34 AM RE: Difficult situation well hello I would like to comment if you don't mind Easter was a Celtic Pagan holiday that was adopted by early Christians to coincide with Passover and resurrection of Christ. it was the spring time celebration of life (northern hemisphere) young rabbits , chickens and ducks were the traditional gifts as well as eggs. there was no feast associated with time of year the diet was any new plants growing such young springs vegies etc.. the Christians added the spring lamb to the meal. that is all I can remember right now I am sure Ham was never part of the tradition in any of the religions. you can choose your friends but you cannot choose your family. stand-up to your principals maybe they will listen. talk to them well I know I haven't said too much just wanted to add my 2 cents worth. all the best Craig lv2breathe [lv2breathe]Friday, April 02, 2004 6:43 AM Cc: Lv2breatheSubject: Difficult situation Hi everyone I have a different topic I need/want to post about. Some of you maybe annoyed with me re: my other posts...so I understand if you don't want to comment. I am sorry if I annoyed anyone prior...it wasn't my intention. If you feel inspired to post, I'd appreciate it. Today I found out my sisters and their children will be celebrating Easter with not only an Easter egg hunt but with HAM. My mother told me this...and I was surprised at my reaction. The whole idea sickened me so much, mostly because Easter and Christmas, in my eyes are holidays with positive and loving feelings, that they would celebrate by eating a pig! A pig who is most probably a live right now...awaiting to be slaughtered. I tolerate meat eating everyday (except in my own home)...just like you all have to. And I usually don't make a big deal about it...but this bothered me so much... to the point where I am not even sure I want to go. I admit my family as a whole is already on shaky ground so that may have something to do with it. I just know seeing the ham there will be depressing to me and I am not sure I will be able to hide my feelings. Especially since I just saw "Peaceable Kingdom". I was surprised how low my tolerance was for this...but yet, even being aware of it I still can't help my feelings. I want to have my family in my life and don't want to cause a big rift out of something like this...obviously they have their own free will and they can choose what they want to eat. Still, finding it hard to "let it go" and allow them to just be and to have a smile on my face at the same time. This event is not around the block...I will have to travel 2.5 hours with another my sister and her children...all meat eaters...and then attend the party. So, in essence, I will be surrounded with this for most of the day...without and escape and I am wondering how I will cope. Part of my anger stems from the hypocrisy of the event. To me Easter and Christmas are times where we express the best parts of ourselves...the goodness, the generosity, the love, etc...and to enjoy eating a pig, who only days before fought for it's life, is to me the exact opposite of the values the holiday represents. Maybe I am just fed up with the clamoring of "peace, love and joy" but no one making a real effort to make it real. Maybe I am making too much of a big deal. A part of me says "go" it will be strengthening for my character...and good for family relations. Another part of me wants to do something nicer on that day...like see the "Haute Dogs Easter Parade" in my town. This is a sweet event. Anyways...do any of you feel anxiety before such events? Do you wonder sometimes if you'll be able to "stay nice" the whole time and not make a comment? How do you deal with it if you do? Thanks To send an email to - To send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2004 Report Share Posted April 2, 2004 Yes, this is a really hard issue. My sister and I have taken to having our own alternate Thanksgiving, for example, which is totally vegan because the whole thing is just way too depressing. At the same time, I know this creates a sense of isolation/distance between us and my father (our mom has no problem with this, she is a very flexible person), which is really not our intent. For some people, explaining why you aren't coming will be enough and they will be fine with it. For others, you may have to decide, sadly, the lesser of 2 evils -- watching others eat meat or completely alienating them. I don't know the answer of course, but it is possible to " stay nice " even through 5 rounds of grandma asking " are you really sure you don't want such-and-such meat dish? " It just takes a toll. It partially depends on how often you see the family, etc. This probably doesn't help much, but just my thoughts. peace , lv2breathe@a... wrote: > Hi everyone > > Today I found out my sisters and their children will be celebrating Easter > with not only an Easter egg hunt but with HAM. My mother told me this...and I > was surprised at my reaction. The whole idea sickened me so much, mostly > because Easter and Christmas, in my eyes are holidays with positive and loving > feelings, that they would celebrate by eating a pig! A pig who is most probably a > live right now...awaiting to be slaughtered. > > I tolerate meat eating everyday (except in my own home)...just like you all > have to. And I usually don't make a big deal about it...but this bothered me > so much... to the point where I am not even sure I want to go. I admit my > family as a whole is already on shaky ground so that may have something to do with > it. I just know seeing the ham there will be depressing to me and I am not > sure I will be able to hide my feelings. Especially since I just saw > " Peaceable Kingdom " . I was surprised how low my tolerance was for this...but yet, even > being aware of it I still can't help my feelings. I want to have my family > in my life and don't want to cause a big rift out of something like > this...obviously they have their own free will and they can choose what they want to eat. > Still, finding it hard to " let it go " and allow them to just be and to have > a smile on my face at the same time. This event is not around the block...I > will have to travel 2.5 hours with another my sister and her children...all > meat eaters...and then attend the party. So, in essence, I will be surrounded > with this for most of the day...without and escape and I am wondering how I > will cope. > > Part of my anger stems from the hypocrisy of the event. To me Easter and > Christmas are times where we express the best parts of ourselves...the goodness, > the generosity, the love, etc...and to enjoy eating a pig, who only days > before fought for it's life, is to me the exact opposite of the values the holiday > represents. Maybe I am just fed up with the clamoring of " peace, love and > joy " but no one making a real effort to make it real. > > Maybe I am making too much of a big deal. A part of me says " go " it will be > strengthening for my character...and good for family relations. Another part > of me wants to do something nicer on that day...like see the " Haute Dogs > Easter Parade " in my town. This is a sweet event. > > Anyways...do any of you feel anxiety before such events? Do you wonder > sometimes if you'll be able to " stay nice " the whole time and not make a comment? > How do you deal with it if you do? > > Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2004 Report Share Posted April 2, 2004 It is difficult when it is family. You can only follow your own instincts about whether to go or not. Some people mind, and some people don't mind too much. If it is more upsetting to go than not to, then don't go. Jo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2004 Report Share Posted April 2, 2004 I can see how hard this must be for you. I personally can't be in the same room as people eating meat without feeling nauseous. I personally don't celebrate Christmas Easter etc because of these reasons and also object to being coerced into celebrating holidays I don't believe in by society etc. Sara [gagrip5] 02 April 2004 16:28 Re: Difficult situation Yes, this is a really hard issue. My sister and I have taken to having our own alternate Thanksgiving, for example, which is totally vegan because the whole thing is just way too depressing. At the same time, I know this creates a sense of isolation/distance between us and my father (our mom has no problem with this, she is a very flexible person), which is really not our intent. For some people, explaining why you aren't coming will be enough and they will be fine with it. For others, you may have to decide, sadly, the lesser of 2 evils -- watching others eat meat or completely alienating them. I don't know the answer of course, but it is possible to " stay nice " even through 5 rounds of grandma asking " are you really sure you don't want such-and-such meat dish? " It just takes a toll. It partially depends on how often you see the family, etc. This probably doesn't help much, but just my thoughts. peace , lv2breathe@a... wrote: > Hi everyone > > Today I found out my sisters and their children will be celebrating Easter > with not only an Easter egg hunt but with HAM. My mother told me this...and I > was surprised at my reaction. The whole idea sickened me so much, mostly > because Easter and Christmas, in my eyes are holidays with positive and loving > feelings, that they would celebrate by eating a pig! A pig who is most probably a > live right now...awaiting to be slaughtered. > > I tolerate meat eating everyday (except in my own home)...just like you all > have to. And I usually don't make a big deal about it...but this bothered me > so much... to the point where I am not even sure I want to go. I admit my > family as a whole is already on shaky ground so that may have something to do with > it. I just know seeing the ham there will be depressing to me and I am not > sure I will be able to hide my feelings. Especially since I just saw > " Peaceable Kingdom " . I was surprised how low my tolerance was for this...but yet, even > being aware of it I still can't help my feelings. I want to have my family > in my life and don't want to cause a big rift out of something like > this...obviously they have their own free will and they can choose what they want to eat. > Still, finding it hard to " let it go " and allow them to just be and to have > a smile on my face at the same time. This event is not around the block...I > will have to travel 2.5 hours with another my sister and her children...all > meat eaters...and then attend the party. So, in essence, I will be surrounded > with this for most of the day...without and escape and I am wondering how I > will cope. > > Part of my anger stems from the hypocrisy of the event. To me Easter and > Christmas are times where we express the best parts of ourselves...the goodness, > the generosity, the love, etc...and to enjoy eating a pig, who only days > before fought for it's life, is to me the exact opposite of the values the holiday > represents. Maybe I am just fed up with the clamoring of " peace, love and > joy " but no one making a real effort to make it real. > > Maybe I am making too much of a big deal. A part of me says " go " it will be > strengthening for my character...and good for family relations. Another part > of me wants to do something nicer on that day...like see the " Haute Dogs > Easter Parade " in my town. This is a sweet event. > > Anyways...do any of you feel anxiety before such events? Do you wonder > sometimes if you'll be able to " stay nice " the whole time and not make a comment? > How do you deal with it if you do? > > Thanks To send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2004 Report Share Posted April 2, 2004 i wish i could give you good advice, but i wouldn't have the resolve to go, see that (the ex-her or him), and be polite, either. unless the event is so close to you that you'd be able to step in and change it (and it doesn't sound like you can), it'd probably be better for your spirit to skip watching people whom you love and want to respect devour other people, deserving of love, whom you're expected not to respect. your family should understand how you feel. as far as the, "staying nice," plays in, i'll tell you that i can never stay silent about it. i'm nice, but blunt, and depressing for other people trying to enjoy themselves at whatever event i'm at. *and how i cry tears of ice for their spoiled evening* ....if it's at all possible, maybe you could offer to bring plastic eggs filled with treats for the hunt instead, and paint or put stickers on them, or offer some alternative to the pig they'll be serving, telling everyone your food will be "healthier for the kids" or some junk (it invariably WOULD be!). please don't "let it go" or pretend to tolerate it; seeing the effect on you may make some others think--and it's more pure for you not to have to feign your emotions. tell your family the truth and watch the parade! ~~brii > > >CC: Lv2breathe > Difficult situation >Thu, 1 Apr 2004 17:42:32 EST > >Hi everyone > >I have a different topic I need/want to post about. Some of you maybe >annoyed with me re: my other posts...so I understand if you don't want to comment. >I am sorry if I annoyed anyone prior...it wasn't my intention. If you feel >inspired to post, I'd appreciate it. > >Today I found out my sisters and their children will be celebrating Easter >with not only an Easter egg hunt but with HAM. My mother told me this...and I >was surprised at my reaction. The whole idea sickened me so much, mostly >because Easter and Christmas, in my eyes are holidays with positive and loving >feelings, that they would celebrate by eating a pig! A pig who is most probably a >live right now...awaiting to be slaughtered. > >I tolerate meat eating everyday (except in my own home)...just like you all >have to. And I usually don't make a big deal about it...but this bothered me >so much... to the point where I am not even sure I want to go. I admit my >family as a whole is already on shaky ground so that may have something to do with >it. I just know seeing the ham there will be depressing to me and I am not >sure I will be able to hide my feelings. Especially since I just saw >"Peaceable Kingdom". I was surprised how low my tolerance was for this...but yet, even >being aware of it I still can't help my feelings. I want to have my family >in my life and don't want to cause a big rift out of something like >this...obviously they have their own free will and they can choose what they want to eat. > Still, finding it hard to "let it go" and allow them to just be and to have >a smile on my face at the same time. This event is not around the block...I >will have to travel 2.5 hours with another my sister and her children...all >meat eaters...and then attend the party. So, in essence, I will be surrounded >with this for most of the day...without and escape and I am wondering how I >will cope. > >Part of my anger stems from the hypocrisy of the event. To me Easter and >Christmas are times where we express the best parts of ourselves...the goodness, >the generosity, the love, etc...and to enjoy eating a pig, who only days >before fought for it's life, is to me the exact opposite of the values the holiday >represents. Maybe I am just fed up with the clamoring of "peace, love and >joy" but no one making a real effort to make it real. > >Maybe I am making too much of a big deal. A part of me says "go" it will be >strengthening for my character...and good for family relations. Another part >of me wants to do something nicer on that day...like see the "Haute Dogs >Easter Parade" in my town. This is a sweet event. > >Anyways...do any of you feel anxiety before such events? Do you wonder >sometimes if you'll be able to "stay nice" the whole time and not make a comment? >How do you deal with it if you do? > >Thanks Free up your inbox with MSN Hotmail Extra Storage! Multiple plans available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2004 Report Share Posted April 4, 2004 hi sara i entertained the group in january with myexperience last christmas when half my family fell out with each other because of my veganism, my aunt had a go at my mother, who had a go back etc....i have only two weeks ago managed to get my grandmother to ring me...since christmas!! i took stuff with me but as i was staying, some felt rejected that i wouldnt eat turkey mince pies etc and it got out of hand.......no explaining would do.....a friend of the family a meat eater triedtoexplain about animals etc but to no avail..... since then i have only gone for a days visit, and next christmas??.......i will be staying with friends hopefully..... good luck catherine >"Sara" <gagrip5 > > > Re: Difficult situation >Fri, 02 Apr 2004 15:27:59 -0000 > >Yes, this is a really hard issue. My sister and I have taken to >having our own alternate Thanksgiving, for example, which is totally >vegan because the whole thing is just way too depressing. At the same >time, I know this creates a sense of isolation/distance between us >and my father (our mom has no problem with this, she is a very >flexible person), which is really not our intent. For some people, >explaining why you aren't coming will be enough and they will be fine >with it. For others, you may have to decide, sadly, the lesser of 2 >evils -- watching others eat meat or completely alienating them. I >don't know the answer of course, but it is possible to "stay nice" >even through 5 rounds of grandma asking "are you really sure you >don't want such-and-such meat dish?" It just takes a toll. It >partially depends on how often you see the family, etc. This probably >doesn't help much, but just my thoughts. >peace > > , lv2breathe@a... wrote: > > Hi everyone > > > > Today I found out my sisters and their children will be celebrating >Easter > > with not only an Easter egg hunt but with HAM. My mother told me >this...and I > > was surprised at my reaction. The whole idea sickened me so much, >mostly > > because Easter and Christmas, in my eyes are holidays with positive >and loving > > feelings, that they would celebrate by eating a pig! A pig who is >most probably a > > live right now...awaiting to be slaughtered. > > > > I tolerate meat eating everyday (except in my own home)...just like >you all > > have to. And I usually don't make a big deal about it...but this >bothered me > > so much... to the point where I am not even sure I want to go. I >admit my > > family as a whole is already on shaky ground so that may have >something to do with > > it. I just know seeing the ham there will be depressing to me and >I am not > > sure I will be able to hide my feelings. Especially since I just >saw > > "Peaceable Kingdom". I was surprised how low my tolerance was for >this...but yet, even > > being aware of it I still can't help my feelings. I want to have >my family > > in my life and don't want to cause a big rift out of something like > > this...obviously they have their own free will and they can choose >what they want to eat. > > Still, finding it hard to "let it go" and allow them to just be >and to have > > a smile on my face at the same time. This event is not around >the block...I > > will have to travel 2.5 hours with another my sister and her >children...all > > meat eaters...and then attend the party. So, in essence, I will be >surrounded > > with this for most of the day...without and escape and I am >wondering how I > > will cope. > > > > Part of my anger stems from the hypocrisy of the event. To me >Easter and > > Christmas are times where we express the best parts of >ourselves...the goodness, > > the generosity, the love, etc...and to enjoy eating a pig, who only >days > > before fought for it's life, is to me the exact opposite of the >values the holiday > > represents. Maybe I am just fed up with the clamoring of "peace, >love and > > joy" but no one making a real effort to make it real. > > > > Maybe I am making too much of a big deal. A part of me says "go" >it will be > > strengthening for my character...and good for family relations. >Another part > > of me wants to do something nicer on that day...like see the "Haute >Dogs > > Easter Parade" in my town. This is a sweet event. > > > > Anyways...do any of you feel anxiety before such events? Do you >wonder > > sometimes if you'll be able to "stay nice" the whole time and not >make a comment? > > How do you deal with it if you do? > > > > Thanks > > Stay in touch better and keep protected online with MSN’s NEW all-in-one Premium Services. Find out more here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2004 Report Share Posted April 4, 2004 Sorry, but it's my belief that the cook has the prerogative to serve whatever they feel like cooking. I'm facing the similar situation - I just plan to eat the baked potatoes and veggies that are served and keep my peace. Love, Anna P.S. When my parents come to my house I serve vegetarian food and my mother eats it with a smile. My stepfather insists on having steak, though, so I make my mom bring , cook, and clean up after it. >lv2breathe > > >CC: Lv2breathe > Difficult situation >Thu, 1 Apr 2004 17:42:32 EST > >Hi everyone > >I have a different topic I need/want to post about. Some of you maybe >annoyed with me re: my other posts...so I understand if you don't want to >comment. >I am sorry if I annoyed anyone prior...it wasn't my intention. If you feel >inspired to post, I'd appreciate it. > >Today I found out my sisters and their children will be celebrating Easter >with not only an Easter egg hunt but with HAM. My mother told me >this...and I >was surprised at my reaction. The whole idea sickened me so much, mostly >because Easter and Christmas, in my eyes are holidays with positive and >loving >feelings, that they would celebrate by eating a pig! A pig who is most >probably a >live right now...awaiting to be slaughtered. > >I tolerate meat eating everyday (except in my own home)...just like you all >have to. And I usually don't make a big deal about it...but this bothered >me >so much... to the point where I am not even sure I want to go. I admit my >family as a whole is already on shaky ground so that may have something to >do with >it. I just know seeing the ham there will be depressing to me and I am not >sure I will be able to hide my feelings. Especially since I just saw > " Peaceable Kingdom " . I was surprised how low my tolerance was for >this...but yet, even >being aware of it I still can't help my feelings. I want to have my family >in my life and don't want to cause a big rift out of something like >this...obviously they have their own free will and they can choose what >they want to eat. > Still, finding it hard to " let it go " and allow them to just be and to >have >a smile on my face at the same time. This event is not around the >block...I >will have to travel 2.5 hours with another my sister and her children...all >meat eaters...and then attend the party. So, in essence, I will be >surrounded >with this for most of the day...without and escape and I am wondering how I >will cope. > >Part of my anger stems from the hypocrisy of the event. To me Easter and >Christmas are times where we express the best parts of ourselves...the >goodness, >the generosity, the love, etc...and to enjoy eating a pig, who only days >before fought for it's life, is to me the exact opposite of the values the >holiday >represents. Maybe I am just fed up with the clamoring of " peace, love and >joy " but no one making a real effort to make it real. > >Maybe I am making too much of a big deal. A part of me says " go " it will >be >strengthening for my character...and good for family relations. Another >part >of me wants to do something nicer on that day...like see the " Haute Dogs >Easter Parade " in my town. This is a sweet event. > >Anyways...do any of you feel anxiety before such events? Do you wonder >sometimes if you'll be able to " stay nice " the whole time and not make a >comment? >How do you deal with it if you do? > >Thanks _______________ Limited-time offer: Fast, reliable MSN 9 Dial-up Internet access FREE for 2 months! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup & pgmarket=en-us & ST=1/go/onm00200361ave/dire\ ct/01/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2004 Report Share Posted April 4, 2004 There's a guy on my Buddhism e-list who flips out anytime anyone mentions vegetarianism and tells us that we're " self important " and " need to eat a cheeseburger. " He insists that you don't need to be vegetarian to be a buddhist and scoffs at anyone that points out that Buddhist monasteries serve vegetarian food. Love, Anna > " simonpjones " <simonpjones > > >Re: Difficult situation >Fri, 2 Apr 2004 13:54:00 +0100 > >I think the basis of any of the major religions is a veggie diet...problem >being...a lot of people professing a religion don't seem to take notice of >that fundamental basis,(except maybe Buddists). > >Simon > > - > Craig Dearth > > Friday, April 02, 2004 12:34 AM > RE: Difficult situation > > > well hello > I would like to comment if you don't mind > Easter was a Celtic Pagan holiday that was adopted by early Christians > to coincide with Passover and resurrection of Christ. > it was the spring time celebration of life (northern hemisphere) > young rabbits , chickens and ducks were the traditional gifts as well as >eggs. > there was no feast associated with time of year > the diet was any new plants growing such > young springs vegies etc.. > the Christians added the spring lamb to the meal. > that is all I can remember right now > I am sure Ham was never part of the tradition in any of the >religions. > you can choose your friends but you cannot choose your family. > stand-up to your principals maybe they will listen. talk to them > well I know I haven't said too much > just wanted to add my 2 cents worth. > all the best > Craig > > > > lv2breathe [lv2breathe] > Friday, April 02, 2004 6:43 AM > > Cc: Lv2breathe > Difficult situation > > > Hi everyone > > I have a different topic I need/want to post about. Some of you maybe >annoyed with me re: my other posts...so I understand if you don't want to >comment. I am sorry if I annoyed anyone prior...it wasn't my intention. >If you feel inspired to post, I'd appreciate it. > > Today I found out my sisters and their children will be celebrating >Easter with not only an Easter egg hunt but with HAM. My mother told me >this...and I was surprised at my reaction. The whole idea sickened me so >much, mostly because Easter and Christmas, in my eyes are holidays with >positive and loving feelings, that they would celebrate by eating a pig! A >pig who is most probably a live right now...awaiting to be slaughtered. > > I tolerate meat eating everyday (except in my own home)...just like you >all have to. And I usually don't make a big deal about it...but this >bothered me so much... to the point where I am not even sure I want to go. >I admit my family as a whole is already on shaky ground so that may have >something to do with it. I just know seeing the ham there will be >depressing to me and I am not sure I will be able to hide my feelings. >Especially since I just saw " Peaceable Kingdom " . I was surprised how low >my tolerance was for this...but yet, even being aware of it I still can't >help my feelings. I want to have my family in my life and don't want to >cause a big rift out of something like this...obviously they have their own >free will and they can choose what they want to eat. Still, finding it >hard to " let it go " and allow them to just be and to have a smile on my >face at the same time. This event is not around the block...I will have >to travel 2.5 hours with another my sister and her children...all meat >eaters...and then attend the party. So, in essence, I will be surrounded >with this for most of the day...without and escape and I am wondering how I >will cope. > > Part of my anger stems from the hypocrisy of the event. To me Easter >and Christmas are times where we express the best parts of ourselves...the >goodness, the generosity, the love, etc...and to enjoy eating a pig, who >only days before fought for it's life, is to me the exact opposite of the >values the holiday represents. Maybe I am just fed up with the clamoring >of " peace, love and joy " but no one making a real effort to make it real. > > Maybe I am making too much of a big deal. A part of me says " go " it >will be strengthening for my character...and good for family relations. >Another part of me wants to do something nicer on that day...like see the > " Haute Dogs Easter Parade " in my town. This is a sweet event. > > Anyways...do any of you feel anxiety before such events? Do you wonder >sometimes if you'll be able to " stay nice " the whole time and not make a >comment? How do you deal with it if you do? > > Thanks > > > > > To send an email to - > > > > To send an email to - > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2004 Report Share Posted April 4, 2004 that guy is an idiot; an enormous fat-head. ~~bunnies and grins(!), brii p.s.-- perhaps a soybean and tofu enema could clear HIM up a little? >"Anna Blaine" <annacblaine > > >Re: Difficult situation >Sat, 03 Apr 2004 19:16:08 -0700 > >There's a guy on my Buddhism e-list who flips out anytime anyone mentions >vegetarianism and tells us that we're "self important" and "need to eat a >cheeseburger." He insists that you don't need to be vegetarian to be a >buddhist and scoffs at anyone that points out that Buddhist monasteries >serve vegetarian food. > >Love, >Anna > > > >"simonpjones" <simonpjones > > > > > >Re: Difficult situation > >Fri, 2 Apr 2004 13:54:00 +0100 > > > >I think the basis of any of the major religions is a veggie diet...problem > >being...a lot of people professing a religion don't seem to take notice of > >that fundamental basis,(except maybe Buddists). > > > >Simon > > > > - > > Craig Dearth > > > > Friday, April 02, 2004 12:34 AM > > RE: Difficult situation > > > > > > well hello > > I would like to comment if you don't mind > > Easter was a Celtic Pagan holiday that was adopted by early Christians > > to coincide with Passover and resurrection of Christ. > > it was the spring time celebration of life (northern hemisphere) > > young rabbits , chickens and ducks were the traditional gifts as well as > >eggs. > > there was no feast associated with time of year > > the diet was any new plants growing such > > young springs vegies etc.. > > the Christians added the spring lamb to the meal. > > that is all I can remember right now > > I am sure Ham was never part of the tradition in any of the > >religions. > > you can choose your friends but you cannot choose your family. > > stand-up to your principals maybe they will listen. talk to them > > well I know I haven't said too much > > just wanted to add my 2 cents worth. > > all the best > > Craig > > > > > > > > lv2breathe [lv2breathe] > > Friday, April 02, 2004 6:43 AM > > > > Cc: Lv2breathe > > Difficult situation > > > > > > Hi everyone > > > > I have a different topic I need/want to post about. Some of you maybe > >annoyed with me re: my other posts...so I understand if you don't want to > >comment. I am sorry if I annoyed anyone prior...it wasn't my intention. > >If you feel inspired to post, I'd appreciate it. > > > > Today I found out my sisters and their children will be celebrating > >Easter with not only an Easter egg hunt but with HAM. My mother told me > >this...and I was surprised at my reaction. The whole idea sickened me so > >much, mostly because Easter and Christmas, in my eyes are holidays with > >positive and loving feelings, that they would celebrate by eating a pig! A > >pig who is most probably a live right now...awaiting to be slaughtered. > > > > I tolerate meat eating everyday (except in my own home)...just like you > >all have to. And I usually don't make a big deal about it...but this > >bothered me so much... to the point where I am not even sure I want to go. > >I admit my family as a whole is already on shaky ground so that may have > >something to do with it. I just know seeing the ham there will be > >depressing to me and I am not sure I will be able to hide my feelings. > >Especially since I just saw "Peaceable Kingdom". I was surprised how low > >my tolerance was for this...but yet, even being aware of it I still can't > >help my feelings. I want to have my family in my life and don't want to > >cause a big rift out of something like this...obviously they have their own > >free will and they can choose what they want to eat. Still, finding it > >hard to "let it go" and allow them to just be and to have a smile on my > >face at the same time. This event is not around the block...I will have > >to travel 2.5 hours with another my sister and her children...all meat > >eaters...and then attend the party. So, in essence, I will be surrounded > >with this for most of the day...without and escape and I am wondering how I > >will cope. > > > > Part of my anger stems from the hypocrisy of the event. To me Easter > >and Christmas are times where we express the best parts of ourselves...the > >goodness, the generosity, the love, etc...and to enjoy eating a pig, who > >only days before fought for it's life, is to me the exact opposite of the > >values the holiday represents. Maybe I am just fed up with the clamoring > >of "peace, love and joy" but no one making a real effort to make it real. > > > > Maybe I am making too much of a big deal. A part of me says "go" it > >will be strengthening for my character...and good for family relations. > >Another part of me wants to do something nicer on that day...like see the > >"Haute Dogs Easter Parade" in my town. This is a sweet event. > > > > Anyways...do any of you feel anxiety before such events? Do you wonder > >sometimes if you'll be able to "stay nice" the whole time and not make a > >comment? How do you deal with it if you do? > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > To send an email to - > > > > > > > > To send an email to - > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2004 Report Share Posted April 4, 2004 What a strange person! I saw a programme on Shaolin monks and was pleased that they were served simple vegan food. A few months later I watched some silly programme where the programme makers picked ten people to undergo a Shaolin training etc. They served stupid food like chickens heads etc. which really meant they didn't know what they were doing. Jo > There's a guy on my Buddhism e-list who flips out anytime anyone mentions > vegetarianism and tells us that we're " self important " and " need to eat a > cheeseburger. " He insists that you don't need to be vegetarian to be a > buddhist and scoffs at anyone that points out that Buddhist monasteries > serve vegetarian food. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2004 Report Share Posted April 4, 2004 Hi Catherine I reckon staying with friends might be a good idea. My first thought is always that if someone is feeding us then they should make food that we like (vegan) but then they could say the same to us i.e. when they come to stay we should cook meat for them!!! It's probably best to take your own food with you when you go if you know that they will not accommodate you. BBJo - Catherine Harris Sunday, April 04, 2004 1:47 AM RE: Re: Difficult situation hi sara i entertained the group in january with myexperience last christmas when half my family fell out with each other because of my veganism, my aunt had a go at my mother, who had a go back etc....i have only two weeks ago managed to get my grandmother to ring me...since christmas!! i took stuff with me but as i was staying, some felt rejected that i wouldnt eat turkey mince pies etc and it got out of hand.......no explaining would do.....a friend of the family a meat eater triedtoexplain about animals etc but to no avail..... since then i have only gone for a days visit, and next christmas??.......i will be staying with friends hopefully..... good luck catherine >"Sara" <gagrip5 > > > Re: Difficult situation >Fri, 02 Apr 2004 15:27:59 -0000 > >Yes, this is a really hard issue. My sister and I have taken to >having our own alternate Thanksgiving, for example, which is totally >vegan because the whole thing is just way too depressing. At the same >time, I know this creates a sense of isolation/distance between us >and my father (our mom has no problem with this, she is a very >flexible person), which is really not our intent. For some people, >explaining why you aren't coming will be enough and they will be fine >with it. For others, you may have to decide, sadly, the lesser of 2 >evils -- watching others eat meat or completely alienating them. I >don't know the answer of course, but it is possible to "stay nice" >even through 5 rounds of grandma asking "are you really sure you >don't want such-and-such meat dish?" It just takes a toll. It >partially depends on how often you see the family, etc. This probably >doesn't help much, but just my thoughts. >peace > > , lv2breathe@a... wrote: > > Hi everyone > > > > Today I found out my sisters and their children will be celebrating >Easter > > with not only an Easter egg hunt but with HAM. My mother told me >this...and I > > was surprised at my reaction. The whole idea sickened me so much, >mostly > > because Easter and Christmas, in my eyes are holidays with positive >and loving > > feelings, that they would celebrate by eating a pig! A pig who is >most probably a > > live right now...awaiting to be slaughtered. > > > > I tolerate meat eating everyday (except in my own home)...just like >you all > > have to. And I usually don't make a big deal about it...but this >bothered me > > so much... to the point where I am not even sure I want to go. I >admit my > > family as a whole is already on shaky ground so that may have >something to do with > > it. I just know seeing the ham there will be depressing to me and >I am not > > sure I will be able to hide my feelings. Especially since I just >saw > > "Peaceable Kingdom". I was surprised how low my tolerance was for >this...but yet, even > > being aware of it I still can't help my feelings. I want to have >my family > > in my life and don't want to cause a big rift out of something like > > this...obviously they have their own free will and they can choose >what they want to eat. > > Still, finding it hard to "let it go" and allow them to just be >and to have > > a smile on my face at the same time. This event is not around >the block...I > > will have to travel 2.5 hours with another my sister and her >children...all > > meat eaters...and then attend the party. So, in essence, I will be >surrounded > > with this for most of the day...without and escape and I am >wondering how I > > will cope. > > > > Part of my anger stems from the hypocrisy of the event. To me >Easter and > > Christmas are times where we express the best parts of >ourselves...the goodness, > > the generosity, the love, etc...and to enjoy eating a pig, who only >days > > before fought for it's life, is to me the exact opposite of the >values the holiday > > represents. Maybe I am just fed up with the clamoring of "peace, >love and > > joy" but no one making a real effort to make it real. > > > > Maybe I am making too much of a big deal. A part of me says "go" >it will be > > strengthening for my character...and good for family relations. >Another part > > of me wants to do something nicer on that day...like see the "Haute >Dogs > > Easter Parade" in my town. This is a sweet event. > > > > Anyways...do any of you feel anxiety before such events? Do you >wonder > > sometimes if you'll be able to "stay nice" the whole time and not >make a comment? > > How do you deal with it if you do? > > > > Thanks > > Stay in touch better and keep protected online with MSN’s NEW all-in-one Premium Services. Find out more here. To send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2004 Report Share Posted April 6, 2004 I've been a vegetarian for about 10 years, and a vegan for less than a year. I've never had problems with other people eating meat at restaurants or at family gatherings, just as long as it's not in my home, cooking with my pots. In my house, people have to respect that I don't want dead animals being consumed. But in their houses, I respect their choice. My whole family has learned not to push meat on me, or I'll give them some very concrete, graphic reasons why I won't have it. But I don't get graphic with the kids. I'll answer their questions, but I don't try to sway them away from meat. Still, by being stalwart and honest, two of my nine nephews and nieces are now vegetarian. One is an only child, but the other is the oldest of four children in his household. I'm hoping he'll be a role model for his younger siblings. I am very comfortable with my convictions. I am also patient with others' lack of conviction (at least outwardly patient). As a result, at least some of the next generation of my family will stop killing animals. So, that's my perspective. Obviously it's not right for everyone, but it's worked for me. I'm also proud to say that I have a three-year-old girl who has never eaten meat and who has never worn leather or fur. (That has nothing to do with this discussion, but as I said, I'm proud. I guess I like to brag.) Gig , lv2breathe@a... wrote: > Hi everyone > > I have a different topic I need/want to post about. Some of you maybe > annoyed with me re: my other posts...so I understand if you don't want to comment. > I am sorry if I annoyed anyone prior...it wasn't my intention. If you feel > inspired to post, I'd appreciate it. > > Today I found out my sisters and their children will be celebrating Easter > with not only an Easter egg hunt but with HAM. My mother told me this...and I > was surprised at my reaction. The whole idea sickened me so much, mostly > because Easter and Christmas, in my eyes are holidays with positive and loving > feelings, that they would celebrate by eating a pig! A pig who is most probably a > live right now...awaiting to be slaughtered. > > I tolerate meat eating everyday (except in my own home)...just like you all > have to. And I usually don't make a big deal about it...but this bothered me > so much... to the point where I am not even sure I want to go. I admit my > family as a whole is already on shaky ground so that may have something to do with > it. I just know seeing the ham there will be depressing to me and I am not > sure I will be able to hide my feelings. Especially since I just saw > " Peaceable Kingdom " . I was surprised how low my tolerance was for this...but yet, even > being aware of it I still can't help my feelings. I want to have my family > in my life and don't want to cause a big rift out of something like > this...obviously they have their own free will and they can choose what they want to eat. > Still, finding it hard to " let it go " and allow them to just be and to have > a smile on my face at the same time. This event is not around the block...I > will have to travel 2.5 hours with another my sister and her children...all > meat eaters...and then attend the party. So, in essence, I will be surrounded > with this for most of the day...without and escape and I am wondering how I > will cope. > > Part of my anger stems from the hypocrisy of the event. To me Easter and > Christmas are times where we express the best parts of ourselves...the goodness, > the generosity, the love, etc...and to enjoy eating a pig, who only days > before fought for it's life, is to me the exact opposite of the values the holiday > represents. Maybe I am just fed up with the clamoring of " peace, love and > joy " but no one making a real effort to make it real. > > Maybe I am making too much of a big deal. A part of me says " go " it will be > strengthening for my character...and good for family relations. Another part > of me wants to do something nicer on that day...like see the " Haute Dogs > Easter Parade " in my town. This is a sweet event. > > Anyways...do any of you feel anxiety before such events? Do you wonder > sometimes if you'll be able to " stay nice " the whole time and not make a comment? > How do you deal with it if you do? > > Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2004 Report Share Posted April 6, 2004 Hi Mike, Your situation / approach sounds simular to mine.I have been a vegie for 20 years and a vegan for over half that, and am married to a meat eater. Whilst I will admit to the odd comment in jest, I do not preach to her. I have subverted her by ensuring that all the household products are vegan/eco friendly, but thats as far as it goes. She does however enjoy my cooking so there still may be a chance?>>>>>>>hope springs eternal<<<<. I also have 2 children, and have had to concede that they are only nearly vegetarian as the youngest ( 7 ) eats dairy, and the oldest ( 10 ) eats fish as well. But they have never eaten anything with hoofs or wings yet. I have never preached to them, but have answered a lot of questions honestly to them. If they decided to try flesh or fowl, then that would be up to them as they are getting to the age where they can develope a conciense and decide for themselves. The Valley Vegan.... I've been a vegetarian for about 10 years, and a vegan for less than a year. I've never had problems with other people eating meat at restaurants or at family gatherings, just as long as it's not in my home, cooking with my pots. In my house, people have to respect that I don't want dead animals being consumed. But in their houses, I respect their choice. My whole family has learned not to push meat on me, or I'll give them some very concrete, graphic reasons why I won't have it. But I don't get graphic with the kids. I'll answer their questions, but I don't try to sway them away from meat. Still, by being stalwart and honest, two of my nine nephews and nieces are now vegetarian. One is an only child, but the other is the oldest of four children in his household. I'm hoping he'll be a role model for his younger siblings. I am very comfortable with my convictions. I am also patient with others' lack of conviction (at least outwardly patient). As a result, at least some of the next generation of my family will stop killing animals. So, that's my perspective. Obviously it's not right for everyone, but it's worked for me. > Peter H -------------------- talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2004 Report Share Posted April 6, 2004 It seems to be working well Gig. Jo > > I am very comfortable with my convictions. I am also patient with > others' lack of conviction (at least outwardly patient). As a > result, at least some of the next generation of my family will stop > killing animals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2004 Report Share Posted April 6, 2004 I am vegan and I celebrate Christmas and Easter. The sense of celebrating Christmas and Easter is Christian and not a question of food. It is the salvation of the human being from the sin and re-unification with God for everyone who wants.robin <mclaren.robin wrote: I can see how hard this must be for you. I personally can't be in the sameroom as people eating meat without feeling nauseous. I personally don'tcelebrate Christmas Easter etc because of these reasons and also object tobeing coerced into celebrating holidays I don't believe in by society etc. Sara [gagrip5] 02 April 2004 16:28 Subject: Re: Difficult situationYes, this is a really hard issue. My sister and I have taken to having our own alternate Thanksgiving, for example, which is totally vegan because the whole thing is just way too depressing. At the same time, I know this creates a sense of isolation/distance between us and my father (our mom has no problem with this, she is a very flexible person), which is really not our intent. For some people, explaining why you aren't coming will be enough and they will be fine with it. For others, you may have to decide, sadly, the lesser of 2 evils -- watching others eat meat or completely alienating them. I don't know the answer of course, but it is possible to "stay nice" even through 5 rounds of grandma asking "are you really sure you don't want such-and-such meat dish?" It just takes a toll. It partially depends on how often you see the family, etc. This probably doesn't help much, but just my thoughts.peace , lv2breathe@a... wrote:> Hi everyone> > Today I found out my sisters and their children will be celebrating Easter > with not only an Easter egg hunt but with HAM. My mother told me this...and I > was surprised at my reaction. The whole idea sickened me so much, mostly > because Easter and Christmas, in my eyes are holidays with positive and loving > feelings, that they would celebrate by eating a pig! A pig who is most probably a > live right now...awaiting to be slaughtered.> > I tolerate meat eating everyday (except in my own home)...just like you all > have to. And I usually don't make a big deal about it...but this bothered me > so much... to the point where I am not even sure I want to go. I admit my > family as a whole is already on shaky ground so that may have something to do with > it. I just know seeing the ham there will be depressing to me and I am not > sure I will be able to hide my feelings. Especially since I just saw > "Peaceable Kingdom". I was surprised how low my tolerance was for this...but yet, even > being aware of it I still can't help my feelings. I want to have my family > in my life and don't want to cause a big rift out of something like > this...obviously they have their own free will and they can choose what they want to eat. > Still, finding it hard to "let it go" and allow them to just be and to have > a smile on my face at the same time. This event is not around the block...I > will have to travel 2.5 hours with another my sister and her children...all > meat eaters...and then attend the party. So, in essence, I will be surrounded > with this for most of the day...without and escape and I am wondering how I > will cope.> > Part of my anger stems from the hypocrisy of the event. To me Easter and > Christmas are times where we express the best parts of ourselves...the goodness, > the generosity, the love, etc...and to enjoy eating a pig, who only days > before fought for it's life, is to me the exact opposite of the values the holiday > represents. Maybe I am just fed up with the clamoring of "peace, love and > joy" but no one making a real effort to make it real.> > Maybe I am making too much of a big deal. A part of me says "go" it will be > strengthening for my character...and good for family relations. Another part > of me wants to do something nicer on that day...like see the "Haute Dogs > Easter Parade" in my town. This is a sweet event.> > Anyways...do any of you feel anxiety before such events? Do you wonder > sometimes if you'll be able to "stay nice" the whole time and not make a comment? > How do you deal with it if you do?> > ThanksTo send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2004 Report Share Posted April 7, 2004 Yes, Gig, I think your approach is wise. You know my fear is not that I would start lecturing anyone or get angry...my fear is simply that I get kind of melancholic and low-key when I see a hunk of meat around. I have had some fun, light experiences with my family, with good conversation and laughter. It's just harder to be light in mood sometimes when I see a huge piece of meat. When I say "I am not sure how to cope" what I mean is...will I be able to keep the party spirit? Will I be able to relax? Will I feel a part of things? I guess the last question is even more pertinent since I just reunited with half of my family...and I am not totally comfortable with them yet. Also, this particular event is more than 6 hours long. A few hours, yes, I can definitely "fake it until I make it" but with such a long event I am not so sure. Thanks for the thoughts Kristina In a message dated 4/7/04 3:08:12 AM Pacific Daylight Time, writes: Message: 1 Tue, 06 Apr 2004 12:43:20 -0000 "Michael Gig Coleman" <michaeleditsRe: Difficult situationI've been a vegetarian for about 10 years, and a vegan for less than a year. I've never had problems with other people eating meat at restaurants or at family gatherings, just as long as it's not in my home, cooking with my pots. In my house, people have to respect that I don't want dead animals being consumed. But in their houses, I respect their choice. My whole family has learned not to push meat on me, or I'll give them some very concrete, graphic reasons why I won't have it.But I don't get graphic with the kids. I'll answer their questions, but I don't try to sway them away from meat. Still, by being stalwart and honest, two of my nine nephews and nieces are now vegetarian. One is an only child, but the other is the oldest of four children in his household. I'm hoping he'll be a role model for his younger siblings.I am very comfortable with my convictions. I am also patient with others' lack of conviction (at least outwardly patient). As a result, at least some of the next generation of my family will stop killing animals.So, that's my perspective. Obviously it's not right for everyone, but it's worked for me.I'm also proud to say that I have a three-year-old girl who has never eaten meat and who has never worn leather or fur. (That has nothing to do with this discussion, but as I said, I'm proud. I guess I like to brag.)Gig , lv2breathe@a... wrote:> Hi everyone> > I have a different topic I need/want to post about. Some of you maybe > annoyed with me re: my other posts...so I understand if you don't want to comment. > I am sorry if I annoyed anyone prior...it wasn't my intention. If you feel > inspired to post, I'd appreciate it.> > Today I found out my sisters and their children will be celebrating Easter > with not only an Easter egg hunt but with HAM. My mother told me this...and I > was surprised at my reaction. The whole idea sickened me so much, mostly > because Easter and Christmas, in my eyes are holidays with positive and loving > feelings, that they would celebrate by eating a pig! A pig who is most probably a > live right now...awaiting to be slaughtered.> > I tolerate meat eating everyday (except in my own home)...just like you all > have to. And I usually don't make a big deal about it...but this bothered me > so much... to the point where I am not even sure I want to go. I admit my > family as a whole is already on shaky ground so that may have something to do with > it. I just know seeing the ham there will be depressing to me and I am not > sure I will be able to hide my feelings. Especially since I just saw > "Peaceable Kingdom". I was surprised how low my tolerance was for this...but yet, even > being aware of it I still can't help my feelings. I want to have my family > in my life and don't want to cause a big rift out of something like > this...obviously they have their own free will and they can choose what they want to eat. > Still, finding it hard to "let it go" and allow them to just be and to have > a smile on my face at the same time. This event is not around the block...I > will have to travel 2.5 hours with another my sister and her children...all > meat eaters...and then attend the party. So, in essence, I will be surrounded > with this for most of the day...without and escape and I am wondering how I > will cope.> > Part of my anger stems from the hypocrisy of the event. To me Easter and > Christmas are times where we express the best parts of ourselves...the goodness, > the generosity, the love, etc...and to enjoy eating a pig, who only days > before fought for it's life, is to me the exact opposite of the values the holiday > represents. Maybe I am just fed up with the clamoring of "peace, love and > joy" but no one making a real effort to make it real.> > Maybe I am making too much of a big deal. A part of me says "go" it will be > strengthening for my character...and good for family relations. Another part > of me wants to do something nicer on that day...like see the "Haute Dogs > Easter Parade" in my town. This is a sweet event.> > Anyways...do any of you feel anxiety before such events? Do you wonder > sometimes if you'll be able to "stay nice" the whole time and not make a comment? > How do you deal with it if you do?> > Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2004 Report Share Posted April 7, 2004 Hi Ioannis / Robin / everyone > I am vegan and I celebrate Christmas and Easter. The sense of celebrating Christmas and Easter is Christian and not a question of food. It is the salvation of the > human being from the sin and re-unification with God for everyone who wants. I also celebrate festivals which co-incide with the Christian ones... different religion, but no reason not to celelbrate just 'cos others are eating meat IMHO :-) BB Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2004 Report Share Posted April 8, 2004 Peter <metalscarab wrote: Hi Ioannis / Robin / everyone > I am vegan and I celebrate Christmas and Easter. The sense of celebrating Christmas and Easter is Christian and not a question of food. It is the salvation of the > human being from the sin and re-unification with God for everyone who wants. I also celebrate festivals which co-incide with the Christian ones... different religion, but no reason not to celelbrate just 'cos others are eating meat IMHO :-) BB PeterTo send an email to - Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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