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Karen,

From what book did you post the MSG info?

I have a friend who constantly pulls out-dated or really stupid, fabricated

food " facts " out of her, ah, ear. Often they involve MSG, that thickener

(the name of which escapes me right now), etc. I'd like to actually supply

something she can read, along with the source.

 

Thanks!

Christine

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It's from our cookbook of the week this week, Simply Heavenly! by Abbot George

Burke. I wouldn't just take his word for it though and would look for

additional resources and information.

 

Jennifer Hall sent this:

everything you kneed to know about MSG:

http://ificinfo.health.org/brochure/msg.htm

migraine headaches and MSG: http://www.magicnet.net/~btnature/

 

 

Karen

 

Christine F Muehling wrote:

 

> Karen,

> >From what book did you post the MSG info?

> I have a friend who constantly pulls out-dated or really stupid, fabricated

> food " facts " out of her, ah, ear. Often they involve MSG, that thickener

> (the name of which escapes me right now), etc. I'd like to actually supply

> something she can read, along with the source.

>

> Thanks!

> Christine

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Raven,

 

I agree. I do't think MSG is good for anyone. I was ust lookiingthis up and

found that MSG is produced naturally out of salt, water and glutamate, which is

a naturally occuring amino acid found in food. I don't know why it would turn

poisonous when it is fermenting but arsenic is also natural and deadly. Here is

agood link that also tells some foods that contain MSG like Autolyzed Yeast and

Seasonings.

 

http://curezone.com/foods/msg.asp

GB

 

Re: what herb or spice do we detest?????

 

This reminded me of something...

What exactly is MSG? I can't eat at Chinese Buffets anymore because I

always get sick to my stomach afterward, and I was told that it was

because of the MSG.

~Raven~

 

 

 

 

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In a message dated 4/9/2006 5:47:02 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

greatyoga writes:

 

I think a good rule of thumb is that if you have trouble pronouncing an

ingredient, then it's probably not healthy.

 

 

Haha, agreed! ;-)

 

***Sara***

 

 

 

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OTOH, you guys might want to see these:

 

jeffrey steingarten (the man who ate everything)'s " expose " of MSG and

umami:

 

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/foodmonthly/story/0,9950,1522368,00.html --

 

the title is: If MSG is so bad for you, why doesn't everyone in Asia have a

headache?

 

and the debate continues:

 

http://www.glutamate.org/default.asp

http://www.glutamate.org/media/discovery_of_glutamate.asp

http://www.cfsan.fda.gov/~lrd/msg.html

http://www.msgmyth.com/hidename.htm

http://www.msgfacts.com/facts/msgfacts.html

http://www.msg.org.au/main.html

 

then decide.

 

i don't use MSG in my cooking, but umami and naturally occurring glutamate

is a very interesting area to explore

 

in fact there's been a cookbook written entitled The Fifth Taste: Cooking

with Umami, which I'd quote here except it's not really a vegetarian book.

There are some really yummy vegetarian recipes in it though.

 

fascinating stuff.

 

--

http://www.stefoodie.net (now a wheat-free, egg-free, dairy-free blog)

http://www.noodlesandrice.com (with b5media)

http://www.beyondadobo.com

 

On 4/9/06, RhymeMaster0313 <RhymeMaster0313 wrote:

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>

> In a message dated 4/9/2006 5:47:02 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

> greatyoga writes:

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> I think a good rule of thumb is that if you have trouble pronouncing an

> ingredient, then it's probably not healthy.

>

>

> Haha, agreed! ;-)

>

> ***Sara***

>

>

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Stephanie,

 

That was definitely an interesting article. I was wondering why it reacted

the way it does (supposedly according to some in the article). It seems to be

made by a fairly natural process. I am not sure if the people in Asia do not

get headaches etc. I just know my own reaction. I have eaten some things

without giving it a thought. I might get a slight headache or my nerves get a

little shaky. Then I would go and look at the label of what i ate and it

contains another name for MSG. When I was in grade school, I used to watch my

mom cook and take her jar of Accent, shake some in my palm and eat it. It

tasted like salt to me.

 

Assuming that they make MSG the way it is " supposed " to be made, what is the

difference between MSG in the West and in Asia? My guess would be the chemicals

in the process. How did they get there? If they use molassess, they use a lot

of chemicals to separate it from white sugar, which itself not healthy. Maybe

from pesticides. Pesticide use increased quite a bit when they first discovered

people's reaction to MSG. If they use seaweed to make MSG, then maybe there

were chemicals from runoff. It does seem like there shoudl be more study on

this and I would like the information on the whole manufacturing process from

where they get the foods to how it is packaged.

 

GB

Re: MSG

 

OTOH, you guys might want to see these:

 

jeffrey steingarten (the man who ate everything)'s " expose " of MSG and

umami:

 

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/foodmonthly/story/0,9950,1522368,00.html

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hi guru,

 

http://www.truthinlabeling.org/HowIsItManufactured.html

 

and more info here on manufactured vs. natural:

 

http://www.truthinlabeling.org/manufac.html

 

i don't remember getting headaches as a child, my mom had ajinomoto in

her kitchen, but then it was also used judiciously, not more than a

pinch, and not every dish got " the treatment " . likewise in most of my

friends' and family's homes. of course, i don't know how much genetic

engineering they used back then in the 70's. i don't know if the MSG

we used then was " more natural " than the stuff you can get now. my

mom did start experiencing CRS when we migrated to the US in '86.

LOL, i used to do the same thing with ajinomoto as you did with Accent

-- put it on my palm and lick it.

 

 

, Guru Khalsa <greatyoga

wrote:

>

> Stephanie,

>

> That was definitely an interesting article. I was wondering why

it reacted the way it does (supposedly according to some in the

article). It seems to be made by a fairly natural process. I am not

sure if the people in Asia do not get headaches etc. I just know my

own reaction. I have eaten some things without giving it a thought.

I might get a slight headache or my nerves get a little shaky. Then I

would go and look at the label of what i ate and it contains another

name for MSG. When I was in grade school, I used to watch my mom cook

and take her jar of Accent, shake some in my palm and eat it. It

tasted like salt to me.

>

> Assuming that they make MSG the way it is " supposed " to be made,

what is the difference between MSG in the West and in Asia? My guess

would be the chemicals in the process. How did they get there? If

they use molassess, they use a lot of chemicals to separate it from

white sugar, which itself not healthy. Maybe from pesticides.

Pesticide use increased quite a bit when they first discovered

people's reaction to MSG. If they use seaweed to make MSG, then maybe

there were chemicals from runoff. It does seem like there shoudl be

more study on this and I would like the information on the whole

manufacturing process from where they get the foods to how it is packaged.

>

> GB

> Re: MSG

>

> OTOH, you guys might want to see these:

>

> jeffrey steingarten (the man who ate everything)'s " expose " of MSG and

> umami:

>

> http://observer.guardian.co.uk/foodmonthly/story/0,9950,1522368,00.html

> --

>

>

>

>

>

> Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls.

Great rates starting at 1 & cent;/min.

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I think msg is one of those subjects where we'll find plenty of both pro and

con websites about.

 

http://www.msg.org.au/main.html#Safe

 

http://www.msgmyth.com/

 

You'll find both sides above.

 

I think it is probably a case by case thing with each person on how they may

or may not react to msg.

 

On 4/20/06, Shelly <> wrote:

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> I just did a search for MSG subs and it said " kelp or omit from

> recipe " . Is there really nothing else that can replace the flavor or

> is it not a flavor thing? Guess I need to read more about MSG.

>

> Shelly

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I am highly sensitive to msg...I am wired for hours after I eat it, so I don't

dare eat anything with it after 2pm...it is in nearly all brand name flavored

potato chips or Doritos, bottled or pre packaged salad dressings, packaged

instant noodles or rice mixes, many soups, and probably many more products from

the local grocery store. I read in a magazine ad in People Magazine that there

is a pending law suit involving msg...didn't have time to read and digest it

all, but it involved many companies who use msg in their products. It pays to

read ingredients and listen to one's body.

 

 

 

chelsea_cheetah <chelsea_cheetah wrote:

Thanks, I will forward this. My family & friends consume too much MSG

Chelsea

, lavender dojay

<lavender_dojay wrote:

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> I thought you all might need to read this.

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> http://www.msgtruth.org/body.htm

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Mary Anne

 

 

 

 

 

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Erin

 

I looked at this page. I just wonder how they " purify " the MSG.

Often companies use chemicals to " purify " substances.

 

GB

 

, " Erin " <truepatriot wrote:

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> I found this page informative regarding MSG:

>

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monosodium_glutamate

>

> Note, in particular, the natural sources.

>

>

> -Erin

> www.zenpawn.com/vegblog

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How? Logically ... Alyssia logic that is. If you have a 'dirty' substance

and you clean it up in a way that it's chemical structure is not changed, it

is still that same chemical substance .. and still ..in the case of MSG,

will have the same effects/affects on the human system. If you have an

alergy to MSG the odds are that you will be raced to the hospital gust the

same .... except maybe in a " clean " ambulence.

 

Example:

 

Hydroginated hoils are bad for us as I look at it ... partially or fully.

 

Chocolate, if not fortified, would spread out like a pancake. Could you

sell a " kiss " ot a " bar " if they looked like a 'flap-jack' ?

 

How do chocolate bars and candies hold those unique shapes? Simple. A

fully hydroginated oil is incorpotated with it.

 

Here however is where a second problem occurs. The fully hydroginated oil

is " dirty " and needs to be cleaned. The cheapest and easiest way is a

chemical bath. As I understand it, the chemical used. or one very similar,

is also sold under a trade name. The brand name for it is Draino. There

are two heavy metals in the solution, one being aluminum. When the chemical

itself is washed out of the hydroginate, traces of the heavy metals remain

behind (with who knows what else). Ergo ... most chocolates have aluminum

in them ... We know what deaseses aluminum is associated with.

 

There is asso an alcaline method to clean the hydroginate. Even though it

is safer for human consumption it is also more expensive so therefore, money

being the controling force, few companies use this method.

 

Read those labels .... " non-alum " or Non-Aluminum .... or Alcaline process

will be on the ingredient label to discribe the chocolate.

 

 

 

 

-

" Guru K " <greatyoga

 

Tuesday, January 02, 2007 12:59 PM

Re: MSG

 

 

> Erin

>

> I looked at this page. I just wonder how they " purify " the MSG.

> Often companies use chemicals to " purify " substances.

>

> GB

>

> , " Erin " <truepatriot wrote:

>>

>> I found this page informative regarding MSG:

>>

>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monosodium_glutamate

>>

>> Note, in particular, the natural sources.

>>

>>

>> -Erin

>> www.zenpawn.com/vegblog

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