Guest guest Posted December 17, 2006 Report Share Posted December 17, 2006 In a message dated 12/17/06 11:50:03 AM Eastern Standard Time, jodi38107 writes: > Can our furry family members be healthy on such a diet? > Dogs, probably. Cats, iffy. While there are companies that make vegan pet food that supposedly contains all the nutrients that a cat requires you would have to start the cat off with when it was very, very young. Cats, notoriously, don't handle change well and tend to be far pickier about what they eat as opposed to dogs. Also, if a cat is prone to any urinary problems, a strictly vegan diet is not a good idea. I, personally, would never even attempt it. TM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2006 Report Share Posted December 17, 2006 Hi. My name is Jodi and I have just joined the list and as of yesterday took the plunge to adopt a vegan lifestyle. I'm feeling a wee bit overwhelmed, especially since Christmas is almost here and I have two non-vegan/vegetarian guests coming for dinner. What do you do for your " non " family members/friends? I'm doing this for ethical reasons, not health reasons, and I don't feel right purchasing meat even though it's not for me. Another question: what do you do about your pets? I noticed there is a file for pet recipes, but I'd like to hear from people who have vegan pets. Can our furry family members be healthy on such a diet? Too many questions...sigh... Thanks for reading this. Jodi in Memphis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2006 Report Share Posted December 17, 2006 Hi Jodi I am not sure putting pets on a vegan / vegetarian diet is beneficial. I know with cats that there are certain nutrients that they can only obtain from bone marrow and other sources. As for you guests, make it clear from the start that you will be serving a vegan meal. most vegetarians do not mind. In fact, most people will be open minded enough to try it. The benefit of belonging to this group is that there is a huge range of ideas and recipes that I knw will make your Christmas Dinner a success jodi38107 <jodi38107 wrote: Hi. My name is Jodi and I have just joined the list and as of yesterday took the plunge to adopt a vegan lifestyle. I'm feeling a wee bit overwhelmed, especially since Christmas is almost here and I have two non-vegan/vegetarian guests coming for dinner. What do you do for your " non " family members/friends? I'm doing this for ethical reasons, not health reasons, and I don't feel right purchasing meat even though it's not for me. Another question: what do you do about your pets? I noticed there is a file for pet recipes, but I'd like to hear from people who have vegan pets. Can our furry family members be healthy on such a diet? Too many questions...sigh... Thanks for reading this. Jodi in Memphis Check out the all-new Mail beta - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2006 Report Share Posted December 17, 2006 I'm sorry I'm not much help regarding veganism because I'm a L/O vegetarian. My family eats meat, but I don't, I won't buy it or cook it, but I won't argue w/ DH cooking it if he wants it, after all he's an adult. I'd say go for making a great vegan spread & let your guests bring dishes with them if they'd like. They'll probably enjoy your vegan food and might not notice the difference anyway! Good luck & congrats on your decision Whit PS. My choice to be a veggie was ethical as well...I won't eat my dog I won't eat any other animal. WELCOME TO THE GROUP! jodi38107 <jodi38107 wrote: Hi. My name is Jodi and I have just joined the list and as of yesterday took the plunge to adopt a vegan lifestyle. I'm feeling a wee bit overwhelmed, especially since Christmas is almost here and I have two non-vegan/vegetarian guests coming for dinner. What do you do for your " non " family members/friends? I'm doing this for ethical reasons, not health reasons, and I don't feel right purchasing meat even though it's not for me. Another question: what do you do about your pets? I noticed there is a file for pet recipes, but I'd like to hear from people who have vegan pets. Can our furry family members be healthy on such a diet? Too many questions...sigh... Thanks for reading this. Jodi in Memphis ~*~Whitney~*~ Feminism is the radical notion that women are people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2006 Report Share Posted December 17, 2006 Well for us I am the only one that is not eating meat. So my FIL is buying a ham and bringing it for everyone else to eat. I told DH I wasn't buying it and so FIL said he would order one and bring it. I'm not thrilled about it but I didn't buy it and it makes them all happy. If we were at their house it would be there anyway so I figure that its just better everyone is happy. Mine is for health reasons though so I probably don't feel as strongly about it as you do. ) Rachel ~ http://www.thelucastribe.com ~ KUSTOMIZED KIDS ~ http://www.cafepress.com/kustomizedkids Baby & Kids, Pregnancy, Natural Parenting, Wedding, & Personalized Clothing Designs Christmas designs are up! - jodi38107 Sunday, December 17, 2006 11:29 AM New Member and Newby Vegan Intro Hi. My name is Jodi and I have just joined the list and as of yesterday took the plunge to adopt a vegan lifestyle. I'm feeling a wee bit overwhelmed, especially since Christmas is almost here and I have two non-vegan/vegetarian guests coming for dinner. What do you do for your " non " family members/friends? I'm doing this for ethical reasons, not health reasons, and I don't feel right purchasing meat even though it's not for me. Another question: what do you do about your pets? I noticed there is a file for pet recipes, but I'd like to hear from people who have vegan pets. Can our furry family members be healthy on such a diet? Too many questions...sigh... Thanks for reading this. Jodi in Memphis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2006 Report Share Posted December 17, 2006 On humans There are many " meat-like " recipes available. If you look back at the past messages in the group's website you will find archives a discussion on TofyTurkey, Quorn Roast (tastes great, that one I did try). Quorn also makes a great no chicken chicken nugget. These are all vegitarian, but not vegan. I made a vegan luchin kuggel (spelling) for a " House Lighting " last nicgt. A number of the women there complemented the kuggle. When I told them there was no cheeze in it, they did not believe me. When I said it was tofu, they were very surprised as they did not like tofu ... till last night. I am sure that this post will precipitate a few good recipes for you to make your guests. As for out pets. Yes there are vegitarian recipes available. My feelings. These are not good for your dogs, cats, etc.. The human being is not a carnevor. We have enjoyed terming ourselves as omnivores ... animials that eat a wide range of animial and plant life, but we forced ourselves to this. It is not what we were evoved for. i believe it is estimated that we digest about 10% of the beef we eat. The remainder either adhears to the walls of our intestines for long periods of time or is eliminated, nutrients and all. If we has the percentages of acids in our stomach that your pet dog has, that acid would eat it's way to your feet in seconds. The dog ann cat families however are evolved as meat eaters. Thay are the difinition of Carnevour. They have the tooth structure to trear apart their prey and to gulp the meat down with out chewing as we know it. They have the acids in their stomach to desolve the meat and get the nurishment from it. You may be against the killing of animials, and for that matter I am also. You have however taken it on yourself to raise a pet that by nature eats other animials. I feel that to be responsible means that your obligated to feed that pet what nature intended it to eat. I also feel that by restricting it to a vegetarian diet will ultimately be harmful to the pet's health. I am not saying that this is a fact. I am sure in my mind however that there is a very good possibility that manufactures just might say ... " Here is a great opportunity to make money. Let's ,make vegetarian cat and dog foods. We can charge more also as it will be condidered a 'speciality item'. Hay. NYC used to have, may still, a restaurant for pets. They had place settings, napkins and all ... and charged through the nose for the meal. My feelings ... Just say ... " I love you " ... hold your nose and dump that can of meat into your pet's dish. That, or buy a rabbit, Cockatoo or a duck. They are vegetarian by evolution. Alyssia - " jodi38107 " <jodi38107 Sunday, December 17, 2006 11:29 AM New Member and Newby Vegan Intro > Hi. My name is Jodi and I have just joined the list and as of > yesterday took the plunge to adopt a vegan lifestyle. I'm feeling a > wee bit overwhelmed, especially since Christmas is almost here and I > have two non-vegan/vegetarian guests coming for dinner. What do you > do for your " non " family members/friends? I'm doing this for ethical > reasons, not health reasons, and I don't feel right purchasing meat > even though it's not for me. > > Another question: what do you do about your pets? I noticed there is > a file for pet recipes, but I'd like to hear from people who have > vegan pets. Can our furry family members be healthy on such a diet? > > Too many questions...sigh... > > Thanks for reading this. > > Jodi in Memphis > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2006 Report Share Posted December 17, 2006 Look through the recipe files, we have a vegan lentil loaf and many yummy recipes that even the non-vegs enjoy. I'm L/O vegetarian and my cat isn't a vegetarian, I talked to him about it and he said NO WAY! LOL Welcome in here with us. Donna --- jodi38107 <jodi38107 wrote: > Hi. My name is Jodi and I have just joined the list > and as of > yesterday took the plunge to adopt a vegan > lifestyle. Don't be angry with life. There are so many things to be happy for. Cold, fresh water, green leaves and the eyes of good people. Eva Hedén Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2006 Report Share Posted December 17, 2006 Hi Jodi. Good for you for switching! I'm not quite vegan (yet) but I do hope to be one day... till then at least I'm not killing anybody. For Christmas there are bizillions of things you can make that are waaaaay too good for anyone eating it to miss the meat. My parents aren't vegetarian and yet they're really looking forward to coming here in a couple of weeks, they can't wait to try the new things I've learned to make. As for pets- it is difficult to keep them healthy on a vegetarian or vegan diet, but it is possible. Both my dogs are vegetarian, nearly vegan, and in great health. Well, my older girl has some problems but they're not diet-related. Even cats and ferrets can eat a veg diet. Supplements like carnitine and taurine are absolutely necessary for cats, and very beneficial for dogs. There's a group called Veggie Pets, you could check it out and ask any questions you have about a veg diet for pets. I'm pretty new to it so I don't know everything, but there are some people there who have been doing this for years and have very healthy animals. It's definitely possible. My dogs, rats, mice, and hamster are all vegetarian. One day we will have a cat, who will be vegetarian as well. Done correctly a veg diet for animals can reduce heart disease and cancer. So it's possible, just get lots of information first and supplement whatever you need to. There are even several brands of commercial vegetarian and vegan pet foods. Most of them seem to not be made from crap like other food is made out of. Some of it is really good stuff. Kadee Sedtal Build a man a fire and he'll stay warm for a day. Set a man on fire and he'll stay warm the rest of his life. Check out my new Classical 2 at http://launch.classical2/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2006 Report Share Posted December 17, 2006 LOL Donna I dont think my cats would make the transition easy at all. Steph Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2006 Report Share Posted December 17, 2006 Mine wouldn't either. LOL They would stomp their little feet and yowl loudly. Then they would progress over to my screens and toe nail it, trying to get my attention, saying " Where's the beef? " LOL Judy - Steph Sunday, December 17, 2006 3:00 PM Re: New Member and Newby Vegan Intro LOL Donna I dont think my cats would make the transition easy at all. Steph Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2006 Report Share Posted December 19, 2006 We sort of became vegetarian because of one of our pets. For the last few years, we've had guinea pigs. (Before that, we had cats and I was raised with a dog. It's a different world.) DH started to have some difficulty eating his rare roast beef sandwich (which he LOVED) while looking down at the pigger in his run. When that little furboy died, DH went vegetarian. Rather than cook two meals, I ate veggie at home. We don't go out that often, so after a couple of months, I went L-O veggie too. :-) We are now on piggies number two and four. (Number three had to be put down in August from cancer.) Da Boyz are herbivores by nature. I think DH thinks they recruited him to their club. :-) Our old cats would NOT have approved. My dog would have been confused. -ginger north of Boston piggy slave to Butterscotch J. Furpants and Mike T. Pig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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