Guest guest Posted May 29, 2004 Report Share Posted May 29, 2004 In a message dated 5/29/04 2:18:13 AM Pacific Daylight Time, writes: Message: 10 Fri, 28 May 2004 12:02:39 EDT EBbrewpunxSubject: Re: Re: Round up friends to buy BK veggie burgerswhile i admire yer goodness in givin out food to those who look hungry/are without, etc..i fer one can never ever eat at one of those places..ever again...as a kid, i of course luved em...it seemed like the greatest thing in the universe...but...i haven't been inside a mcdonalds er their ilk in..gawd...16 yrs? 18yrs??..something like that..imo, fast food restuarants are a pariah..a disease...i loathe them..and everything they gleefully stand for.it still bugs the livin sh*t out of me when vegans and veggies harp constantly about not being able to go out where everyone else does....yes, it is horrible to have to search fer a place you can actually eat at, without resorting to a plate of limp iceburg lettuce and olive oil..but..methinks we put waaaaaaay toooo much emphasis on tryin to fit in and be like everyone else, and have the same things everyone else does...i'm sorry..i can't support the scum suckin leech maggots of mcdeathburger et al, even if they do come out with something geared toward *us*..if you buy their overprocessed garbage, you are still buying into their game plan, supporting their bloated earth raping corporation, which still serves billions of pounds of seared dead flesh every year...to me, its like if the nazi's had decided that, ok, we'll put up some curtains in the barracks fer the jews/gypsies/whomever else they decied to lock up, and let them have a smidge more food, and had them beautify their work camps..while behind them the smokestacks still belched their death into the air..see..everything better...those stormtroopers aren't sooo bad..they made life a little better fer those prisoners over there...see..they got a flower pot..no no no..pay no attention to those smokestacks and the cries of the dead..they are just pining for the fjords...*rolls eyes*as far as i'm concerned, and again, this is just my lil ol thoughts, they don't mean a whole hill of old tofu in reality...but...even if murder king and mcdeathburger suddenly announced tomorrow that their whole menu would go vegan(hurrah!), i couldn't trust em, wouldn't trust em....even if they came out with this whole "healthy" menu..ITS STILL THEM!!! ..sure, maybe its a vegan burger..yum yum..but it would be produced by the same soul less mega corp whose main goal apparantly is to spread its uniform blandness throughout the McWorld, it would still be a tasteless burger filled with tons of unneeded chemicals, from GMO grain harvested from fields covered in pesticides that had once been rainforests...the burger would be some cardboard overprocessed piece of garbage laden with presevatives and stuck on some glutonous air puffed stale bun that had to be shipped upteen billion miles, the lettuce would have come from some flippin monsanto owned labor camp in central america and spray painted with green dye #72, etc and so forth..they'd find a way to turn something good er better into some heinous evil bent twisted disaster, because THAT IS WOT THEY ARE!..they can't help it..its their corporate mission...they would just as happily blanket the world in vegan mcdonalds if that was where they could make $$$..but it would be some monstrous thing, *vegan* only in name,,,,sorry..to me, vegan isn't just about not eatin animals*shrug*everyone is different...and we all take it to different levels...it is IMPOSSIBLE to be totally vegan and live in western society...something, somewhere died under that road tarmac you drove over today, etc and so forth...its all on where you want to take it...where you go..its a personal journey..some vegans happily eat lays potato chips and Subway sandwiches all day...others go raw..its all up to you...sure..i eat the pseudo meats..and bacchus help me, i'm sure i'm tossin money down the gullet of some evil cow killin corporation along the way...i'm not perfect..never ever said that..i'm got faults a mile wide, and those are the smaller ones...in this day and age, it seems most of the smaller vegan food companies(er clothes, er..) get swallowed up whole by some other corporation...i'm sure Silk soymilk looks good in the portfolio of Dean foods, right next to their slaughterhouses and dairy factory farms....i understand the argument PETA and others make..about showin the world how good our food can be, about makin it easily accessible, about makin little changes in the way *they* do business...i just don't buy into em..i can't..something inside me screams its wrong somehow...sorry...its just hard fer me i guess..why do *we* have to be like them???why do *we* have to join in their reindeer games??screw it..forge yer own path...ya know..sometimes i can't help but think, we don't need em..as they go about in their gas snorting SUV's, toolin down the road on their way to Mcdeathburger, singin the "i'm lovin it" song from the commercial..is that the future of veganism??to be just another commodity in their consumerist world? another number on the accountants spread sheet???is that all there is???fraggle*go eat a piece of fruit!* ***************** I totally feel the intensity of your feeling here. And I admire your commitment to your values. This is what I wonder: Does it do us, the movement and animals much good to be so purist in a less than pure world? We can hold our breath till the cows come home for a fast food place that only has organic food, pays it's workers a living wage, doesn't waste paper, and is vegan all at the same time...but realistically, is it wise to pass up this opportunity to spread veggie eating to hold out for a morally perfect fast food eating establishment? I think we may be waiting an awful long time and meanwhile all those people who regularly go to fast food places will not have a choice or be exposed to a different way of eating. This is what I think: Until there is another alternative, a vegan fastfood place like a Mr. Goodburgers, this is all we have for fast food. Now, I don't eat fast food, but we can't deny that much of the population relies on it. For me if it's the choice of no veggie burgers offered at BK or veggie burgers I choose the later because it is a change and it does expose the fast fooders a choice...a choice they may like and a choice they may have not ever made because they never go to veggie restaurants as a rule or can't afford it or don't feel comfortable. I believe in being realistic to what is possible and doable. Having a veggie burger at BK is also more egalitarian in a way because it makes veggie food available to everyone not just to those who are hip/wealthy/in the know enough to go to veggie restaurants or to the local Whole Foods (by the way, in many communities there are NO health food stores...so little options for them!). Burger King will provide that option for those who do not have such opportunities. Actually we have one fast food veggie place here in So. California...but it's all the way in Pasadena. I love it...it's totally delightful. They sell soy shakes and wheat grass shots, and delicious restaurant style vegan burgers, and "air fried" fries. But they have only moderate success...next door is a McD's and another fast food across the street. Many people are not open to going to a veg restaurant but they might be open to eating a BK veggie burger and for this reason I am for it. I am hoping Mr. Goodburgers will arrive fairly soon. Once they do I would push this option over the big guys. But until then I am glad the big guys are offering this one little nugget of veggie food. Kristina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2004 Report Share Posted May 29, 2004 hi fraggle i wholeheartedly agree.....as i walk past all the people eating out in my area....i think i am glad i have something tasty and fresh at home waiting, or i am going to make.....i know whats in it, its cheaper and i am not addicted to extra fat and sugar that eating out brings us!! catherine >lv2breathe > > >CC: Lv2breathe > Re:Round up friends to buy BK veggie burgers >Sat, 29 May 2004 10:35:40 EDT > >In a message dated 5/29/04 2:18:13 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > writes: >Message: 10 > Fri, 28 May 2004 12:02:39 EDT > EBbrewpunx >Re: Re: Round up friends to buy BK veggie burgers > >while i admire yer goodness in givin out food to those who look hungry/are >without, etc..i fer one can never ever eat at one of those places..ever >again... >as a kid, i of course luved em...it seemed like the greatest thing in the >universe... >but...i haven't been inside a mcdonalds er their ilk in..gawd...16 yrs? >18yrs??..something like that.. > >imo, fast food restuarants are a pariah..a disease...i loathe them..and >everything they gleefully stand for. >it still bugs the livin sh*t out of me when vegans and veggies harp >constantly about not being able to go out where everyone else does....yes, >it >is >horrible to have to search fer a place you can actually eat at, without >resorting to >a plate of limp iceburg lettuce and olive oil..but..methinks we put >waaaaaaay >toooo much emphasis on tryin to fit in and be like everyone else, and have >the same things everyone else does... >i'm sorry..i can't support the scum suckin leech maggots of mcdeathburger >et >al, even if they do come out with something geared toward *us*..if you buy >their overprocessed garbage, you are still buying into their game plan, >supporting their bloated earth raping corporation, which still serves >billions of >pounds of seared dead flesh every year... >to me, its like if the nazi's had decided that, ok, we'll put up some >curtains in the barracks fer the jews/gypsies/whomever else they decied to >lock up, >and let them have a smidge more food, and had them beautify their work >camps..while behind them the smokestacks still belched their death into the >air..see..everything better...those stormtroopers aren't sooo bad..they >made >life a >little better fer those prisoners over there...see..they got a flower >pot..no >no >no..pay no attention to those smokestacks and the cries of the dead..they >are >just pining for the fjords... >*rolls eyes* >as far as i'm concerned, and again, this is just my lil ol thoughts, they >don't mean a whole hill of old tofu in reality...but...even if murder king >and >mcdeathburger suddenly announced tomorrow that their whole menu would go >vegan(hurrah!), i couldn't trust em, wouldn't trust em....even if they came >out with >this whole " healthy " menu..ITS STILL THEM!!! ..sure, maybe its a vegan >burger..yum yum..but it would be produced by the same soul less mega corp >whose main >goal apparantly is to spread its uniform blandness throughout the McWorld, >it >would still be a tasteless burger filled with tons of unneeded chemicals, >from >GMO grain harvested from fields covered in pesticides that had once been >rainforests...the burger would be some cardboard overprocessed piece of >garbage >laden with presevatives and stuck on some glutonous air puffed stale bun >that >had to be shipped upteen billion miles, the lettuce would have come from >some >flippin monsanto owned labor camp in central america and spray painted with >green dye #72, etc and so forth..they'd find a way to turn something good >er >better into some heinous evil bent twisted disaster, because THAT IS WOT >THEY >ARE!.. >they can't help it..its their corporate mission...they would just as >happily >blanket the world in vegan mcdonalds if that was where they could make >$$$..but it would be some monstrous thing, *vegan* only in name,,,, >sorry..to me, vegan isn't just about not eatin animals >*shrug* >everyone is different... >and we all take it to different levels... >it is IMPOSSIBLE to be totally vegan and live in western >society...something, >somewhere died under that road tarmac you drove over today, etc and so >forth... >its all on where you want to take it...where you go..its a personal >journey..some vegans happily eat lays potato chips and Subway sandwiches >all >day...others go raw..its all up to you... >sure..i eat the pseudo meats..and bacchus help me, i'm sure i'm tossin >money >down the gullet of some evil cow killin corporation along the way...i'm not >perfect..never ever said that..i'm got faults a mile wide, and those are >the >smaller ones... >in this day and age, it seems most of the smaller vegan food companies(er >clothes, er..) get swallowed up whole by some other corporation...i'm sure >Silk >soymilk looks good in the portfolio of Dean foods, right next to their >slaughterhouses and dairy factory farms.... >i understand the argument PETA and others make..about showin the world how >good our food can be, about makin it easily accessible, about makin little >changes in the way *they* do business... >i just don't buy into em..i can't..something inside me screams its wrong >somehow... >sorry...its just hard fer me i guess.. >why do *we* have to be like them??? >why do *we* have to join in their reindeer games?? >screw it..forge yer own path... >ya know..sometimes i can't help but think, we don't need em..as they go >about >in their gas snorting SUV's, toolin down the road on their way to >Mcdeathburger, singin the " i'm lovin it " song from the commercial.. >is that the future of veganism?? >to be just another commodity in their consumerist world? >another number on the accountants spread sheet??? >is that all there is??? > >fraggle >*go eat a piece of fruit!* >***************** > >I totally feel the intensity of your feeling here. And I admire your >commitment to your values. This is what I wonder: Does it do us, the >movement and >animals much good to be so purist in a less than pure world? We can hold >our >breath till the cows come home for a fast food place that only has organic >food, pays it's workers a living wage, doesn't waste paper, and is vegan >all at >the same time...but realistically, is it wise to pass up this opportunity >to >spread veggie eating to hold out for a morally perfect fast food eating >establishment? I think we may be waiting an awful long time and meanwhile >all those >people who regularly go to fast food places will not have a choice or be >exposed >to a different way of eating. > >This is what I think: Until there is another alternative, a vegan fastfood >place like a Mr. Goodburgers, this is all we have for fast food. Now, I >don't >eat fast food, but we can't deny that much of the population relies on it. >For >me if it's the choice of no veggie burgers offered at BK or veggie burgers >I >choose the later because it is a change and it does expose the fast fooders >a >choice...a choice they may like and a choice they may have not ever made >because they never go to veggie restaurants as a rule or can't afford it or >don't >feel comfortable. I believe in being realistic to what is possible and >doable. >Having a veggie burger at BK is also more egalitarian in a way because it >makes veggie food available to everyone not just to those who are >hip/wealthy/in >the know enough to go to veggie restaurants or to the local Whole Foods (by >the way, in many communities there are NO health food stores...so little >options >for them!). Burger King will provide that option for those who do not have >such opportunities. > >Actually we have one fast food veggie place here in So. California...but >it's >all the way in Pasadena. I love it...it's totally delightful. They sell >soy >shakes and wheat grass shots, and delicious restaurant style vegan >burgers, >and " air fried " fries. But they have only moderate success...next door is >a >McD's and another fast food across the street. Many people are not open to >going to a veg restaurant but they might be open to eating a BK veggie >burger >and for this reason I am for it. > >I am hoping Mr. Goodburgers will arrive fairly soon. Once they do I would >push this option over the big guys. But until then I am glad the big guys >are >offering this one little nugget of veggie food. > >Kristina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2004 Report Share Posted May 30, 2004 A good proportion of the vegetarian restaurants I have been to actually serve up very healthy meals - the best being the Riverside Vegetaria with meals that are cooked healthily with no added salt etc. In my experience, it is only the vegetarian restaurants that seem to worry about providing healthy food. Jo > i wholeheartedly agree.....as i walk past all the people eating out in my > area....i think i am glad i have something tasty and fresh at home waiting, > or i am going to make.....i know whats in it, its cheaper and i am not > addicted to extra fat and sugar that eating out brings us!! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2004 Report Share Posted May 30, 2004 i dunno... fer one..i'm not a purist... i live in the city... my food has to be trucked upteen billion miles..even if i do try to eat organic and eat local, and have a tiny garden plot, et al but... does it actually pay to have *veggie* food at a monster earth raping corp, if they do the exact same thing they do with everything else??? if Mcdeathburger sells a burger we can eat, and is healthier la la al, is it really a step forward if they are still maintaining all their other business practices ? they are still anti-union, they still truck their over-processed food to the ends of the earth, they still foster a world view where everything is monotony and the same, where everything is about CONSUMING as much as possible as fast as possible..supersize me baby, add those triglycerides and dough conditioners.. sorry..like i said over and over, this is just my opinion everyone is a free individual(whether they see it er not) and follows their own life path, and must forge their own way... but.. fer me I HATE FAST FOOD i hate everything about it its just me i just can't stand the whole concept i loathe the cookie cutter everything exactly the same stoopid little uniforms corporate consumerist monstrosity and everything it represents... the world has enough problems without the brainchild of ray croc and all those little marketeers out there tellin me that i need to eat this thing, now, cuz you are tellin me this, over and over and over again, to eat some freakin potato grown a zillion miles away from me, laced with chemicals, pesticides, fungicides, and fertlizers, sent to some processing plant, where it is sliced, dized, and reformed into some perfect shape (well, thats wot the marketers tell em is the correct shape/size), doused with salt and more chemicals, and then shipped to some distant store in their far flung empire where its cooked in a vat of oil by some underpaid bored brat..and i'm suppose to be thankful i get to partake in this modern wonder and be glad and think it a victory if they stop adding beef tallow?? sorry.. but fuck them to me(and again, this is just me ranting..just the foul detrius flowing from my wee mind..and i've slept like 8 hrs in the last several days, sooo..take that into account as well), it seems sooo wrong when vegans/veggies etc clamour to have something made available to them at these fast food machines why bother??? get rid of the idea all together in my mind.... like things aren't fast enough as it is?? would you like someone to chew the food for you also and just spit the semi-digested goo down yer gullet??? oooh...and you can a worthless plastic toy as well!!! oh happy day.... anyone who travels to Rome, er wotever, and goes to eat at a mcdonalds, deserves to be run over by a vespa and chased by angry mobs waving bats made out of pasta.... fraggle I totally feel the intensity of your feeling here. And I admire your commitment to your values. This is what I wonder: Does it do us, the movement and animals much good to be so purist in a less than pure world? We can hold our breath till the cows come home for a fast food place that only has organic food, pays it's workers a living wage, doesn't waste paper, and is vegan all at the same time...but realistically, is it wise to pass up this opportunity to spread veggie eating to hold out for a morally perfect fast food eating establishment? I think we may be waiting an awful long time and meanwhile all those people who regularly go to fast food places will not have a choice or be exposed to a different way of eating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2004 Report Share Posted May 31, 2004 Fraggle, you really are the best. I agree with you 100% about going to Fast-food so for those of us who have made the lifetime commitment this really isn't an issue. but for all those poor slobs who wouldn't know a soybean if it bit them..... well maybe McYewwllll will be a small step forward. as for the slave labour and the rest well I guess the road to Vegan is a long one for those who eat at McYuck. all the best Craig EBbrewpunx [EBbrewpunx]Monday, May 31, 2004 12:13 AM Subject: Re: Re:Round up friends to buy BK veggie burgersI dunno...fer one..i'm not a purist...i live in the city...my food has to be trucked upteen billion miles..even if i do try to eat organic and eat local, and have a tiny garden plot, et albut...does it actually pay to have *veggie* food at a monster earth raping corp, if they do the exact same thing they do with everything else???if Mcdeathburger sells a burger we can eat, and is healthier la la al, is it really a step forward if they are still maintaining all their other business practices ? they are still anti-union, they still truck their over-processed food to the ends of the earth, they still foster a world view where everything is monotony and the same, where everything is about CONSUMING as much as possible as fast as possible..supersize me baby, add those triglycerides and dough conditioners..sorry..like i said over and over, this is just my opinioneveryone is a free individual(whether they see it er not) and follows their own life path, and must forge their own way...but..fer meI HATE FAST FOODi hate everything about itits just mei just can't stand the whole concepti loathe the cookie cutter everything exactly the same stoopid little uniforms corporate consumerist monstrosity and everything it represents...the world has enough problems without the brainchild of ray croc and all those little marketeers out there tellin me that i need to eat this thing, now, cuz you are tellin me this, over and over and over again, to eat some freakin potato grown a zillion miles away from me, laced with chemicals, pesticides, fungicides, and fertlizers, sent to some processing plant, where it is sliced, dized, and reformed into some perfect shape (well, thats wot the marketers tell em is the correct shape/size), doused with salt and more chemicals, and then shipped to some distant store in their far flung empire where its cooked in a vat of oil by some underpaid bored brat..and i'm suppose to be thankful i get to partake in this modern wonder and be glad and think it a victory if they stop adding beef tallow??sorry..butfuck themto me(and again, this is just me ranting..just the foul detrius flowing from my wee mind..and i've slept like 8 hrs in the last several days, sooo..take that into account as well), it seems sooo wrong when vegans/veggies etc clamour to have something made available to them at these fast food machineswhy bother???get rid of the idea all together in my mind....like things aren't fast enough as it is??would you like someone to chew the food for you also and just spit the semi-digested goo down yer gullet???oooh...and you can a worthless plastic toy as well!!! oh happy day....anyone who travels to Rome, er wotever, and goes to eat at a mcdonalds, deserves to be run over by a vespa and chased by angry mobs waving bats made out of pasta....fraggle I totally feel the intensity of your feeling here. And I admire your commitment to your values. This is what I wonder: Does it do us, the movement and animals much good to be so purist in a less than pure world? We can hold our breath till the cows come home for a fast food place that only has organic food, pays it's workers a living wage, doesn't waste paper, and is vegan all at the same time...but realistically, is it wise to pass up this opportunity to spread veggie eating to hold out for a morally perfect fast food eating establishment? I think we may be waiting an awful long time and meanwhile all those people who regularly go to fast food places will not have a choice or be exposed to a different way of eating.To send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You are posting as a guest. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.