supporting BK in their BK Veggie burgers

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I know I know. And I know I am in the minority here in my viewpoint. But I think it's sad...we are going to waste a huge opportunity to make vegan food more "mainstream" because of our attitude. If the veggie burgers fail, don't think the big corps will put the energy to put it out there again...they won't of course, because they will just assume that no one wants it. And would that be good for our society as a whole? Or the people who have little choices in their own neighborhood? Or the people who have had the unfortunate situation as to never being exposed to veggie foods? (there are lots of them) We will have no one but ourselves to blame for this if it happens. No one else.

 

I don't think supporting one item on their menu is going to make any difference as to how "rapicious" they are on iota...but if sales are decent on this one veggie tiem, it may even encourage them to create more vegan and healthy foods which, in turn, will make them less evil in the first place.

 

What a wasted opportunity.

 

K

 

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In a message dated 5/31/04 2:24:34 AM Pacific Daylight Time, writes:

Message: 4 Sun, 30 May 2004 12:12:51 EDT EBbrewpunxSubject: Re: Re:Round up friends to buy BK veggie burgersi dunno...fer one..i'm not a purist...i live in the city...my food has to be trucked upteen billion miles..even if i do try to eat organic and eat local, and have a tiny garden plot, et albut...does it actually pay to have *veggie* food at a monster earth raping corp, if they do the exact same thing they do with everything else???if Mcdeathburger sells a burger we can eat, and is healthier la la al, is it really a step forward if they are still maintaining all their other business practices ? they are still anti-union, they still truck their over-processed food to the ends of the earth, they still foster a world view where everything is monotony and the same, where everything is about CONSUMING as much as possible as fast as possible..supersize me baby, add those triglycerides and dough conditioners..sorry..like i said over and over, this is just my opinioneveryone is a free individual(whether they see it er not) and follows their own life path, and must forge their own way...but..fer meI HATE FAST FOODi hate everything about itits just mei just can't stand the whole concepti loathe the cookie cutter everything exactly the same stoopid little uniforms corporate consumerist monstrosity and everything it represents...the world has enough problems without the brainchild of ray croc and all those little marketeers out there tellin me that i need to eat this thing, now, cuz you are tellin me this, over and over and over again, to eat some freakin potato grown a zillion miles away from me, laced with chemicals, pesticides, fungicides, and fertlizers, sent to some processing plant, where it is sliced, dized, and reformed into some perfect shape (well, thats wot the marketers tell em is the correct shape/size), doused with salt and more chemicals, and then shipped to some distant store in their far flung empire where its cooked in a vat of oil by some underpaid bored brat..and i'm suppose to be thankful i get to partake in this modern wonder and be glad and think it a victory if they stop adding beef tallow??sorry..butfuck themto me(and again, this is just me ranting..just the foul detrius flowing from my wee mind..and i've slept like 8 hrs in the last several days, sooo..take that into account as well), it seems sooo wrong when vegans/veggies etc clamour to have something made available to them at these fast food machineswhy bother???get rid of the idea all together in my mind....like things aren't fast enough as it is??would you like someone to chew the food for you also and just spit the semi-digested goo down yer gullet???oooh...and you can a worthless plastic toy as well!!! oh happy day....anyone who travels to Rome, er wotever, and goes to eat at a mcdonalds, deserves to be run over by a vespa and chased by angry mobs waving bats made out of pasta....fraggle> I totally feel the intensity of your feeling here. And I admire your > commitment to your values. This is what I wonder: Does it do us, the movement > and animals much good to be so purist in a less than pure world? We can hold > our breath till the cows come home for a fast food place that only has organic > food, pays it's workers a living wage, doesn't waste paper, and is vegan all > at the same time...but realistically, is it wise to pass up this opportunity > to spread veggie eating to hold out for a morally perfect fast food eating > establishment? I think we may be waiting an awful long time and meanwhile all > those people who regularly go to fast food places will not have a choice or > be exposed to a different way of eating.>

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I agree it's better then havn't no veggie burger on the menu

at these fast food places.

 

In many years there could be a turn around in there practices.

 

Simon

 

I know I know. And I know I am in the minority here in my

viewpoint. But I think it's sad...we are going to waste a

huge opportunity to make vegan food more " mainstream " because

of our attitude. If the veggie burgers fail, don't think the

big corps will put the energy to put it out there

again...they won't of course, because they will just assume

that no one wants it. And would that be good for our society

as a whole? Or the people who have little choices in their

own neighborhood? Or the people who have had the unfortunate

situation as to never being exposed to veggie foods? (there

are lots of them) We will have no one but ourselves to

blame for this if it happens. No one else.

 

I don't think supporting one item on their menu is going to

make any difference as to how " rapicious " they are on

iota...but if sales are decent on this one veggie tiem, it

may even encourage them to create more vegan and healthy

foods which, in turn, will make them less evil in the first

place.

 

What a wasted opportunity.

[Guest guest]

Although I have never been in a MacDonalds (well, only to use the loo) I can see the point you are making. I do know some veggies who would like that because their friends go to MacDonalds, and at least they can eat with them. I'm not sure whether anyone who is not a veggie would actually try the veggie burgers though.

 

Jo

 

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lv2breathe

Cc: Lv2breathe

Monday, May 31, 2004 3:32 PM

Re: supporting BK in their BK Veggie burgers

 

 

I know I know. And I know I am in the minority here in my viewpoint. But I think it's sad...we are going to waste a huge opportunity to make vegan food more "mainstream" because of our attitude. If the veggie burgers fail, don't think the big corps will put the energy to put it out there again...they won't of course, because they will just assume that no one wants it. And would that be good for our society as a whole? Or the people who have little choices in their own neighborhood? Or the people who have had the unfortunate situation as to never being exposed to veggie foods? (there are lots of them) We will have no one but ourselves to blame for this if it happens. No one else.

 

I don't think supporting one item on their menu is going to make any difference as to how "rapicious" they are on iota...but if sales are decent on this one veggie tiem, it may even encourage them to create more vegan and healthy foods which, in turn, will make them less evil in the first place.

 

What a wasted opportunity.

 

K

 

*********

 

In a message dated 5/31/04 2:24:34 AM Pacific Daylight Time, writes:

Message: 4 Sun, 30 May 2004 12:12:51 EDT EBbrewpunxSubject: Re: Re:Round up friends to buy BK veggie burgersi dunno...fer one..i'm not a purist...i live in the city...my food has to be trucked upteen billion miles..even if i do try to eat organic and eat local, and have a tiny garden plot, et albut...does it actually pay to have *veggie* food at a monster earth raping corp, if they do the exact same thing they do with everything else???if Mcdeathburger sells a burger we can eat, and is healthier la la al, is it really a step forward if they are still maintaining all their other business practices ? they are still anti-union, they still truck their over-processed food to the ends of the earth, they still foster a world view where everything is monotony and the same, wh! ere everything is about CONSUMING as much as possible as fast as possible..supersize me baby, add those triglycerides and dough conditioners..sorry..like i said over and over, this is just my opinioneveryone is a free individual(whether they see it er not) and follows their own life path, and must forge their own way...but..fer meI HATE FAST FOODi hate everything about itits just mei just can't stand the whole concepti loathe the cookie cutter everything exactly the same stoopid little uniforms corporate consumerist monstrosity and everything it represents...the world has enough problems without the brainchild of ray croc and all those little marketeers out there tellin me that i need to eat this thing, now, cuz you are tellin me this, over and over and over again, to eat some freakin potato grown a zillion miles away from me, laced with chemicals, pesticides, fungicides, and fertlizers, sent to some p! rocessing plant, where it is sliced, dized, and reformed into some perfect shape (well, thats wot the marketers tell em is the correct shape/size), doused with salt and more chemicals, and then shipped to some distant store in their far flung empire where its cooked in a vat of oil by some underpaid bored brat..and i'm suppose to be thankful i get to partake in this modern wonder and be glad and think it a victory if they stop adding beef tallow??sorry..butfuck themto me(and again, this is just me ranting..just the foul detrius flowing from my wee mind..and i've slept like 8 hrs in the last several days, sooo..take that into account as well), it seems sooo wrong when vegans/veggies etc clamour to have something made available to them at these fast food machineswhy bother???get rid of the idea all together in my mind....like things aren't fast enough as it is??would you like someone to chew the food! for you also and just spit the semi-digested goo down yer gullet???oooh...and you can a worthless plastic toy as well!!! oh happy day....anyone who travels to Rome, er wotever, and goes to eat at a mcdonalds, deserves to be run over by a vespa and chased by angry mobs waving bats made out of pasta....fraggle> I totally feel the intensity of your feeling here. And I admire your > commitment to your values. This is what I wonder: Does it do us, the movement > and animals much good to be so purist in a less than pure world? We can hold > our breath till the cows come home for a fast food place that only has organic > food, pays it's workers a living wage, doesn't waste paper, and is vegan all > at the same time...but realistically, is it wise to pass up this opportunity > to spread veggie eating to hold out for a morally perfect fast food eating > establishme! nt? I think we may be waiting an awful long time and meanwhile all > those people who regularly go to fast food places will not have a choice or > be exposed to a different way of eating.>

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i didn't comment on this because i had already composed that huge "reward companies for their advancements" thing when we held the debate about maximmarketing. however, i think it's also worthy to note that while it's probably healthier (and definitely easier on your spirits!) to have no desire to eat fast or mainstream food and to enjoy making your own,....i am a total lazy-ass. i hate cooking and i hate not being able to mash a quick bite into my face on my way to an early competition, or during a shopping trip, or other various time-budgeted fun-runs. veganism would be way more pervasive if greasy, popular foods were available for us to eat when we aren't home in our kitchen or between noon and 4 p.m. when the health food store's open. i don't eat at mcdonald's and i am still very conscious of the rampant earth-raping, but, if that's our concern, there are plenty of other environmentally murderous groups to go after (granted, mcdonald's is right up there). i always sneer at the pesticides and the lack of organic foods, but that's the case almost anywhere. improvement is a painfully slow process.~~brii

>"Heartwork" <Heartwork > > >Re: Re: supporting BK in their BK Veggie burgers >Mon, 31 May 2004 16:59:47 +0100 > >Although I have never been in a MacDonalds (well, only to use the loo) I can see the point you are making. I do know some veggies who would like that because their friends go to MacDonalds, and at least they can eat with them. I'm not sure whether anyone who is not a veggie would actually try the veggie burgers though. > >Jo > - > lv2breathe > > Cc: Lv2breathe > Monday, May 31, 2004 3:32 PM > Re: supporting BK in their BK Veggie burgers > > > I know I know. And I know I am in the minority here in my viewpoint. But I think it's sad...we are going to waste a huge opportunity to make vegan food more "mainstream" because of our attitude. If the veggie burgers fail, don't think the big corps will put the energy to put it out there again...they won't of course, because they will just assume that no one wants it. And would that be good for our society as a whole? Or the people who have little choices in their own neighborhood? Or the people who have had the unfortunate situation as to never being exposed to veggie foods? (there are lots of them) We will have no one but ourselves to blame for this if it happens. No one else. > > I don't think supporting one item on their menu is going to make any difference as to how "rapicious" they are on iota...but if sales are decent on this one veggie tiem, it may even encourage them to create more vegan and healthy foods which, in turn, will make them less evil in the first place. > > What a wasted opportunity. > > K > > ********* > > In a message dated 5/31/04 2:24:34 AM Pacific Daylight Time, writes: > Message: 4 > Sun, 30 May 2004 12:12:51 EDT > EBbrewpunx > Re: Re:Round up friends to buy BK veggie burgers > > i dunno... > fer one..i'm not a purist... > i live in the city... > my food has to be trucked upteen billion miles..even if i do try to eat > organic and eat local, and have a tiny garden plot, et al > but... > does it actually pay to have *veggie* food at a monster earth raping corp, if > they do the exact same thing they do with everything else??? > if Mcdeathburger sells a burger we can eat, and is healthier la la al, is it > really a step forward if they are still maintaining all their other business > practices ? they are still anti-union, they still truck their over-processed > food to the ends of the earth, they still foster a world view where everything > is monotony and the same, wh! ere everything is about CONSUMING as much as > possible as fast as possible..supersize me baby, add those triglycerides and dough > conditioners.. > > sorry..like i said over and over, this is just my opinion > everyone is a free individual(whether they see it er not) and follows their > own life path, and must forge their own way... > but.. > fer me > I HATE FAST FOOD > i hate everything about it > its just me > i just can't stand the whole concept > i loathe the cookie cutter everything exactly the same stoopid little > uniforms corporate consumerist monstrosity and everything it represents... > the world has enough problems without the brainchild of ray croc and all > those little marketeers out there tellin me that i need to eat this thing, now, > cuz you are tellin me this, over and over and over again, to eat some freakin > potato grown a zillion miles away from me, laced with chemicals, pesticides, > fungicides, and fertlizers, sent to some p! rocessing plant, where it is sliced, > dized, and reformed into some perfect shape (well, thats wot the marketers tell > em is the correct shape/size), doused with salt and more chemicals, and then > shipped to some distant store in their far flung empire where its cooked in a > vat of oil by some underpaid bored brat..and i'm suppose to be thankful i get > to partake in this modern wonder and be glad and think it a victory if they > stop adding beef tallow?? > sorry.. > but > fuck them > to me(and again, this is just me ranting..just the foul detrius flowing from > my wee mind..and i've slept like 8 hrs in the last several days, sooo..take > that into account as well), it seems sooo wrong when vegans/veggies etc clamour > to have something made available to them at these fast food machines > why bother??? > get rid of the idea all together in my mind.... > like things aren't fast enough as it is?? > would you like someone to chew the food! for you also and just spit the > semi-digested goo down yer gullet??? > oooh...and you can a worthless plastic toy as well!!! oh happy day.... > > anyone who travels to Rome, er wotever, and goes to eat at a mcdonalds, > deserves to be run over by a vespa and chased by angry mobs waving bats made out > of pasta.... > > fraggle > > > I totally feel the intensity of your feeling here. And I admire your > > commitment to your values. This is what I wonder: Does it do us, the movement > > and animals much good to be so purist in a less than pure world? We can hold > > our breath till the cows come home for a fast food place that only has organic > > food, pays it's workers a living wage, doesn't waste paper, and is vegan all > > at the same time...but realistically, is it wise to pass up this opportunity > > to spread veggie eating to hold out for a morally perfect fast food eating > > establishme! nt? I think we may be waiting an awful long time and meanwhile all > > those people who regularly go to fast food places will not have a choice or > > be exposed to a different way of eating. > > > > > To send an email to - > > >

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actually I know that there is an all veggie all organic fastfood shop in (I think) prague.

As for burger king, well I'm not going to spit on them for adding veggieburgers to the menu but I'm also not going to support them. The money you put into burgerking will be spent on the murder of animals, destruction of the environment and bad working conditions.

So if you're planning on trying the veggieburger at BK at least be sure to steal something

 

 

 

 

i didn't comment on this because i had already composed that huge "reward companies for their advancements" thing when we held the debate about maximmarketing. however, i think it's also worthy to note that while it's probably healthier (and definitely easier on your spirits!) to have no desire to eat fast or mainstream food and to enjoy making your own,....i am a total lazy-ass. i hate cooking and i hate not being able to mash a quick bite into my face on my way to an early competition, or during a shopping trip, or other various time-budgeted fun-runs. veganism would be way more pervasive if greasy, popular foods were available for us to eat when we aren't home in our kitchen or between noon and 4 p.m. when the health food store's open. i don't eat at mcdonald's and i am still very conscious of the rampant earth-raping, but, if that's our concern, there are plenty of other environmentally murderous groups to go after (granted, mcdonald's is right up there). i always sneer at the pesticides and the lack of organic foods, but that's the case almost anywhere. improvement is a painfully slow process.~~brii

>"Heartwork" <Heartwork > > >Re: Re: supporting BK in their BK Veggie burgers >Mon, 31 May 2004 16:59:47 +0100 > >Although I have never been in a MacDonalds (well, only to use the loo) I can see the point you are making. I do know some veggies who would like that because their friends go to MacDonalds, and at least they can eat with them. I'm not sure whether anyone who is not a veggie would actually try the veggie burgers though. > >Jo > - > lv2breathe > > Cc: Lv2breathe > Monday, May 31, 2004 3:32 PM > Re: supporting BK in their BK Veggie burgers > > > I know I know. And I know I am in the minority here in my viewpoint. But I think it's sad...we are going to waste a huge opportunity to make vegan food more "mainstream" because of our attitude. If the veggie burgers fail, don't think the big corps will put the energy to put it out there again...they won't of course, because they will just assume that no one wants it. And would that be good for our society as a whole? Or the people who have little choices in their own neighborhood? Or the people who have had the unfortunate situation as to never being exposed to veggie foods? (there are lots of them) We will have no one but ourselves to blame for this if it happens. No one else. > > I don't think supporting one item on their menu is going to make any difference as to how "rapicious" they are on iota...but if sales are decent on this one veggie tiem, it may even encourage them to create more vegan and healthy foods which, in turn, will make them less evil in the first place. > > What a wasted opportunity. > > K > > ********* > > In a message dated 5/31/04 2:24:34 AM Pacific Daylight Time, writes: > Message: 4 > Sun, 30 May 2004 12:12:51 EDT > EBbrewpunx > Re: Re:Round up friends to buy BK veggie burgers > > i dunno... > fer one..i'm not a purist... > i live in the city... > my food has to be trucked upteen billion miles..even if i do try to eat > organic and eat local, and have a tiny garden plot, et al > but... > does it actually pay to have *veggie* food at a monster earth raping corp, if > they do the exact same thing they do with everything else??? > if Mcdeathburger sells a burger we can eat, and is healthier la la al, is it > really a step forward if they are still maintaining all their other business > practices ? they are still anti-union, they still truck their over-processed > food to the ends of the earth, they still foster a world view where everything > is monotony and the same, wh! ere everything is about CONSUMING as much as > possible as fast as possible..supersize me baby, add those triglycerides and dough > conditioners.. > > sorry..like i said over and over, this is just my opinion > everyone is a free individual(whether they see it er not) and follows their > own life path, and must forge their own way... > but.. > fer me > I HATE FAST FOOD > i hate everything about it > its just me > i just can't stand the whole concept > i loathe the cookie cutter everything exactly the same stoopid little > uniforms corporate consumerist monstrosity and everything it represents... > the world has enough problems without the brainchild of ray croc and all > those little marketeers out there tellin me that i need to eat this thing, now, > cuz you are tellin me this, over and over and over again, to eat some freakin > potato grown a zillion miles away from me, laced with chemicals, pesticides, > fungicides, and fertlizers, sent to some p! rocessing plant, where it is sliced, > dized, and reformed into some perfect shape (well, thats wot the marketers tell > em is the correct shape/size), doused with salt and more chemicals, and then > shipped to some distant store in their far flung empire where its cooked in a > vat of oil by some underpaid bored brat..and i'm suppose to be thankful i get > to partake in this modern wonder and be glad and think it a victory if they > stop adding beef tallow?? > sorry.. > but > fuck them > to me(and again, this is just me ranting..just the foul detrius flowing from > my wee mind..and i've slept like 8 hrs in the last several days, sooo..take > that into account as well), it seems sooo wrong when vegans/veggies etc clamour > to have something made available to them at these fast food machines > why bother??? > get rid of the idea all together in my mind.... > like things aren't fast enough as it is?? > would you like someone to chew the food! for you also and just spit the > semi-digested goo down yer gullet??? > oooh...and you can a worthless plastic toy as well!!! oh happy day.... > > anyone who travels to Rome, er wotever, and goes to eat at a mcdonalds, > deserves to be run over by a vespa and chased by angry mobs waving bats made out > of pasta.... > > fraggle > > > I totally feel the intensity of your feeling here. And I admire your > > commitment to your values. This is what I wonder: Does it do us, the movement > > and animals much good to be so purist in a less than pure world? We can hold > > our breath till the cows come home for a fast food place that only has organic > > food, pays it's workers a living wage, doesn't waste paper, and is vegan all > > at the same time...but realistically, is it wise to pass up this opportunity > > to spread veggie eating to hold out for a morally perfect fast food eating > > establishme! nt? I think we may be waiting an awful long time and meanwhile all > > those people who regularly go to fast food places will not have a choice or > > be exposed to a different way of eating. > > > > > To send an email to - > > >

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I recently had a terrible experience with Wendy's. I was with a friend who ordered the usual crap, asked if I wanted anything, and when I said, "Not unless they've got a veggie burger," the clerk said "Oh, we can do that!" Boy was I surprised when we drove away and opened up my "veggie burger." A bun with lettuce, tomato and onion. That was it. I was so disgusted but didn't go back because we were on a job and didn't have time. Ugh! so if BK is making the effort to have something between the buns besides L,T and O, I'd say it's a step in the right direction. I may make an excuse to stop for one "just because."simonpjones wrote:

I agree it's better then havn't no veggie burger on the menu at these fast food places.In many years there could be a turn around in there practices.SimonI know I know. And I know I am in the minority here in my viewpoint. But I think it's sad...we are going to waste a huge opportunity to make vegan food more "mainstream" because of our attitude. If the veggie burgers fail, don't think the big corps will put the energy to put it out there again...they won't of course, because they will just assume that no one wants it. And would that be good for our society as a whole? Or the people who have little choices in their own neighborhood? Or the people who have had the unfortunate situation as to never being exposed to veggie foods? (there are lots of them) We will have no

one but ourselves to blame for this if it happens. No one else.I don't think supporting one item on their menu is going to make any difference as to how "rapicious" they are on iota...but if sales are decent on this one veggie tiem, it may even encourage them to create more vegan and healthy foods which, in turn, will make them less evil in the first place.What a wasted opportunity.To send an email to -

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i wouldn't assume yer in the minority...

i've just got a big mouth

heh

 

but..sorry..i still don't agree

while it might be a baby step forward and all..its still crap...

its like, we are bowing to them...we are buying into their icons..their way...

*shrug*

its the same with organics...all the big corps jumped on the organic bandwagon the last few years....

but...if all they do is produce is an organic twinkie, wots the point???

if its vegan crap, er organic crap, ITS STILL CRAP...

again, just my lil ol opinion

 

 

I know I know. And I know I am in the minority here in my viewpoint

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my thoughts are similar...

oh, i'm sure a few folks will try one, maybe..

but...

1. its gonna taste like poo probably..and the person won't think very highly of it

2. most of the folks who do buy one will be, ta-da, veggies already...

so, is it really that much of a step forward??

i dunno..if i wanted to turn someone on to veganism, i'd rather hook them up with some real food...

I'm not sure whether anyone who is not a veggie would actually try the veggie burgers though.

 

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In a message dated 6/1/2004 7:53:51 AM Pacific Daylight Time, EBbrewpunx writes:

my thoughts are similar...oh, i'm sure a few folks will try one, maybe..but...1. its gonna taste like poo probably..and the person won't think very highly of it2. most of the folks who do buy one will be, ta-da, veggies already...so, is it really that much of a step forward??i dunno..if i wanted to turn someone on to veganism, i'd rather hook them up with some real food...

I encourage my meat eating friends to try the veggie burger just becuase if they are already going to eat a whopper why not try something a little more humane.... It hasnt really worked though.

 

heart,jen.

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life is like that

on the one hand, if they are gonna eat at such places anyways...might as well encourage them to dine on something a little better..

but, even if you do get em to try it(not an easy sell), and it tastes like moldy toilet paper...well, now you've dug yerself a deeper hole

I encourage my meat eating friends to try the veggie burger just becuase if they are already going to eat a whopper why not try something a little more humane.... It hasnt really worked though.

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In a message dated 6/1/2004 9:38:23 AM Pacific Daylight Time, EBbrewpunx writes:

life is like thaton the one hand, if they are gonna eat at such places anyways...might as well encourage them to dine on something a little better..but, even if you do get em to try it(not an easy sell), and it tastes like moldy toilet paper...well, now you've dug yerself a deeper hole

I take my veggie and meat eater friends to asain rose and herbivore alllll the time. moreso asain rose cause its cheaper. THE LOOOOOVE it

 

heart,jen.

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Hi all

 

> but..sorry..i still don't agree> while it might be a baby step forward and all..its still crap...> its like, we are bowing to them...we are buying into their icons..their way...

I pretty much agree with Fraggle. I guess it depends on how far an individual wants to go ethically speaking. It would be pretty much impossible at the moment to only buy from places that don't provide some form of animal based products... supermarkets, small grocers, whatever, are all going to provide some animal products. I personally feel that the human rights and environmental reasons for not supporting companies like McD*****s and BK are every bit as important as the animal rights reasons, so it's really irrelevant as to whether they are animal friendly or not... until they become human, animal and environmentally friendly, I'm not intending to recommend anyone buy anything from them :-)

 

BB

Peter

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Actually, what has encouraged them to add more " healthy " items to

their menu (i.e. salads, ending the " super size " and such) is being

sued.

Sad.

, lv2breathe@a... wrote:

> I know I know. And I know I am in the minority here in my

viewpoint. But I

> think it's sad...we are going to waste a huge opportunity to make

vegan food

> more " mainstream " because of our attitude. If the veggie burgers

fail, don't

> think the big corps will put the energy to put it out there

again...they won't

> of course, because they will just assume that no one wants it. And

would that

> be good for our society as a whole? Or the people who have little

choices in

> their own neighborhood? Or the people who have had the unfortunate

situation

> as to never being exposed to veggie foods? (there are lots of

them) We will

> have no one but ourselves to blame for this if it happens. No one

else.

>

> I don't think supporting one item on their menu is going to make

any

> difference as to how " rapicious " they are on iota...but if sales

are decent on this

> one veggie tiem, it may even encourage them to create more vegan

and healthy

> foods which, in turn, will make them less evil in the first place.

>

> What a wasted opportunity.

>

> K

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If we are going to avoid companies that are involved in

anmimal and environmentally abuse ( directly and indirectly)

we would have to avoid many companies including most

supermarkets,water, gas electricity companies etc.

 

I think it would be far better to encourage The Macs of this

world to produce a healthy burger rather then totally write

them off. I doubt if the fast food industrty is going to go

away.

 

Simon

 

I personally feel that the human rights and environmental

reasons for not supporting companies like McD*****s and BK

are every bit as important as the animal rights reasons, so

it's really irrelevant as to whether they are animal friendly

or not... until they become human, animal and environmentally

friendly, I'm not intending to recommend anyone buy anything

from them :-)

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I mainly only visit veggie places when I eat, which is not

often, though and Animal-Aid group I help out, are starting

to encourage eat-out places to cater for vegans.

 

Simon

 

I recently had a terrible experience with Wendy's. I was with

a friend who ordered the usual crap, asked if I wanted

anything, and when I said, " Not unless they've got a veggie

burger, " the clerk said " Oh, we can do that! " Boy was I

surprised when we drove away and opened up my " veggie

burger. " A bun with lettuce, tomato and onion. That was it. I

was so disgusted but didn't go back because we were on a job

and didn't have time. Ugh! so if BK is making the effort to

have something between the buns besides L,T and O, I'd say

it's a step in the right direction. I may make an excuse to

stop for one " just because. "

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There not making an effort because they care. They just want your money. These corporations will do anything to achieve their own ends. If that means attempting to cater to the Veggie crowd, thell do it.

 

Besides, they dont cook it seperately from the meat anyway. So whats the point? Why not just eat the meat? Its like getting rice at Taco Bell. Its cooked with chicken broth.... so why not just eat a fajita? simonpjones wrote:

I mainly only visit veggie places when I eat, which is not often, though and Animal-Aid group I help out, are starting to encourage eat-out places to cater for vegans.Simon I recently had a terrible experience with Wendy's. I was with a friend who ordered the usual crap, asked if I wanted anything, and when I said, "Not unless they've got a veggie burger," the clerk said "Oh, we can do that!" Boy was I surprised when we drove away and opened up my "veggie burger." A bun with lettuce, tomato and onion. That was it. I was so disgusted but didn't go back because we were on a job and didn't have time. Ugh! so if BK is making the effort to have something between the buns besides L,T and O, I'd say it's a step in the right direction. I may make an excuse to stop for one "just

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I feel the same way, really. Exept I have written the corporations off. Fast food, supermarkets, and all stores like walmart, target, gap, starbucks ect. [im not sure what companies are in the U.K. though out of those.]By boycotting these companies (Mcd, Bk, TacoBell) you are making a stance for humyn and non humyn rights. And most importantly protecting the planet from the attrocities being commited daily apon it by corporations.

What im hoping for is an alternative to these places. Not just an alternative to their food but their business practices as well.

simonpjones wrote:

If we are going to avoid companies that are involved in anmimal and environmentally abuse ( directly and indirectly) we would have to avoid many companies including most supermarkets,water, gas electricity companies etc.I think it would be far better to encourage The Macs of this world to produce a healthy burger rather then totally write them off. I doubt if the fast food industrty is going to go away.Simon I personally feel that the human rights and environmental reasons for not supporting companies like McD*****s and BK are every bit as important as the animal rights reasons, so it's really irrelevant as to whether they are animal friendly or not... until they become human, animal and environmentally friendly, I'm not intending to recommend anyone buy anything from them

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this is probably one of those questions i'm going to slap myself later for asking, but......is there something i'm missing? *scratches head* "humyn and non humyn" ~~a very confused (yet not so confused as i was curious earlier) brii

>Hel <notha_skadi > > >Re: Re: supporting BK in their BK Veggie burgers >Thu, 10 Jun 2004 16:33:25 -0700 (PDT) > >I feel the same way, really. Exept I have written the corporations off. Fast food, supermarkets, and all stores like walmart, target, gap, starbucks ect. [im not sure what companies are in the U.K. though out of those.] >By boycotting these companies (Mcd, Bk, TacoBell) you are making a stance for humyn and non humyn rights. And most importantly protecting the planet from the attrocities being commited daily apon it by corporations. >What im hoping for is an alternative to these places. Not just an alternative to their food but their business practices as well. > >simonpjones wrote: >If we are going to avoid companies that are involved in >anmimal and environmentally abuse ( directly and indirectly) >we would have to avoid many companies including most >supermarkets,water, gas electricity companies etc. > >I think it would be far better to encourage The Macs of this >world to produce a healthy burger rather then totally write >them off. I doubt if the fast food industrty is going to go >away. > >Simon > >I personally feel that the human rights and environmental >reasons for not supporting companies like McD*****s and BK >are every bit as important as the animal rights reasons, so >it's really irrelevant as to whether they are animal friendly >or not... until they become human, animal and environmentally >friendly, I'm not intending to recommend anyone buy anything >from them :-) > > > >To send an email to - > > >

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alternate spelling of human...

 

same with womyn, etc...

taking the "man" out of the terms...

 

this is probably one of those questions i'm going to slap myself later for asking, but......is there something i'm missing? *scratches head*

"humyn and non humyn"