A life is a life?

July 23, 2004

In a message dated 7/23/2004 7:50:09 AM Pacific Daylight Time, gagrip5 writes:

Not to nit-pick the point, but humans really are designed to be omnivores. In the sense of occassional meat from scavanging or hunting, along with eating insects. This may be a sort of "IMO" kind of thing, but if you look at our closest animal relatives, I think that is your best indication.peace;sara

hmm. i have to disagree for these simple facts:

herbivores have a long digestive tract, long intestins, and a long colon. carnivores/omnivores have short ones. reason being- they can process meat faster and not become obese. herbivores have certian parts of their saliva to break down carbohydrates- carnivores/omnivores. the teeth of herbivores and carni/omnis are much different (yes, our human teeth are like that of an herbivore). and lastly, the human race is the only race that has to cook the flesh before eating it. other carni/omnis eat it raw, in addition to that they eat all parts of the animal whereas humans have to eat certian parts and cook it in order to not become sick. and yes, i know that some eskimos do eat raw fish but like i heard someone say once- do they go and eat an elk?

so thats my reasoning for saying that we are herbivores. oh and also... i heard steve yourfoski (sp?) say "if you put a young child in a crib with a bunny and an apple and the child plays with the apple and eats the bunny then i am very wrong"

yeah so thats what i think.

heart,jen.

July 24, 2004

I have two words to say to that

Steak tartar (maybe that is three)

anyway

not that any of us really know for sure what they eat

I have a theory myself

sort of half biblical half science

if there was truth to the garden of Eden then we were truly Vegan to begin with

all we did was walk around and pick berries all day

but when the great flood came much of the plant life and fields were destroyed (ice age)

forcing us to eat whatever was available

we scavenged and got sick from dead carcasses

so we found buy cooking the sh** out them we could eat them

as the plants returned we just ate both but mostly ate veggie's

then we found if we put millions of animals in the smallest place possible and feed them from our farms

& cut down rain forest to do it

we could eat more meat. then a few of us said hey I want to be Vegan again

like my ancestors...

and well here we are

=o]]

all the best

Craig

A life is a life?Oh, I agree that we are designed primarily as herbivores. By omnivore I mean mostly scavanger-type. Also insects, eggs, other "easy pickings." Obviously, we are not well designed to run down and kill our own meat (without tools, anyway). And there is no way we could subsist on a solely meat-based diet.Please prove to me that we must cook meat to eat it. I often consumed raw fish back in the day (sushi) and never once felt even slightly ill. Even after humans started cooking their meat, many cultures still ate certain parts of the animal raw, mostly organs. The illnesses you hear about from undercooked meat are the result of diseased animals from factory farming and/or unsanitary packing and handling conditions.Can you tell I like to question everything?peace;sara , xjenisveganx@a... wrote:> > hmm. i have to disagree for these simple facts:> > herbivores have a long digestive tract, long intestins, and a long colon. > carnivores/omnivores have short ones. reason being- they can process meat faster > and not become obese. herbivores have certian parts of their saliva to break > down carbohydrates- carnivores/omnivores. the teeth of herbivores and > carni/omnis are much different (yes, our human teeth are like that of an > herbivore). and lastly, the human race is the only race that has to cook the flesh > before eating it. other carni/omnis eat it raw, in addition to that they eat all > parts of the animal whereas humans have to eat certian parts and cook it in > order to not become sick. and yes, i know that some eskimos do eat raw fish > but like i heard someone say once- do they go and eat an elk? > > so thats my reasoning for saying that we are herbivores. oh and also... i > heard steve yourfoski (sp?) say "if you put a young child in a crib with a bunny > and an apple and the child plays with the apple and eats the bunny then i am > very wrong" > > yeah so thats what i think.> > heart,> jen.

July 24, 2004

Sounds like a good theory to me Craig.

Jo

anyway

not that any of us really know for sure what they eat

I have a theory myself

July 24, 2004

In a message dated 7/23/2004 3:35:53 PM Pacific Daylight Time, gagrip5 writes:

Please prove to me that we must cook meat to eat it. I often consumed raw fish back in the day (sushi) and never once felt even slightly ill. Even after humans started cooking their meat, many cultures still ate certain parts of the animal raw, mostly organs. The illnesses you hear about from undercooked meat are the result of diseased animals from factory farming and/or unsanitary packing and handling conditions.Can you tell I like to question everything?peace;sara

questioning is good. and yes we can eat raw sushi... BUT... like i said before those are very specific parts of the animal and in large quantities we do get sick. i wish i could say this, but i cant say that humans were meant for a vegan based diet but i do not think that consuming animal flesh was what we are designed to consume.

heart,jen.

July 24, 2004

I actually do think we were meant for a vegan diet - leaves, berries and seeds. Obviously there would be the odd caterpillar etc. but that would be accidental/coincidental. We are not equipped to kill animals easily - we do not rush up to a cow or pig and sink our nails and teeth into its neck to rip it apart and eat it. The only way I can think that we would eat meat would be like carrion - when already dead. People had to invent bows and arrows, slings etc. to stand any chance of catching other animals to eat - which proves, to me, that it is not natural for us to do so.