I have a request

[Guest guest]

OK,maybe I am totally off when it comes to this, but why is it that people say

bee's wax and honey isn't vegan? correct me if I'm wrong,but doesn't it come

from flowers? not the bee's them self's?.......any in put would be

great......Tanya

grouppastime <grouppastime wrote:My family shops at trader joes about

once a week. I never shop there

due to the lack of fresh produce, lack of raw and organic foods, and

expensive prices. There are only a few things im willing to eat. If

you havent heard of trader joes, its a simi-health food store that

specializes in selling imported products. Everything is packaged

which increases the environmental impact and decreases the freshness.

Out of all the items that are brought home, i only eat OG avocados

and OG raw almond butter. My family also buys the 4 lbs bags of OG

valencia oranges but i simply can not eat them. The reason being is

that they are not vegan. Unfortunately, beeswax and lac-resin is used

as a coating to preserve the oranges. This is disappointing because i

see those oranges in my kitchen tantalizing me almost every day.

 

I must take action.

 

I called a local TJs and they gave my a customer service number. I

inquired about the details of the resins that are used. The lac-resin

is obtained from a worm or some other type of insect. I dont want to

even imagine how this is done. After the representative finished i

expressed my position. I will not buy TJs oranges or any other

produce item that contains animal products. (resin is also used on

the lemons but theyre not organic so i pay little mind) If the use

resin is discontinued, then i would be willing to purchase the

oranges. The representative assured me my message would get across to

the distributors.

 

That was about a month ago and i continue to see the resin-coated-

oranges. One complaint is not enough to have a significant effect.

Sense this is a raw group, im hoping most of you are vegan. Please

call the TJs customer service number and let them know you refuse to

buy their oranges because youre vegan. The more complaints they get,

the more likely theyll realize profit is being lost due to their

barbarous use of animal products in originally vegan foods. Their

number is 626-599-3817. This number is for the west coast. They might

have a different customer service number for the east coast.

Hopefully you have unlimited long distance. I used a phone card. Just

to let you know, they have stores in Arizona, California,

Connecticut, Delaware, Illinois, Indiana, Maryland, Massachusetts,

Michigan, Nevada, New Jersey, New York, Ohio, Oregon, Pennsylvania,

Virginia and Washington. Please call when you get the chance. Your

endeavor is greatly appreciated.

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Thank you for your question about honey and beeswax, and we can

include bee pollen. They are indeed not vegan, and they are products

of cruelty and death to the bees.

 

The pollen and/or nectar in flowers is vegan. If someone wants to eat

pollen and/or nectar, then they should get it straight from the

flowers. But honey is made by people stealing it from the beehive,

from the bees, who work so hard to get it and store it, and mix it

with their own bodily secretions to make honey, wax to build their

homes, and bee pollen. Bees work so incredibly hard--you've heard the

expression " busy as a bee " ? One worker bee in her entire life can

generally make only 1/2 spoonful of honey! She works so hard yet that

is all she can make. Can you imagine how many worker bees' life work

goes into ONE jar of honey? Imagine how much exploitation and killing

goes into all those zillions of jars and big buckets of honey in the

stores? And then the bees are either left to starve, or

the " beekeepers " replace the honey, which was true food for the bees,

with sugar water! Either way, the bees work themselves ragged just to

make that little bit of honey, and end up starving, all for

humanity's greed! And they work themselves ragged building their wax

homes, and lose them, all for humanity's greed!

 

Who needs honey anyway? If someone wants something sweet, just eat a

banana! Or blend up some dates! And what on earth do we need beeswax

for? And who needs bee pollen? It is another one of those fad " health

foods " that is not food for humans. Honey is very unhealthy, it is a

refined sugar product, generally devoid of nutrients, and the sugar

in honey is very problematic for the body--it is sucrose, a highly

concentrated sugar which can result in tooth decay and diabetes,

among other problems. The perfect sugar for the body is in fruit.

 

http://www.drbida.com/Tooth%20Decay/Sugar%20Destroys%20Teeth%20 & %

20Health.htm:

" FRUCTOSE is the sugar found naturally in fruits. It is easier to

digest than sucrose because it does not need insulin in order to get

into the liver and other cells, as sucrose does. Fructose is 70 per

cent sweeter than sucrose, so it takes fewer calories to achieve the

same sweetness. "

 

Fruit is made by the trees and plants specifically as food for us--it

is the perfect food. Here are some good sites for info about the

cruelty to bees in getting honey and other bee products.

 

" Why Honey is not Vegan " :

http://www.vegetus.org/honey/honey.htm

 

From the Vegan Society:

http://www.vegansociety.com/html/info/info24.html

 

Zsuzsa

 

 

rawfood , Tanya Diaz <tanyadc2000> wrote:

>

> OK,maybe I am totally off when it comes to this, but why is it that

people say bee's wax and honey isn't vegan? correct me if I'm

wrong,but doesn't it come from flowers? not the bee's them

self's?.......any in put would be great......Tanya

[Guest guest]

The bee mite has nearly whiped out the american honney

bee. Bee kepers have been essential to their

survival. I do not eat honey myself, but see nothing

wrong with it.

 

 

 

 

--- southladogs <southladogs wrote:

> Thank you for your question about honey and beeswax,

> and we can

> include bee pollen. They are indeed not vegan, and

> they are products

> of cruelty and death to the bees.

>

> The pollen and/or nectar in flowers is vegan. If

> someone wants to eat

> pollen and/or nectar, then they should get it

> straight from the

> flowers. But honey is made by people stealing it

> from the beehive,

> from the bees, who work so hard to get it and store

> it, and mix it

> with their own bodily secretions to make honey, wax

> to build their

> homes, and bee pollen. Bees work so incredibly

> hard--you've heard the

> expression " busy as a bee " ? One worker bee in her

> entire life can

> generally make only 1/2 spoonful of honey! She works

> so hard yet that

> is all she can make. Can you imagine how many worker

> bees' life work

> goes into ONE jar of honey? Imagine how much

> exploitation and killing

> goes into all those zillions of jars and big buckets

> of honey in the

> stores? And then the bees are either left to starve,

> or

> the " beekeepers " replace the honey, which was true

> food for the bees,

> with sugar water! Either way, the bees work

> themselves ragged just to

> make that little bit of honey, and end up starving,

> all for

> humanity's greed! And they work themselves ragged

> building their wax

> homes, and lose them, all for humanity's greed!

>

> Who needs honey anyway? If someone wants something

> sweet, just eat a

> banana! Or blend up some dates! And what on earth do

> we need beeswax

> for? And who needs bee pollen? It is another one of

> those fad " health

> foods " that is not food for humans. Honey is very

> unhealthy, it is a

> refined sugar product, generally devoid of

> nutrients, and the sugar

> in honey is very problematic for the body--it is

> sucrose, a highly

> concentrated sugar which can result in tooth decay

> and diabetes,

> among other problems. The perfect sugar for the body

> is in fruit.

>

>

http://www.drbida.com/Tooth%20Decay/Sugar%20Destroys%20Teeth%20 & %

> 20Health.htm:

> " FRUCTOSE is the sugar found naturally in fruits. It

> is easier to

> digest than sucrose because it does not need insulin

> in order to get

> into the liver and other cells, as sucrose does.

> Fructose is 70 per

> cent sweeter than sucrose, so it takes fewer

> calories to achieve the

> same sweetness. "

>

> Fruit is made by the trees and plants specifically

> as food for us--it

> is the perfect food. Here are some good sites for

> info about the

> cruelty to bees in getting honey and other bee

> products.

>

> " Why Honey is not Vegan " :

> http://www.vegetus.org/honey/honey.htm

>

> From the Vegan Society:

> http://www.vegansociety.com/html/info/info24.html

>

> Zsuzsa

>

>

> rawfood , Tanya Diaz

> <tanyadc2000> wrote:

> >

> > OK,maybe I am totally off when it comes to this,

> but why is it that

> people say bee's wax and honey isn't vegan? correct

> me if I'm

> wrong,but doesn't it come from flowers? not the

> bee's them

> self's?.......any in put would be great......Tanya

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for that Zsuzsa

I completely agree, leave the bees the fruits of their labor. They really don't

deserve to have their honey stolen and be left with sugar for the winter.

-karl

 

 

 

" When I gave food to the poor, they called me a saint; but when I asked why

people are poor, they called me a communist. "

-Brazilian Bishop Don Helder Camara

 

 

:  Thank you for your question about honey and beeswax, and we can

:  include bee pollen. They are indeed not vegan, and they are products

:  of cruelty and death to the bees.

:  The pollen and/or nectar in flowers is vegan. If someone wants to eat

:  pollen and/or nectar, then they should get it straight from the

:  flowers. But honey is made by people stealing it from the beehive,

:  from the bees, who work so hard to get it and store it, and mix it

:  with their own bodily secretions to make honey, wax to build their

:  homes, and bee pollen. Bees work so incredibly hard--you've heard the

:  expression " busy as a bee " ? One worker bee in her entire life can

:  generally make only 1/2 spoonful of honey! She works so hard yet that

:  is all she can make. Can you imagine how many worker bees' life work

:  goes into ONE jar of honey? Imagine how much exploitation and killing

:  goes into all those zillions of jars and big buckets of honey in the

:  stores? And then the bees are either left to starve, or

:  the " beekeepers " replace the honey, which was true food for the bees,

:  with sugar water! Either way, the bees work themselves ragged just to

:  make that little bit of honey, and end up starving, all for

:  humanity's greed! And they work themselves ragged building their wax

:  homes, and lose them, all for humanity's greed!

:  Who needs honey anyway? If someone wants something sweet, just eat a

:  banana! Or blend up some dates! And what on earth do we need beeswax

:  for? And who needs bee pollen? It is another one of those fad " health

:  foods " that is not food for humans. Honey is very unhealthy, it is a

:  refined sugar product, generally devoid of nutrients, and the sugar

:  in honey is very problematic for the body--it is sucrose, a highly

:  concentrated sugar which can result in tooth decay and diabetes,

:  among other problems. The perfect sugar for the body is in fruit.

:  http://www.drbida.com/Tooth%20Decay/Sugar%20Destroys%20Teeth%20 & %

:  20Health.htm:

:   " FRUCTOSE is the sugar found naturally in fruits. It is easier to

:  digest than sucrose because it does not need insulin in order to get

:  into the liver and other cells, as sucrose does. Fructose is 70 per

:  cent sweeter than sucrose, so it takes fewer calories to achieve the

:  same sweetness. "

:  Fruit is made by the trees and plants specifically as food for us--it

:  is the perfect food. Here are some good sites for info about the

:  cruelty to bees in getting honey and other bee products.

:   " Why Honey is not Vegan " :

:  http://www.vegetus.org/honey/honey.htm

:  From the Vegan Society:

:  http://www.vegansociety.com/html/info/info24.html

:  Zsuzsa

:  

:  rawfood , Tanya Diaz <tanyadc2000> wrote:

: :  OK,maybe I am totally off when it comes to this, but why is it that

:  people say bee's wax and honey isn't vegan? correct me if I'm

:  wrong,but doesn't it come from flowers? not the bee's them

:  self's?.......any in put would be great......Tanya

:  

:  

:  

[Guest guest]

I had no idea about honey. Thanks for sharing.

 

So is there any good thing can I do with the honey I have besides toss it in

the trash

 

Carol

San Antonio TX

 

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[Guest guest]

I used to live in California. I thought Trader Joes was a joke. A

place for yuppies.

 

As for the oranges. Bees wax is a natural product made from bees. On

their under belly they " sweat " a goop which they clean off constantly

and pack into walls to form their breeding chambers. Beeswax is as

natural as honey, of which is actually a form of bee saliva, and

dehydrated. Bees wax, raw honey and propolis are very antibiotic. If

you put raw honey on a bad cut it will not get infected due to the hi

percentage of natural h2o2 in it. I personally do not consider bees as

animals in the mammal sense.

 

Oranges are porus, unless the pores are sealed with something they

will loose their juices very quickly after picking ( I have seen them

last for a month or shrival up within a week ) They do have a natural

greasy coating that comes from the zest area, and even tho I have

grown them I could not tell you if some store bought ones were coated

with oil, or just oozing from broken cells. I would recommend if you

want what you are looking for you might buy one of those indoor

minature trees and grow them for yourself.

[Guest guest]

Carol, I don't know if this is your 'thing' or not,

but rather than trash it, make homemade soap, and if

you have issues about using it yourself, it makes nice

gifts....

 

rainbow

 

 

 

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felt. He said, I feel as if I have two wolves fighting in my heart. One

wolf is the vengeful, angry, violent one. The other wolf is the loving,

compassionate one. The grandson asked him, Which wolf will win the

fight in your heart? The grandfather answered, The one I feed. "

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I take it to the gym with me it helps me sweat in the suana quicker, and salt

added to eat makes a exfoilient, although I wonder if that's even a good I dea

Carol Ann <simpleliketherose wrote:

 

I had no idea about honey. Thanks for sharing.

 

So is there any good thing can I do with the honey I have besides toss it in

the trash

 

Carol

San Antonio TX

 

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[Guest guest]

My family shops at trader joes about once a week. I never shop there

due to the lack of fresh produce, lack of raw and organic foods, and

expensive prices. There are only a few things im willing to eat. If

you havent heard of trader joes, its a simi-health food store that

specializes in selling imported products. Everything is packaged

which increases the environmental impact and decreases the freshness.

Out of all the items that are brought home, i only eat OG avocados

and OG raw almond butter. My family also buys the 4 lbs bags of OG

valencia oranges but i simply can not eat them. The reason being is

that they are not vegan. Unfortunately, beeswax and lac-resin is used

as a coating to preserve the oranges. This is disappointing because i

see those oranges in my kitchen tantalizing me almost every day.

 

I must take action.

 

I called a local TJs and they gave my a customer service number. I

inquired about the details of the resins that are used. The lac-resin

is obtained from a worm or some other type of insect. I dont want to

even imagine how this is done. After the representative finished i

expressed my position. I will not buy TJs oranges or any other

produce item that contains animal products. (resin is also used on

the lemons but theyre not organic so i pay little mind) If the use

resin is discontinued, then i would be willing to purchase the

oranges. The representative assured me my message would get across to

the distributors.

 

That was about a month ago and i continue to see the resin-coated-

oranges. One complaint is not enough to have a significant effect.

Sense this is a vegan group, im hoping most of you are vegan. Please

call the TJs customer service number and let them know you refuse to

buy their oranges because youre vegan. The more complaints they get,

the more likely theyll realize profit is being lost due to their

barbarous use of animal products in originally vegan foods. Their

number is 626-599-3817. This number is for the west coast. They might

have a different customer service number for the east coast.

Hopefully you have unlimited long distance. I used a phone card. Just

to let you know, they have stores in Arizona, California,

Connecticut, Delaware, Illinois, Indiana, Maryland, Massachusetts,

Michigan, Nevada, New Jersey, New York, Ohio, Oregon, Pennsylvania,

Virginia and Washington. Please call when you get the chance. Your

endeavor is greatly appreciated.

[Guest guest]

The taste of oranges has become insipid lately. Theyre my least

desired fruit right now. I think ill just wait until i live near

orange trees so i can enjoy the fresh taste of indigenous oranges.

Produce can lose up to 75% of its nutritional value when its not

fresh anyways. Thats probably why they taste so insipid right now.

 

After bees regurgitate their honey into their honeycomb cells, they

add its stinger poison which acts as a preservative and sealer. Honey

is too sweat for humans and contains harmful acids. It harms the

nervous system, promotes tooth decay, and the digestive secretions in

your stomach can be inhibited and become upset. Dont waste your money

on infamous honey.

[Guest guest]

Good luck with the phoning. I hope it works. Luckily in the UK the main

stores sell unwaxed organic fruit, available most of the time.

 

Jo

-

" grouppastime " <grouppastime

 

Saturday, July 17, 2004 10:16 PM

I have a request

 

 

> My family shops at trader joes about once a week. I never shop there

> due to the lack of fresh produce, lack of raw and organic foods, and

> expensive prices. There are only a few things im willing to eat. If

> you havent heard of trader joes, its a simi-health food store that

> specializes in selling imported products. Everything is packaged

> which increases the environmental impact and decreases the freshness.

> Out of all the items that are brought home, i only eat OG avocados

> and OG raw almond butter. My family also buys the 4 lbs bags of OG

> valencia oranges but i simply can not eat them. The reason being is

> that they are not vegan. Unfortunately, beeswax and lac-resin is used

> as a coating to preserve the oranges. This is disappointing because i

> see those oranges in my kitchen tantalizing me almost every day.

>

> I must take action.

>

> I called a local TJs and they gave my a customer service number. I

> inquired about the details of the resins that are used. The lac-resin

> is obtained from a worm or some other type of insect. I dont want to

> even imagine how this is done. After the representative finished i

> expressed my position. I will not buy TJs oranges or any other

> produce item that contains animal products. (resin is also used on

> the lemons but theyre not organic so i pay little mind) If the use

> resin is discontinued, then i would be willing to purchase the

> oranges. The representative assured me my message would get across to

> the distributors.

>

> That was about a month ago and i continue to see the resin-coated-

> oranges. One complaint is not enough to have a significant effect.

> Sense this is a vegan group, im hoping most of you are vegan. Please

> call the TJs customer service number and let them know you refuse to

> buy their oranges because youre vegan. The more complaints they get,

> the more likely theyll realize profit is being lost due to their

> barbarous use of animal products in originally vegan foods. Their

> number is 626-599-3817. This number is for the west coast. They might

> have a different customer service number for the east coast.

> Hopefully you have unlimited long distance. I used a phone card. Just

> to let you know, they have stores in Arizona, California,

> Connecticut, Delaware, Illinois, Indiana, Maryland, Massachusetts,

> Michigan, Nevada, New Jersey, New York, Ohio, Oregon, Pennsylvania,

> Virginia and Washington. Please call when you get the chance. Your

> endeavor is greatly appreciated.

>

>

>

>

>

> To send an email to -

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 7/18/2004 2:35:44 AM Pacific Daylight Time, grouppastime writes:

My family shops at trader joes about once a week. I never shop there due to the lack of fresh produce, lack of raw and organic foods, and expensive prices. There are only a few things im willing to eat. If you havent heard of trader joes, its a simi-health food store that specializes in selling imported products. Everything is packaged which increases the environmental impact and decreases the freshness. Out of all the items that are brought home, i only eat OG avocados and OG raw almond butter. My family also buys the 4 lbs bags of OG valencia oranges but i simply can not eat them. The reason being is that they are not vegan. Unfortunately, beeswax and lac-resin is used as a coating to preserve the oranges. This is disappointing because i see those oranges in my kitchen tantalizing me almost every day.I must take action.I called a local TJs and they gave my a customer service number. I inquired about the details of the resins that are used. The lac-resin is obtained from a worm or some other type of insect. I dont want to even imagine how this is done. After the representative finished i expressed my position. I will not buy TJs oranges or any other produce item that contains animal products. (resin is also used on the lemons but theyre not organic so i pay little mind) If the use resin is discontinued, then i would be willing to purchase the oranges. The representative assured me my message would get across to the distributors. That was about a month ago and i continue to see the resin-coated-oranges. One complaint is not enough to have a significant effect. Sense this is a vegan group, im hoping most of you are vegan. Please call the TJs customer service number and let them know you refuse to buy their oranges because youre vegan. The more complaints they get, the more likely theyll realize profit is being lost due to their barbarous use of animal products in originally vegan foods. Their number is 626-599-3817. This number is for the west coast. They might have a different customer service number for the east coast. Hopefully you have unlimited long distance. I used a phone card. Just to let you know, they have stores in Arizona, California, Connecticut, Delaware, Illinois, Indiana, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Nevada, New Jersey, New York, Ohio, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Virginia and Washington. Please call when you get the chance. Your endeavor is greatly appreciated.

trader joes has really good sesame crepes that are vegan.

 

heart,jen.

[Guest guest]

Thank you. Humans eating honey is not only immoral, it's unhealthy

for so many reasons.

 

Zsuzsa

 

 

rawfood , " grouppastime " <grouppastime>

wrote:

>

> After bees regurgitate their honey into their honeycomb cells,

they

> add its stinger poison which acts as a preservative and sealer.

Honey

> is too sweat for humans and contains harmful acids. It harms the

> nervous system, promotes tooth decay, and the digestive secretions

in

> your stomach can be inhibited and become upset. Dont waste your

money

> on infamous honey.

[Guest guest]

That's just silly and incorrect information. Can you explain your opinion?

 

nb

-

southladogs

rawfood

Monday, July 19, 2004 2:13 PM

[Raw Food] Re: I have a request

 

 

Thank you. Humans eating honey is not only immoral, it's unhealthy

for so many reasons.

 

Zsuzsa

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Humans eating honey is what's silly and incorrect, and much worse. I

have explained this in detail, and provided references. Go to

rawfood/messages and look through the

messages.

 

Zsuzsa

 

 

rawfood , " nesting bird " <nestingbird@e...>

wrote:

> That's just silly and incorrect information. Can you explain your

opinion?

>

> nb

> -

> southladogs

> rawfood

> Monday, July 19, 2004 2:13 PM

> [Raw Food] Re: I have a request

>

>

> Thank you. Humans eating honey is not only immoral, it's

unhealthy

> for so many reasons.

>

> Zsuzsa

[Guest guest]

The only thing that I am " shocked at " is that arrogant

know-nothings continue to spread their anti-vegan and

anti-raw crap, and that unfortunately they prey on the

unsuspecting health seeker on sites such as

" Call4raw.com " . And I am " shocked at " a site posing as

" World's Largest Living Foods Co-op " , pretending to be

about real food, yet instead slickly pushing the

eating of carcasses and other poisons. Virtually all

the many photos on the site are of luscious raw fruit,

yet they are juxtaposed with the long, ignorant

diatribe of lies and absurd propaganda trying to

derail people from health, and to convince them

instead to eat rotting carcasses, cooked food, and

every other unhealthy item imaginable, while bashing

fruitarianism and Hygiene, without the author even

daring to give his name. The site is dishonest and

misleading. Talk about lunatics!

 

 

--- rawfoodcoop <rawfoodcoop wrote:

> check out the new Call4raw.com site.. You will be

> shocked at the raw

> foods community when you read the artical one why

> all raw foods are

> bad for you.

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

The exact same things you say could be said about you.

 

Here's a good idea...You eat your way, and leave other's, who

can think for themselves, to their own choices.

 

No one likes a zealot, nor will people generally respond well

to such.

 

nb

 

 

-

southladogs

rawfoodcoop ; rawfood

Tuesday, July 20, 2004 6:10 PM

[Raw Food] Re: I have a request

 

 

The only thing that I am " shocked at " is that arrogant

know-nothings continue to spread their anti-vegan and

anti-raw crap, and that unfortunately they prey on the

unsuspecting health seeker on sites such as

" Call4raw.com " . And I am " shocked at " a site posing as

" World's Largest Living Foods Co-op " , pretending to be

about real food, yet instead slickly pushing the

eating of carcasses and other poisons. Virtually all

the many photos on the site are of luscious raw fruit,

yet they are juxtaposed with the long, ignorant

diatribe of lies and absurd propaganda trying to

derail people from health, and to convince them

instead to eat rotting carcasses, cooked food, and

every other unhealthy item imaginable, while bashing

fruitarianism and Hygiene, without the author even

daring to give his name. The site is dishonest and

misleading. Talk about lunatics!

 

 

--- rawfoodcoop <rawfoodcoop wrote:

> check out the new Call4raw.com site.. You will be

> shocked at the raw

> foods community when you read the artical one why

> all raw foods are

> bad for you.

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

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