Guest guest Posted January 12, 2005 Report Share Posted January 12, 2005 Krishna is associated with Milk/Butter in several pictures. However, in India the disease/death rate due to Butter and Butter products such as Ghee(trans fat) has been shown to be very high. (Saw a Professional publication in this regard almost a year or so ago.) Also, it is said that Rama's Father Dasharatha sacrificed 999 Elephants inorder to appease the Gods to have a son. Animal sacrifice was fairly common called Ashwamedha Yaga. Somehow, at a certain point everyone went Vegetarian it appears. Rama hunted and shot a deer for his wife Sita. I am from India originally. To best of my knowledge, based on word of mouth/family history for well over 600 years my Family has been Vegetarian. However, milk is consumed and some members also eat eggs. These days I undestand that a very few distant relatives on rare occassions eat fish and poultry. Vijay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2005 Report Share Posted January 12, 2005 wow..thats incredible....! India can trace mass vegetarianism back to like the 6th century BCE... with the introduction of Buddhism and Janism.. i think i posted on this quite awhile ago...no? Also, the early Indus River valley folks were probably pretty veg(tho not entirely)..the Aryans on the other paw, totally different story... rvijay07 Jan 12, 2005 8:03 AM Krishna/Milk. Krishna is associated with Milk/Butter in several pictures. However, in India the disease/death rate due to Butter and Butter products such as Ghee(trans fat) has been shown to be very high. (Saw a Professional publication in this regard almost a year or so ago.)Also, it is said that Rama's Father Dasharatha sacrificed 999 Elephants inorder to appease the Gods to have a son. Animal sacrifice was fairly common called Ashwamedha Yaga. Somehow, at a certain point everyone went Vegetarian it appears. Rama hunted and shot a deer for his wife Sita.I am from India originally. To best of my knowledge, based on word of mouth/family history for well over 600 years my Family has been Vegetarian. However, milk is consumed and some members also eat eggs.These days I undestand that a very few distant relatives on rare occassions eat fish and poultry.VijayTo send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2005 Report Share Posted January 12, 2005 , fraggle <EBbrewpunx@e...> wrote: > Yes, this is true. The Jains have a Vegetarian Tradition for the past 9000 years. When it comes to loving/serving animals and Vegetarianism they are leaders I feel. Vijay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2005 Report Share Posted January 13, 2005 > Also, it is said that Rama's Father Dasharatha sacrificed 999 Elephants inorder to appease the Gods to have a son. Animal sacrifice was fairly common called Ashwamedha Yaga. Somehow, at a certain point everyone went Vegetarian it appears. Rama hunted and shot a deer for his wife Sita. > Vijay, I have been interested in Asian religion since college, I read articles, and books on hindusim and budhism, I atracted to these religions despite the fact being raised cristian. because these asian religions, promote peace, do not promote materialism and have a healthier view of sex. (I don't mean to put christians down eaither.) It's just that they are more in line with my way of thinking. but like jo, I was under the impression that these stories in hinduism of killing 999 elephants, sons turning into snakes and such are really more like representations or moral fables. > I am from India originally. To best of my knowledge, based on word of mouth/family history for well over 600 years my Family has been Vegetarian. However, milk is consumed and some members also eat eggs. > These days I undestand that a very few distant relatives on rare occassions eat fish and poultry. Wow, you are so lucky to be able to say that your family has been veg for 600 years. I wish I could say that! I wonder if anyone has ever done a study on the " genes " of Indian people to see if they are healthier today. I was appalled, last year I went to an Indian Restaurant in NYC, and I was shocked to see so many BEEF items on the menu. I never went back to that restaurant, only because I figured that If they had beef on the menu, they couldn't possible be real indian people. Don't people realize this? Yet this restaurant was packed with people. -anouk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2005 Report Share Posted January 13, 2005 , " Anouk Sickler " <zurumato@e...> wrote: > but like jo, I was under the impression that these stories in > hinduism of killing 999 elephants, sons turning into snakes and such > are really more like representations or moral fables. It is not just that. There are several recorded incidents of animal sacrifice. Ashwamedha Yaga, I believe can be one such example. Also Silk was/is considered special. Imagine wearing a silk saree and celebrating a special occassion. The Silk was sold to Indians by the Chinese and transported via the Silk route in ancient days. I believe in the principle of Karma. What goes around, comes around. If one wears a dress made from the dead bodies of several 1000's of insects that died a horrible death and celebrates in this dress then this is very Bad Karma. Now as a Vegan I am very sure about this. Before, this area due to tradition had become very grey. Honey is also widely used. Not all Hindus are Vegetarians. In some parts of India, the meat eaters can be as high as 60%. There are also people of other religions who eat Beef. This explains your observation in the NYC restaurant. > Wow, you are so lucky to be able to say that your family has been veg > for 600 years. I wish I could say that! I wonder if anyone has ever > done a study on the " genes " of Indian people to see if they are > healthier today. Healthier in some ways yes. However, excess consumption of butter and its derivatives, excess consumption of deep fried foods and excess consumption of sugar all have had very bad effects on the general health of Indians. Presently India has a diabetic epidemic recognized by the UN. Based on heridity, Indians have a very high chance of becomming diabetic. Sweets are consumed in fairly large quantities as a part of the tradition. Vijay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2005 Report Share Posted January 13, 2005 One of my favourite restaurants is Rasa in Stoke Newington - a South Indian vegetarian restaurant. Unfortunately, the person also runs two other restaurants - one that serves fish, and one that serves meat. It seems such a shame as the vegetarian food is delicious. Jo , " Anouk Sickler " <zurumato@e...> wrote: > > > Also, it is said that Rama's Father Dasharatha sacrificed 999 > Elephants inorder to appease the Gods to have a son. Animal sacrifice > was fairly common called Ashwamedha Yaga. Somehow, at a certain point > everyone went Vegetarian it appears. Rama hunted and shot a deer for > his wife Sita. > > > > Vijay, I have been interested in Asian religion since college, I read > articles, and books on hindusim and budhism, I atracted to these > religions despite the fact being raised cristian. > because these asian religions, promote peace, do not promote > materialism and have a healthier view of sex. (I don't mean to put > christians down eaither.) It's just that they are more in line with > my way of thinking. > > but like jo, I was under the impression that these stories in > hinduism of killing 999 elephants, sons turning into snakes and such > are really more like representations or moral fables. > > > I am from India originally. To best of my knowledge, based on word > of mouth/family history for well over 600 years my Family has been > Vegetarian. However, milk is consumed and some members also eat eggs. > > These days I undestand that a very few distant relatives on rare > occassions eat fish and poultry. > > Wow, you are so lucky to be able to say that your family has been veg > for 600 years. I wish I could say that! I wonder if anyone has ever > done a study on the " genes " of Indian people to see if they are > healthier today. > I was appalled, last year I went to an Indian Restaurant in NYC, and > I was shocked to see so many BEEF items on the menu. I never went > back to that restaurant, only because I figured that If they had beef > on the menu, they couldn't possible be real indian people. Don't > people realize this? Yet this restaurant was packed with people. > > -anouk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2005 Report Share Posted January 13, 2005 I really admire many Jainism principles. However in the west I don’t think that it realistic. (then again my non vegan associates don’t think veganism is possible in the west!!) Andrew Barnes rvijay07 [rvijay07] 12 January 2005 20:54 Re: Krishna/Milk. , fraggle <EBbrewpunx@e...> wrote: > Yes, this is true. The Jains have a Vegetarian Tradition for the past 9000 years. When it comes to loving/serving animals and Vegetarianism they are leaders I feel. Vijay To send an email to - ______________________ This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Star. The service is powered by MessageLabs. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit: http://www.star.net.uk ______________________ This message is confidential and is intended for the addressee only; unless clearly stated that this disclaimer should not apply, this e-mail is not intended to create legally binding commitments on behalf of FDM Group Plc, nor do its contents reflect the corporate views or policies of FDM. Any unauthorised disclosure, use or dissemination, either whole or partial, is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient of the message, please notify the sender immediately. ______________________ This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Star Internet. The service is powered by MessageLabs. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit: http://www.star.net.uk ______________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2005 Report Share Posted January 13, 2005 , " heartwerk " <heartwork@c...> wrote: > > One of my favourite restaurants is Rasa in Stoke Newington - a South > Indian vegetarian restaurant. Unfortunately, the person also runs > two other restaurants - one that serves fish, and one that serves > meat. It seems such a shame as the vegetarian food is delicious. > > Jo > Agreed with this. However, specially in the past without serving meats these restaurants couldn't survive. Vijay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2005 Report Share Posted January 13, 2005 , " Andrew Barnes " <andrew.barnes@f...> wrote: > I really admire many Jainism principles. However in the west I don't > think that it realistic. (then again my non vegan associates don't think > veganism is possible in the west!!) > > Andrew Barnes That is what even I felt in India as a kid. However, it is interesting to see that they have lived this way for 9000 years. Moreover, they are the richest community in India, doing the most for public good and for the benefit of animals. Really straightforward. They have been greatly rewarded for all this with an amazing amount of wealth. Vijay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2005 Report Share Posted January 13, 2005 I assume that is why the other two restaurants opened. At least the totally vegetarian one is still thriving. Jo > Agreed with this. However, specially in the past without serving meats these restaurants couldn't survive. > > Vijay > To send an email to - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2005 Report Share Posted January 13, 2005 > I really admire many Jainism principles. However in the west I don’t think that it realistic. (then again my non vegan associates > don’t think veganism is possible in the west!!) I know one Jain - I gather that, as with any religion, there are different "levels" of Jainist practice in regard to diet. The one I know is vegan and doesn't eat root vegetables, but does eat fruit, nuts, lentils, rice, etc. etc. I gather that this is the "common" practice amongst Jains in thw West. BB Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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