Guest guest Posted November 7, 2004 Report Share Posted November 7, 2004 Hello Everyone, I am a Vegan, a pretty strict one too. I recently became,well, broke and now it is very difficult to be as strict as I was before. I cannot afford to eat freah and make my own food at home or even buy it already made all that much. So what I do eat is WOW chips and salsa ALOT! Ramen noodles without the spices(bc they're 12cents)once in a blue moon cup a noodles and when I can afford it a few Amy products. Veggie burgers, soy cheese with wrap. I am starting to feel really sick. I know why, this is not a healthy diet. The vegan diet a had before was great but I can't afford to do it properly. I don't know what I should do. I really don't feel well. For sure no more of those wow chips(UGHHHHHHHH)Does anyone have any advice. I would greatly appreciate it. Oh I eat a lot of egg free pasta to but I don't want to get fat either. I know which one is more important, fat or your morals. I also had another question. I hear that eggs are not baby chicks unless it's fertilized by the male. If this is true and the chicken's eggs are coming from a free range farm that you know for sure it's as humane as could possibly be for eating an animale, how would you know if the egg was a baby chick or an unfertilized egg. I have now been a vegan 9 months. And when you have money it's not that hard. I really don't crave meat and barely crave dairy. Although I have not eaten any dairy or meat in these 9 months I occasionally eat something that contains milk or egg product like pasta at a restaurant. I do this when I don't have a choice. How does everyone feel about that. Eating food that contains milk or egg product once in a while when your chioces are slim to none? Thanks Everyone, Patty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2004 Report Share Posted November 7, 2004 chikalunatic wrote: > > Hello Everyone, > I am a Vegan, a pretty strict one too. I recently became,well, > broke and now it is very difficult to be as strict as I was before. > I cannot afford to eat freah and make my own food at home or even > buy it already made all that much. So what I do eat is WOW chips and > salsa ALOT! What about rice? That's really cheap. Or beans; back in my student days, I would buy dry beans, soak them, and cook them with vegetables. How much is fresh veg where you are? > Ramen noodles without the spices(bc they're 12cents)once > in a blue moon cup a noodles and when I can afford it a few Amy > products. Veggie burgers, soy cheese with wrap. I am starting to > feel really sick. Well, veggie burgers are generally more expensive than cooking something yourself. Where I live, soy cheese is very expensive - 2 UKP for a few slices. > I know why, this is not a healthy diet. The vegan > diet a had before was great but I can't afford to do it properly. I > don't know what I should do. I really don't feel well. For sure no > more of those wow chips(UGHHHHHHHH)Does anyone have any advice. I > would greatly appreciate it. Oh I eat a lot of egg free pasta to but > I don't want to get fat either. I know which one is more important, > fat or your morals. You need wholefood carbs to fill you up, protein, and vegetables. I don't think you can escape the fresh veg; and I've no idea where the cheaper fresh veg is where you live. > I also had another question. I hear that eggs > are not baby chicks unless it's fertilized by the male. If this is > true and the chicken's eggs are coming from a free range farm that > you know for sure it's as humane as could possibly be for eating an > animale, how would you know if the egg was a baby chick or an > unfertilized egg. Well, that gets back to a discussion about veganism. To me, the ethical concern is about the lives the chickens live. As well as the lives the male chicks don't live (they're killed really casually just after hatching, because they're not needed). If you really believe they live lives 'as humane as could possibly be', then you'd be okay with eating them; but being 'free range' only means they have access of some kind to some space outside, not that they have easy access to it, and not that the birds are not killed as soon as they're not economically efficient, nor subject to other horrors such as de-beaking. Besides, I don't think that eggs are a particularly cheap form of protein and fat. > I do this when I don't have a > choice. Canned saying: There's always a choice. Just not always an easy choice. > How does everyone feel about that. Eating food that contains > milk or egg product once in a while when your chioces are slim to > none? Thanks Everyone, Patty Being vegan isn't the beginning and end of morality, and it would be silly to get annoyed about it. So I'm not. I've dated a couple of self-identified vegans who've eaten the occasional animal product as a special treat, arguing that the impact of animal welfare of their occasional lapse was infinitesimal. But I would choose to eat elsewhere, or just drink while my friends ate. Nowadays, my friends generally meet me in a veggie restaurant anyway, because I know the decent veggie places. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2004 Report Share Posted November 7, 2004 Hi Patty > The vegan > diet a had before was great but I can't afford to do it properly. I'm a little confused by your problem... a vegan diet is considerably cheaper than a meat-eating diet, and at least in my area, soy alternatives are no more expensive than their dairy equivalents... a vegan diet is really not very expensive. OK, from a personal point of view, I'd like to be able to afford more organic veg for health & environmental reasons, but it's still all veg! > Although I have not eaten any dairy or meat in these 9 > months I occasionally eat something that contains milk or egg > product like pasta at a restaurant. I do this when I don't have a > choice. Again, I'm a little confused... there's always a choice! I'm not criticising you for choosing to eat what you choose to eat, but ultimately it is your choice... it's not like you're being kept in a cage and force-fed! (I hope!) > How does everyone feel about that. Eating food that contains > milk or egg product once in a while when your chioces are slim to > none? I can only think of a very few situations where the choice is slim to none, and most of those involve being shipwrecked on a desert island with no form of communication, no natural fruit or vegetable growing, a shipment of dairy products having been washed up on the beach, and a reasonable sized fridge to keep them fresh.... under those (somewhat unlikely) circumstances, where it would be a matter of life or death, then I'd quite happily tuck into the cheese or eggs on the basis that I'd rather live than die. However, under the usual conditions of everyday life, I have considerably more choice than the animals who have been farmed to provide the dairy or eggs, so would not eat anything that comes from an animal source. BB Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2004 Report Share Posted November 8, 2004 guess it would all depend on where you lived during winter, and wot yer culture was like..in these pre industrial society times... Timothy Brock <timtronics Nov 7, 2004 2:29 PM Re: A broke vegan. <html><body> <tt> <BR> Hi there!<BR> <BR> My take on this would be that your survival is your<BR> first priority. Being vegan during pre-industrial ages<BR> would have been quite hard because of winter. It would<BR> be a race against time and when winter came if it was<BR> long and harsh, I imagine it would come down to kill<BR> or die. In our modern age there is no good reason for<BR> not eating vegan (except perhaps no money) I think it<BR> is imperative that we avoid fanaticism. Eating vegan<BR> is one of the best things we can do for our planet. It<BR> promotes a community spirit and when the movement<BR> reaches sufficient proportions, no person should ever<BR> be hungry nor require death for sustenance. <BR> <BR> Respectfully,<BR> Timothy A. Brock<BR> --- chikalunatic <chikalunatic wrote:<BR> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2004 Report Share Posted November 8, 2004 Hi Patty, It seems to me that you are limiting yourself by trying to eat the same way you did before by substituting with alternative products, and no doubt alternative burgers and cheese can be expensive. Open your mind to try some foods you may not have considered before; many ethnic foods are vegan and require little or no effort. Here is a sampling of many easy dishes I make for my family: Hummus, (homemade is best - from canned or dry chickpeas) with wholewheat pita and/or vegetables to dip Fouel (fava beans) Fry onion in a little olive oil, add garlic briefly, add cumin, salt, tomatos (or a spoon of tomato paste), lemon juice and eat with pita like a dip Stuffed grape leaves with rice (a pain to make but worth it) Lentil soup (very easy!) Sambosas (vegetable stuffed appetizers, but can be a meal themselves!) Rice dishes (get creative, try with different vegetables, spices, nuts, raisins) Pastas (here I add a ton of fresh vegetables to a jar of sauce; carrots, onions, green pepper, garlic, etc) So you fill up more on the veggies than the pasta. Zatar Pizza (an oregano-like based spice, with sesame seeds and lemon juice, sprinkle over a piece of pita brushed with olive oil and bake) Vegetable curries Baked potatos and salads Minestroni soup Veg chili (add veggies here for variety; corn, green beans, onions, garlic, etc) If you want more easy ideas, I have plenty. I have six picky kids to feed, from 14 years to 2 years, and a meatie husband who loves my creative cooking (proud to say he is about 90% veg now, still working on him;o) Also, I know what you are saying about having a table or fully stocked kitchen, but this is really not a good excuse to slack off on your health. I moved overseas two months ago, am still waiting for the shipping container with all of my kitchen cookware, and even the table! Since late August I have been feeding a family of eight very good food from one cheap pot with a lid, one sauce pan, and one baking dish. Oh, one spatula, one cooking spoon, and one rice spoon. We eat sitting in a circle on the floor (no, not even a couch or chair, LOL, I can't wait for my container!!!) But we eat well, and that's really what is important! I think you can too! Good luck to you, Lisa - "chikalunatic" <chikalunatic Sunday, November 07, 2004 4:49 PM A broke vegan. > > > Hello Everyone,> I am a Vegan, a pretty strict one too. I recently became,well, > broke and now it is very difficult to be as strict as I was before. > I cannot afford to eat freah and make my own food at home or even > buy it already made all that much. So what I do eat is WOW chips and > salsa ALOT! Ramen noodles without the spices(bc they're 12cents)once > in a blue moon cup a noodles and when I can afford it a few Amy > products. Veggie burgers, soy cheese with wrap. I am starting to > feel really sick. I know why, this is not a healthy diet. The vegan > diet a had before was great but I can't afford to do it properly. I > don't know what I should do. I really don't feel well. For sure no > more of those wow chips(UGHHHHHHHH)Does anyone have any advice. I > would greatly appreciate it. Oh I eat a lot of egg free pasta to but > I don't want to get fat either. I know which one is more important, > fat or your morals. I also had another question. I hear that eggs > are not baby chicks unless it's fertilized by the male. If this is > true and the chicken's eggs are coming from a free range farm that > you know for sure it's as humane as could possibly be for eating an > animale, how would you know if the egg was a baby chick or an > unfertilized egg. I have now been a vegan 9 months. And when you > have money it's not that hard. I really don't crave meat and barely > crave dairy. Although I have not eaten any dairy or meat in these 9 > months I occasionally eat something that contains milk or egg > product like pasta at a restaurant. I do this when I don't have a > choice. How does everyone feel about that. Eating food that contains > milk or egg product once in a while when your chioces are slim to > none? Thanks Everyone, Patty> > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2004 Report Share Posted November 8, 2004 Hi Lisa I bet you will be pleased when your container comes. It must be hard work managing -you are doing a great job. Jo If you want more easy ideas, I have plenty. I have six picky kids to feed, from 14 years to 2 years, and a meatie husband who loves my creative cooking (proud to say he is about 90% veg now, still working on him;o) Also, I know what you are saying about having a table or fully stocked kitchen, but this is really not a good excuse to slack off on your health. I moved overseas two months ago, am still waiting for the shipping container with all of my kitchen cookware, and even the table! Since late August I have been feeding a family of eight very good food from one cheap pot with a lid, one sauce pan, and one baking dish. Oh, one spatula, one cooking spoon, and one rice spoon. We eat sitting in a circle on the floor (no, not even a couch or chair, LOL, I can't wait for my container!!!) But we eat well, and that's really what is important! I think you can too! Good luck to you, Lisa - "chikalunatic" <chikalunatic Sunday, November 07, 2004 4:49 PM A broke vegan. > > > Hello Everyone,> I am a Vegan, a pretty strict one too. I recently became,well, > broke and now it is very difficult to be as strict as I was before. > I cannot afford to eat freah and make my own food at home or even > buy it already made all that much. So what I do eat is WOW chips and > salsa ALOT! Ramen noodles without the spices(bc they're 12cents)once > in a blue moon cup a noodles and when I can afford it a few Amy > products. Veggie burgers, soy cheese with wrap. I am starting to > feel really sick. I know why, this is not a healthy diet. The vegan > diet a had before was great but I can't afford to do it properly. I > don't know what I should do. I really don't feel well. For sure no > more of those wow chips(UGHHHHHHHH)Does anyone have any advice. I > would greatly appreciate it. Oh I eat a lot of egg free pasta to but > I don't want to get fat either. I know which one is more important, > fat or your morals. I also had another question. I hear that eggs > are not baby chicks unless it's fertilized by the male. If this is > true and the chicken's eggs are coming from a free range farm that > you know for sure it's as humane as could possibly be for eating an > animale, how would you know if the egg was a baby chick or an > unfertilized egg. I have now been a vegan 9 months. And when you > have money it's not that hard. I really don't crave meat and barely > crave dairy. Although I have not eaten any dairy or meat in these 9 > months I occasionally eat something that contains milk or egg > product like pasta at a restaurant. I do this when I don't have a > choice. How does everyone feel about that. Eating food that contains > milk or egg product once in a while when your chioces are slim to > none? Thanks Everyone, Patty> > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2004 Report Share Posted December 3, 2004 Peter <metalscarab wrote: > Hi Patty > > > The vegan > > diet a had before was great but I can't afford to do it properly. > > I'm a little confused by your problem... a vegan diet is considerably > cheaper than a meat-eating diet, and at least in my area, soy alternatives > are no more expensive than their dairy equivalents... a vegan diet is really Wow, lucky you! The soy alternatives are so much more expensive here (Germany), e. g. soy milk is 1,79 Euro (even when buying at the supermarket and not at the health food store) and the dairy milk is 0,69 Euro or sometimes even cheaper for 1 liter. There are equal relations for other soy products, be it sour cream or yoghurt or soy cheese. Tofu is about the same price as meat though when buying it at asian stores. Luckily at least the eggless pasta is cheaper than the pasta with eggs. Mito Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2004 Report Share Posted December 3, 2004 hallo und Willkommen mito.... well..you can always stay away from the soy veggies!! where you reside in Deutchland? mitochondrion Dec 3, 2004 12:55 PM Re: A broke vegan. Peter <metalscarab wrote:> Hi Patty> > > The vegan> > diet a had before was great but I can't afford to do it properly.> > I'm a little confused by your problem... a vegan diet is considerably> cheaper than a meat-eating diet, and at least in my area, soy alternatives> are no more expensive than their dairy equivalents... a vegan diet is reallyWow, lucky you! The soy alternatives are so much more expensive here(Germany), e. g. soy milk is 1,79 Euro (even when buying at thesupermarket and not at the health food store) and the dairy milk is 0,69Euro or sometimes even cheaper for 1 liter. There are equal relationsfor other soy products, be it sour cream or yoghurt or soy cheese.Tofu is about the same price as meat though when buying it at asianstores.Luckily at least the eggless pasta is cheaper than the pasta with eggs.MitoTo send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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