Guest guest Posted September 22, 2004 Report Share Posted September 22, 2004 Hi all: I'm just whining because I went to visit a friend over the weekend and she made me feel really bad about my vegetarian eating habits. She is a really great friend and I love her dearly but she just doesn't understand this about me and always says I am " emaciated " and " deathly pale " and that I am going to make myself sick because I'm not eating the right things, etc. She thinks I am going to fall apart and I know she worries but I think I'm ok. I may not always get the right nutrients but I try to be as healthy as possible and not base my entire diet on crap. I dunno. ~Chrissie~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2004 Report Share Posted September 22, 2004 Chrissie, Don't feel bad, we have ALL gone through some sort of "lecture" from someone we love. They think that just because main stream America eats meat that it is the healthy thing to do, but it is not...and we all know this, the meat eaters are just in denial. Maybe to her you look pale, but maybe she's looking a little extra hard! Even meat eaters look pale at times! geesh....as long as you are nutritioning your body you're fine! She needs to respect your decision and if she's really a good friend you need to tell her this! Maybe she's jealous at your will power..... Was that a horrible thing to say?? sorrwwwyyy PJsilvertree173 <stellarlunar77 wrote: Hi all: I'm just whining because I went to visit a friend over theweekend and she made me feel really bad about my vegetarian eatinghabits. She is a really great friend and I love her dearly but shejust doesn't understand this about me and always says I am "emaciated"and "deathly pale" and that I am going to make myself sick because I'mnot eating the right things, etc. She thinks I am going to fall apartand I know she worries but I think I'm ok. I may not always get theright nutrients but I try to be as healthy as possible and not base myentire diet on crap. I dunno.~Chrissie~To send an email to - "Never frown, someone could be falling in love with your smile." Lots of love, **PJ** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2004 Report Share Posted September 23, 2004 PJ: She'll never get me being veggie. She's a Burger girl. But I love and respect her no matter what she eats... I know she's working on doing the same for me. And her boyfriend tells her to knock it off when she gets to be too much.. She did buy me soy milk the last couple of times I visited. Good soy milk too. It's a brand called Sun Soy and if you haven't tried it I highly recommend. I just get down sometimes because people are always telling me I'm starving myself and blah blah blah... They can't say that today thought! I stuffed my face all day... cereal, a foot long veggie sub (lettuce, tomato, pickles, peppers, olives), oatmeal/chocolate chip cookies, swedish fish... I'm so full! ~Chrissie~ , PJ <pjsparkles80> wrote: > Chrissie, > Don't feel bad, we have ALL gone through some sort of " lecture " from someone we love. They think that just because main stream America eats meat that it is the healthy thing to do, but it is not...and we all know this, the meat eaters are just in denial. Maybe to her you look pale, but maybe she's looking a little extra hard! Even meat eaters look pale at times! geesh....as long as you are nutritioning your body you're fine! > She needs to respect your decision and if she's really a good friend you need to tell her this! > Maybe she's jealous at your will power..... > Was that a horrible thing to say?? sorrwwwyyy > PJ > > silvertree173 <stellarlunar77> wrote: > Hi all: I'm just whining because I went to visit a friend over the > weekend and she made me feel really bad about my vegetarian eating > habits. She is a really great friend and I love her dearly but she > just doesn't understand this about me and always says I am " emaciated " > and " deathly pale " and that I am going to make myself sick because I'm > not eating the right things, etc. She thinks I am going to fall apart > and I know she worries but I think I'm ok. I may not always get the > right nutrients but I try to be as healthy as possible and not base my > entire diet on crap. I dunno. > ~Chrissie~ > > > > To send an email to - > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2004 Report Share Posted September 23, 2004 i had a friend to stay this weekend, and i enjoyed her company.however she bought some dairy milk and yoghurts and brought them back to my house. i am not sure i like having it in my fridge, it makes me feel sick seeing it there....my brother stayed the week before, and he drank my soya milk. he seemed to get the point. where do we draw the line at being good host, respecting our own boundaries and those of the poor dairy cow etc? catherine > " silvertree173 " <stellarlunar77 > > > Re: Just wanting to whine >Thu, 23 Sep 2004 00:32:18 -0000 > >PJ: She'll never get me being veggie. She's a Burger girl. But I >love and respect her no matter what she eats... I know she's working >on doing the same for me. And her boyfriend tells her to knock it off >when she gets to be too much.. She did buy me soy milk the last >couple of times I visited. Good soy milk too. It's a brand called >Sun Soy and if you haven't tried it I highly recommend. I just get >down sometimes because people are always telling me I'm starving >myself and blah blah blah... They can't say that today thought! I >stuffed my face all day... cereal, a foot long veggie sub (lettuce, >tomato, pickles, peppers, olives), oatmeal/chocolate chip cookies, >swedish fish... I'm so full! >~Chrissie~ > > , PJ <pjsparkles80> wrote: > > Chrissie, > > Don't feel bad, we have ALL gone through some sort of " lecture " from >someone we love. They think that just because main stream America >eats meat that it is the healthy thing to do, but it is not...and we >all know this, the meat eaters are just in denial. Maybe to her you >look pale, but maybe she's looking a little extra hard! Even meat >eaters look pale at times! geesh....as long as you are nutritioning >your body you're fine! > > She needs to respect your decision and if she's really a good friend >you need to tell her this! > > Maybe she's jealous at your will power..... > > Was that a horrible thing to say?? sorrwwwyyy > > PJ > > > > silvertree173 <stellarlunar77> wrote: > > Hi all: I'm just whining because I went to visit a friend over the > > weekend and she made me feel really bad about my vegetarian eating > > habits. She is a really great friend and I love her dearly but she > > just doesn't understand this about me and always says I am " emaciated " > > and " deathly pale " and that I am going to make myself sick because I'm > > not eating the right things, etc. She thinks I am going to fall apart > > and I know she worries but I think I'm ok. I may not always get the > > right nutrients but I try to be as healthy as possible and not base my > > entire diet on crap. I dunno. > > ~Chrissie~ > > > > > > > > To send an email to - > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2004 Report Share Posted September 23, 2004 umm might wanna check that Sun Soy out at one time it wasn't vegan.... silvertree173 Sep 22, 2004 5:32 PM Re: Just wanting to whine PJ: She'll never get me being veggie. She's a Burger girl. But Ilove and respect her no matter what she eats... I know she's workingon doing the same for me. And her boyfriend tells her to knock it offwhen she gets to be too much.. She did buy me soy milk the lastcouple of times I visited. Good soy milk too. It's a brand calledSun Soy and if you haven't tried it I highly recommend. I just getdown sometimes because people are always telling me I'm starvingmyself and blah blah blah... They can't say that today thought! Istuffed my face all day... cereal, a foot long veggie sub (lettuce,tomato, pickles, peppers, olives), oatmeal/chocolate chip cookies,swedish fish... I'm so full!~Chrissie~ , PJ <pjsparkles80> wrote:> Chrissie,> Don't feel bad, we have ALL gone through some sort of "lecture" fromsomeone we love. They think that just because main stream Americaeats meat that it is the healthy thing to do, but it is not...and weall know this, the meat eaters are just in denial. Maybe to her youlook pale, but maybe she's looking a little extra hard! Even meateaters look pale at times! geesh....as long as you are nutritioningyour body you're fine! > She needs to respect your decision and if she's really a good friendyou need to tell her this! > Maybe she's jealous at your will power.....> Was that a horrible thing to say?? sorrwwwyyy> PJ> > silvertree173 <stellarlunar77> wrote:> Hi all: I'm just whining because I went to visit a friend over the> weekend and she made me feel really bad about my vegetarian eating> habits. She is a really great friend and I love her dearly but she> just doesn't understand this about me and always says I am "emaciated"> and "deathly pale" and that I am going to make myself sick because I'm> not eating the right things, etc. She thinks I am going to fall apart> and I know she worries but I think I'm ok. I may not always get the> right nutrients but I try to be as healthy as possible and not base my> entire diet on crap. I dunno.> ~Chrissie~> > > > To send an email to - > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2004 Report Share Posted September 23, 2004 I don't know. It doesn't bother me really what other people eat so long as I don't have to see it. As for having it in my fridge, the dairy stuff wouldn't bother me but if it was meat I'd be grossed out like I am when my smartass 16 yr old brother shows me raw steak or opens his mouth when he's chewing steak. But again, he's 16, he's a boy, he's my brother. And I showed him my chewed up soynuts ;o) Sorry if any of this has grossed anyone out. ~Chrissie~ , " Catherine Harris " <cait2@h...> wrote: > i had a friend to stay this weekend, and i enjoyed her company.however she > bought some dairy milk and yoghurts and brought them back to my house. > > i am not sure i like having it in my fridge, it makes me feel sick seeing it > there....my brother stayed the week before, and he drank my soya milk. he > seemed to get the point. > > where do we draw the line at being good host, respecting our own boundaries > and those of the poor dairy cow etc? > > catherine > > > > " silvertree173 " <stellarlunar77> > > > > > > Re: Just wanting to whine > >Thu, 23 Sep 2004 00:32:18 -0000 > > > >PJ: She'll never get me being veggie. She's a Burger girl. But I > >love and respect her no matter what she eats... I know she's working > >on doing the same for me. And her boyfriend tells her to knock it off > >when she gets to be too much.. She did buy me soy milk the last > >couple of times I visited. Good soy milk too. It's a brand called > >Sun Soy and if you haven't tried it I highly recommend. I just get > >down sometimes because people are always telling me I'm starving > >myself and blah blah blah... They can't say that today thought! I > >stuffed my face all day... cereal, a foot long veggie sub (lettuce, > >tomato, pickles, peppers, olives), oatmeal/chocolate chip cookies, > >swedish fish... I'm so full! > >~Chrissie~ > > > > , PJ <pjsparkles80> wrote: > > > Chrissie, > > > Don't feel bad, we have ALL gone through some sort of " lecture " from > >someone we love. They think that just because main stream America > >eats meat that it is the healthy thing to do, but it is not...and we > >all know this, the meat eaters are just in denial. Maybe to her you > >look pale, but maybe she's looking a little extra hard! Even meat > >eaters look pale at times! geesh....as long as you are nutritioning > >your body you're fine! > > > She needs to respect your decision and if she's really a good friend > >you need to tell her this! > > > Maybe she's jealous at your will power..... > > > Was that a horrible thing to say?? sorrwwwyyy > > > PJ > > > > > > silvertree173 <stellarlunar77> wrote: > > > Hi all: I'm just whining because I went to visit a friend over the > > > weekend and she made me feel really bad about my vegetarian eating > > > habits. She is a really great friend and I love her dearly but she > > > just doesn't understand this about me and always says I am " emaciated " > > > and " deathly pale " and that I am going to make myself sick because I'm > > > not eating the right things, etc. She thinks I am going to fall apart > > > and I know she worries but I think I'm ok. I may not always get the > > > right nutrients but I try to be as healthy as possible and not base my > > > entire diet on crap. I dunno. > > > ~Chrissie~ > > > > > > > > > > > > To send an email to - > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2004 Report Share Posted September 23, 2004 well, i'm vegetarian, i don't eat dairy or eggs, like I wouldn't eat an omelette or drink a glass of milk, but i can't claim to be vegan because i eat stuff like dunkin donuts pumpkin muffins which i'm sure contain dairy and eggs. , fraggle <EBbrewpunx@e...> wrote: > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2004 Report Share Posted September 23, 2004 ok can't keep str8 who on this group is vegetarian anymore and who is vegan.... and yeah..i doubt there's much of anything at dunkin donuts which would be vegan..heck..i wonder if their stuff is even vegetarian..... time to make the donuts.... cheers fraggle silvertree173 Sep 23, 2004 6:05 AM Re: Just wanting to whine well, i'm vegetarian, i don't eat dairy or eggs, like I wouldn't eat an omelette or drink a glass of milk, but i can't claim to be vegan because i eat stuff like dunkin donuts pumpkin muffins which i'm sure contain dairy and eggs. , fraggle <EBbrewpunx@e...> wrote:> To send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2004 Report Share Posted September 24, 2004 Oh, ick, don't put that thought in my head. I love my pumpkin muffins. ~Chrissie~ , fraggle <EBbrewpunx@e...> wrote: > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2004 Report Share Posted September 25, 2004 sorry i have to, its in my contract just on a lark..i checked it out couldn't find dunkin donuts pumpkin muffins.. but here's there blueberry umm..no thanx... ickles Ingredients: Enriched Bleached Flour [Flour, Niacin, Iron (As Ferrous Sulfate), Thiamine Mononitrate, Enzyme, Riboflavin, Folic Acid], Sugar, Blueberries, Water, Eggs, Canola Oil, Contains Less Than 2% Of The Following: High Fructose Corn Syrup, Leavening (Baking Soda, Sodium Aluminum Phosphate, Aluminum Sulfate), Modified Corn Starch, Salt, Soy Protein Isolate, Whey, Maltodextrin, Mono And Diglycerides, Sodium Stearoyl Lactylate, Sorbitan Monostearate, Polysorbate 60, Artificial Flavor, Gelatinized Wheat Starch, Natural Flavor, Dehydrated Butter, Modified Butter Oil, Propylene Glycol. silvertree173 Sep 24, 2004 9:21 AM Re: Just wanting to whine Oh, ick, don't put that thought in my head. I love my pumpkin muffins.~Chrissie~ , fraggle <EBbrewpunx@e...> wrote:> To send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2004 Report Share Posted September 25, 2004 Come on Catherine, live and let live? as long as it is all sealed, and you dont have to eat the stuff, or wear the stuff? ( sorry), what is your major boggle? You could take it as an opprtunity to show your friend the vegan alternatives. There is no need to alienate yourself just because you have a different lifestyle/beliefs to your friend. Remember........We`ll keep a welcome in the hillside............ Oh I need chocolate....... The Valley Vegan............Catherine Harris <cait2 wrote: i had a friend to stay this weekend, and i enjoyed her company.however she bought some dairy milk and yoghurts and brought them back to my house.i am not sure i like having it in my fridge, it makes me feel sick seeing it there....my brother stayed the week before, and he drank my soya milk. he seemed to get the point.where do we draw the line at being good host, respecting our own boundaries and those of the poor dairy cow etc?catherine>"silvertree173" > > > Re: Just wanting to whine>Thu, 23 Sep 2004 00:32:18 -0000>>PJ: She'll never get me being veggie. She's a Burger girl. But I>love and respect her no matter what she eats... I know she's working>on doing the same for me. And her boyfriend tells her to knock it off>when she gets to be too much.. She did buy me soy milk the last>couple of times I visited. Good soy milk too. It's a brand called>Sun Soy and if you haven't tried it I highly recommend. I just get>down sometimes because people are always telling me I'm starving>myself and blah blah blah... They can't say that today thought! I>stuffed my face all day... cereal, a foot long veggie sub (lettuce,>tomato, pickles, peppers, olives), oatmeal/chocolate chip cookies,>swedish fish... I'm so full!>~Chrissie~>> , PJ wrote:> > Chrissie,> > Don't feel bad, we have ALL gone through some sort of "lecture" from>someone we love. They think that just because main stream America>eats meat that it is the healthy thing to do, but it is not...and we>all know this, the meat eaters are just in denial. Maybe to her you>look pale, but maybe she's looking a little extra hard! Even meat>eaters look pale at times! geesh....as long as you are nutritioning>your body you're fine!> > She needs to respect your decision and if she's really a good friend>you need to tell her this!> > Maybe she's jealous at your will power.....> > Was that a horrible thing to say?? sorrwwwyyy> > PJ> >> > silvertree173 wrote:> > Hi all: I'm just whining because I went to visit a friend over the> > weekend and she made me feel really bad about my vegetarian eating> > habits. She is a really great friend and I love her dearly but she> > just doesn't understand this about me and always says I am "emaciated"> > and "deathly pale" and that I am going to make myself sick because I'm> > not eating the right things, etc. She thinks I am going to fall apart> > and I know she worries but I think I'm ok. I may not always get the> > right nutrients but I try to be as healthy as possible and not base my> > entire diet on crap. I dunno.> > ~Chrissie~> >> >> >> > To send an email to - > >> >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2004 Report Share Posted September 25, 2004 Hi Chrissie, Sounds like your friend either cares a lot for you and is worried about your health,........or your friend doesnt give a monkeys for your feelings. Either way keep on doin the things that you beleive in , and maybe query your friends motives for the grilling.......no pun intended. We cannot do great things. We can only do little things with great love. .................Mother Teresa. The Valley Vegan...... - Mother Teresa silvertree173 <stellarlunar77 wrote: Hi all: I'm just whining because I went to visit a friend over theweekend and she made me feel really bad about my vegetarian eatinghabits. She is a really great friend and I love her dearly but shejust doesn't understand this about me and always says I am "emaciated"and "deathly pale" and that I am going to make myself sick because I'mnot eating the right things, etc. She thinks I am going to fall apartand I know she worries but I think I'm ok. I may not always get theright nutrients but I try to be as healthy as possible and not base myentire diet on crap. I dunno.~Chrissie~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2004 Report Share Posted September 25, 2004 that was weird, peter, your message got pushed to the bottom and i couldn't read it at first when i clicked on it but now i can... i think my friend really does care- she is one of the best friends i have ever had. it's just hard when someone you're close with doesn't understand. i could never date anyone who doesn't respect or make accomodations for my vegetarian ways because i think it would be too hard and i'd get pissed if someone was constantly eating steak around me. --- In , peter hurd <swpgh01@t...> wrote: > Hi Chrissie, > Sounds like your friend either cares a lot for you and is worried about your health,........or your friend doesnt give a monkeys for your feelings. Either way keep on doin the things that you beleive in , and maybe query your friends motives for the grilling.......no pun intended. > > > We cannot do great things. We can only do little things with great love. .................Mother Teresa. > > The Valley Vegan...... > > > - Mother Teresa > > silvertree173 <stellarlunar77> wrote: > Hi all: I'm just whining because I went to visit a friend over the > weekend and she made me feel really bad about my vegetarian eating > habits. She is a really great friend and I love her dearly but she > just doesn't understand this about me and always says I am " emaciated " > and " deathly pale " and that I am going to make myself sick because I'm > not eating the right things, etc. She thinks I am going to fall apart > and I know she worries but I think I'm ok. I may not always get the > right nutrients but I try to be as healthy as possible and not base my > entire diet on crap. I dunno. > ~Chrissie~ > > > > > To send an email to - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2004 Report Share Posted September 25, 2004 ah..see..everyones different i'm her boat... i don't want the stuff in my haus i know thats the way the world works but it doesn't make it ok ok..how would ya feel if yer friend came fer a visit...and he/she brought a load of 9 yr old slaves over...well, she was on her way to a slave market in the ivory coast..so, she needed to schlep them along for now... you'd be ok with it, right? she could just leave them in a shed out back not like she's making you sell em off to pick cacoa in some plantation? right?...soo..wots the big deal... its all perspective.... cheers fraggle peter hurd Sep 25, 2004 5:34 AM RE: Re: Just wanting to whine Come on Catherine, live and let live? as long as it is all sealed, and you dont have to eat the stuff, or wear the stuff? ( sorry), what is your major boggle? You could take it as an opprtunity to show your friend the vegan alternatives. There is no need to alienate yourself just because you have a different lifestyle/beliefs to your friend. Remember........We`ll keep a welcome in the hillside............ Oh I need chocolate....... The Valley Vegan............Catherine Harris <cait2 wrote: i had a friend to stay this weekend, and i enjoyed her company.however she bought some dairy milk and yoghurts and brought them back to my house.i am not sure i like having it in my fridge, it makes me feel sick seeing it there....my brother stayed the week before, and he drank my soya milk. he seemed to get the point.where do we draw the line at being good host, respecting our own boundaries and those of the poor dairy cow etc?catherine>"silvertree173" > > > Re: Just wanting to whine>Thu, 23 Sep 2004 00:32:18 -0000>>PJ: She'll never get me being veggie. She's a Burger girl. But I>love and respect her no matter what she eats... I know she's working>on doing the same for me. And her boyfriend tells her to knock it off>when she gets to be too much.. She did buy me soy milk the last>couple of times I visited. Good soy milk too. It's a brand called>Sun Soy and if you haven't tried it I highly recommend. I just get>down sometimes because people are always telling me I'm starving>myself and blah blah blah... They can't say that today thought! I>stuffed my face all day... cereal, a foot long veggie sub (lettuce,>tomato, pickles, peppers, olives), oatmeal/chocolate chip cookies,>swedish fish... I'm so full!>~Chrissie~>> , PJ wrote:> > Chrissie,> > Don't feel bad, we have ALL gone through some sort of "lecture" from>someone we love. They think that just because main stream America>eats meat that it is the healthy thing to do, but it is not...and we>all know this, the meat eaters are just in denial. Maybe to her you>look pale, but maybe she's looking a little extra hard! Even meat>eaters look pale at times! geesh....as long as you are nutritioning>your body you're fine!> > She needs to respect your decision and if she's really a good friend>you need to tell her this!> > Maybe she's jealous at your will power.....> > Was that a horrible thing to say?? sorrwwwyyy> > PJ> >> > silvertree173 wrote:> > Hi all: I'm just whining because I went to visit a friend over the> > weekend and she made me feel really bad about my vegetarian eating> > habits. She is a really great friend and I love her dearly but she> > just doesn't understand this about me and always says I am "emaciated"> > and "deathly pale" and that I am going to make myself sick because I'm> > not eating the right things, etc. She thinks I am going to fall apart> > and I know she worries but I think I'm ok. I may not always get the> > right nutrients but I try to be as healthy as possible and not base my> > entire diet on crap. I dunno.> > ~Chrissie~> >> >> >> > To send an email to - > >> >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2004 Report Share Posted September 25, 2004 Hi Catherine, Didn't you explain to your friend that you were vegan? .I can't believe how disrespectful of your views she was,- I wouldn't allow that stuff in my house. I think you should of politely pointed out that you don't eat animal products and don't want them in your house, - and then showed her the vegan alternatives, hey,- be more firm next time, Kim - peter hurd Saturday, September 25, 2004 1:34 PM RE: Re: Just wanting to whine Come on Catherine, live and let live? as long as it is all sealed, and you dont have to eat the stuff, or wear the stuff? ( sorry), what is your major boggle? You could take it as an opprtunity to show your friend the vegan alternatives. There is no need to alienate yourself just because you have a different lifestyle/beliefs to your friend. Remember........We`ll keep a welcome in the hillside............ Oh I need chocolate....... The Valley Vegan............Catherine Harris <cait2 wrote: i had a friend to stay this weekend, and i enjoyed her company.however she bought some dairy milk and yoghurts and brought them back to my house.i am not sure i like having it in my fridge, it makes me feel sick seeing it there....my brother stayed the week before, and he drank my soya milk. he seemed to get the point.where do we draw the line at being good host, respecting our own boundaries and those of the poor dairy cow etc?catherine>"silvertree173" > > > Re: Just wanting to whine>Thu, 23 Sep 2004 00:32:18 -0000>>PJ: She'll never get me being veggie. She's a Burger girl. But I>love and respect her no matter what she eats... I know she's working>on doing the same for me. And her boyfriend tells her to knock it off>when she gets to be too much.. She did buy me soy milk the last>couple of times I visited. Good soy milk too. It's a brand called>Sun Soy and if you haven't tried it I highly recommend. I just get>down sometimes because people are always telling me I'm starving>myself and blah blah blah... They can't say that today thought! I>stuffed my face all day... cereal, a foot long veggie sub (lettuce,>tomato, pickles, peppers, olives), oatmeal/chocolate chip cookies,>swedish fish... I'm so full!>~Chrissie~>> , PJ wrote:> > Chrissie,> > Don't feel bad, we have ALL gone through some sort of "lecture" from>someone we love. They think that just because main stream America>eats meat that it is the healthy thing to do, but it is not...and we>all know this, the meat eaters are just in denial. Maybe to her you>look pale, but maybe she's looking a little extra hard! Even meat>eaters look pale at times! geesh....as long as you are nutritioning>your body you're fine!> > She needs to respect your decision and if she's really a good friend>you need to tell her this!> > Maybe she's jealous at your will power.....> > Was that a horrible thing to say?? sorrwwwyyy> > PJ> >> > silvertree173 wrote:> > Hi all: I'm just whining because I went to visit a friend over the> > weekend and she made me feel really bad about my vegetarian eating> > habits. She is a really great friend and I love her dearly but she> > just doesn't understand this about me and always says I am "emaciated"> > and "deathly pale" and that I am going to make myself sick because I'm> > not eating the right things, etc. She thinks I am going to fall apart> > and I know she worries but I think I'm ok. I may not always get the> > right nutrients but I try to be as healthy as possible and not base my> > entire diet on crap. I dunno.> > ~Chrissie~> >> >> >> > To send an email to - > >> >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2004 Report Share Posted September 28, 2004 >I see your point of view, but we are not talking about slaves are we?!, So you don't consider dairy cows slaves?! > surely she must have known that her friend was an omnivore, and couldnt have expected her to starve shirley? Omnivores eat vegetables aswell, >could be thats why I`m borderline schitsophrenic. How do you cope?! I couldn't live with a meateater or animal abuser, >Havent eaten chocolate for three days now........ >Havent had a drink for 6 days now....... Good luck, Kim fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote: ah..see..everyones different i'm her boat... i don't want the stuff in my haus i know thats the way the world works but it doesn't make it ok ok..how would ya feel if yer friend came fer a visit...and he/she brought a load of 9 yr old slaves over...well, she was on her way to a slave market in the ivory coast..so, she needed to schlep them along for now... you'd be ok with it, right? she could just leave them in a shed out back not like she's making you sell em off to pick cacoa in some plantation? right?...soo..wots the big deal... its all perspective.... cheers fraggle peter hurd Sep 25, 2004 5:34 AM RE: Re: Just wanting to whine Come on Catherine, live and let live? as long as it is all sealed, and you dont have to eat the stuff, or wear the stuff? ( sorry), what is your major boggle? You could take it as an opprtunity to show your friend the vegan alternatives. There is no need to alienate yourself just because you have a different lifestyle/beliefs to your friend. Remember........We`ll keep a welcome in the hillside............ Oh I need chocolate....... The Valley Vegan............Catherine Harris <cait2 wrote: i had a friend to stay this weekend, and i enjoyed her company.however she bought some dairy milk and yoghurts and brought them back to my house.i am not sure i like having it in my fridge, it makes me feel sick seeing it there....my brother stayed the week before, and he drank my soya milk. he seemed to get the point.where do we draw the line at being good host, respecting our own boundaries and those of the poor dairy cow etc?catherine>"silvertree173" > > > Re: Just wanting to whine>Thu, 23 Sep 2004 00:32:18 -0000>>PJ: She'll never get me being veggie. She's a Burger girl. But I>love and respect her no matter what she eats... I know she's working>on doing the same for me. And her boyfriend tells her to knock it off>when she gets to be too much.. She did buy me soy milk the last>couple of times I visited. Good soy milk too. It's a brand called>Sun Soy and if you haven't tried it I highly recommend. I just get>down sometimes because people are always telling me I'm starving>myself and blah blah blah... They can't say that today thought! I>stuffed my face all day... cereal, a foot long veggie sub (lettuce,>tomato, pickles, peppers, olives), oatmeal/chocolate chip cookies,>swedish fish... I'm so full!>~Chrissie~>> , PJ wrote:> > Chrissie,> > Don't feel bad, we have ALL gone through some sort of "lecture" from>someone we love. They think that just because main stream America>eats meat that it is the healthy thing to do, but it is not...and we>all know this, the meat eaters are just in denial. Maybe to her you>look pale, but maybe she's looking a little extra hard! Even meat>eaters look pale at times! geesh....as long as you are nutritioning>your body you're fine!> > She needs to respect your decision and if she's really a good friend>you need to tell her this!> > Maybe she's jealous at your will power.....> > Was that a horrible thing to say?? sorrwwwyyy> > PJ> >> > silvertree173 wrote:> > Hi all: I'm just whining because I went to visit a friend over the> > weekend and she made me feel really bad about my vegetarian eating> > habits. She is a really great friend and I love her dearly but she> > just doesn't understand this about me and always says I am "emaciated"> > and "deathly pale" and that I am going to make myself sick because I'm> > not eating the right things, etc. She thinks I am going to fall apart> > and I know she worries but I think I'm ok. I may not always get the> > right nutrients but I try to be as healthy as possible and not base my> > entire diet on crap. I dunno.> > ~Chrissie~> >> >> >> > To send an email to - > >> >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2004 Report Share Posted September 28, 2004 Hiya Fraggle me boy, I see your point of view, but we are not talking about slaves are we?!, surely she must have known that her friend was an omnivore, and couldnt have expected her to starve shirley? It may have been unthoughtful, possibly unintentionally disrespectful, for her friend not to have asked first. May be they could have sorted it out before the visit, then we wouldnt be having this conversation/typing thingy......hindsight is a wonderful thing. Maybe I`m used to having the discusting tings in my fridge as my wife eats animals.......so my point of view is biased,,,,maybe,,,,,,could be thats why I`m borderline schitsophrenic. Havent eaten chocolate for three days now........ Havent had a drink for 6 days now........ D`oh, It just gets worse and worse. The Valley Vegan..... P.S. Feral cat has a kitten in my Garden, anybody near Wales want to offer it a home when it opens its eyes?......RSPCA dont want to know, ( Their excuse is that the mother may have feline AIDS, and have passed it on to the kitten! ) - Some charity they turned out to be. I`ve already got two unwanted rejects, dont particularly want another....but I may have to step in if things take turn for the worse. Yes I know , I should let nature take its course, but I cant see an animal suffer.fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote: ah..see..everyones different i'm her boat... i don't want the stuff in my haus i know thats the way the world works but it doesn't make it ok ok..how would ya feel if yer friend came fer a visit...and he/she brought a load of 9 yr old slaves over...well, she was on her way to a slave market in the ivory coast..so, she needed to schlep them along for now... you'd be ok with it, right? she could just leave them in a shed out back not like she's making you sell em off to pick cacoa in some plantation? right?...soo..wots the big deal... its all perspective.... cheers fraggle peter hurd Sep 25, 2004 5:34 AM RE: Re: Just wanting to whine Come on Catherine, live and let live? as long as it is all sealed, and you dont have to eat the stuff, or wear the stuff? ( sorry), what is your major boggle? You could take it as an opprtunity to show your friend the vegan alternatives. There is no need to alienate yourself just because you have a different lifestyle/beliefs to your friend. Remember........We`ll keep a welcome in the hillside............ Oh I need chocolate....... The Valley Vegan............Catherine Harris <cait2 wrote: i had a friend to stay this weekend, and i enjoyed her company.however she bought some dairy milk and yoghurts and brought them back to my house.i am not sure i like having it in my fridge, it makes me feel sick seeing it there....my brother stayed the week before, and he drank my soya milk. he seemed to get the point.where do we draw the line at being good host, respecting our own boundaries and those of the poor dairy cow etc?catherine>"silvertree173" > > > Re: Just wanting to whine>Thu, 23 Sep 2004 00:32:18 -0000>>PJ: She'll never get me being veggie. She's a Burger girl. But I>love and respect her no matter what she eats... I know she's working>on doing the same for me. And her boyfriend tells her to knock it off>when she gets to be too much.. She did buy me soy milk the last>couple of times I visited. Good soy milk too. It's a brand called>Sun Soy and if you haven't tried it I highly recommend. I just get>down sometimes because people are always telling me I'm starving>myself and blah blah blah... They can't say that today thought! I>stuffed my face all day... cereal, a foot long veggie sub (lettuce,>tomato, pickles, peppers, olives), oatmeal/chocolate chip cookies,>swedish fish... I'm so full!>~Chrissie~>> , PJ wrote:> > Chrissie,> > Don't feel bad, we have ALL gone through some sort of "lecture" from>someone we love. They think that just because main stream America>eats meat that it is the healthy thing to do, but it is not...and we>all know this, the meat eaters are just in denial. Maybe to her you>look pale, but maybe she's looking a little extra hard! Even meat>eaters look pale at times! geesh....as long as you are nutritioning>your body you're fine!> > She needs to respect your decision and if she's really a good friend>you need to tell her this!> > Maybe she's jealous at your will power.....> > Was that a horrible thing to say?? sorrwwwyyy> > PJ> >> > silvertree173 wrote:> > Hi all: I'm just whining because I went to visit a friend over the> > weekend and she made me feel really bad about my vegetarian eating> > habits. She is a really great friend and I love her dearly but she> > just doesn't understand this about me and always says I am "emaciated"> > and "deathly pale" and that I am going to make myself sick because I'm> > not eating the right things, etc. She thinks I am going to fall apart> > and I know she worries but I think I'm ok. I may not always get the> > right nutrients but I try to be as healthy as possible and not base my> > entire diet on crap. I dunno.> > ~Chrissie~> >> >> >> > To send an email to - > >> >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2004 Report Share Posted September 28, 2004 Hey I`m used to being pushed around, might as well as go cyber! Glad to hear your convictions are so strong. Me I married an omnivore, so I guess love means putting up with her beliefs and her putting up with mine, as long as we don`t force anything on each other or try to compromise each others lifestyle. I have managed to cut her consumption of animals, and my kids are vegetarian ( she lost that argument), and she often eats the same meals that I eat. And, I buy all the cleaning products, and have introduced her to cruelty free make up, ( which she likes) - so being subversive from within! Reducing the harm she could be doing...........God that sounds patronising doesnt it! Must go now chili and chips for dinner ( thats french fries to you across the pond) The Valley Vegan......silvertree173 <stellarlunar77 wrote: that was weird, peter, your message got pushed to the bottom and icouldn't read it at first when i clicked on it but now i can... ithink my friend really does care- she is one of the best friends ihave ever had. it's just hard when someone you're close with doesn'tunderstand. i could never date anyone who doesn't respect or makeaccomodations for my vegetarian ways because i think it would be toohard and i'd get pissed if someone was constantly eating steak around me.--- In , peter hurd wrote:> Hi Chrissie,> Sounds like your friend either cares a lot for you and is worriedabout your health,........or your friend doesnt give a monkeys foryour feelings. Either way keep on doin the things that you beleive in, and maybe query your friends motives for the grilling.......no punintended.> > > We cannot do great things. We can only do little things with greatlove. .................Mother Teresa.> > The Valley Vegan......> > > - Mother Teresa > > silvertree173 wrote:> Hi all: I'm just whining because I went to visit a friend over the> weekend and she made me feel really bad about my vegetarian eating> habits. She is a really great friend and I love her dearly but she> just doesn't understand this about me and always says I am "emaciated"> and "deathly pale" and that I am going to make myself sick because I'm> not eating the right things, etc. She thinks I am going to fall apart> and I know she worries but I think I'm ok. I may not always get the> right nutrients but I try to be as healthy as possible and not base my> entire diet on crap. I dunno.> ~Chrissie~> > > > > To send an email to - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2004 Report Share Posted September 28, 2004 Hi Peter I'm not a fan of the RSPCA. Jo P.S. Feral cat has a kitten in my Garden, anybody near Wales want to offer it a home when it opens its eyes?......RSPCA dont want to know, ( Their excuse is that the mother may have feline AIDS, and have passed it on to the kitten! ) - Some charity they turned out to be. I`ve already got two unwanted rejects, dont particularly want another....but I may have to step in if things take turn for the worse. Yes I know , I should let nature take its course, but I cant see an animal suffer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2004 Report Share Posted October 2, 2004 Hello Joanne, How the devil are you? Whether I consider cows slaves or not doesnt come into it ( by the way I do consider any animal used and abused as a slave/victim ), the high priest Fraggle was using human Slavery as a point of topic - albeit a rather extreme one, when in actual fact we were talking about a friends dietry habits. Omnivores do eat vegetables as well? - Yep well spotted, they do form part of their diet, but not the part that we were discussing? You couldn`t live with a meat eater - how do I cope? It sure as hell ain`t easy, thats for sure, but then me and my two veggie daughters do give her a hard time ( not fair I know, but well she chooses to eat the body parts, she has to face up to it ). At the end of the day its her concience, mine is as clear as I can get it. She does eat some of the food I cook , so thats a little step I suppose. It isn`t ideal, but its the best I can do. Tolerance is an art form, forgiveness another. Love conquers all? bullshit! I ain`t getting all soppy on you! Peace , Love and fury kittens to you all.... Had chocolate last night, feeling calm again.... The Valley Vegan....Joanne <Kimberley1 wrote: >I see your point of view, but we are not talking about slaves are we?!, So you don't consider dairy cows slaves?! > surely she must have known that her friend was an omnivore, and couldnt have expected her to starve shirley? Omnivores eat vegetables aswell, >could be thats why I`m borderline schitsophrenic. How do you cope?! I couldn't live with a meateater or animal abuser, >Havent eaten chocolate for three days now........ >Havent had a drink for 6 days now....... Good luck, Kim fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote: ah..see..everyones different i'm her boat... i don't want the stuff in my haus i know thats the way the world works but it doesn't make it ok ok..how would ya feel if yer friend came fer a visit...and he/she brought a load of 9 yr old slaves over...well, she was on her way to a slave market in the ivory coast..so, she needed to schlep them along for now... you'd be ok with it, right? she could just leave them in a shed out back not like she's making you sell em off to pick cacoa in some plantation? right?...soo..wots the big deal... its all perspective.... cheers fraggle peter hurd Sep 25, 2004 5:34 AM RE: Re: Just wanting to whine Come on Catherine, live and let live? as long as it is all sealed, and you dont have to eat the stuff, or wear the stuff? ( sorry), what is your major boggle? You could take it as an opprtunity to show your friend the vegan alternatives. There is no need to alienate yourself just because you have a different lifestyle/beliefs to your friend. Remember........We`ll keep a welcome in the hillside............ Oh I need chocolate....... The Valley Vegan............Catherine Harris <cait2 wrote: i had a friend to stay this weekend, and i enjoyed her company.however she bought some dairy milk and yoghurts and brought them back to my house.i am not sure i like having it in my fridge, it makes me feel sick seeing it there....my brother stayed the week before, and he drank my soya milk. he seemed to get the point.where do we draw the line at being good host, respecting our own boundaries and those of the poor dairy cow etc?catherine>"silvertree173" > > > Re: Just wanting to whine>Thu, 23 Sep 2004 00:32:18 -0000>>PJ: She'll never get me being veggie. She's a Burger girl. But I>love and respect her no matter what she eats... I know she's working>on doing the same for me. And her boyfriend tells her to knock it off>when she gets to be too much.. She did buy me soy milk the last>couple of times I visited. Good soy milk too. It's a brand called>Sun Soy and if you haven't tried it I highly recommend. I just get>down sometimes because people are always telling me I'm starving>myself and blah blah blah... They can't say that today thought! I>stuffed my face all day... cereal, a foot long veggie sub (lettuce,>tomato, pickles, peppers, olives), oatmeal/chocolate chip cookies,>swedish fish... I'm so full!>~Chrissie~>> , PJ wrote:> > Chrissie,> > Don't feel bad, we have ALL gone through some sort of "lecture" from>someone we love. They think that just because main stream America>eats meat that it is the healthy thing to do, but it is not...and we>all know this, the meat eaters are just in denial. Maybe to her you>look pale, but maybe she's looking a little extra hard! Even meat>eaters look pale at times! geesh....as long as you are nutritioning>your body you're fine!> > She needs to respect your decision and if she's really a good friend>you need to tell her this!> > Maybe she's jealous at your will power.....> > Was that a horrible thing to say?? sorrwwwyyy> > PJ> >> > silvertree173 wrote:> > Hi all: I'm just whining because I went to visit a friend over the> > weekend and she made me feel really bad about my vegetarian eating> > habits. She is a really great friend and I love her dearly but she> > just doesn't understand this about me and always says I am "emaciated"> > and "deathly pale" and that I am going to make myself sick because I'm> > not eating the right things, etc. She thinks I am going to fall apart> > and I know she worries but I think I'm ok. I may not always get the> > right nutrients but I try to be as healthy as possible and not base my> > entire diet on crap. I dunno.> > ~Chrissie~> >> >> >> > To send an email to - > >> >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2004 Report Share Posted October 2, 2004 Hi Peter - please don't wish me furry kittens - I'm not a cat person! :-) While Fraggles use of human slavery in the discussion may be extreme it is always worth considering extremes when trying to gain enlightenment on a subject - extremes very often hold the truth of the matter. Jo - peter hurd Saturday, October 02, 2004 2:44 PM Re: Re: Just wanting to whine Hello Joanne, How the devil are you? Whether I consider cows slaves or not doesnt come into it ( by the way I do consider any animal used and abused as a slave/victim ), the high priest Fraggle was using human Slavery as a point of topic - albeit a rather extreme one, when in actual fact we were talking about a friends dietry habits. Omnivores do eat vegetables as well? - Yep well spotted, they do form part of their diet, but not the part that we were discussing? You couldn`t live with a meat eater - how do I cope? It sure as hell ain`t easy, thats for sure, but then me and my two veggie daughters do give her a hard time ( not fair I know, but well she chooses to eat the body parts, she has to face up to it ). At the end of the day its her concience, mine is as clear as I can get it. She does eat some of the food I cook , so thats a little step I suppose. It isn`t ideal, but its the best I can do. Tolerance is an art form, forgiveness another. Love conquers all? bullshit! I ain`t getting all soppy on you! Peace , Love and fury kittens to you all.... Had chocolate last night, feeling calm again.... The Valley Vegan....Joanne <Kimberley1 wrote: >I see your point of view, but we are not talking about slaves are we?!, So you don't consider dairy cows slaves?! > surely she must have known that her friend was an omnivore, and couldnt have expected her to starve shirley? Omnivores eat vegetables aswell, >could be thats why I`m borderline schitsophrenic. How do you cope?! I couldn't live with a meateater or animal abuser, >Havent eaten chocolate for three days now........ >Havent had a drink for 6 days now....... Good luck, Kim fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote: ah..see..everyones different i'm her boat... i don't want the stuff in my haus i know thats the way the world works but it doesn't make it ok ok..how would ya feel if yer friend came fer a visit...and he/she brought a load of 9 yr old slaves over...well, she was on her way to a slave market in the ivory coast..so, she needed to schlep them along for now... you'd be ok with it, right? she could just leave them in a shed out back not like she's making you sell em off to pick cacoa in some plantation? right?...soo..wots the big deal... its all perspective.... cheers fraggle peter hurd Sep 25, 2004 5:34 AM RE: Re: Just wanting to whine Come on Catherine, live and let live? as long as it is all sealed, and you dont have to eat the stuff, or wear the stuff? ( sorry), what is your major boggle? You could take it as an opprtunity to show your friend the vegan alternatives. There is no need to alienate yourself just because you have a different lifestyle/beliefs to your friend. Remember........We`ll keep a welcome in the hillside............ Oh I need chocolate....... The Valley Vegan............Catherine Harris <cait2 wrote: i had a friend to stay this weekend, and i enjoyed her company.however she bought some dairy milk and yoghurts and brought them back to my house.i am not sure i like having it in my fridge, it makes me feel sick seeing it there....my brother stayed the week before, and he drank my soya milk. he seemed to get the point.where do we draw the line at being good host, respecting our own boundaries and those of the poor dairy cow etc?catherine>"silvertree173" > > > Re: Just wanting to whine>Thu, 23 Sep 2004 00:32:18 -0000>>PJ: She'll never get me being veggie. She's a Burger girl. But I>love and respect her no matter what she eats... I know she's working>on doing the same for me. And her boyfriend tells her to knock it off>when she gets to be too much.. She did buy me soy milk the last>couple of times I visited. Good soy milk too. It's a brand called>Sun Soy and if you haven't tried it I highly recommend. I just get>down sometimes because people are always telling me I'm starving>myself and blah blah blah... They can't say that today thought! I>stuffed my face all day... cereal, a foot long veggie sub (lettuce,>tomato, pickles, peppers, olives), oatmeal/chocolate chip cookies,>swedish fish... I'm so full!>~Chrissie~>> , PJ wrote:> > Chrissie,> > Don't feel bad, we have ALL gone through some sort of "lecture" from>someone we love. They think that just because main stream America>eats meat that it is the healthy thing to do, but it is not...and we>all know this, the meat eaters are just in denial. Maybe to her you>look pale, but maybe she's looking a little extra hard! Even meat>eaters look pale at times! geesh....as long as you are nutritioning>your body you're fine!> > She needs to respect your decision and if she's really a good friend>you need to tell her this!> > Maybe she's jealous at your will power.....> > Was that a horrible thing to say?? sorrwwwyyy> > PJ> >> > silvertree173 wrote:> > Hi all: I'm just whining because I went to visit a friend over the> > weekend and she made me feel really bad about my vegetarian eating> > habits. She is a really great friend and I love her dearly but she> > just doesn't understand this about me and always says I am "emaciated"> > and "deathly pale" and that I am going to make myself sick because I'm> > not eating the right things, etc. She thinks I am going to fall apart> > and I know she worries but I think I'm ok. I may not always get the> > right nutrients but I try to be as healthy as possible and not base my> > entire diet on crap. I dunno.> > ~Chrissie~> >> >> >> > To send an email to - > >> >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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