Guest guest Posted May 27, 2004 Report Share Posted May 27, 2004 the perennial beer question ok..here's the deal.. in the UK, their is something called cask condition beer... traditionally..to finish it/fine it/filter it, they used something called isinglass...fish bladders... the isinglass is put in the cask, and it allows the yeast, proteins, etc and so forth to adhere to its surface and drop out of the solution In the US..it is VERY rarely used... most american brewers, both the nasty big bois and the microbrewers use a variety of other filtering methods, like plate and filter, DME, etc.. er you don't have to filter it at all..that yeast is nutritious... Canada and most of thw world is pretty much in the same boat the easiest thing to do..stay away from Cask conditioned ales... if yer in a brewpub er the like..ask... write to the brewer... most of em are MORE then happy to natter away on how, who, when they brew... as fer those lists that float around the web, ferget em, they are soooo horribly inaccurate and out of date... as fer wine, again, its england that is mostly the problem...most american wines if they filter use bentonite, a clay... cheers fraggle psybermus writes: In one of the last couple of digests I vaguely recall someone mentioning beer. I know many/most vegans don't drink wine because of the filtering process - which is a problem with some but not all beers too, I understand. But I also understand that there are many beers that are okay for vegans to drink (from a *vegan* perspective, that is ;=)) since no animal products are involved in the process of making them at all. Am I correct? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2004 Report Share Posted May 27, 2004 In one of the last couple of digests I vaguely recall someone mentioning beer. I know many/most vegans don't drink wine because of the filtering process - which is a problem with some but not all beers too, I understand. But I also understand that there are many beers that are okay for vegans to drink (from a *vegan* perspective, that is ;=)) since no animal products are involved in the process of making them at all. Am I correct? Hoping it's okay ;=) I prefer wine with a meal out, but can feel relatively happy if I can substitute beer. Always something, isn't there? Best, Pat in Montreal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2004 Report Share Posted May 28, 2004 Bentonite clay? That's the stuff I use to clean out my gunky pores. Yum! Love, Anna >EBbrewpunx > > >Re: Re: About Beer >Thu, 27 May 2004 09:18:04 EDT > >the perennial beer question > >ok..here's the deal.. >in the UK, their is something called cask condition beer... >traditionally..to finish it/fine it/filter it, they used something called >isinglass...fish bladders... >the isinglass is put in the cask, and it allows the yeast, proteins, etc >and >so forth to adhere to its surface and drop out of the solution >In the US..it is VERY rarely used... >most american brewers, both the nasty big bois and the microbrewers use a >variety of other filtering methods, like plate and filter, DME, etc.. >er you don't have to filter it at all..that yeast is nutritious... >Canada and most of thw world is pretty much in the same boat >the easiest thing to do..stay away from Cask conditioned ales... >if yer in a brewpub er the like..ask... >write to the brewer... >most of em are MORE then happy to natter away on how, who, when they >brew... >as fer those lists that float around the web, ferget em, they are soooo >horribly inaccurate and out of date... > >as fer wine, again, its england that is mostly the problem...most american >wines if they filter use bentonite, a clay... >cheers >fraggle > > >psybermus writes: > > In one of the last couple of digests I vaguely recall > > someone mentioning beer. I know many/most vegans don't > > drink wine because of the filtering process - which is > > a problem with some but not all beers too, I > > understand. But I also understand that there are many > > beers that are okay for vegans to drink (from a > > *vegan* perspective, that is ;=)) since no animal > > products are involved in the process of making them at > > all. Am I correct? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2004 Report Share Posted May 28, 2004 In a message dated 5/28/04 6:36:36 AM Pacific Daylight Time, psybermus writes: And France, Italy? Are they like the UK too? (She whimpered, frantically grasping at vegan straws.) the UK is about the soul user of isinglass nowadays..tho, not fer certain about the baltic states... its an english tradition as fer wine...got me....i'm not as hip on the wine front.... simple solution...look fer organic wines.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2004 Report Share Posted May 28, 2004 And France, Italy? Are they like the UK too? (She whimpered, frantically grasping at vegan straws.) Pat in Montreal >>>as fer wine, again, its england that is mostly the problem...most american wines if they filter use bentonite, a clay... Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Messenger. http://messenger./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2004 Report Share Posted May 28, 2004 Yep, you have to look out for isinglass. Most people don't know that beer and wine has fish bladders. It's hard to find unfiltered beer and wine, but they are out there. There's some great web links that list vegan beers and wines. Jack Truman Jack Truman for Congress U.S. Congress Democratic Candidate 7th District Southwest Missouri 417-398-2800 http://trumanforcongress.tripod.com EBbrewpunx wrote: In a message dated 5/28/04 6:36:36 AM Pacific Daylight Time, psybermus writes: And France, Italy? Are they like the UK too? (Shewhimpered, frantically grasping at vegan straws.)the UK is about the soul user of isinglass nowadays..tho, not fer certain about the baltic states...its an english traditionas fer wine...got me....i'm not as hip on the wine front....simple solution...look fer organic wines.... To send an email to - Jack Truman Jack Truman, Vegan for Congress U.S. Congressional Candidate Southwest Missouri 7th District (417) 398-2800 http://trumanforcongress.tripod.com Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Messenger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2004 Report Share Posted May 28, 2004 actually...its quite easy to find beer without isinglass, at least in the states just stay away from english cask condioned beers.... most american breweries stay away from it....only a few use it, and the are mostly trying to copy an english style... if in doubt, ASK!!! as fer unfiltered beer..heck..go fer anything with yeast in the bottom of the bottle..a good hefeweizen sounds in order... , Jack Truman <equalitarian2003> wrote: > Yep, you have to look out for isinglass. Most people don't know that beer and wine has fish bladders. It's hard to find unfiltered beer and wine, but they are out there. There's some great web links that list vegan beers and wines. > > > > Jack Truman > > Jack Truman for Congress > U.S. Congress Democratic Candidate > 7th District Southwest Missouri > 417-398-2800 > http://trumanforcongress.tripod.com > > > EBbrewpunx@c... wrote: > In a message dated 5/28/04 6:36:36 AM Pacific Daylight Time, psybermus writes: > > And France, Italy? Are they like the UK too? (She > whimpered, frantically grasping at vegan straws.) > the UK is about the soul user of isinglass nowadays..tho, not fer certain about the baltic states... > its an english tradition > as fer wine...got me....i'm not as hip on the wine front.... > simple solution...look fer organic wines.... > > > To send an email to - > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2004 Report Share Posted May 29, 2004 Thanks for all the reassuring noises. It is as I thought about beer - and about wine too (siggghhh). I used to have a link to 'safe' beers, wines and spirits, but alas new computer (lovely tho) and new links still building. I'll go search re the wine. Gotta have a glass of that - or at least the promise of one ;=) - now and then. Well, maybe not *gotta* there's no 'gotta' about any of this stuff, but it is nice very nice ;=) Best, Pat in Montreal Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Messenger. http://messenger./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2004 Report Share Posted May 30, 2004 In a message dated 5/30/2004 5:26:32 PM Pacific Daylight Time, archipat2001 writes: Hi guys, Is it ok for a vegetarian or vegan to drink alchol? I am curious because my parents ome from a state called Gujarat, India, they do not have any alcohol sjops there. Almost whole state is vegetarian. So there has to be some connection between veggies and alchol. Does anybody know about this? Thanks. Atul Beer has yeast in it. some vegans dont approve of comsuming yeast becuase it is made from living active organisms. heart,jen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2004 Report Share Posted May 31, 2004 Hi guys, Is it ok for a vegetarian or vegan to drink alchol? I am curious because my parents ome from a state called Gujarat, India, they do not have any alcohol sjops there. Almost whole state is vegetarian. So there has to be some connection between veggies and alchol. Does anybody know about this? Thanks. Atulpsyber mus <psybermus wrote: Thanks for all the reassuring noises. It is as Ithought about beer - and about wine too (siggghhh). Iused to have a link to 'safe' beers, wines andspirits, but alas new computer (lovely tho) and newlinks still building. I'll go search re the wine.Gotta have a glass of that - or at least the promiseof one ;=) - now and then. Well, maybe not *gotta*there's no 'gotta' about any of this stuff, but it isnice very nice ;=)Best,Pat in Montreal Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Messenger.http://messenger./ To send an email to - Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Messenger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2004 Report Share Posted May 31, 2004 Hi Atul > Is it ok for a vegetarian or vegan to drink alchol? I am curious because my parents ome from a state called Gujarat, India, they do not have any alcohol sjops > there. Almost whole state is vegetarian. So there has to be some connection between veggies and alchol. Does anybody know about this? Pretty much the same as any other food... some alcoholic drinks are OK, others are not. Fraggle's the expert on beer, and he'll be able to tell you exactly what is and isn't vegan. In Europe very little wine is OK, so it's best to go for the stuff labelled as vegetarian wine... although I would have thought that this would be different in India? I'm not particularly well up on the religious make up of areas of India, but if it's a laregely Islamic area, then there'd be unlikely to be alcohol on sale as Muslims don't drink alcohol. BB Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2004 Report Share Posted May 31, 2004 Hi Atul Islinglass( fish bladder)is used in the fining process of some beers and wines, even bulls blood is still used in some spanish wines. My understanding is some alchol drinks are suitible for vegans..a few years ok I had a list from the Vegan Society. Simon Is it ok for a vegetarian or vegan to drink alchol? I am curious because my parents ome from a state called Gujarat, India, they do not have any alcohol sjops there. Almost whole state is vegetarian. So there has to be some connection between veggies and alchol. Does anybody know about this? Thanks. Atul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2004 Report Share Posted June 1, 2004 Fraggle, Pointing the finger at England again?, France is probably the worst for Isinglas and blood filtering of wines...... The Valley Vegan....EBbrewpunx wrote: the perennial beer questionok..here's the deal..in the UK, their is something called cask condition beer...traditionally..to finish it/fine it/filter it, they used something called isinglass...fish bladders...the isinglass is put in the cask, and it allows the yeast, proteins, etc and so forth to adhere to its surface and drop out of the solutionIn the US..it is VERY rarely used...most american brewers, both the nasty big bois and the microbrewers use a variety of other filtering methods, like plate and filter, DME, etc..er you don't have to filter it at all..that yeast is nutritious...Canada and most of thw world is pretty much in the same boatthe easiest thing to do..stay away from Cask conditioned ales...if yer in a brewpub er the like..ask...write to the brewer...most of em are MORE then happy to natter away on how, who, when they brew...as fer those lists that float around the web, ferget em, they are soooo horribly inaccurate and out of date...as fer wine, again, its england that is mostly the problem...most american wines if they filter use bentonite, a clay...cheersfragglepsybermus writes: In one of the last couple of digests I vaguely recallsomeone mentioning beer. I know many/most vegans don'tdrink wine because of the filtering process - which isa problem with some but not all beers too, Iunderstand. But I also understand that there are manybeers that are okay for vegans to drink (from a*vegan* perspective, that is ;=)) since no animalproducts are involved in the process of making them atall. Am I correct?To send an email to - Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2004 Report Share Posted June 1, 2004 unless we suddenly developed ways of eating rocks, everything we eat is/was a living organism yeast is a member of the fungus family(at least tiday it is..then tend to reclassify it a lot).. there is no one reason why some vegans don't drink fer some, its a continuation of the whole "body discipline" thing.... Beer has yeast in it. some vegans dont approve of comsuming yeast becuase it is made from living active organisms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2004 Report Share Posted June 1, 2004 *scratches head* i'm not up on french beers and isinglass...you don't get a whole lot of french beers over here anyways...maybe fischer and very rarey krounenborg...but...not my style of brew anyways... but, i still stand by my word that english beers are suspect.... especially anything cask conditioned.. stick with something like samuel smiths..i think only one of their beers(old bitter i think) isn't vegan..and ya can't find that one on this side of the pond anyways... and, fer all you other yanks scratchin yer noggins over "cask condition"..its a traditional way of servin beer in great britain,..you'll sometimes find it here in the colonies, but it isn't very prevalent...and its hit er miss if someone serving it here will be using isinglass.... while, if you see a cask conditioned pint in england, there's a damn good chance its not fer us.... Pointing the finger at England again?, France is probably the worst for Isinglas and blood filtering of wines...... The Valley Vegan.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2004 Report Share Posted June 1, 2004 In a message dated 6/1/2004 7:36:16 AM Pacific Daylight Time, EBbrewpunx writes: unless we suddenly developed ways of eating rocks, everything we eat is/was a living organismyeast is a member of the fungus family(at least tiday it is..then tend to reclassify it a lot)..there is no one reason why some vegans don't drinkfer some, its a continuation of the whole "body discipline" thing.... I really have no idea. I use yeast in baking, every one of my vegan cookbooks calls for yeast. But I do know 3 vegan people who drink and dont drink beer with yeast or whatever in it. Its interesting but beyond me. heart,jen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2004 Report Share Posted June 1, 2004 Hi Fraggle & All > there is no one reason why some vegans don't drink Personally, I don't drink 'cos I hate getting drunk, and don't much like the taste of alcoholic drinks... nothing at all to do with veganism. BB Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2004 Report Share Posted June 1, 2004 Hi Fraggle > i'm not up on french beers and isinglass...you don't get a whole lot of french beers over here anyways... That's 'cos they've re-named them Freedom Beers :-) BB Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2004 Report Share Posted June 1, 2004 In a message dated 6/1/04 1:35:02 PM Pacific Daylight Time, xjenisveganx writes: But I do know 3 vegan people who drink and dont drink beer with yeast or whatever in it. Its interesting but beyond me. *blinks* they drink..but don't drink beer with yeast in it??? now thats confusing.... by that logic, ya can go to mcdeathburger and order a royale with cheese, toss the burger and cheese, and just eat the pickle.... ya can't have beer without yeast(nor wine nor anything fermented).... in most beer its just removed(fined, centrifuged away, er filtered)... its technically *safer* to drink a beer that still has yeast in it, then ya know someone didn't dump isinglass in it... and my oh my..did i imbibe a lot of yeast this weekend... anyone seen my liver..i think it fled in a panic ugh fraggle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2004 Report Share Posted June 2, 2004 In a message dated 6/2/04 6:34:52 AM Pacific Daylight Time, psybermus writes: Last I heard it had gone singing down the road arm in arm with mine. traitorous liver.... in other news i think i broke my leg hurrah!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2004 Report Share Posted June 2, 2004 saving orphaned baby deer from giant pacific lumber bulldozers??? ok..i tripped in the garden when my foot got caught in the fence designed to keep the ex's dog out of my plants... smacked my knee into a 2 x 8" plank and then proceeded to lay there fer awhile...drooling into the dirt... and is it broke?? i'm just making the assumption..i've cracked my patella and tibia before...seems to feel the same.. that and my bowling ball sized knee gave me an inkling i broke somethin'... wheeeeeee someone wanna give me a fraggleback ride to the postoffice?? riding my motorcycle seems a bit out of the question at the moment... What have you been up to now??? And how come it's only "think"... isn't it fairly obvious when you break a leg??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2004 Report Share Posted June 2, 2004 >and my oh my..did i imbibe a lot of yeast this weekend... anyone seen my liver..i think it fled in a panic Last I heard it had gone singing down the road arm in arm with mine. Pat in Montreal ;=) Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Messenger. http://messenger./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2004 Report Share Posted June 2, 2004 In a message dated 6/2/04 12:17:23 PM Pacific Daylight Time, gagrip5 writes: Wow! Your life is some kind of trama-rama. Hope you feel better soon. I am sure vegans heal faster ya would think i'd be use to it by now *sigh* que sera sera.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2004 Report Share Posted June 2, 2004 Hi Fraggle > in other news> i think i broke my leg What have you been up to now??? And how come it's only "think"... isn't it fairly obvious when you break a leg??? BB Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2004 Report Share Posted June 2, 2004 Oh Fraggle! I hope it gets better quickly. I hurt my knee several years ago (bowling ball size) and it still plays up fairly regularly. Jo - EBbrewpunx Wednesday, June 02, 2004 5:10 PM Re: Re: About Beer saving orphaned baby deer from giant pacific lumber bulldozers???ok..i tripped in the garden when my foot got caught in the fence designed to keep the ex's dog out of my plants...smacked my knee into a 2 x 8" plankand then proceeded to lay there fer awhile...drooling into the dirt...and is it broke?? i'm just making the assumption..i've cracked my patella and tibia before...seems to feel the same..that and my bowling ball sized knee gave me an inkling i broke somethin'...wheeeeeeesomeone wanna give me a fraggleback ride to the postoffice?? riding my motorcycle seems a bit out of the question at the moment... What have you been up to now??? And how come it's only "think"... isn't it fairly obvious when you break a leg???To send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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