Guest guest Posted May 7, 2004 Report Share Posted May 7, 2004 well said Simon!! for me it is also a way of life not just eating food we need another 2-4 billion Vegans if we are going to stop the suffering of animals and save the planet Craig To me, the differents between being vegan and meat-eater is the same as being civilized or savage. It's not something you take lightly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2004 Report Share Posted May 7, 2004 In a message dated 5/7/04 3:34:57 AM Pacific Daylight Time, writes: Thu, 6 May 2004 22:06:27 +0100 "Heartwork" <HeartworkRe: "Veganism got old"I know people who call themselves veggies or vegans and then eat fish once in a while 'because they need the protein'. I think the trouble is they give up eating meat and don't bother to find out what other protein they should/could be eating. Shows a lack of commitment, doesn't it.Jo That is exactly it, Jo, the committment level is not there. I could kind of tell when we were talking...that it just because it got "old". Maybe she wanted to fit in, who knows? Well, everyone has there choice. It's lonely being one of the very few who are bothered by chickens getting their beaks cut off and other atrocities...very lonely sometimes. One of you mentioned that you think of meat eaters as savages....I am not criticizing what you say at all. I often think that people who know what happens to animals but still do it aren't really very good people at all...because they are not moved by egregious suffering. But I tell you, when I have these thoughts it makes it harder to be close to my family because they all eat meat even after my telling them, at sometime in the past, what the effects are. I am wondering if it is better for my emotional health to just not think such things...if that is possible. Kristina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2004 Report Share Posted May 7, 2004 Yeah that is the solution in a sentence Craig!! For me ..before hearing about Veganism...I was asking that common question " what is wrong with the world..why the wars misery unhappiness" etc. The answer was in front of me all the time ( on my plate..in my hands). Yep time to spead the word!! Simon well said Simon!! for me it is also a way of life not just eating food we need another 2-4 billion Vegans if we are going to stop the suffering of animals and save the planet Craig To me, the differents between being vegan and meat-eater is the same as being civilized or savage. It's not something you take lightly. To send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2004 Report Share Posted May 7, 2004 Hi Fraggle Wel put. Jo fer some folks its just a fad, er somethin' they "go through"unfortunately to me, its akin to statin one day "ya know, i'm tired of carin fer my fellows, i think i'm goin to become racist"*shrug* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2004 Report Share Posted May 7, 2004 HI Kristina It always amazes me how people talk about eating meat and not caring about animals - and then they think I'm strange if I say that it would be no different to eat a person than an animal. Funny logic some people. Jo That is exactly it, Jo, the committment level is not there. I could kind of tell when we were talking...that it just because it got "old". Maybe she wanted to fit in, who knows? Well, everyone has there choice. It's lonely being one of the very few who are bothered by chickens getting their beaks cut off and other atrocities...very lonely sometimes. One of you mentioned that you think of meat eaters as savages....I am not criticizing what you say at all. I often think that people who know what happens to animals but still do it aren't really very good people at all...because they are not moved by egregious suffering. But I tell you, when I have these thoughts it makes it harder to be close to my family because they all eat meat even after my telling them, at sometime in the past, what the effects are. I am wondering if it is better for my emotional health to just not think such things...if that is possible. KristinaTo send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2004 Report Share Posted May 7, 2004 One of you mentioned that you think of meat eaters as savages....I am not criticizing what you say at all. I often think that people who know what happens to animals but still do it aren't really very good people at all...because they are not moved by egregious suffering. But I tell you, when I have these thoughts it makes it harder to be close to my family because they all eat meat even after my telling them, at sometime in the past, what the effects are. I am wondering if it is better for my emotional health to just not think such things...if that is possible.> I mentioned meat-eating as being savage because.... nothing constitute the basic behaviour of a savage more than meat-eating, thats my understanding anyway. I have 3 family members who eat meat...I don't hate them...I more pity them. Simon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2004 Report Share Posted May 8, 2004 In a message dated 5/8/04 6:36:56 AM Pacific Daylight Time, swpgh01 writes: D`oh! It just gets worse and worse. no kidding my lil chicken, Ede the egg lady(ok, she stopped laying eggs after her first 6), the amzing break dancin handicapable chicken died the other nite... i miss her so.... she use to come when i called would sit under my chair when i read outside... *tears* fraggle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2004 Report Share Posted May 8, 2004 hi all its also sad that nutritionists/dieticians are out of touch with the issue of protein intake and vegan/veggie diets......i had to see a dietician 2 years ago because of my diabetes, and i am sure she didnt realise the impact of her saying each time i visited her, " so you dont eat fish? " then she would say " oh dear " ...........now i was robust enough to know that her training and attitude was limiting her, and i didnt let it affect me diet......but her training was also very eurocentric, what about british people with religons such as hindu who are sometimes veggie??......... these people have a lot of power, and half of their advice is based on pure ignorance catherine >lv2breathe > > >CC: Lv2breathe > " Veganism got old " >Thu, 6 May 2004 14:58:19 EDT > >Hi there > >I had an interesting conversation yesterday. While walking my dog I came >across a neighbor who used to work at the health food store. We have been >friendly before and I was curious if she was a vegan or not. So after >chatting a >little bit I asked her if she is into the vegetarian thing. She said " I >used to >be vegan. I eat fish now. I was tired of not finding anything on >restaurant >menus. I was throwing up in the middle of the night due to too little >protein. My nutritionist said that I wasn't getting enough protein. The >diet got >old fast " . > >She asked me if I was veg...and I wasn't trying to show her up or >anything...but I told her, I have been veg for 18 years. I said it suited >me and I liked >it a lot. I left it at that. > >Although I am glad she doesn't eat factory farmed animals...the comments >kind >of bugged me. For me, it would take a lot for me to eat animals again. I >just can't or won't do it...my feelings over the suffering greatly outweigh >any >convenience or taste concerns I may have. Also, maybe I am lucky here, but >I >don't find it boring at all! I feel I could go a long time without even >repeating the same recipes...thankfully my personality is such that I don't >need >to do that. I barely have time to experiment with what I eat now. And as >for >the protein issue...I get plenty. I can say for certain protein is NOT a >problem. My hair and nails are strong...I just know, on an intuitive >level, I am >not lacking. I was skeptical of the throwing up thingy...I have never >heard >of protein deficiency causing nausea. > >I guess I can grant her one thing...it is harder to be more social in this >world if you are veg. It's probably harder to fit in at your >workplace...maybe >even harder to make friends. Who knows? And it's more inconvenient to eat >out at regular restaurants. Maybe this is what bugged her the most. > >Anyways...like I said before...if she only eats fish and more people did >that, I would rejoice because that would mean a lot less suffering. I >guess I was >just taken back by the values issue....some people like her and Drew >Barrymore are vegan until it " gets old " or it limits them too much. The >values >weren't really there in the first place. The last part I think is what >felt >discouraging. > >Just some thoughts. > >Kristina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2004 Report Share Posted May 8, 2004 Good grief Christina! I personally doubt that she was "throwing up in the night" because of a lack of protien. If she was vegetarian, what the hell was she eating?, didnt she have the common sense to do a little research before running to a nutritionist?If she had that ailment surely a doctor would have been the first port of call? and as for having little or no choice at restaurants, couldnt she ring ahead? It sounds as though it is a thin viel of excuses for wanting to eat fish! Can`t criticise her for that, after all its her choice, but I can criticise for lack of a good story! Ranting again, must be that half a bar of 70% cocoa chocolate I just consumed.......I`ll be high for hours! The Valley Vegan......lv2breathe wrote: Hi there I had an interesting conversation yesterday. While walking my dog I came across a neighbor who used to work at the health food store. We have been friendly before and I was curious if she was a vegan or not. So after chatting a little bit I asked her if she is into the vegetarian thing. She said "I used to be vegan. I eat fish now. I was tired of not finding anything on restaurant menus. I was throwing up in the middle of the night due to too little protein. My nutritionist said that I wasn't getting enough protein. The diet got old fast". She asked me if I was veg...and I wasn't trying to show her up or anything...but I told her, I have been veg for 18 years. I said it suited me and I liked it a lot. I left it at that. Although I am glad she doesn't eat factory farmed animals...the comments kind of bugged me. For me, it would take a lot for me to eat animals again. I just can't or won't do it...my feelings over the suffering greatly outweigh any convenience or taste concerns I may have. Also, maybe I am lucky here, but I don't find it boring at all! I feel I could go a long time without even repeating the same recipes...thankfully my personality is such that I don't need to do that. I barely have time to experiment with what I eat now. And as for the protein issue...I get plenty. I can say for certain protein is NOT a problem. My hair and nails are strong...I just know, on an intuitive level, I am not lacking. I was skeptical of the throwing up thingy...I have never heard of protein deficiency causing nausea. I guess I can grant her one thing...it is harder to be more social in this world if you are veg. It's probably harder to fit in at your workplace...maybe even harder to make friends. Who knows? And it's more inconvenient to eat out at regular restaurants. Maybe this is what bugged her the most. Anyways...like I said before...if she only eats fish and more people did that, I would rejoice because that would mean a lot less suffering. I guess I was just taken back by the values issue....some people like her and Drew Barrymore are vegan until it "gets old" or it limits them too much. The values weren't really there in the first place. The last part I think is what felt discouraging. Just some thoughts. KristinaTo send an email to - Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2004 Report Share Posted May 8, 2004 Come on Fraggle, The failure is not on your part, but on hers......cheer up. Go pick up those fury little legs, and pull up some greens! The Valley Vegan....... P.S. My wife eats animals, imagine how I feel!...and I havent got a garden big enough for vegies........and I`ve eaten all my chocky......In the words of the great Homer.. D`oh! It just gets worse and worse.EBbrewpunx wrote: fer some folks its just a fad, er somethin' they "go through"unfortunately to me, its akin to statin one day "ya know, i'm tired of carin fer my fellows, i think i'm goin to become racist"*shrug*as an aside..my now ex went from vegan to veg...why??cuz its "easier"like bein vegan is hardbut then again, she never really cared about animal rights er factory farmin anyways...egads..i feel like i failed now*sigh*fraggle To send an email to - Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2004 Report Share Posted May 8, 2004 hi peter i agree about ringing ahead.....being a vegan is a challenege and god thats what we humans enjoy, otherwise why would ever have ventured out of the primordial forest ?? i have not gone out recently and not found something to eat on a menu.....or if i know its gonna be really a challenge i eat first just in case!! its just a case of becoming more organised!! catherine >peter hurd <swpgh01 > > >Re: " Veganism got old " >Sat, 8 May 2004 13:59:57 +0100 (BST) > >Good grief Christina! >I personally doubt that she was " throwing up in the night " because of a >lack of protien. If she was vegetarian, what the hell was she eating?, >didnt she have the common sense to do a little research before running to >a nutritionist?If she had that ailment surely a doctor would have been the >first port of call? and as for having little or no choice at restaurants, >couldnt she ring ahead? It sounds as though it is a thin viel of excuses >for wanting to eat fish! Can`t criticise her for that, after all its her >choice, but I can criticise for lack of a good story! >Ranting again, must be that half a bar of 70% cocoa chocolate I just >consumed.......I`ll be high for hours! >The Valley Vegan...... > >lv2breathe wrote: >Hi there > >I had an interesting conversation yesterday. While walking my dog I came >across a neighbor who used to work at the health food store. We have been >friendly before and I was curious if she was a vegan or not. So after >chatting a little bit I asked her if she is into the vegetarian thing. She >said " I used to be vegan. I eat fish now. I was tired of not finding >anything on restaurant menus. I was throwing up in the middle of the night >due to too little protein. My nutritionist said that I wasn't getting >enough protein. The diet got old fast " . > >She asked me if I was veg...and I wasn't trying to show her up or >anything...but I told her, I have been veg for 18 years. I said it suited >me and I liked it a lot. I left it at that. > >Although I am glad she doesn't eat factory farmed animals...the comments >kind of bugged me. For me, it would take a lot for me to eat animals >again. I just can't or won't do it...my feelings over the suffering >greatly outweigh any convenience or taste concerns I may have. Also, maybe >I am lucky here, but I don't find it boring at all! I feel I could go a >long time without even repeating the same recipes...thankfully my >personality is such that I don't need to do that. I barely have time to >experiment with what I eat now. And as for the protein issue...I get >plenty. I can say for certain protein is NOT a problem. My hair and nails >are strong...I just know, on an intuitive level, I am not lacking. I was >skeptical of the throwing up thingy...I have never heard of protein >deficiency causing nausea. > >I guess I can grant her one thing...it is harder to be more social in this >world if you are veg. It's probably harder to fit in at your >workplace...maybe even harder to make friends. Who knows? And it's more >inconvenient to eat out at regular restaurants. Maybe this is what bugged >her the most. > >Anyways...like I said before...if she only eats fish and more people did >that, I would rejoice because that would mean a lot less suffering. I >guess I was just taken back by the values issue....some people like her and >Drew Barrymore are vegan until it " gets old " or it limits them too much. >The values weren't really there in the first place. The last part I think >is what felt discouraging. > >Just some thoughts. > >Kristina > > >To send an email to - > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2004 Report Share Posted May 8, 2004 It amazes me that people who can not work out good diets for every section of society are allowed to call themselves nutritionists. Jo > its also sad that nutritionists/dieticians are out of touch with the issue > of protein intake and vegan/veggie diets......i had to see a dietician 2 > years ago because of my diabetes, and i am sure she didnt realise the impact > of her saying each time i visited her, " so you dont eat fish? " then she > would say " oh dear " ...........now i was robust enough to know that her > training and attitude was limiting her, and i didnt let it affect me > diet......but her training was also very eurocentric, what about british > people with religons such as hindu who are sometimes veggie??......... > > these people have a lot of power, and half of their advice is based on pure > ignorance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2004 Report Share Posted May 8, 2004 Hi Peter I thought chocolate was calming! Jo Good grief Christina! I personally doubt that she was "throwing up in the night" because of a lack of protien. If she was vegetarian, what the hell was she eating?, didnt she have the common sense to do a little research before running to a nutritionist?If she had that ailment surely a doctor would have been the first port of call? and as for having little or no choice at restaurants, couldnt she ring ahead? It sounds as though it is a thin viel of excuses for wanting to eat fish! Can`t criticise her for that, after all its her choice, but I can criticise for lack of a good story! Ranting again, must be that half a bar of 70% cocoa chocolate I just consumed.......I`ll be high for hours! The Valley Vegan...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2004 Report Share Posted May 8, 2004 Hi Fraggle I'm sorry to hear about your chicken. Our little budgie died following an operation a few days ago, and we are very sad :-(. Let's have a virtual hug, we both need comforting. BBJo - EBbrewpunx Saturday, May 08, 2004 5:01 PM Re: "Veganism got old" In a message dated 5/8/04 6:36:56 AM Pacific Daylight Time, swpgh01 writes: D`oh! It just gets worse and worse.no kiddingmy lil chicken, Ede the egg lady(ok, she stopped laying eggs after her first 6), the amzing break dancin handicapable chicken died the other nite...:(i miss her so....she use to come when i calledwould sit under my chair when i read outside...*tears*fraggle To send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2004 Report Share Posted May 8, 2004 Interestingly, I find that the people I go out with (veg or not) take it as a fun personal challenge to find places that I can easily get something to eat. Many, many places have made me something not on the menu, too. She must not have very understanding friends. Sara , lv2breathe@a... wrote: <snip> > > I guess I can grant her one thing...it is harder to be more social > in this world if you are veg. It's probably harder to fit in at > your workplace...maybe even harder to make friends. Who knows? And > it's more inconvenient to eat out at regular restaurants. Maybe > this is what bugged her the most. > <snip> > > I guess I was just taken back by the values issue....some people > like her and Drew Barrymore are vegan until it " gets old " or it > limits them too much. The values weren't really there in the first > place. The last part I think is what felt discouraging. > > Just some thoughts. > > Kristina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2004 Report Share Posted May 9, 2004 Or dogs. That really gets to most people. Sara , " Heartwork " <Heartwork@o...> wrote: > HI Kristina > > It always amazes me how people talk about eating meat and not caring about animals - and then they think I'm strange if I say that it would be no different to eat a person than an animal. Funny logic some people. > > Jo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2004 Report Share Posted May 10, 2004 It sounds as though it is a thin viel of excuses for wanting to eat fish! Can`t criticise her for that, after all its her choice, while i'm far less apt to say so to anyone outside of vegan chat, i can and do criticize her for it. having been vegan, she's obviously aware of the suffering that goes on, and i critcize anyone for actively renouncing enlightenment and ceasing to care. ~~brii >peter hurd <swpgh01 > > >Re: "Veganism got old" >Sat, 8 May 2004 13:59:57 +0100 (BST) > >Good grief Christina! >I personally doubt that she was "throwing up in the night" because of a lack of protien. If she was vegetarian, what the hell was she eating?, didnt she have the common sense to do a little research before running to a nutritionist?If she had that ailment surely a doctor would have been the first port of call? and as for having little or no choice at restaurants, couldnt she ring ahead? It sounds as though it is a thin viel of excuses for wanting to eat fish! Can`t criticise her for that, after all its her choice, but I can criticise for lack of a good story! >Ranting again, must be that half a bar of 70% cocoa chocolate I just consumed.......I`ll be high for hours! >The Valley Vegan...... > >lv2breathe wrote: >Hi there > >I had an interesting conversation yesterday. While walking my dog I came across a neighbor who used to work at the health food store. We have been friendly before and I was curious if she was a vegan or not. So after chatting a little bit I asked her if she is into the vegetarian thing. She said "I used to be vegan. I eat fish now. I was tired of not finding anything on restaurant menus. I was throwing up in the middle of the night due to too little protein. My nutritionist said that I wasn't getting enough protein. The diet got old fast". > >She asked me if I was veg...and I wasn't trying to show her up or anything...but I told her, I have been veg for 18 years. I said it suited me and I liked it a lot. I left it at that. > >Although I am glad she doesn't eat factory farmed animals...the comments kind of bugged me. For me, it would take a lot for me to eat animals again. I just can't or won't do it...my feelings over the suffering greatly outweigh any convenience or taste concerns I may have. Also, maybe I am lucky here, but I don't find it boring at all! I feel I could go a long time without even repeating the same recipes...thankfully my personality is such that I don't need to do that. I barely have time to experiment with what I eat now. And as for the protein issue...I get plenty. I can say for certain protein is NOT a problem. My hair and nails are strong...I just know, on an intuitive level, I am not lacking. I was skeptical of the throwing up thingy...I have never heard of protein deficiency causing nausea. > >I guess I can grant her one thing...it is harder to be more social in this world if you are veg. It's probably harder to fit in at your workplace...maybe even harder to make friends. Who knows? And it's more inconvenient to eat out at regular restaurants. Maybe this is what bugged her the most. > >Anyways...like I said before...if she only eats fish and more people did that, I would rejoice because that would mean a lot less suffering. I guess I was just taken back by the values issue....some people like her and Drew Barrymore are vegan until it "gets old" or it limits them too much. The values weren't really there in the first place. The last part I think is what felt discouraging. > >Just some thoughts. > >Kristina > > >To send an email to - > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2004 Report Share Posted May 10, 2004 i had an appointment with my nutritionist last week, and this time she told me that i should try and eat meat. "maybe try organic meat...it's not the same as eating just any kind of meat." she wants me to test it out and see if it makes me feel any differently. I told her that for my next appointment i will have to call her because I got a new jobs and don't know my hours, so i couldn't make the appointment there. I'm going to find a new nutritionist. She doesn't know much at all about veganism anyways, she hardly helped me. -SamanthaCatherine Harris <cait2 wrote: hi allits also sad that nutritionists/dieticians are out of touch with the issue of protein intake and vegan/veggie diets......i had to see a dietician 2 years ago because of my diabetes, and i am sure she didnt realise the impact of her saying each time i visited her, "so you dont eat fish?" then she would say "oh dear"...........now i was robust enough to know that her training and attitude was limiting her, and i didnt let it affect me diet......but her training was also very eurocentric, what about british people with religons such as hindu who are sometimes veggie??.........these people have a lot of power, and half of their advice is based on pure ignorancecatherine>lv2breathe > >CC: Lv2breathe "Veganism got old">Thu, 6 May 2004 14:58:19 EDT>>Hi there>>I had an interesting conversation yesterday. While walking my dog I came>across a neighbor who used to work at the health food store. We have been>friendly before and I was curious if she was a vegan or not. So after >chatting a>little bit I asked her if she is into the vegetarian thing. She said "I >used to>be vegan. I eat fish now. I was tired of not finding anything on >restaurant>menus. I was throwing up in the middle of the night due to too little>protein. My nutritionist said that I wasn't getting enough protein. The >diet got>old fast".>>She asked me if I was veg...and I wasn't trying to show her up or>anything...but I told her, I have been veg for 18 years. I said it suited >me and I liked>it a lot. I left it at that.>>Although I am glad she doesn't eat factory farmed animals...the comments >kind>of bugged me. For me, it would take a lot for me to eat animals again. I>just can't or won't do it...my feelings over the suffering greatly outweigh >any>convenience or taste concerns I may have. Also, maybe I am lucky here, but >I>don't find it boring at all! I feel I could go a long time without even>repeating the same recipes...thankfully my personality is such that I don't >need>to do that. I barely have time to experiment with what I eat now. And as >for>the protein issue...I get plenty. I can say for certain protein is NOT a>problem. My hair and nails are strong...I just know, on an intuitive >level, I am>not lacking. I was skeptical of the throwing up thingy...I have never >heard>of protein deficiency causing nausea.>>I guess I can grant her one thing...it is harder to be more social in this>world if you are veg. It's probably harder to fit in at your >workplace...maybe>even harder to make friends. Who knows? And it's more inconvenient to eat>out at regular restaurants. Maybe this is what bugged her the most.>>Anyways...like I said before...if she only eats fish and more people did>that, I would rejoice because that would mean a lot less suffering. I >guess I was>just taken back by the values issue....some people like her and Drew>Barrymore are vegan until it "gets old" or it limits them too much. The >values>weren't really there in the first place. The last part I think is what >felt>discouraging.>>Just some thoughts.>>Kristina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2004 Report Share Posted May 10, 2004 Meat would make it worse anyway I reckon - takes longer to digest and has more toxins to deal with. Just when you need help you get a twat! Try taking some vitamin B tablets while you are sorting out your diet. Echinacea might help with the mono too. It would be worth trying. Jo i had an appointment with my nutritionist last week, and this time she told me that i should try and eat meat. "maybe try organic meat...it's not the same as eating just any kind of meat." she wants me to test it out and see if it makes me feel any differently. I told her that for my next appointment i will have to call her because I got a new jobs and don't know my hours, so i couldn't make the appointment there. I'm going to find a new nutritionist. She doesn't know much at all about veganism anyways, she hardly helped me. -Samantha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2004 Report Share Posted May 10, 2004 that's atrocious and very ignorant. yuck. good luck in finding a more helpful person; there certainly is a better way. ~~brii >Samantha Demers <SamADemers > > >RE: "Veganism got old" >Mon, 10 May 2004 09:10:28 -0700 (PDT) > >i had an appointment with my nutritionist last week, and this time she told me that i should try and eat meat. "maybe try organic meat...it's not the same as eating just any kind of meat." she wants me to test it out and see if it makes me feel any differently. I told her that for my next appointment i will have to call her because I got a new jobs and don't know my hours, so i couldn't make the appointment there. I'm going to find a new nutritionist. She doesn't know much at all about veganism anyways, she hardly helped me. >-Samantha > >Catherine Harris <cait2 wrote: >hi all > >its also sad that nutritionists/dieticians are out of touch with the issue >of protein intake and vegan/veggie diets......i had to see a dietician 2 >years ago because of my diabetes, and i am sure she didnt realise the impact >of her saying each time i visited her, "so you dont eat fish?" then she >would say "oh dear"...........now i was robust enough to know that her >training and attitude was limiting her, and i didnt let it affect me >diet......but her training was also very eurocentric, what about british >people with religons such as hindu who are sometimes veggie??......... > >these people have a lot of power, and half of their advice is based on pure >ignorance > >catherine > > > >lv2breathe > > > > > >CC: Lv2breathe > > "Veganism got old" > >Thu, 6 May 2004 14:58:19 EDT > > > >Hi there > > > >I had an interesting conversation yesterday. While walking my dog I came > >across a neighbor who used to work at the health food store. We have been > >friendly before and I was curious if she was a vegan or not. So after > >chatting a > >little bit I asked her if she is into the vegetarian thing. She said "I > >used to > >be vegan. I eat fish now. I was tired of not finding anything on > >restaurant > >menus. I was throwing up in the middle of the night due to too little > >protein. My nutritionist said that I wasn't getting enough protein. The > >diet got > >old fast". > > > >She asked me if I was veg...and I wasn't trying to show her up or > >anything...but I told her, I have been veg for 18 years. I said it suited > >me and I liked > >it a lot. I left it at that. > > > >Although I am glad she doesn't eat factory farmed animals...the comments > >kind > >of bugged me. For me, it would take a lot for me to eat animals again. I > >just can't or won't do it...my feelings over the suffering greatly outweigh > >any > >convenience or taste concerns I may have. Also, maybe I am lucky here, but > >I > >don't find it boring at all! I feel I could go a long time without even > >repeating the same recipes...thankfully my personality is such that I don't > >need > >to do that. I barely have time to experiment with what I eat now. And as > >for > >the protein issue...I get plenty. I can say for certain protein is NOT a > >problem. My hair and nails are strong...I just know, on an intuitive > >level, I am > >not lacking. I was skeptical of the throwing up thingy...I have never > >heard > >of protein deficiency causing nausea. > > > >I guess I can grant her one thing...it is harder to be more social in this > >world if you are veg. It's probably harder to fit in at your > >workplace...maybe > >even harder to make friends. Who knows? And it's more inconvenient to eat > >out at regular restaurants. Maybe this is what bugged her the most. > > > >Anyways...like I said before...if she only eats fish and more people did > >that, I would rejoice because that would mean a lot less suffering. I > >guess I was > >just taken back by the values issue....some people like her and Drew > >Barrymore are vegan until it "gets old" or it limits them too much. The > >values > >weren't really there in the first place. The last part I think is what > >felt > >discouraging. > > > >Just some thoughts. > > > >Kristina > > > > > >To send an email to - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2004 Report Share Posted May 10, 2004 Hi to all, Bravo ladies! I am very glad to hear that you stick to your diet. I have been a vegetarian since birth. My forefathers 3000 years ago were veggie. We were taught that if cow eats grass, and men eat cow, he is eating a by-product of grass. In case of a chicken, chicken its grain, why can't we eat grain directly, instead of eating by-product of grain. One has life in it and one is dead. Eat something that has life in it. My doctor is an American Jewish doctor, a meat eater, of course. He told me that I do not have to change anything in my diet. My blood test is always normal. I believe that we get enough protein from beans, lentils, some vegetables, rice etc. So far no one has done a study on how much daily protein our body requires. Now I am trying to be raw. I am raw for a month now. I occasionally eat cooked food. take care. Atul --- fartybriivismeisteranushead ta-da! <phytoscarfingsimianpod wrote: that's atrocious and very ignorant. yuck. good luck in finding a more helpful person; there certainly is a better way. ~~brii >Samantha Demers <SamADemers > > >RE: " Veganism got old " >Mon, 10 May 2004 09:10:28 -0700 (PDT) > >i had an appointment with my nutritionist last week, and this time she told me that i should try and eat meat. " maybe try organic meat...it's not the same as eating just any kind of meat. " she wants me to test it out and see if it makes me feel any differently. I told her that for my next appointment i will have to call her because I got a new jobs and don't know my hours, so i couldn't make the appointment there. I'm going to find a new nutritionist. She doesn't know much at all about veganism anyways, she hardly helped me. >-Samantha > >Catherine Harris <cait2 wrote: >hi all > >its also sad that nutritionists/dieticians are out of touch with the issue >of protein intake and vegan/veggie diets......i had to see a dietician 2 >years ago because of my diabetes, and i am sure she didnt realise the impact >of her saying each time i visited her, " so you dont eat fish? " then she >would say " oh dear " ...........now i was robust enough to know that her >training and attitude was limiting her, and i didnt let it affect me >diet......but her training was also very eurocentric, what about british >people with religons such as hindu who are sometimes veggie??......... > >these people have a lot of power, and half of their advice is based on pure >ignorance > >catherine > > > >lv2breathe > > > > > >CC: Lv2breathe > > " Veganism got old " > >Thu, 6 May 2004 14:58:19 EDT > > > >Hi there > > > >I had an interesting conversation yesterday. While walking my dog I came > >across a neighbor who used to work at the health food store. We have been > >friendly before and I was curious if she was a vegan or not. So after > >chatting a > >little bit I asked her if she is into the vegetarian thing. She said " I > >used to > >be vegan. I eat fish now. I was tired of not finding anything on > >restaurant > >menus. I was throwing up in the middle of the night due to too little > >protein. My nutritionist said that I wasn't getting enough protein. The > >diet got > >old fast " . > > > >She asked me if I was veg...and I wasn't trying to show her up or > >anything...but I told her, I have been veg for 18 years. I said it suited > >me and I liked > >it a lot. I left it at that. > > > >Although I am glad she doesn't eat factory farmed animals...the comments > >kind > >of bugged me. For me, it would take a lot for me to eat animals again. I > >just can't or won't do it...my feelings over the suffering greatly outweigh > >any > >convenience or taste concerns I may have. Also, maybe I am lucky here, but > >I > >don't find it boring at all! I feel I could go a long time without even > >repeating the same recipes...thankfully my personality is such that I don't > >need > >to do that. I barely have time to experiment with what I eat now. And as > >for > >the protein issue...I get plenty. I can say for certain protein is NOT a > >problem. My hair and nails are strong...I just know, on an intuitive > >level, I am > >not lacking. I was skeptical of the throwing up thingy...I have never > >heard > >of protein deficiency causing nausea. > > > >I guess I can grant her one thing...it is harder to be more social in this > >world if you are veg. It's probably harder to fit in at your > >workplace...maybe > >even harder to make friends. Who knows? And it's more inconvenient to eat > >out at regular restaurants. Maybe this is what bugged her the most. > > > >Anyways...like I said before...if she only eats fish and more people did > >that, I would rejoice because that would mean a lot less suffering. I > >guess I was > >just taken back by the values issue....some people like her and Drew > >Barrymore are vegan until it " gets old " or it limits them too much. The > >values > >weren't really there in the first place. The last part I think is what > >felt > >discouraging. > > > >Just some thoughts. > > > >Kristina > > > > > >To send an email to - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2004 Report Share Posted May 10, 2004 go to a different nutritionist>>> Meat is Murder for both the animal and for you the Vegan diet cannot be beaten for health I have been vegetarian for 20 out of the the last 27 years and vegan for the last 3 during the 7 years I did eat organic meat (tasted better I guess) but I felt the same as I did eating any other meat bad I did it because I was convinced to do so well never again Vegan diet I feel great and that is that all the best Craig fartybriivismeisteranushead ta-da! [phytoscarfingsimianpod]Tuesday, May 11, 2004 3:48 AM Subject: RE: "Veganism got old" that's atrocious and very ignorant. yuck. good luck in finding a more helpful person; there certainly is a better way. ~~brii >Samantha Demers <SamADemers > > >RE: "Veganism got old" >Mon, 10 May 2004 09:10:28 -0700 (PDT) > >i had an appointment with my nutritionist last week, and this time she told me that i should try and eat meat. "maybe try organic meat...it's not the same as eating just any kind of meat." she wants me to test it out and see if it makes me feel any differently. I told her that for my next appointment i will have to call her because I got a new jobs and don't know my hours, so i couldn't make the appointment there. I'm going to find a new nutritionist. She doesn't know much at all about veganism anyways, she hardly helped me. >-Samantha > >Catherine Harris <cait2 wrote: >hi all > >its also sad that nutritionists/dieticians are out of touch with the issue >of protein intake and vegan/veggie diets......i had to see a dietician 2 >years ago because of my diabetes, and i am sure she didnt realise the impact >of her saying each time i visited her, "so you dont eat fish?" then she >would say "oh dear"...........now i was robust enough to know that her >training and attitude was limiting her, and i didnt let it affect me >diet......but her training was also very eurocentric, what about british >people with religons such as hindu who are sometimes veggie??......... > >these people have a lot of power, and half of their advice is based on pure >ignorance > >catherine > > > >lv2breathe > > > > > >CC: Lv2breathe > > "Veganism got old" > >Thu, 6 May 2004 14:58:19 EDT > > > >Hi there > > > >I had an interesting conversation yesterday. While walking my dog I came > >across a neighbor who used to work at the health food store. We have been > >friendly before and I was curious if she was a vegan or not. So after > >chatting a > >little bit I asked her if she is into the vegetarian thing. She said "I > >used to > >be vegan. I eat fish now. I was tired of not finding anything on > >restaurant > >menus. I was throwing up in the middle of the night due to too little > >protein. My nutritionist said that I wasn't getting enough protein. The > >diet got > >old fast". > > > >She asked me if I was veg...and I wasn't trying to show her up or > >anything...but I told her, I have been veg for 18 years. I said it suited > >me and I liked > >it a lot. I left it at that. > > > >Although I am glad she doesn't eat factory farmed animals...the comments > >kind > >of bugged me. For me, it would take a lot for me to eat animals again. I > >just can't or won't do it...my feelings over the suffering greatly outweigh > >any > >convenience or taste concerns I may have. Also, maybe I am lucky here, but > >I > >don't find it boring at all! I feel I could go a long time without even > >repeating the same recipes...thankfully my personality is such that I don't > >need > >to do that. I barely have time to experiment with what I eat now. And as > >for > >the protein issue...I get plenty. I can say for certain protein is NOT a > >problem. My hair and nails are strong...I just know, on an intuitive > >level, I am > >not lacking. I was skeptical of the throwing up thingy...I have never > >heard > >of protein deficiency causing nausea. > > > >I guess I can grant her one thing...it is harder to be more social in this > >world if you are veg. It's probably harder to fit in at your > >workplace...maybe > >even harder to make friends. Who knows? And it's more inconvenient to eat > >out at regular restaurants. Maybe this is what bugged her the most. > > > >Anyways...like I said before...if she only eats fish and more people did > >that, I would rejoice because that would mean a lot less suffering. I > >guess I was > >just taken back by the values issue....some people like her and Drew > >Barrymore are vegan until it "gets old" or it limits them too much. The > >values > >weren't really there in the first place. The last part I think is what > >felt > >discouraging. > > > >Just some thoughts. > > > >Kristina > > > > > >To send an email to - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2004 Report Share Posted May 11, 2004 - " atul patel " <archipat2001 Monday, May 10, 2004 9:51 PM RE: " Veganism got old " > Hi to all, > > Bravo ladies! I am very glad to hear that you stick to > your diet. I have been a vegetarian since birth. My > forefathers 3000 years ago were veggie. Hi, It's a pity that some many have strayed away from our forefathers ways. Simon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2004 Report Share Posted May 11, 2004 thanx i was outside waterin the garden yesterday, and without thinkin started fillin her water bowl.. when i realized wot i was doin i about lost it... blah fraggle Fraggle, Sorry for your loss, maybe there are other little needy chickoos you could give a home to? Its amazing the excuses some farmers give to end the lives of their chickens, its just too much effort to find a new home for them. Its just their mindset. Hope you find a new feathered friend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2004 Report Share Posted May 11, 2004 Fraggle, Sorry for your loss, maybe there are other little needy chickoos you could give a home to? Its amazing the excuses some farmers give to end the lives of their chickens, its just too much effort to find a new home for them. Its just their mindset. Hope you find a new feathered friend. The Valley Vegan....EBbrewpunx wrote: In a message dated 5/8/04 6:36:56 AM Pacific Daylight Time, swpgh01 writes: D`oh! It just gets worse and worse.no kiddingmy lil chicken, Ede the egg lady(ok, she stopped laying eggs after her first 6), the amzing break dancin handicapable chicken died the other nite...:(i miss her so....she use to come when i calledwould sit under my chair when i read outside...*tears*fraggle To send an email to - Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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