Guest guest Posted January 23, 2005 Report Share Posted January 23, 2005 This Walk A Mile program should be a requirement for elected officials, don't you think? (http://walkamile.org/) Laura ------------ Dining on $2 a day? Vegetarian offers tips By Ted Halsted Kudos to Richmond Mayor Sally Hutton and 10 other Indiana mayors who participated with 15 state senators and representatives in a " Walk a Mile " program to sensitize themselves to what it is like to live on a meager fixed income. In their experiment each partnered with a person on fixed income and from mid-November through mid-December tried to live on the equivalent of that person's income. " I had to try to live on $5 a day for food, " Hutton said. " I didn't do well. " No wonder, if one tries to live on a typical American diet. There is an alternative. Be a vegetarian and you can have a healthy, well-balanced, tasty diet with an abundance of fresh fruits and vegetables for just $2 a day. My wife, Marcy, and I have lived on such a diet for many years, not by economic necessity but by choice as an expression of our faith. The money we save we devote to world hunger projects, economic development in Third World countries and meeting human needs here in Richmond. The $2 per day is only for groceries. Detergent, cleanser, trash bags, etc. are in addition. We don't eat many meals out, but the cost of restaurant meals is extra, as is entertaining guests. Back in the 1970s when Francis Moore Lappe's ground-breaking diet book " Diet for a Small Planet " attracted many readers, Marcy and I decided that instead of supporting an input of 5 pounds of grain into a cow to produce 1 pound of beef, we would take our grain straight. Through reading and study we learned how to have a healthy diet with a proper balance of protein, carbohydrates, fat, minerals and vitamins. Here are four basic principles for living on $2 a day per person for food. An advantage of such a diet is improved health. You get the nutrition you need without the extra calories that add pounds to your weight. What will be considered a disadvantage by some is that preparing meals from scratch takes more time. From our standpoint, having everything taste fresher and better is worth the time investment. One of our joys from our $28 per week total for groceries for the two of us is donating an equal amount weekly to projects to eliminate world hunger. Marcy and I got a big push toward simpler living when as young adults in the early 1950s we were missionaries in India. Marcy as nursing superintendent of a mission hospital experienced distress in not being able to retain some employees who desperately needed their jobs in order to feed their families. I, as housefather of a boarding hostel for students, administered a food budget that back then amounted to just 7 cents per student per day. Living in India branded both of us for life. Another push toward simpler living came when our two daughters, while students at Earlham College, decided to become veggies and inspired Mother and Dad to emulate them. We want to live simply so that others can simply live. I realize that what I have written may sound self-congratulatory. I risk openness in the hope that some readers might be encouraged in their own endeavors to live responsibly on a planet in which there is enough for everyone's need, but not for everyone's greed. Ted Halsted is a resident of Richmond http://www.pal-item.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050123/NEWS03/ 501230339/1003 or http://tinyurl.com/4jjuh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2005 Report Share Posted January 24, 2005 yeah it should tho..$2 a day... hmmmm...maybe if i averaged it out.... morgaana Jan 23, 2005 3:10 PM dining on $2 a day This Walk A Mile program should be a requirement for elected officials, don't you think? (http://walkamile.org/) Laura ------------ Dining on $2 a day? Vegetarian offers tips By Ted Halsted Kudos to Richmond Mayor Sally Hutton and 10 other Indiana mayors who participated with 15 state senators and representatives in a " Walk a Mile " program to sensitize themselves to what it is like to live on a meager fixed income. In their experiment each partnered with a person on fixed income and from mid-November through mid-December tried to live on the equivalent of that person's income. " I had to try to live on $5 a day for food, " Hutton said. " I didn't do well. " No wonder, if one tries to live on a typical American diet. There is an alternative. Be a vegetarian and you can have a healthy, well-balanced, tasty diet with an abundance of fresh fruits and vegetables for just $2 a day. My wife, Marcy, and I have lived on such a diet for many years, not by economic necessity but by choice as an expression of our faith. The money we save we devote to world hunger projects, economic development in Third World countries and meeting human needs here in Richmond. The $2 per day is only for groceries. Detergent, cleanser, trash bags, etc. are in addition. We don't eat many meals out, but the cost of restaurant meals is extra, as is entertaining guests. Back in the 1970s when Francis Moore Lappe's ground-breaking diet book " Diet for a Small Planet " attracted many readers, Marcy and I decided that instead of supporting an input of 5 pounds of grain into a cow to produce 1 pound of beef, we would take our grain straight. Through reading and study we learned how to have a healthy diet with a proper balance of protein, carbohydrates, fat, minerals and vitamins. Here are four basic principles for living on $2 a day per person for food. An advantage of such a diet is improved health. You get the nutrition you need without the extra calories that add pounds to your weight. What will be considered a disadvantage by some is that preparing meals from scratch takes more time. From our standpoint, having everything taste fresher and better is worth the time investment. One of our joys from our $28 per week total for groceries for the two of us is donating an equal amount weekly to projects to eliminate world hunger. Marcy and I got a big push toward simpler living when as young adults in the early 1950s we were missionaries in India. Marcy as nursing superintendent of a mission hospital experienced distress in not being able to retain some employees who desperately needed their jobs in order to feed their families. I, as housefather of a boarding hostel for students, administered a food budget that back then amounted to just 7 cents per student per day. Living in India branded both of us for life. Another push toward simpler living came when our two daughters, while students at Earlham College, decided to become veggies and inspired Mother and Dad to emulate them. We want to live simply so that others can simply live. I realize that what I have written may sound self-congratulatory. I risk openness in the hope that some readers might be encouraged in their own endeavors to live responsibly on a planet in which there is enough for everyone's need, but not for everyone's greed. Ted Halsted is a resident of Richmond http://www.pal-item.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050123/NEWS03/ 501230339/1003 or http://tinyurl.com/4jjuh Kick over the wall 'cause government's to fall How can you refuse it? Let fury have the hour, anger can be power D'you know that you can use it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2005 Report Share Posted January 24, 2005 It would be challenging, but I think all of us here, just from being veg, have a really good idea of the minimum you would need to get by. What to eat to get all of your nutrients, etc. Maybe if people on fixed incomes had some instruction on this rather than that USDA garbage, they might be better off as well. Might be a nice community outreach project for a veg group. Hmmm.... I mean, I could probably make a week's worth of chili for $3. But I don't want to eat chili for a week. I spend about $40-50/week in food for 2 people. That's usually 5 dinners and leftovers are my lunches although weekend lunches are usually eaten out. It also covers both of our breakfasts. Most dinners I make are from " scratch " . A pressure cooker makes dried beans reasonable to deal with. How does everyone else get by? Any tricks? Laura On Jan 24, 2005, at 1:01 PM, fraggle wrote: > yeah it should > tho..$2 a day... > hmmmm...maybe if i averaged it out.... > > > morgaana > Jan 23, 2005 3:10 PM > > dining on $2 a day > > This Walk A Mile program should be a requirement for elected > officials, > don't you think? (http://walkamile.org/) > > Laura > > ------------ > > Dining on $2 a day? Vegetarian offers tips > > By Ted Halsted > > > Kudos to Richmond Mayor Sally Hutton and 10 other Indiana mayors > who > participated with 15 state senators and representatives in a " Walk a > Mile " program to sensitize themselves to what it is like to live on a > meager fixed income. In their experiment each partnered with a person > on fixed income and from mid-November through mid-December tried to > live on the equivalent of that person's income. > > " I had to try to live on $5 a day for food, " Hutton said. " I didn't > do > well. " No wonder, if one tries to live on a typical American diet. > > There is an alternative. Be a vegetarian and you can have a > healthy, > well-balanced, tasty diet with an abundance of fresh fruits and > vegetables for just $2 a day. My wife, Marcy, and I have lived on > such > a diet for many years, not by economic necessity but by choice as an > expression of our faith. The money we save we devote to world hunger > projects, economic development in Third World countries and meeting > human needs here in Richmond. > > The $2 per day is only for groceries. Detergent, cleanser, trash > bags, > etc. are in addition. We don't eat many meals out, but the cost of > restaurant meals is extra, as is entertaining guests. > > Back in the 1970s when Francis Moore Lappe's ground-breaking diet > book > " Diet for a Small Planet " attracted many readers, Marcy and I decided > that instead of supporting an input of 5 pounds of grain into a cow > to > produce 1 pound of beef, we would take our grain straight. Through > reading and study we learned how to have a healthy diet with a proper > balance of protein, carbohydrates, fat, minerals and vitamins. > > Here are four basic principles for living on $2 a day per person > for > food. > > An advantage of such a diet is improved health. You get the > nutrition > you need without the extra calories that add pounds to your weight. > What will be considered a disadvantage by some is that preparing > meals > from scratch takes more time. From our standpoint, having everything > taste fresher and better is worth the time investment. One of our > joys > from our $28 per week total for groceries for the two of us is > donating > an equal amount weekly to projects to eliminate world hunger. > > Marcy and I got a big push toward simpler living when as young > adults > in the early 1950s we were missionaries in India. Marcy as nursing > superintendent of a mission hospital experienced distress in not > being > able to retain some employees who desperately needed their jobs in > order to feed their families. I, as housefather of a boarding hostel > for students, administered a food budget that back then amounted to > just 7 cents per student per day. Living in India branded both of us > for life. > > Another push toward simpler living came when our two daughters, > while > students at Earlham College, decided to become veggies and inspired > Mother and Dad to emulate them. We want to live simply so that others > can simply live. > > I realize that what I have written may sound self-congratulatory. I > risk openness in the hope that some readers might be encouraged in > their own endeavors to live responsibly on a planet in which there is > enough for everyone's need, but not for everyone's greed. > > Ted Halsted is a resident of Richmond > > http://www.pal-item.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050123/NEWS03/ > 501230339/1003 > > or > > http://tinyurl.com/4jjuh > > Kick over the wall 'cause government's to fall > How can you refuse it? > Let fury have the hour, anger can be power > D'you know that you can use it? > > > > To send an email to - > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2005 Report Share Posted January 24, 2005 For my family of four we are closer to $8 per person, per day (just based on our average shopping bill). But my shopping bill does include the cleaning stuff, beer and wine etc. I buy organic. But I figure that is less than $3 per meal per person - I certainly couldn't eat out for that much. nancy , morgaana@a... wrote: > It would be challenging, but I think all of us here, just from being > veg, have a really good idea of the minimum you would need to get by. > What to eat to get all of your nutrients, etc. Maybe if people on fixed > incomes had some instruction on this rather than that USDA garbage, > they might be better off as well. Might be a nice community outreach > project for a veg group. Hmmm.... > > I mean, I could probably make a week's worth of chili for $3. But I > don't want to eat chili for a week. I spend about $40-50/week in food > for 2 people. That's usually 5 dinners and leftovers are my lunches > although weekend lunches are usually eaten out. It also covers both of > our breakfasts. Most dinners I make are from " scratch " . A pressure > cooker makes dried beans reasonable to deal with. > > How does everyone else get by? Any tricks? > > Laura > > > On Jan 24, 2005, at 1:01 PM, fraggle wrote: > > > yeah it should > > tho..$2 a day... > > hmmmm...maybe if i averaged it out.... > > > > > > morgaana@a... > > Jan 23, 2005 3:10 PM > > > > dining on $2 a day > > > > This Walk A Mile program should be a requirement for elected > > officials, > > don't you think? (http://walkamile.org/) > > > > Laura > > > > ------------ > > > > Dining on $2 a day? Vegetarian offers tips > > > > By Ted Halsted > > > > > > Kudos to Richmond Mayor Sally Hutton and 10 other Indiana mayors > > who > > participated with 15 state senators and representatives in a " Walk a > > Mile " program to sensitize themselves to what it is like to live on a > > meager fixed income. In their experiment each partnered with a person > > on fixed income and from mid-November through mid-December tried to > > live on the equivalent of that person's income. > > > > " I had to try to live on $5 a day for food, " Hutton said. " I didn't > > do > > well. " No wonder, if one tries to live on a typical American diet. > > > > There is an alternative. Be a vegetarian and you can have a > > healthy, > > well-balanced, tasty diet with an abundance of fresh fruits and > > vegetables for just $2 a day. My wife, Marcy, and I have lived on > > such > > a diet for many years, not by economic necessity but by choice as an > > expression of our faith. The money we save we devote to world hunger > > projects, economic development in Third World countries and meeting > > human needs here in Richmond. > > > > The $2 per day is only for groceries. Detergent, cleanser, trash > > bags, > > etc. are in addition. We don't eat many meals out, but the cost of > > restaurant meals is extra, as is entertaining guests. > > > > Back in the 1970s when Francis Moore Lappe's ground-breaking diet > > book > > " Diet for a Small Planet " attracted many readers, Marcy and I decided > > that instead of supporting an input of 5 pounds of grain into a cow > > to > > produce 1 pound of beef, we would take our grain straight. Through > > reading and study we learned how to have a healthy diet with a proper > > balance of protein, carbohydrates, fat, minerals and vitamins. > > > > Here are four basic principles for living on $2 a day per person > > for > > food. > > > > An advantage of such a diet is improved health. You get the > > nutrition > > you need without the extra calories that add pounds to your weight. > > What will be considered a disadvantage by some is that preparing > > meals > > from scratch takes more time. From our standpoint, having everything > > taste fresher and better is worth the time investment. One of our > > joys > > from our $28 per week total for groceries for the two of us is > > donating > > an equal amount weekly to projects to eliminate world hunger. > > > > Marcy and I got a big push toward simpler living when as young > > adults > > in the early 1950s we were missionaries in India. Marcy as nursing > > superintendent of a mission hospital experienced distress in not > > being > > able to retain some employees who desperately needed their jobs in > > order to feed their families. I, as housefather of a boarding hostel > > for students, administered a food budget that back then amounted to > > just 7 cents per student per day. Living in India branded both of us > > for life. > > > > Another push toward simpler living came when our two daughters, > > while > > students at Earlham College, decided to become veggies and inspired > > Mother and Dad to emulate them. We want to live simply so that others > > can simply live. > > > > I realize that what I have written may sound self- congratulatory. I > > risk openness in the hope that some readers might be encouraged in > > their own endeavors to live responsibly on a planet in which there is > > enough for everyone's need, but not for everyone's greed. > > > > Ted Halsted is a resident of Richmond > > > > http://www.pal-item.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article? AID=/20050123/NEWS03/ > > 501230339/1003 > > > > or > > > > http://tinyurl.com/4jjuh > > > > Kick over the wall 'cause government's to fall > > How can you refuse it? > > Let fury have the hour, anger can be power > > D'you know that you can use it? > > > > > > > > To send an email to - > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 Laura wrote: > >I mean, I could probably make a week's worth of chili for $3. But I >don't want to eat chili for a week. We eat very cheaply, and part of the reason is that almost all our meals are made with dirt-cheap protein sources: beans, tofu, TVP, and seitan. (I don't need to watch my protein intake, but James does; he's diabetic.) I can feed all three of us for a few dollars, and could do it on less if I avoided some of the more expensive fresh veggies and stuff, but thankfully, we're able to get by. We don't make very much money, but then again, we don't have kids or a car payment or any debt to speak of, so our money already goes farther than it would otherwise. >How does everyone else get by? Any tricks? 1) We go once every week or two to the Grocery Outlet for things that are much cheaper than we can get in the store. Our favorite bread is $3+ in the regular grocery store and $1.49 in the Grocery Outlet, so we get half a dozen loaves and freeze them. Also, I get a big bag (eleven servings) of O'Brien potatoes there for $.99. Stuff like that. The prices are worth the extra trip from time to time. 2) We make almost all our own meals. We nearly never eat out. We like the food we cook, and we're fairly easy to please, so eating out is saved for special occasions or for when we're away from home and aren't likely to be home before it's time to eat again. 3) We shop for fresh produce every day or two (we walk a few miles a day, and one of our walks is a mile each way to the wonderful natural grocery near us). That way, nothing ever goes bad. It's *extremely* rare that we throw food out. 4) In the same vein, we rarely cook enough to have leftovers. In our house, unless it's something we adore, leftovers are likely to sit in the fridge until they get tossed, so we've learned to make just enough for a meal in most cases. (I will freeze extra portions of sauces or beans, but only if they're favorites and they freeze really well.) 5) We snack on popcorn (cooked in the kettle, not the microwave, for much cheaper) and fruit most of the time, rather than expensive packaged snacks. (If we want the expensive packaged snacks, we go for it, but that's another thing we tend to pick up at the Grocery Outlet.) 6) We pay attention to how much stuff costs. If I make my own spaghetti sauce, it costs me a couple of dollars a quart. If I see decent spaghetti sauce pre-made at the Grocery Outlet for $1.49, I pick some up. 7) Sometimes I buy packaged soy/ricemilk, but I try to make my own rice or nut milk because the price and freshness are much better. (1 cup of nuts or cooked rice, 4 cups of water, blend, strain.) Stuff like that. I may think of other things. serene Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 By the way, Laura, is it okay if I repost your question and my answers on my food blog? serene Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 Great tips! I miss the days when I could just stop by the green grocer on the way home. I compromise by cooking the more perishable veggies early in the week and leave the more sturdy ones for later to avoid the going bad problem. Atlanta is terribly spread out. And while we have a number of great markets for produce and ethnic stores, the closest one to me is 20 minutes by car. I still hit up ethnic markets a few times a year to stock up on staples like gallon drums of soy sauce, etc. It seems like most recipes are optimized for around 4 people. If I think something won't make good leftovers, I try to adjust the amounts so there won't be any. We're not really snackers. When the mood strikes, I'll make a pan of brownies or cookies. I also keep Stonewalls Jerquee and nuts around for low blood sugar moments. Last year's New Year's resolution was to eat more organic. Put my meager raise towards higher quality foods rather than blow it on something else. I think my weekly groceries were $30-35 before and now are $40-50. Rice and soy milk are reasonable enough for me not to want to bother with making it. But some day I'm going to make my own seitan. Anyone do this regularly? Can you freeze it? Laura On Jan 24, 2005, at 11:20 PM, serene wrote: > We eat very cheaply, and part of the reason is that almost all our > meals are made with dirt-cheap protein sources: beans, tofu, TVP, > and seitan. (I don't need to watch my protein intake, but James does; > he's diabetic.) I can feed all three of us for a few dollars, and > could do it on less if I avoided some of the more expensive fresh > veggies and stuff, but thankfully, we're able to get by. We don't > make very much money, but then again, we don't have kids or a car > payment or any debt to speak of, so our money already goes farther > than it would otherwise. > > >How does everyone else get by? Any tricks? > > 1) We go once every week or two to the Grocery Outlet for things > that are much cheaper than we can get in the store. Our favorite > bread is $3+ in the regular grocery store and $1.49 in the Grocery > Outlet, so we get half a dozen loaves and freeze them. Also, I get a > big bag (eleven servings) of O'Brien potatoes there for $.99. Stuff > like that. The prices are worth the extra trip from time to time. > > 2) We make almost all our own meals. We nearly never eat out. We > like the food we cook, and we're fairly easy to please, so eating out > is saved for special occasions or for when we're away from home and > aren't likely to be home before it's time to eat again. > > 3) We shop for fresh produce every day or two (we walk a few miles a > day, and one of our walks is a mile each way to the wonderful natural > grocery near us). That way, nothing ever goes bad. It's *extremely* > rare that we throw food out. > > 4) In the same vein, we rarely cook enough to have leftovers. In > our house, unless it's something we adore, leftovers are likely to > sit in the fridge until they get tossed, so we've learned to make > just enough for a meal in most cases. (I will freeze extra portions > of sauces or beans, but only if they're favorites and they freeze > really well.) > > 5) We snack on popcorn (cooked in the kettle, not the microwave, for > much cheaper) and fruit most of the time, rather than expensive > packaged snacks. (If we want the expensive packaged snacks, we go > for it, but that's another thing we tend to pick up at the Grocery > Outlet.) > > 6) We pay attention to how much stuff costs. If I make my own > spaghetti sauce, it costs me a couple of dollars a quart. If I see > decent spaghetti sauce pre-made at the Grocery Outlet for $1.49, I > pick some up. > > 7) Sometimes I buy packaged soy/ricemilk, but I try to make my own > rice or nut milk because the price and freshness are much better. (1 > cup of nuts or cooked rice, 4 cups of water, blend, strain.) > > Stuff like that. I may think of other things. > > serene Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 Laura wrote: >Great tips! I miss the days when I could just stop by the green >grocer on the way home. *nodnod* I'll confess that when we moved to the Bay Area, one of my top criteria for a new place was that we be within walking distance of the Berkeley Bowl, the best natural-foods store I've ever seen. It's exactly a mile from our house, and I'm in veggie heaven. Yesterday, I picked up some beautiful crookneck squash and a parsnip. Anyone have something yummy for me to make with a parsnip? :-) > I compromise by cooking the more perishable >veggies early in the week and leave the more sturdy ones for later >to avoid the going bad problem. *nodnod* Do you have a CSA where you are? >We're not really snackers. When the mood strikes, I'll make a pan of >brownies or cookies. I also keep Stonewalls Jerquee and nuts around >for low blood sugar moments. When I'm doing the vegan thing, especially when I'm taking it easy on fat, I become Grazing Woman! I have to have emergency food in my car, and snacks available at home, because I'll be fine one minute, and the next I'm ready to chew someone's arm off, I'm so hungry. >Rice and soy milk are reasonable enough for me not to want to bother >with making it. But some day I'm going to make my own seitan. Anyone >do this regularly? Can you freeze it? I make it, but have never frozen it. I've made it from whole-wheat flour, which is time-consuming but meditative, and from straight gluten, which is easy as pie. No, easier. serene Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 the crowds at berkeley bowl drive me absolutely nuts... serene Jan 25, 2005 8:44 AM Re: dining on $2 a day Laura wrote:>Great tips! I miss the days when I could just stop by the green>grocer on the way home.*nodnod* I'll confess that when we moved to the Bay Area, one of my top criteria for a new place was that we be within walking distance of the Berkeley Bowl, the best natural-foods store I've ever seen. It's exactly a mile from our house, and I'm in veggie heaven. Yesterday, I picked up some beautiful crookneck squash and a parsnip. Anyone have something yummy for me to make with a parsnip? :-)> I compromise by cooking the more perishable>veggies early in the week and leave the more sturdy ones for later>to avoid the going bad problem.*nodnod* Do you have a CSA where you are? Kick over the wall 'cause government's to fall How can you refuse it? Let fury have the hour, anger can be power D'you know that you can use it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 fraggle wrote: >the crowds at berkeley bowl drive me absolutely nuts... Yeah, I can totally understand that. However, they don't bother me. There are a lot of people, but everyone's pretty polite, and I don't push a cart (we're nearly always walking, so if it won't fit in a handbasket, it's probably too much to carry home), so I can move through the aisles pretty well, even when they're full. I don't know; it may be weird, but it's one of the beautiful things about moving here to me -- a place like Berkeley Bowl in San Diego (where I'm from) would never thrive -- hell, I saw more than one natural grocery store fold in my 26 years there. Here, it's packed all the time. I think that's beautiful. serene Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 i'm glad you enjoy it me, on the other paw, have had some horrid experiences there... *shrug* and...i moved briefly to San Diego in 1998 *shudder* worse time of my life (tho, current events are quickly gaining on it...) serene Jan 25, 2005 9:11 AM Re: dining on $2 a day fraggle wrote:>the crowds at berkeley bowl drive me absolutely nuts...Yeah, I can totally understand that. However, they don't bother me. There are a lot of people, but everyone's pretty polite, and I don't push a cart (we're nearly always walking, so if it won't fit in a handbasket, it's probably too much to carry home), so I can move through the aisles pretty well, even when they're full.I don't know; it may be weird, but it's one of the beautiful things about moving here to me -- a place like Berkeley Bowl in San Diego (where I'm from) would never thrive -- hell, I saw more than one natural grocery store fold in my 26 years there. Here, it's packed all the time. I think that's beautiful.sereneTo send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 Nice to know this, as I'm planning my big move to San Diego this summer :-(... oh well, I guess I'll learn to deal ~Adam - fraggle Tuesday, January 25, 2005 9:24 AM @WL Re: dining on $2 a day i'm glad you enjoy it me, on the other paw, have had some horrid experiences there... *shrug* and...i moved briefly to San Diego in 1998 *shudder* worse time of my life (tho, current events are quickly gaining on it...) serene Jan 25, 2005 9:11 AM Re: dining on $2 a day fraggle wrote:>the crowds at berkeley bowl drive me absolutely nuts...Yeah, I can totally understand that. However, they don't bother me. There are a lot of people, but everyone's pretty polite, and I don't push a cart (we're nearly always walking, so if it won't fit in a handbasket, it's probably too much to carry home), so I can move through the aisles pretty well, even when they're full.I don't know; it may be weird, but it's one of the beautiful things about moving here to me -- a place like Berkeley Bowl in San Diego (where I'm from) would never thrive -- hell, I saw more than one natural grocery store fold in my 26 years there. Here, it's packed all the time. I think that's beautiful.sereneTo send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 who knows..you might like it again, this was in 1998 ... coming from the bay area where i had lived since 1989, it was a big shock..at the time it was dang near impossible to find good vegan food, everything was strip malls and the like..and we had to travel several towns over to get organic food, and even then the selection was almost unbearable(again, coming from this area, where you can find organics at local liquor stores, and the bigger places tell you were the stuff is from, etc) but..its gotten better,...there are a couple good places in ocean beach but..i wouldn't move there again if it was the last place on earth... sad to, cuz my job might be consolidated down to SD, and no way am i going... grrrrr fraggle Adam Vore Jan 25, 2005 1:25 PM Re: Re: dining on $2 a day Nice to know this, as I'm planning my big move to San Diego this summer :-(... oh well, I guess I'll learn to deal ~Adam - fraggle Tuesday, January 25, 2005 9:24 AM @WL Re: dining on $2 a day i'm glad you enjoy it me, on the other paw, have had some horrid experiences there... *shrug* and...i moved briefly to San Diego in 1998 *shudder* worse time of my life (tho, current events are quickly gaining on it...) serene Jan 25, 2005 9:11 AM Re: dining on $2 a day fraggle wrote:>the crowds at berkeley bowl drive me absolutely nuts...Yeah, I can totally understand that. However, they don't bother me. There are a lot of people, but everyone's pretty polite, and I don't push a cart (we're nearly always walking, so if it won't fit in a handbasket, it's probably too much to carry home), so I can move through the aisles pretty well, even when they're full.I don't know; it may be weird, but it's one of the beautiful things about moving here to me -- a place like Berkeley Bowl in San Diego (where I'm from) would never thrive -- hell, I saw more than one natural grocery store fold in my 26 years there. Here, it's packed all the time. I think that's beautiful.sereneTo send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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