Fish cruelty

August 29, 2004

I have copied the article from the Asthma Association below so you can see how awful some people are. Do you see the part where he says: the PSAs revisit the arresting metaphor of a fish struggling to breathe? Why am I going crazy over this? I feel like throwing him in a pond and telling him struggling to breathe is a metaphor for whatever. Idiots. (Back to lurking.)

C. Gadarian

Since 1980, the number of people with asthma has more than doubled. In 2001, more than four million children suffered from asthma attacks. The CDC estimates that children miss 14 million school days each year due to asthma. Although there is no known cure for this disease, experts agree that there are a variety of ways to reduce the number of asthma attacks. In the second year of this public information campaign, the PSAs revisit the arresting metaphor of a fish struggling to breathe, and focus on common indoor triggers that can lead to attacks. The campaign urges parents to take action now to prevent their kids from visiting the emergency room.

Taken from:

http://www.adcouncil.org/campaigns/Childhood_Asthma/

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August 29, 2004

In Britain, we have an advertising standards authority we can complain

to. Do you have anything similar in the states?

August 29, 2004

I do not think so, but I can check. Is there something wrong with me? I am the only one I know of here who actually turns the channel because I cannot stand to watch it. Of course, my "friends" all fell on the floor laughing when I couldn't view the ad because it was "just a goldfish, the rats of the fish world." Cynthia

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Ian McDonald

Sunday, August 29, 2004 4:03 PM

Re: Fw: Fish cruelty

In Britain, we have an advertising standards authority we can complainto. Do you have anything similar in the states?To send an email to -

August 30, 2004

They don't get the fact that suffering is suffering. Which is normal,

because we're encouraged from birth to discount animals as just animals.

Circa 1800, a " Vindication of the Rights of Brutes " was produced as a

parody of Mary Wollstonecraft's " Vindication of the Rights of Women " ,

and one sometimes gets the feeling that we haven't moved on since then.

It's possibly not a priority campaigning issue in itself (compared to

the millions of fish and poultry which suffer terribly on their way to

meaties' plates), but it's hugely symbolic, and shows the difference

between the people who give a shit and a the people who don't.*

(* Not that vegans are the only people who give a shit, by any stretch

of the imagination.)

August 30, 2004

There's nothing wrong with you. I get laughed at by my friends

because I won't eat fishies anymore(except for the candy ones ;o). I

also scared a cat away from a goldfish pond recently because it was

about to pounce on one of the fish. I've got a question: since

veganism and animal rights seem to go hand in hand, what do you all

think about pests? For example, I came home one day to a horror- my

home had been invaded by big fuzzy black flies. I was so disgusted I

was screaming and swatting them left and right. I wouldn't have

cared or bothered them if they were outside, but I was not going to

live with them in my house, so I bought traps and killed all the ones

I couldn't swat or shoo out the windows. I don't think that makes me

inhumane but I was wondering what a vegan perspective would be while

I was ridding my house of them. I'm know I'm opening myself up to

criticism here and I can take it, just don't be too hard on me

please ;o)

Peace,

~Chrissie~

, " Cynthia Gadarian "

<cgadarian@a...> wrote:

> I do not think so, but I can check. Is there something wrong with

me? I am the only one I know of here who actually turns the channel

because I cannot stand to watch it. Of course, my " friends " all fell

on the floor laughing when I couldn't view the ad because it

was " just a goldfish, the rats of the fish world. " Cynthia

> -

> Ian McDonald

>

> Sunday, August 29, 2004 4:03 PM

> Re: Fw: Fish cruelty

>

> In Britain, we have an advertising standards authority we can

complain

> to. Do you have anything similar in the states?

>

> To send an email to -

>

August 30, 2004

I generally will take outside any insect or spider that has come into my home. Other times, I will just leave them be... a spider crawling on the wall, a flying critter or two.. that doesn't really bother me. But I too had an infestation a few months ago. I brought home a coffee table that I got from my parents friends' garage. Along with the coffee table, I got what seemed to be hundreds of ants. In just a few days, I had several spots in my house that had turned into ant colonies. Ants don't bother me, and of course I would never purposely step on one while I was walking around, but these ants had infested my apartment. So I bought some ant traps, and a week later, after some extremely cold weather (and the ant traps), I only saw a few ants, which I let wander around my house. I can't really justify killing the ants, although they were all over the table I eat dinner on, in my shower, and in my bedroom, but I did buy ant traps and even smushed a few of them. I certainly didn't want to kill them, but I didn't want to turn my apartment into a gigantic ant farm. I don't ever want to have to kill anything, big or small, but hundreds of ants in my apt were too much for me. Hopefully it doesn't effect my karma too badly!

~z

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silvertree173

Monday, August 30, 2004 12:31 PM

Re: Fw: Fish cruelty

There's nothing wrong with you. I get laughed at by my friends because I won't eat fishies anymore(except for the candy ones ;o). I also scared a cat away from a goldfish pond recently because it was about to pounce on one of the fish. I've got a question: since veganism and animal rights seem to go hand in hand, what do you all think about pests? For example, I came home one day to a horror- my home had been invaded by big fuzzy black flies. I was so disgusted I was screaming and swatting them left and right. I wouldn't have cared or bothered them if they were outside, but I was not going to live with them in my house, so I bought traps and killed all the ones I couldn't swat or shoo out the windows. I don't think that makes me inhumane but I was wondering what a vegan perspective would be while I was ridding my house of them. I'm know I'm opening myself up to criticism here and I can take it, just don't be too hard on me please ;o)Peace,~Chrissie~ , "Cynthia Gadarian" <cgadarian@a...> wrote:> I do not think so, but I can check. Is there something wrong with me? I am the only one I know of here who actually turns the channel because I cannot stand to watch it. Of course, my "friends" all fell on the floor laughing when I couldn't view the ad because it was "just a goldfish, the rats of the fish world." Cynthia> - > Ian McDonald > > Sunday, August 29, 2004 4:03 PM> Re: Fw: Fish cruelty> > > In Britain, we have an advertising standards authority we can complain> to. Do you have anything similar in the states?> > > To send an email to - > > >

August 30, 2004

I think if you can't shoo them out then you have to kill them. The best idea though is to try to dissuade them from coming in in the first place. There are several herbs that they don't like - you could grow them on the windowsills. You can have an essential oil burner and use citronella.

Jo

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silvertree173

Monday, August 30, 2004 6:31 PM

Re: Fw: Fish cruelty

There's nothing wrong with you. I get laughed at by my friends because I won't eat fishies anymore(except for the candy ones ;o). I also scared a cat away from a goldfish pond recently because it was about to pounce on one of the fish. I've got a question: since veganism and animal rights seem to go hand in hand, what do you all think about pests? For example, I came home one day to a horror- my home had been invaded by big fuzzy black flies. I was so disgusted I was screaming and swatting them left and right. I wouldn't have cared or bothered them if they were outside, but I was not going to live with them in my house, so I bought traps and killed all the ones I couldn't swat or shoo out the windows. I don't think that makes me inhumane but I was wondering what a vegan perspective would be while I was ridding my house of them. I'm know I'm opening myself up to criticism here and I can take it, just don't be too hard on me please ;o)Peace,~Chrissie~ , "Cynthia Gadarian" <cgadarian@a...> wrote:> I do not think so, but I can check. Is there something wrong with me? I am the only one I know of here who actually turns the channel because I cannot stand to watch it. Of course, my "friends" all fell on the floor laughing when I couldn't view the ad because it was "just a goldfish, the rats of the fish world." Cynthia> - > Ian McDonald > > Sunday, August 29, 2004 4:03 PM> Re: Fw: Fish cruelty> > > In Britain, we have an advertising standards authority we can complain> to. Do you have anything similar in the states?> > > To send an email to - > > >

August 31, 2004

I don't know where/how they got in. All of a sudden they were just

there. I like the idea of citronella- maybe a candle because I suck

at growing plants! )

, " Jo bb " <Heartwork@b...> wrote:

> I think if you can't shoo them out then you have to kill them. The

best idea though is to try to dissuade them from coming in in the

first place. There are several herbs that they don't like - you could

grow them on the windowsills. You can have an essential oil burner

and use citronella.

>

> Jo

> -

> silvertree173

>

> Monday, August 30, 2004 6:31 PM

> Re: Fw: Fish cruelty

>

> There's nothing wrong with you. I get laughed at by my friends

> because I won't eat fishies anymore(except for the candy ones ;o). I

> also scared a cat away from a goldfish pond recently because it was

> about to pounce on one of the fish. I've got a question: since

> veganism and animal rights seem to go hand in hand, what do you all

> think about pests? For example, I came home one day to a horror- my

> home had been invaded by big fuzzy black flies. I was so disgusted I

> was screaming and swatting them left and right. I wouldn't have

> cared or bothered them if they were outside, but I was not going to

> live with them in my house, so I bought traps and killed all the ones

> I couldn't swat or shoo out the windows. I don't think that makes me

> inhumane but I was wondering what a vegan perspective would be while

> I was ridding my house of them. I'm know I'm opening myself up to

> criticism here and I can take it, just don't be too hard on me

> please ;o)

> Peace,

> ~Chrissie~

>

> , " Cynthia Gadarian "

> <cgadarian@a...> wrote:

> > I do not think so, but I can check. Is there something wrong with

> me? I am the only one I know of here who actually turns the channel

> because I cannot stand to watch it. Of course, my " friends " all fell

> on the floor laughing when I couldn't view the ad because it

> was " just a goldfish, the rats of the fish world. " Cynthia

> > -

> > Ian McDonald

> >

> > Sunday, August 29, 2004 4:03 PM

> > Re: Fw: Fish cruelty

> >

> > In Britain, we have an advertising standards authority we can

> complain

> > to. Do you have anything similar in the states?

> >

> > To send an email to -

>

> >

August 31, 2004

I was walking home from my mothers the other night with my daughters when one of them spotted a bee on my shirt. I walked two streets until I found a garden with lots of flowers and leaves, and put him on a flower. Several young passers by thought I was mad walking along with a bee sitting on my hand, a few teenage girls even took to verbally abusing me?........don`t know where that came from. My daughters are used to this behaviour, as I do it all the time ( and have never been stung or bitten by anything yet!).

The Valley Vegan......Zachary Johnson <z.johnson wrote:

I generally will take outside any insect or spider that has come into my home. Other times, I will just leave them be... a spider crawling on the wall, a flying critter or two.. that doesn't really bother me. But I too had an infestation a few months ago. I brought home a coffee table that I got from my parents friends' garage. Along with the coffee table, I got what seemed to be hundreds of ants. In just a few days, I had several spots in my house that had turned into ant colonies. Ants don't bother me, and of course I would never purposely step on one while I was walking around, but these ants had infested my apartment. So I bought some ant traps, and a week later, after some extremely cold weather (and the ant traps), I only saw a few ants, which I let wander around my house. I can't really justify killing the ants, although they were all over the table I eat dinner on, in my shower, and in my bedroom,

but I did buy ant traps and even smushed a few of them. I certainly didn't want to kill them, but I didn't want to turn my apartment into a gigantic ant farm. I don't ever want to have to kill anything, big or small, but hundreds of ants in my apt were too much for me. Hopefully it doesn't effect my karma too badly!

~z

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silvertree173

Monday, August 30, 2004 12:31 PM

Re: Fw: Fish cruelty

There's nothing wrong with you. I get laughed at by my friends because I won't eat fishies anymore(except for the candy ones ;o). I also scared a cat away from a goldfish pond recently because it was about to pounce on one of the fish. I've got a question: since veganism and animal rights seem to go hand in hand, what do you all think about pests? For example, I came home one day to a horror- my home had been invaded by big fuzzy black flies. I was so disgusted I was screaming and swatting them left and right. I wouldn't have cared or bothered them if they were outside, but I was not going to live with them in my house, so I bought traps and killed all the ones I couldn't swat or shoo out the windows. I don't think that makes me inhumane but I was wondering what a vegan perspective would be while I was ridding my house of them. I'm know I'm opening myself up to criticism here and I

can take it, just don't be too hard on me please ;o)Peace,~Chrissie~ , "Cynthia Gadarian" <cgadarian@a...> wrote:> I do not think so, but I can check. Is there something wrong with me? I am the only one I know of here who actually turns the channel because I cannot stand to watch it. Of course, my "friends" all fell on the floor laughing when I couldn't view the ad because it was "just a goldfish, the rats of the fish world." Cynthia> - > Ian McDonald > > Sunday, August 29, 2004 4:03 PM> Re: Fw: Fish cruelty> > > In Britain, we have an advertising standards authority we can complain> to. Do you have anything similar in the

states?> > > To send an email to - > > >

August 31, 2004

when I was a child, I was told to stomp and get rid of any insects

that I saw, when children see adults handle the insects this way,

this is what they will do. I am glad that you are teaching by

example. I too am doing the same. I have two boys ages 20 months

and a six year old and they have a great relationship with insects.

I was always a nature lover from afar. being born and raised in New

york city, I never thought that I would have this daily dilema of

how to handle insects. I remember being in stuck in my tiny

apartment, wishing that I would be in/around or surounded by nature

or to have a huge backyard. Then someone told me to be careful what

I wished for. now I know what they meant.

We were then finally able to afford a house, and my criteraia was

that I wanted a huge backyard and didn't care so much about the

house. We found one that was real cheap, becuse it needed lots of

work, but had a huge backyard.

I do like it here, but the little creatures problem is sure a

challenge, me being a vegan.

Everyone else around here has perfectly green lawns and they have no

problem using Roundup by monsanto. (which is banned in Belgium, but

on sale at my local Home Depot).

The first day that we got here, it was around 7 pm, and there where

five frogs on the door.

Later on, the next day, I woke up and found a snake, in my bedroom.

I was petrified in fear, having never even seen one. I just stood

there. It stood up, stuck out its tongue, looked at me in the eyes

and left. I was alone.

I told my husband. Later on that day, I went out for something,

when I came home, he said " you don't need to worry, I took care of

it " . He had killed it. I was upset.

He thought he was doing me a favor. I love him dearly, but he is

just a vegetarian. Later on that night we looked up the snake on

the internet and found out it was just a garden snake. (olive

colored and very long). and was actually beneficial for our garden

because it would keep the population of other creatures down. my

husband is sorry now.

Along with bearded lizards I also have myriads of multicolored,

spiders with spikes, my solution to this is to leave them alone and

look them up in the internet to see if they are poisonous. I have

yet to find a poisonous one. The other day, I though that I saw a

baby scorpion, but I'm not sure.

I also have tons of wasps nest buzzing about. The first week, my

husband killed them. (he was worried about the children). But they

came back!

After doing research on them on the internet, I found out that they

were the less aggresive kind, the Paper Wasps. Actually quite

remarcable because they go around chewing wood of off trees, then,

they turn this wood into paper nests for their babies.

now I just leave them alone, and they don't bother me. In fact my

boisterous six year old almost always sways the branch that their

nest is on, as he passes by carelessly. They just leave and come

back. Perhaps I am being naive. but so far nothing has happened.

my latest problem is having tons of imported argentinian red fire

ants. Honestly, I really do want to kill them. I looked up on the

internet of a natural way to get rid of them. They suggested

pouring boiling water over their colonies. I guess that's natural.

Their sting hurts and leaves a pus like pimple on our skins.

We found an orange oil solution at the health food store and pour it

on them, but they just build the colony nearby instead. There are

also large holes in the ground dug up with exits and entries. I have

no idea what lives there. The mosquitoes, I am starting to get used

to their bites and I do have citronella. What can I do?

I guess what I am trying to say is, It is very, very dificult being

a vegan and having insects. Some of them we just have to live with

and educated ourselves about. I alway try not to kill as my first

instinct and try to look at alternatives, if possible. They want to

live.

That snake was just as frightened as I was and did not deserve to

die. I am convinced that these insects know that I am vegan and

that's why they chose my yard. I has become a little habitat for all

sorts of creatures including birds and squirrels, butterflies. I am

not so afraid anymore, and feel more at peace with them, and have

become proud. My friends think I'm crazy, but that's nothing new.

It's not easy being vegan.

-anouk

, peter hurd <swpgh01@t...> wrote:

> I was walking home from my mothers the other night with my

daughters when one of them spotted a bee on my shirt. I walked two

streets until I found a garden with lots of flowers and leaves, and

put him on a flower. Several young passers by thought I was mad

walking along with a bee sitting on my hand, a few teenage girls even

took to verbally abusing me?........don`t know where that came from.

My daughters are used to this behaviour, as I do it all the time (

and have never been stung or bitten by anything yet!).

> The Valley Vegan......

>

September 1, 2004

I think bugs are like dogs- they know when you're afraid of them.

It's probably why I've been stung numerous times and you can

peacefully coexist.. I'll walk up to almost any dog with my palm out

for them to sniff, but I'm when it comes to bugs, I'm a huge chicken

(even though I don't eat chickens

~Chrissie~

, peter hurd <swpgh01@t...> wrote:

> I was walking home from my mothers the other night with my daughters

when one of them spotted a bee on my shirt. I walked two streets until

I found a garden with lots of flowers and leaves, and put him on a

flower. Several young passers by thought I was mad walking along with

a bee sitting on my hand, a few teenage girls even took to verbally

abusing me?........don`t know where that came from. My daughters are

used to this behaviour, as I do it all the time ( and have never been

stung or bitten by anything yet!).

> The Valley Vegan......

>

> Zachary Johnson <z.johnson@m...> wrote:

> I generally will take outside any insect or spider that has come

into my home. Other times, I will just leave them be... a spider

crawling on the wall, a flying critter or two.. that doesn't really

bother me. But I too had an infestation a few months ago. I brought

home a coffee table that I got from my parents friends' garage. Along

with the coffee table, I got what seemed to be hundreds of ants. In

just a few days, I had several spots in my house that had turned into

ant colonies. Ants don't bother me, and of course I would never

purposely step on one while I was walking around, but these ants had

infested my apartment. So I bought some ant traps, and a week later,

after some extremely cold weather (and the ant traps), I only saw a

few ants, which I let wander around my house. I can't really justify

killing the ants, although they were all over the table I eat dinner

on, in my shower, and in my bedroom, but I did buy ant traps and even

smushed a few of them. I certainly

> didn't want to kill them, but I didn't want to turn my apartment

into a gigantic ant farm. I don't ever want to have to kill anything,

big or small, but hundreds of ants in my apt were too much for me.

Hopefully it doesn't effect my karma too badly!

> ~z

> -

> silvertree173

>

> Monday, August 30, 2004 12:31 PM