Guest guest Posted January 8, 2005 Report Share Posted January 8, 2005 DON'T BE A DUMB VEGAN!!! BE A SMART ONE! Surprisingly, many of you are still not catching on to this B-12 issue. Click on the link below and educate yourself on this topic. This is no joke. It's nothing to take lightly. When something can help ward off heart disease, brain damage, & eye disorders, you want to make darn sure you're getting the stuff. Remember, there is no B-12 in a vegan diet! I repeat, there is ZERO B-12 in a vegan diet, so you need to supplement it regularly. Once again, click the link below and educate yourself on this subject. Remember to tell all your vegan friends to be aware of this. By the way, I myself have been a vegan since 1996, so I'm not preaching from the animal killing side. http://www.veganhealth.org/b12/hcy Rick Read only the mail you want - Mail SpamGuard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2005 Report Share Posted January 8, 2005 Hi Rick Welcome to the group. I hope you enjoy the discussions. I just wanted to ask... > DON'T BE A DUMB VEGAN!!! BE A SMART ONE! > Surprisingly, many of you are still not catching on to this B-12 issue. What gave you this impression? As far as I recall, there was only one comment to your original post on the issue, and that agreed that B12 was hard to find in a vegan diet. I would also like to point out that, although there have been a number of discussions going on over the past few days, you appear to be rather single minded with regard to the issue of supplements, and your two posts have been "close-calls" as to whether they could be considered advertisements or points of discussion (particularly as you haven't engaged the response that was posted, but posted another "blanket" press-release style statement). I also notice that the website that you sent a link for starts out with a "click to join", which would seem to suggest that you may be more of a marketing robot that a person interested in discussion. I sincerely hope that I am wrong and have misinterpreted your intentions with regard to the list. However, I would encourage you to prove this to be the case by joining in with conversations, as I will not be letting through any further posts from you that appear to be advertisements. BB Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2005 Report Share Posted January 9, 2005 Hi Peter, I've been vegan since 1996. I've listened to hundreds and hundreds of hours of Gary Null on the radio, and I assure you that I'm not just advertising when I warn people that they should be taking vitamin B-12. Low B-12 levels can lead to very serious problems in some people. This is something all vegans like myself should all be aware of. This is not something to restrict from the list. This is a vital subject. Vegan outreach by the way is a good group. You don't need to 'join them' to be able to look at the info on their site. Gary Null by the way is one of the main reasons why alternative health is still legal in this country. You're not aware of that, but you should be. Trust me, I know my stuff. One more thing to remember, B-12 tablets are not from animal sources. So, no worries there. That's even more good news. Peace, Rick , " Peter " <metalscarab@b...> wrote: > Hi Rick > > Welcome to the group. I hope you enjoy the discussions. > > I just wanted to ask... > > > DON'T BE A DUMB VEGAN!!! BE A SMART ONE! > > Surprisingly, many of you are still not catching on to this B-12 issue. > > What gave you this impression? As far as I recall, there was only one comment to your original post on the issue, and that agreed that B12 was hard to find in a vegan diet. > > I would also like to point out that, although there have been a number of discussions going on over the past few days, you appear to be rather single minded with regard to the issue of supplements, and your two posts have been " close-calls " as to whether they could be considered advertisements or points of discussion (particularly as you haven't engaged the response that was posted, but posted another " blanket " press-release style statement). I also notice that the website that you sent a link for starts out with a " click to join " , which would seem to suggest that you may be more of a marketing robot that a person interested in discussion. > > I sincerely hope that I am wrong and have misinterpreted your intentions with regard to the list. However, I would encourage you to prove this to be the case by joining in with conversations, as I will not be letting through any further posts from you that appear to be advertisements. > > BB > Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2005 Report Share Posted January 9, 2005 Thanks Rick. I have heard this and ignored it – I’ve never intentionally/knowingly taken additional vitamins. Been vegan 16 years longer than you too and never been ‘undernourished’. So if I can make it through the vital youth years, puberty etc when will this lack of attention to B12 materialise??? BTW your DON'T BE A DUMB VEGAN!!! BE A SMART ONE! Catchphrase makes you sound like a salesman, ARE you? Andrew Barnes Rick Stevens [ecology1st2004] 08 January 2005 23:11 DON'T BE A DUMB VEGAN!!! BE A SMART ONE!!! DON'T BE A DUMB VEGAN!!! BE A SMART ONE! Surprisingly, many of you are still not catching on to this B-12 issue. Click on the link below and educate yourself on this topic. This is no joke. It's nothing to take lightly. When something can help ward off heart disease, brain damage, & eye disorders, you want to make darn sure you're getting the stuff. Remember, there is no B-12 in a vegan diet! I repeat, there is ZERO B-12 in a vegan diet, so you need to supplement it regularly. Once again, click the link below and educate yourself on this subject. Remember to tell all your vegan friends to be aware of this. By the way, I myself have been a vegan since 1996, so I'm not preaching from the animal killing side. http://www.veganhealth.org/b12/hcy Rick Read only the mail you want - Mail SpamGuard. To send an email to - ______________________ This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Star. The service is powered by MessageLabs. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit: http://www.star.net.uk ______________________ This message is confidential and is intended for the addressee only; unless clearly stated that this disclaimer should not apply, this e-mail is not intended to create legally binding commitments on behalf of FDM Group Plc, nor do its contents reflect the corporate views or policies of FDM. Any unauthorised disclosure, use or dissemination, either whole or partial, is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient of the message, please notify the sender immediately. ______________________ This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Star Internet. The service is powered by MessageLabs. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit: http://www.star.net.uk ______________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2005 Report Share Posted January 9, 2005 Rick - thanks for posting this:) It reminded me that I should be taking my vitamins - something I am horrendous about remembering;) Debra , Rick Stevens <ecology1st2004> wrote: > > DON'T BE A DUMB VEGAN!!! BE A SMART ONE! > > Surprisingly, many of you are still not catching on to this B-12 issue. Click on the link below and educate yourself on this topic. This is no joke. It's nothing to take lightly. When something can help ward off heart disease, brain damage, & eye disorders, you want to make darn sure you're getting the stuff. Remember, there is no B- 12 in a vegan diet! I repeat, there is ZERO B-12 in a vegan diet, so you need to supplement it regularly. Once again, click the link below and educate yourself on this subject. Remember to tell all your vegan friends to be aware of this. By the way, I myself have been a vegan since 1996, so I'm not preaching from the animal killing side. > > http://www.veganhealth.org/b12/hcy > > Rick > > Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2005 Report Share Posted January 9, 2005 Hi Andrew > So if I can make it through the vital youth years, puberty etc when will this lack of attention to B12 materialise??? My (limited) understanding is that B-12 deficiency is something which tends to show up in later life - it tends to leave weaknesses in the body that cause problems later on, rather than immediate symptoms. However, you don't need vast amounts of B-12. I eat a bowl of cornflakes or rice crispies each day with soya milk - both are fortified with B-12, and I reckon that alone gives me about 6 times the necessary minimum. I also understand that the body will store B-12 for a considerable length of time, so if you go for a couple of weeks without any, it shouldn't lead to any problems. BB Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2005 Report Share Posted January 10, 2005 yer body will store all nutrients fer a time... we'd all have keeled over eons ago otherwise...could you imagine trying to eat enough of every nutrient every single day? ugh.. Peter Jan 9, 2005 5:39 AM Re: DON'T BE A DUMB VEGAN!!! BE A SMART ONE!!! Hi Andrew > So if I can make it through the vital youth years, puberty etc when will this lack of attention to B12 materialise??? My (limited) understanding is that B-12 deficiency is something which tends to show up in later life - it tends to leave weaknesses in the body that cause problems later on, rather than immediate symptoms. However, you don't need vast amounts of B-12. I eat a bowl of cornflakes or rice crispies each day with soya milk - both are fortified with B-12, and I reckon that alone gives me about 6 times the necessary minimum. I also understand that the body will store B-12 for a considerable length of time, so if you go for a couple of weeks without any, it shouldn't lead to any problems. BB Peter To send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2005 Report Share Posted January 10, 2005 Yes – re: last paragraph: I have been told 6 years B-12 can stay in system (and it is in Marmite) Andrew Barnes Peter [metalscarab] 09 January 2005 13:39 Re: DON'T BE A DUMB VEGAN!!! BE A SMART ONE!!! Hi Andrew > So if I can make it through the vital youth years, puberty etc when will this lack of attention to B12 materialise??? My (limited) understanding is that B-12 deficiency is something which tends to show up in later life - it tends to leave weaknesses in the body that cause problems later on, rather than immediate symptoms. However, you don't need vast amounts of B-12. I eat a bowl of cornflakes or rice crispies each day with soya milk - both are fortified with B-12, and I reckon that alone gives me about 6 times the necessary minimum. I also understand that the body will store B-12 for a considerable length of time, so if you go for a couple of weeks without any, it shouldn't lead to any problems. BB Peter To send an email to - ______________________ This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Star. The service is powered by MessageLabs. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit: http://www.star.net.uk ______________________ This message is confidential and is intended for the addressee only; unless clearly stated that this disclaimer should not apply, this e-mail is not intended to create legally binding commitments on behalf of FDM Group Plc, nor do its contents reflect the corporate views or policies of FDM. Any unauthorised disclosure, use or dissemination, either whole or partial, is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient of the message, please notify the sender immediately. ______________________ This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Star Internet. The service is powered by MessageLabs. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit: http://www.star.net.uk ______________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2005 Report Share Posted January 10, 2005 egads, not marmite again!! heh heh... Andrew Barnes Jan 10, 2005 12:41 AM RE: DON'T BE A DUMB VEGAN!!! BE A SMART ONE!!! Yes – re: last paragraph: I have been told 6 years B-12 can stay in system (and it is in Marmite) Andrew Barnes Peter [metalscarab] 09 January 2005 13:39 Subject: Re: DON'T BE A DUMB VEGAN!!! BE A SMART ONE!!! Hi Andrew > So if I can make it through the vital youth years, puberty etc when will this lack of attention to B12 materialise??? My (limited) understanding is that B-12 deficiency is something which tends to show up in later life - it tends to leave weaknesses in the body that cause problems later on, rather than immediate symptoms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2005 Report Share Posted January 10, 2005 I eat it with a spoon I’ve heard worse though some people in the US that have peanut butter and marmalade on their toast – together… Andrew Barnes fraggle [EBbrewpunx] 10 January 2005 14:33 RE: DON'T BE A DUMB VEGAN!!! BE A SMART ONE!!! egads, not marmite again!! heh heh... Andrew Barnes Jan 10, 2005 12:41 AM RE: DON'T BE A DUMB VEGAN!!! BE A SMART ONE!!! Yes – re: last paragraph: I have been told 6 years B-12 can stay in system (and it is in Marmite) Andrew Barnes Peter [metalscarab] 09 January 2005 13:39 Re: DON'T BE A DUMB VEGAN!!! BE A SMART ONE!!! Hi Andrew > So if I can make it through the vital youth years, puberty etc when will this lack of attention to B12 materialise??? My (limited) understanding is that B-12 deficiency is something which tends to show up in later life - it tends to leave weaknesses in the body that cause problems later on, rather than immediate symptoms. To send an email to - ______________________ This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Star. The service is powered by MessageLabs. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit: http://www.star.net.uk ______________________ This message is confidential and is intended for the addressee only; unless clearly stated that this disclaimer should not apply, this e-mail is not intended to create legally binding commitments on behalf of FDM Group Plc, nor do its contents reflect the corporate views or policies of FDM. Any unauthorised disclosure, use or dissemination, either whole or partial, is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient of the message, please notify the sender immediately. ______________________ This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Star Internet. The service is powered by MessageLabs. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit: http://www.star.net.uk ______________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2005 Report Share Posted January 10, 2005 *shudder* oh..and haven't heard the term marmalade since i was a wee fraggle.... Andrew Barnes Jan 10, 2005 6:34 AM RE: DON'T BE A DUMB VEGAN!!! BE A SMART ONE!!! I eat it with a spoon I’ve heard worse though some people in the US that have peanut butter and marmalade on their toast – together… Andrew Barnes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2005 Report Share Posted January 10, 2005 FYI - just my recent personal experience.... I was a dumb one, and have just returned to work after a month off during which time I got daily B-12 injections and got my life back together. I have only been eating a vegan diet since July 2003 and had taken the lazy approach to B-12 figuring that I didn't have to worry about it for a while and since I was overwhelmed by all the information, I did just that. That is until this past summer when my energy disappeared as did my motivation to do anything. When it started getting to be winter here, I worried about the lack of sun and sinking further in to my depression so I thought I should go see the doctor. While I was there I asked if she would test for B-12. She doubted that was the problem but did it anyway. When I went back to see another doctor for the results, I was indeed deficient in B-12 and was started on the injections for a boost and sent to a dietician to figure out how to get it in my diet with fortified foods. I asked the doctor about how that could happen to me so fast, as I also thought I had plenty to get by on for a while. She explained that some people will get low on it very fast and they have no known reason for it...So, I guess my body gets really poor B-12 mileage. The shots were amazing though. I could really tell a difference with them. I finally feel human again. jill , " Peter " <metalscarab@b...> wrote: > Hi Andrew > > > So if I can make it through the vital youth years, puberty etc when will this lack of attention to B12 materialise??? > > My (limited) understanding is that B-12 deficiency is something which tends to show up in later life - it tends to leave weaknesses in the body that cause problems later on, rather than immediate symptoms. > > However, you don't need vast amounts of B-12. I eat a bowl of cornflakes or rice crispies each day with soya milk - both are fortified with B-12, and I reckon that alone gives me about 6 times the necessary minimum. > > I also understand that the body will store B-12 for a considerable length of time, so if you go for a couple of weeks without any, it shouldn't lead to any problems. > > BB > Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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