Guest guest Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 i got an e-mail about this, and it took me several different searches to actually find it...goggle, cnn, etc had nothing (except some awards stories, and one story of how the plant was idled last year) makes ya think..since they are pushing nuclear power again... Leak Causes Concerns At Fermi 2 Nuclear Plant 8 minutes ago Local - WDIV ClickOnDetroit.com A coolant leak inside the Fermi 2 nuclear power plant created some scary moments, but officials said there were no radioactive substances involved. The leak was sealed late Monday night. The plant was shut down when the leak was detected, just after 4 p.m. Monday in a safety containment area of the plant, according to DTE Energy officials. The chemical was a nonradioactive coolant water, which was leaking at 50 gallons per minute, Local 4 reported. " No radioactive liquids were involved with it, " said Rick Libra, Director Of Engineering at the plant. Libra said the substance was " similar to river water. " Wayne County Executive Robert Ficano said that no radiation was released and that the Wayne County Emergency Management Department closely monitored the situation. " There was never any concern at this point, " said Libra. The Nuclear Regulatory Commission was notified that the coolant surrounding the reactor core had reached above 75 parts per million. Anytime coolant levels exceed 50, the NRC must be notified, according to a report from NBC News. The Canadian Ministry of Environment in Toronto was also notified. It is protocol for Canada to be informed when a nuclear plant along the border is shut down, Local 4 reported. NRC officials said the leak posed no immediate threat to the public. No evacuations were reported. " Regardless of the type of leakage, we take action to shut down the plant to make sure it is nothing serious, " said Libra. Fermi 2 is operated by Detroit Edison Co. and produces about 15 percent of the company's power, Local 4 reported. The plant is located in Monroe County's Frenchtown Township, about 25 miles northeast of Toledo. Power was redirected from other DTE Energy plants Monday night while the Fermi 2 plant was shut down. Kick over the wall 'cause government's to fall How can you refuse it? Let fury have the hour, anger can be power D'you know that you can use it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 Nothing to worry about it appears. Vijay , fraggle <EBbrewpunx@e...> wrote: > i got an e-mail about this, and it took me several different searches to actually find it...goggle, cnn, etc had nothing (except some awards stories, and one story of how the plant was idled last year) > makes ya think..since they are pushing nuclear power again... > > > Leak Causes Concerns At Fermi 2 Nuclear Plant > > 8 minutes ago Local - WDIV ClickOnDetroit.com > > > > A coolant leak inside the Fermi 2 nuclear power plant created some scary moments, but officials said there were no radioactive substances involved. The leak was sealed late Monday night. > > > > > The plant was shut down when the leak was detected, just after 4 p.m. Monday in a safety containment area of the plant, according to DTE Energy officials. The chemical was a nonradioactive coolant water, which was leaking at 50 gallons per minute, Local 4 reported. > > > " No radioactive liquids were involved with it, " said Rick Libra, Of Engineering at the plant. > > > Libra said the substance was " similar to river water. " > > > Wayne County Executive Robert Ficano said that no radiation was released and that the Wayne County Emergency Management Department closely monitored the situation. > > > " There was never any concern at this point, " said Libra. > > > The Nuclear Regulatory Commission was notified that the coolant surrounding the reactor core had reached above 75 parts per million. Anytime coolant levels exceed 50, the NRC must be notified, according to a report from NBC News. > > > The Canadian Ministry of Environment in Toronto was also notified. It is protocol for Canada to be informed when a nuclear plant along the border is shut down, Local 4 reported. > > > NRC officials said the leak posed no immediate threat to the public. No evacuations were reported. > > > " Regardless of the type of leakage, we take action to shut down the plant to make sure it is nothing serious, " said Libra. > > > Fermi 2 is operated by Detroit Edison Co. and produces about 15 percent of the company's power, Local 4 reported. The plant is located in Monroe County's Frenchtown Township, about 25 miles northeast of Toledo. > > > Power was redirected from other DTE Energy plants Monday night while the Fermi 2 plant was shut down. > > > Kick over the wall 'cause government's to fall > How can you refuse it? > Let fury have the hour, anger can be power > D'you know that you can use it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 at the moment that wasn't my point my point was that i had to actually search fer awhile before i could find anything about this... while i've seen the oscar nominations like 18 times this morning on the news... rvijay07 Jan 25, 2005 8:35 AM Re: nuclear plant leak Nothing to worry about it appears.Vijay , fraggle <EBbrewpunx@e...> wrote:> i got an e-mail about this, and it took me several differentsearches to actually find it...goggle, cnn, etc had nothing (exceptsome awards stories, and one story of how the plant was idled last year)> makes ya think..since they are pushing nuclear power again...> > > Leak Causes Concerns At Fermi 2 Nuclear Plant> > 8 minutes ago Local - WDIV ClickOnDetroit.com > > > Kick over the wall 'cause government's to fall How can you refuse it? Let fury have the hour, anger can be power D'you know that you can use it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 , fraggle <EBbrewpunx@e...> wrote: > That was just a water leak. Anything important will be covered promptly. The public will also be alerted/warned. Small leaks are normal, there are coolants in all refrigeration units even in dairy plants etc., Vijay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 if the coolant system in my refrigerator fails, my freezer melts if coolant fails in nuclear power plant you could destroy the entire plant and have a china syndrom on yer paws slight difference rvijay07 Jan 25, 2005 8:51 AM Re: nuclear plant leak , fraggle <EBbrewpunx@e...> wrote:> That was just a water leak. Anything important will be coveredpromptly. The public will also be alerted/warned. Small leaks arenormal, there are coolants in all refrigeration units even in dairyplants etc.,VijayTo send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 , fraggle <EBbrewpunx@e...> wrote: > Coolant systems also exist in all Chemical Plants etc., There are Standard procedures and Safety Precautions to deal with such situations. All manuals/training usually in place including early detection, specially in a Nuke plant. What is more scary is those tanker truckers overturning with Chlorine etc., in highways. Those happen more frequently and are sudden. Vijay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 didn't seem to help much with Chernobyl or windscale.. rvijay07 Jan 25, 2005 9:09 AM Re: nuclear plant leak , fraggle <EBbrewpunx@e...> wrote:>Coolant systems also exist in all Chemical Plants etc., There areStandard procedures and Safety Precautions to deal with suchsituations. All manuals/training usually in place including earlydetection, specially in a Nuke plant.What is more scary is those tanker truckers overturning with Chlorineetc., in highways. Those happen more frequently and are sudden.VijayTo send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 , fraggle <EBbrewpunx@e...> wrote: > Chernobyl etc., are rare exceptions. US Nuke plants can detect, handle a water leak fast, no probs. Tanker truckers with dangerous Chemicals overturn more often. No way to prevent this. Vijay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 i disagree while tanker trucks overturn all the bloody time, and trains derail, etc, there are MORE of them... how many nukes plants are there? i think there are a little over 100 plants in the US.... how many accidents have there been? i would say fer the number, a lot... we've just been lucky that there haven't been more cherobyls.. as fer regulations, those are only as good as compliance/enforcement... there have been companies that flushed radioactive water down sewers fer bacchus' sake... rvijay07 Jan 25, 2005 9:40 AM Re: nuclear plant leak , fraggle <EBbrewpunx@e...> wrote:> Chernobyl etc., are rare exceptions. US Nuke plants can detect, handlea water leak fast, no probs.Tanker truckers with dangerous Chemicals overturn more often. No wayto prevent this.VijayTo send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 I'm afraid I don't care what the statistics are - I don't like nuclear anything! Jo > Chernobyl etc., are rare exceptions. US Nuke plants can detect, handle > a water leak fast, no probs. > > Tanker truckers with dangerous Chemicals overturn more often. No way > to prevent this. > > Vijay To send an email to - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 here's a small compilation of accidents and incidents just in the US....lots left out The nuclear power plant is a particularly nefarious use of nuclear energy. Unlike conventional power plants, nuclear plants have a relatively short life-span -- 30 years -- before critical reactor components become irreparably radioactive. At that point the plant must be decommissioned (`mothballed'), or its entire reactor core replaced at great expense. To date, there is no solution regarding where to store spent power plant reactor cores. Compounding the storage problem is an accumulation of spent radioactive fuel rods, which have a life-span of only three years. 3 January 1961A reactor explosion (attributed by a Nuclear Regulatory Commission source to sabotage) at the National Reactor Testing Station in Idaho Falls, Idaho, killed one navy technician and two army technicians, and released radioactivity "largely confined" (words of John A. McCone, Director of the Atomic Energy Commission) to the reactor building. The three men were killed as they moved fuel rods in a "routine" preparation for the reactor start-up. One technician was blown to the ceiling of the containment dome and impaled on a control rod. His body remained there until it was taken down six days later. The men were so heavily exposed to radiation that their hands had to be buried separately with other radioactive wastem, and their bodies were interred in lead coffins. 24 July 1964An accident at a commercial nuclear fuel fabrication facility in Charlestown, Rhode Island left one person dead. 19 November 1971The water storage space at the Northern States Power Company's reactor in Monticello, Minnesota filled to capacity and spilled over, dumping about 50,000 gallons of radioactive waste water into the Mississippi River. Some was taken into the St. Paul water system. March 1972Senator Mike Gravel of Alaska submitted to the Congressional Record facts surrounding a routine check in a nuclear power plant which indicated abnormal radioactivity in the building's water system. Radioactivity was confirmed in the plant drinking fountain. Apparently there was an inappropriate cross-connection between a 3,000 gallon radioactive tank and the water system. 28 May 1974The Atomic Energy Commission reported that 861 "abnormal events" had occurred in 1973 in the nation's 42 operative nuclear power plants. Twelve involved the release of radioactivity "above permissible levels." 22 March 1975A technician checking for air leaks with a lighted candle caused $100 million in damage when insulation caught fire at the Browns Ferry reactor in Decatur, Alabama. The fire burned out electrical controls, lowering the cooling water to dangerous levels, before the plant could be shut down. 28 March 1979A major accident at the Three Mile Island nuclear plant near Middletown, Pennsylvania. At 4:00 a.m. a series of human and mechanical failures nearly triggered a nuclear disaster. By 8:00 a.m., after cooling water was lost and temperatures soared above 5,000 degrees, the top portion of the reactor's 150-ton core collapsed and melted. Contaminated coolant water escaped into a nearby building, releasing radioactive gasses, leading as many as 200,000 people to flee the region. Despite claims by the nuclear industry that "no one died at Three Mile Island," a study by Dr. Ernest J. Sternglass, professor of radiation physics at the University of Pittsburgh, showed that the accident led to a minimum of 430 infant deaths. 1981The Critical Mass Energy Project of Public Citizen, Inc. reported that there were 4,060 mishaps and 140 serious events at nuclear power plants in 1981, up from 3,804 mishaps and 104 serious events the previous year. 11 February 1981An Auxiliary Unit Operator, working his first day on the new job without proper training, inadvertently opened a valve which led to the contamination of eight men by 110,000 gallons of radioactive coolant sprayed into the containment building of the Tennessee Valley Authority's Sequoyah I plant in Tennessee. 1982 The Critical Mass Energy Project of Public Citizen, Inc. reported that 84,322 power plant workers were exposed to radiation in 1982, up from 82,183 the previous year. 25 January 1982A steam generator pipe broke at the Rochester Gas & Electric Company's Ginna plant near Rochester, New York. Fifteen thousand gallons of radioactive coolant spilled onto the plant floor, and small amounts of radioactive steam escaped into the air. 15-16 January 1983Nearly 208,000 gallons of water with low-level radioactive contamination was accidentally dumped into the Tennesee River at the Browns Ferry power plant. 25 February 1983A catastrophe at the Salem 1 reactor in New Jersey was averted by just 90 seconds when the plant was shut down manually, following the failure of automatic shutdown systems to act properly. The same automatic systems had failed to respond in an incident three days before, and other problems plagued this plant as well, such as a 3,000 gallon leak of radioactive water in June 1981 at the Salem 2 reactor, a 23,000 gallon leak of "mildly" radioactive water (which splashed onto 16 workers) in February 1982, and radioactive gas leaks in March 1981 and September 1982 from Salem 1. 1988It was reported that there were 2,810 accidents in U.S. commercial nuclear power plants in 1987, down slightly from the 2,836 accidents reported in 1986, according to a report issued by the Critical Mass Energy Project of Public Citizen, Inc. 28 May 1993The Nuclear Regulatory Commission released a warning to the operators of 34 nuclear reactors around the country that the instruments used to measure levels of water in the reactor could give false readings during routine shutdowns and fail to detect important leaks. The problem was first bought to light by an engineer at Northeast Utilities in Connecticut who had been harassed for raising safety questions. The flawed instruments at boiling-water reactors designed by General Electric utilize pipes which were prone to being blocked by gas bubbles; a failure to detect falling water levels could have resulted, potentially leading to a meltdown. 15 February 2000New York's Indian Point II power plant vented a small amount of radioactive steam when a an aging steam generator ruptured. The Nuclear Regulatory Commission initially reported that no radioactive material was released, but later changed their report to say that there was a leak, but not of a sufficient amount to threaten public safety. Jo Cwazy Jan 25, 2005 10:01 AM Re: Re: nuclear plant leak I'm afraid I don't care what the statistics are - I don't like nuclearanything!Jo> Chernobyl etc., are rare exceptions. US Nuke plants can detect, handle> a water leak fast, no probs.>> Tanker truckers with dangerous Chemicals overturn more often. No way> to prevent this.>> Vijay>>>>>>> To send an email to - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 oh..this is interestin http://www.ibiblio.org/bomb/ and, they just recently found the nuke lost off the east coast of the US back in the late 50's..and are deciding now wot to do wit it..whether leave it, er attempt to move it..... Kick over the wall 'cause government's to fall How can you refuse it? Let fury have the hour, anger can be power D'you know that you can use it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 , fraggle <EBbrewpunx@e...> wrote: > Still none in the US are of the level of Chernobyl. What I said here is for your own piece of mind. There are more safety precautions in nuclear reactors compared to other places. Everyone is free to interpret/react to news as they wish. Vijay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 sorry..my piece of mind is never gonna be still as long as there are all these nuke plants around, there's all this waste, and they want to build a ton more... all you need is once..once.... and, they seem to build em in quaint places..like fault lines... san onofre fer instance..and diablo canyon a nice quake down in SoCal, and radioactive oranges, forever and ever... rvijay07 Jan 25, 2005 1:27 PM Re: nuclear plant leak , fraggle <EBbrewpunx@e...> wrote:> Still none in the US are of the level of Chernobyl. What I said hereis for your own piece of mind. There are more safety precautions innuclear reactors compared to other places. Everyone is free tointerpret/react to news as they wish.VijayTo send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 , fraggle <EBbrewpunx@e...> wrote: > If it can't be changed, don't let it worry/bother you. Make peace with disaster it. Accept it. Come to terms with your death. (Accepting death and its related Philosophy is one of the most important aspects Buddhism teaches) But move on, keep living your life for now and make the best of it. We are all going to die someday, somehow. No point in worrying about it all the time. Vijay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 The media loves to sell bad/exciting news as it attracts attention. Calm routine news never is interesting. The Insurance Industry, those who sell depression medication profit on these fears of people. As one said, we die many deaths before our just one real death. Hence, it is important to focus on positives and make the best of life. Life is very short. Vijay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 umm no not my style at all i'm not to calmly sit here as the world goes to hades in a handbasket i don't accept it, and will go out kicking and screamin and its not my bloody death i'm worried about... the number of times i've had to deal with it have hardened me a tad... but, its life itself that kinda has me worried... rvijay07 Jan 25, 2005 2:11 PM Re: nuclear plant leak , fraggle <EBbrewpunx@e...> wrote:> If it can't be changed, don't let it worry/bother you. Make peace withdisaster it. Accept it. Come to terms with your death. (Acceptingdeath and its related Philosophy is one of the most important aspectsBuddhism teaches) But move on, keep living your life for now and makethe best of it.We are all going to die someday, somehow. No point in worrying aboutit all the time.VijayTo send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 Hi Vijay > We are all going to die someday, somehow. No point in worrying about > it all the time. Now, since we're talking philosophies... that point is debatable - there is a perfectly reasonable theory that the only reason people die is because we all accept that we are going to die. Self-fulfilling prophecy if you like. Therefore, just one tiny little change in the way we view the univers and we may not all die someday! BB Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 , " Peter " <metalscarab@c...> wrote: > Hi Vijay > > > We are all going to die someday, somehow. No point in worrying about > > it all the time. > > Now, since we're talking philosophies... that point is debatable - there is > a perfectly reasonable theory that the only reason people die is because we > all accept that we are going to die. Self-fulfilling prophecy if you like. > Therefore, just one tiny little change in the way we view the univers and we > may not all die someday! > > BB > Peter This is also very true and accepted. All the people who died during the Holdup in the Moscow Theatre appeared as they had already died the day before said the survivors. The topic is very advanced and complex. Any more related opinions/sites are very welcome. Vijay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 That's the sort of theory I like. BB Jo > > Now, since we're talking philosophies... that point is debatable - there is > a perfectly reasonable theory that the only reason people die is because we > all accept that we are going to die. Self-fulfilling prophecy if you like. > Therefore, just one tiny little change in the way we view the univers and we > may not all die someday! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 I think that the religions that advocate 'not taking any notice of this life because it won't last long and then everything will be alright' are doing a good job for the governments. I would rather go with trying to change things here and now. Jo umm no not my style at all i'm not to calmly sit here as the world goes to hades in a handbasket i don't accept it, and will go out kicking and screamin and its not my bloody death i'm worried about... the number of times i've had to deal with it have hardened me a tad... but, its life itself that kinda has me worried... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2005 Report Share Posted January 26, 2005 , " Jo Cwazy " <heartwork@c...> wrote: > I think that the religions that advocate 'not taking any notice of this life because it won't last long and then everything will be alright' are doing a good job for the governments. I would rather go with trying to change things here and now. > > Jo We have to do all that we have to do. This is agreed. The only thing I am saying is let us not worry about bad events. Let us not allow them to make us inefficient. Vijay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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