Guest guest Posted February 5, 2005 Report Share Posted February 5, 2005 I am going to be controversial here... But I think the anti-smoking crusade is ridiculous and hyprocritical. Alcohol causes MUCH MORE suffering in society than someone smoking does. Alcohol is the cause of many deaths on the road, family abuse, sickness, spousal abuse. Smoking does not cause this. Smoking may cause some bad air around the smokers...but no where near the emotional or psycological abuse of alcoholics or deaths due to " smoking while driving " There is an independent coffeehouse near my house. It is frequented by many leftist types. The owner told me " when they passed the no- smoking rule, 1/2 of my business went south " . I don't think it's fair for others to demand that business owners who have put their money into their business make it completely smoke- free. The customers and her were happier without it...yet people who think they know better have caused her business to go down and her smoking customers have one less place to hang out. I think this is fascist...totally. It's forcing YOUR good habits onto others without allowing them to do what they want. I agree in PUBLIC places like planes and trains, and airports and schools (where people basically don't have other choices) should be smoke free...but bars and coffeehouses...I say leave it to the owners..they have the right to decide and their customers have a right to enjoy smoking in there. I have a theory why alcohol is not on the radar of the " anti-smoking " types...it's because the elite who go after smoking enjoy their alcohol and don't want it taken away. So they go after those who smoke, who are usually in the lower economic classes, instead of fighting the habit that causes much more harm...alcohol. I really think it's a crusade against the lower classes since it's mostly the lower classes who smoke! I think it's unkind. Let them have a smoke if it helps them get through the day. Perhaps if you had days like them, you'd understand and leave them alone and not tax them to death. Me, if I lived in a world where people stopped killing each other because of drunk driving, stopped abuse caused by alcohol, were considerate and polite when I take my dogs to the park...I would not care ONE IOTA if they smoked. I'd be happy! Smoking is such a non- issue to me compared to all the bigger issues of the world...drunk driving, outsourcing, abuse of all kinds, the falling dollar, terrorism, gang, crime, government debt, corruption in government, injustice, high taxes, making my bills...I honestly do not care if others smoke or not. In fact, when I was a waittress....the nicest most easy going patrons were smokers and they left bigger tips! If someone took that away from me I'd be mad...why should the government have to decide for me whether or not I'll take a job with smokers where I'll get bigger tips...NO ONE! That should be my decision, period... not some self righteous people who think smoking is all the evil in the world. And this is all coming from someone who is a total health nut. Thanks I feel better now! Kristina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2005 Report Share Posted February 5, 2005 you know K. some day you and I are going to agree on something, and the world is going to implode.... happyyogi2003 Feb 5, 2005 11:40 AM I AGREE! I am going to be controversial here... What you see is what you get You've made your bed, you better lie in it You choose your leaders and place your trust As their lies wash you down and their promises rust You'll see kidney machines replaced by rockets and guns And the public wants what the public gets But I don't get what this society wants Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2005 Report Share Posted February 5, 2005 "...But I think the anti-smoking crusade is ridiculous and hyprocritical....Smoking is such a non-issue to me" ....so you've never heard of passive smoking then? According to the British anti-smoking campaign : Deaths from secondhand smoke Whilst the relative health risks from passive smoking are small in comparison with those from active smoking, because the diseases are common, the overall health impact is large. The British Medical Association has conservatively estimated that secondhand smoke causes at least 1,000 deaths a year in the UK. Not to mention the destruction of virgin rainforest and cloudforest around the World to make way for tobacco plantations.... Worth a thought? Adrian ALL-NEW Messenger - all new features - even more fun! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2005 Report Share Posted February 5, 2005 , fraggle <EBbrewpunx@e...> wrote: > Fraggle I am not in favor of any lying done by the tabacco industry...I just think the societal effects of those lies are minimal. I just don't see second hand smoke as a threat to life. I see a lot of other threats that I am much more concerned about then whether my neighborhood down the street lights up or not. I think alcohol and drugs are much more harmful to the body and soul. Cigarettes do no make a person less moral. And I think the effect of legislation of taxing those who do smoke is not fair. They have a right to smoke if they want, if it helps them get through the day. And most of them are poor...so I think it's attack on the poor, too. Rob Reiner and his taxing smokers to fund his private charities is the most selfish thing I have ever seen. He wants the poor, who are addicted to tabacco and can't help themselves or maybe can't afford fancy treatment centers like his buddies...to FUND his charities. I say, Mr. Reiner YOU GO FUND THEM YOURSELF! He is rich...let him form a foundation instead of on the backs of the lower classes. Leave them a lone. Thank you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2005 Report Share Posted February 5, 2005 , adrian <rednumber7> wrote: > " ...But I think the anti-smoking crusade is ridiculous and hyprocritical....Smoking is such a non- > issue to me " > > ...so you've never heard of passive smoking then? According to the British anti-smoking campaign : > > Deaths from secondhand smoke > > Whilst the relative health risks from passive smoking are small in comparison with those from active smoking, because the diseases are common, the overall health impact is large. The British Medical Association has conservatively estimated that secondhand smoke causes at least 1,000 deaths a year in the UK. > > Not to mention the destruction of virgin rainforest and cloudforest around the World to make way for tobacco plantations.... > > Worth a thought? > > Adrian > Yes it is worth a thought. I think these studies are hyped up. Before smoking became " uncool " I used to work in smoke filled restaurants when I was a young gal. Has it harmed me today? Nope. My breathing is just fine. Now if someone is around someone in their private home many many hours a day...then yes, they have a health risk. But let them work it out instead forcing all the bars and coffee houses do what the non smokers want. Let them choose! They have a right! I will give you one point: I think it's right to ban areas where we have no choice from smoking like trains, buses, airports, schools and other public institutions. But the bar down the street where over 1/2 of the patrons want to smoke? Let them doesn't bother me a bit! Also, second hand smoke does not compare to the devastation wrought upon by drugs and alcohol...but we don't hear much about that because so many of those who are anti-smoking enjoy their drinking and don't want anyone to get in the way of them doing it. Kristina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2005 Report Share Posted February 5, 2005 You cannot say for certain that spending time in smokey restaurants when you were younger has not harmed you. The damage from smoke can take 30 years or more to show up as lung damage/cancer. Jo , " happyyogi2003 " <lv2breathe@a...> wrote: > > > , adrian <rednumber7> wrote: > > " ...But I think the anti-smoking crusade is ridiculous and > hyprocritical....Smoking is such a non- > > issue to me " > > > > ...so you've never heard of passive smoking then? According to the > British anti-smoking campaign : > > > > Deaths from secondhand smoke > > > > Whilst the relative health risks from passive smoking are small in > comparison with those from active smoking, because the diseases are > common, the overall health impact is large. The British Medical > Association has conservatively estimated that secondhand smoke causes > at least 1,000 deaths a year in the UK. > > > > Not to mention the destruction of virgin rainforest and cloudforest > around the World to make way for tobacco plantations.... > > > > Worth a thought? > > > > Adrian > > > > Yes it is worth a thought. I think these studies are hyped up. > Before smoking became " uncool " I used to work in smoke filled > restaurants when I was a young gal. Has it harmed me today? Nope. > My breathing is just fine. Now if someone is around someone in their > private home many many hours a day...then yes, they have a health > risk. But let them work it out instead forcing all the bars and > coffee houses do what the non smokers want. Let them choose! They > have a right! I will give you one point: I think it's right to ban > areas where we have no choice from smoking like trains, buses, > airports, schools and other public institutions. But the bar down > the street where over 1/2 of the patrons want to smoke? Let them > doesn't bother me a bit! > > Also, second hand smoke does not compare to the devastation wrought > upon by drugs and alcohol...but we don't hear much about that because > so many of those who are anti-smoking enjoy their drinking and don't > want anyone to get in the way of them doing it. > > Kristina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2005 Report Share Posted February 5, 2005 Hi Kristina You seem to be forgetting the vast number of people who die from lung cancer and heart disease caused by inhaling other peoples' smoke. A death causes the same amount of anguish for the family of the deceased whether that death is the result of drunken driving or passive smoking. The only difference is that one is relatively quick, while the other is incredibly long and drawn out. BB Peter > > > I am going to be controversial here... > > But I think the anti-smoking crusade is ridiculous and hyprocritical. > > Alcohol causes MUCH MORE suffering in society than someone smoking > does. Alcohol is the cause of many deaths on the road, family abuse, > sickness, spousal abuse. Smoking does not cause this. Smoking may > cause some bad air around the smokers...but no where near the > emotional or psycological abuse of alcoholics or deaths due > to " smoking while driving " > > There is an independent coffeehouse near my house. It is frequented > by many leftist types. The owner told me " when they passed the no- > smoking rule, 1/2 of my business went south " . > > I don't think it's fair for others to demand that business owners who > have put their money into their business make it completely smoke- > free. The customers and her were happier without it...yet people who > think they know better have caused her business to go down and her > smoking customers have one less place to hang out. I think this is > fascist...totally. It's forcing YOUR good habits onto others without > allowing them to do what they want. I agree in PUBLIC places like > planes and trains, and airports and schools (where people basically > don't have other choices) should be smoke free...but bars and > coffeehouses...I say leave it to the owners..they have the right to > decide and their customers have a right to enjoy smoking in there. > > I have a theory why alcohol is not on the radar of the " anti-smoking " > types...it's because the elite who go after smoking enjoy their > alcohol and don't want it taken away. So they go after those who > smoke, who are usually in the lower economic classes, instead of > fighting the habit that causes much more harm...alcohol. I really > think it's a crusade against the lower classes since it's mostly the > lower classes who smoke! I think it's unkind. Let them have a smoke > if it helps them get through the day. Perhaps if you had days like > them, you'd understand and leave them alone and not tax them to death. > > Me, if I lived in a world where people stopped killing each other > because of drunk driving, stopped abuse caused by alcohol, were > considerate and polite when I take my dogs to the park...I would not > care ONE IOTA if they smoked. I'd be happy! Smoking is such a non- > issue to me compared to all the bigger issues of the world...drunk > driving, outsourcing, abuse of all kinds, the falling dollar, > terrorism, gang, crime, government debt, corruption in government, > injustice, high taxes, making my bills...I honestly do not care if > others smoke or not. In fact, when I was a waittress....the nicest > most easy going patrons were smokers and they left bigger tips! If > someone took that away from me I'd be mad...why should the government > have to decide for me whether or not I'll take a job with smokers > where I'll get bigger tips...NO ONE! That should be my decision, > period... not some self righteous people who think smoking is all the > evil in the world. > > And this is all coming from someone who is a total health nut. > > Thanks I feel better now! > > Kristina To send an email to - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2005 Report Share Posted February 6, 2005 Hi Kristina > Before smoking became " uncool " I used to work in smoke filled > restaurants when I was a young gal. Has it harmed me today? Nope. During a near nuclear disaster at Sellafield, one of the workers opened up the protective room which contained the nuclear rods, and took a dose of radiation that should have had serious effects - he's still alive, and healthy at over 80 years of age. One example of someone being OK is not definitive proof that something is generally harmless. I'm sure that all of us in the UK remember the shock of Roy Castle's lung cancer and subsequent death at a ridiculously young age - that was the result of him playing the trumpet in smoky bars during his twenties. Speaking as a performer, I find it much harder to sing in a smoke filled environment than in one which is smoke free. The effect is immediate (and obvious to pretty much anyone who takes notice of what their bodies are telling them). You may have had no effects yourself, but if that is the case, then you are one of a very small minority. BB Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2005 Report Share Posted February 6, 2005 Has anyone seen the episode of South Park where Rob Reiner comes to their town on his anti-smoking crusade? He keeps talking about how unhealthy smoking is while he's eating all this junk food and keeps getting fatter and fatter. It's pretty funny. I whole-heartedly support people's right to posion themselves whatever way they wish to, but not at the expense of MY right to breathe air that doesn't make me sick. Chronic alcoholism and drunken driving are threats that need to be dealt with, but the number one cause of death in the U.S. is smoking related illnesses (tied with heart disease.) Love, Anna > [Original Message] > happyyogi2003 <lv2breathe > > 2/5/2005 3:46:38 PM > Re: I AGREE! > > > > > , fraggle <EBbrewpunx@e...> wrote: > > > > Fraggle > > I am not in favor of any lying done by the tabacco industry...I just > think the societal effects of those lies are minimal. I just don't > see second hand smoke as a threat to life. I see a lot of other > threats that I am much more concerned about then whether my > neighborhood down the street lights up or not. > > I think alcohol and drugs are much more harmful to the body and > soul. Cigarettes do no make a person less moral. > > And I think the effect of legislation of taxing those who do smoke is > not fair. They have a right to smoke if they want, if it helps them > get through the day. And most of them are poor...so I think it's > attack on the poor, too. > > Rob Reiner and his taxing smokers to fund his private charities is > the most selfish thing I have ever seen. He wants the poor, who are > addicted to tabacco and can't help themselves or maybe can't afford > fancy treatment centers like his buddies...to FUND his charities. I > say, Mr. Reiner YOU GO FUND THEM YOURSELF! He is rich...let him form > a foundation instead of on the backs of the lower classes. Leave > them a lone. > > Thank you > > > To send an email to - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2005 Report Share Posted February 6, 2005 my reality. When I was 11, I thought smoking was cool. But that was the last time I thought that. Today I have a very low opinion of people who smoke. I believe that people who smoke are are selfish, rude, image oriented, self-destructive, have poor self esteem, are shallow, smelly, weak willed, impatient, stressed, apathethic, self-centered , yellow teethed, wrinkled and unattrative. When I was pregnant in 2002, I went to Paris, France. People there where smoking left and right all over the place. No place was off limits. They were SO rude. I couldn't go to a restaurant. They would blow smoke in my face. I can't tell you how many times I threw up in two weeks. I was super sentive to all smells, yet people didn't care. They would just light up whenever they wanted, wherever they where, they didn't even ask me permission. I haven't been there since. In the early 90's I got an office job in NYC, working for Monsanto on 42nd. st. People in the office where allowed to smoke. I had a great salary, but my clothes, my hair, every single part of me STANK! I had to constantly wash and wash my clothes and hair. It was like going to a bar every day. (today I would never work for monsanto, due to the fact that the people dressed up as cows, wouldn't let me enter the building, gave me pamphlets about Bovine Groth hormone). I was 19 years old. When I was a teenager, my mom worked for the government as a nurse aide to lady who smoked TONS, This lady was very, very poor, did not buy nutritiotious food, instead, spend her disability checks on three packs a day. Which I helped pay with my taxes as a hard working tax payer. I had no respect for this "poor" person. Even though she had already been diagnosed with cancer, had a voice box, because her larynx was messed up, she kept smoking. She was only 56 when she died. My mom would come home from work with obvious yellow eyes, pale skin, and circles under her eyes. I hated to see my mom like that! My mom has never smoked, yet when she went for a check up, the doctor asked her if she did, because her lungs where black. My dad smoked and drank since the age the age of fourteen, he could never keep a job and died at the age of 53, due to cirossis of the liver, and diabetes. I did not live with him, these vices, habits, kept him from being a good father to me. Although in his heart I think he wanted to. I do not know if he had cancer when he died. When I see people who smoke my message is, I could care less if YOU self destruct, But DO NOT POLLUTE MY AIR!!! - 2/5/2005 7:27:31 PM Re: Re: I AGREE! Hi Kristina> Before smoking became "uncool" I used to work in smoke filled> restaurants when I was a young gal. Has it harmed me today? Nope.During a near nuclear disaster at Sellafield, one of the workers opened upthe protective room which contained the nuclear rods, and took a dose ofradiation that should have had serious effects - he's still alive, andhealthy at over 80 years of age. One example of someone being OK is notdefinitive proof that something is generally harmless.I'm sure that all of us in the UK remember the shock of Roy Castle's lungcancer and subsequent death at a ridiculously young age - that was theresult of him playing the trumpet in smoky bars during his twenties.Speaking as a performer, I find it much harder to sing in a smoke filledenvironment than in one which is smoke free. The effect is immediate (andobvious to pretty much anyone who takes notice of what their bodies aretelling them). You may have had no effects yourself, but if that is thecase, then you are one of a very small minority.BBPeterTo send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2005 Report Share Posted February 6, 2005 Hi Kristina, It sounds like you may be a smoker...is that the case? I smoked for 10 years and quit 3 years ago. It was the best thing I have ever done for myself. I couldn't imagine myself smoking, and it almost seems like it was some other life or person that smoked. I, too, worked as a server in 3 smoking bars and could feel the smoke burn my throat even when I smoked. My grandmother started smoking when she was 27 years old, and the affects on her body are incredible. Her mother is still alive, and lived an extremely rough life; 3rd grade education, had to leave school to help her mom in the cotton fields, work on the farm, poor poor poor southern Georgia living and guess what? She didn't smoke and now she and my Grandmother look around the same age. I hate smelling smoke. I won't go in smoking bars or restaurants (not that there are that many in Atlanta). Anyway, I'm rambling. My point was pretty much that smoking is bad for everyone around it and really crappy for the environment. Valhappyyogi2003 <lv2breathe wrote: I am going to be controversial here...But I think the anti-smoking crusade is ridiculous and hyprocritical.Alcohol causes MUCH MORE suffering in society than someone smoking does. Alcohol is the cause of many deaths on the road, family abuse, sickness, spousal abuse. Smoking does not cause this. Smoking may cause some bad air around the smokers...but no where near the emotional or psycological abuse of alcoholics or deaths due to "smoking while driving"There is an independent coffeehouse near my house. It is frequented by many leftist types. The owner told me "when they passed the no-smoking rule, 1/2 of my business went south".I don't think it's fair for others to demand that business owners who have put their money into their business make it completely smoke-free. The customers and her were happier without it...yet people who think they know better have caused her business to go down and her smoking customers have one less place to hang out. I think this is fascist...totally. It's forcing YOUR good habits onto others without allowing them to do what they want. I agree in PUBLIC places like planes and trains, and airports and schools (where people basically don't have other choices) should be smoke free...but bars and coffeehouses...I say leave it to the owners..they have the right to decide and their customers have a right to enjoy smoking in there.I have a theory why alcohol is not on the radar of the "anti-smoking" types...it's because the elite who go after smoking enjoy their alcohol and don't want it taken away. So they go after those who smoke, who are usually in the lower economic classes, instead of fighting the habit that causes much more harm...alcohol. I really think it's a crusade against the lower classes since it's mostly the lower classes who smoke! I think it's unkind. Let them have a smoke if it helps them get through the day. Perhaps if you had days like them, you'd understand and leave them alone and not tax them to death.Me, if I lived in a world where people stopped killing each other because of drunk driving, stopped abuse caused by alcohol, were considerate and polite when I take my dogs to the park...I would not care ONE IOTA if they smoked. I'd be happy! Smoking is such a non-issue to me compared to all the bigger issues of the world...drunk driving, outsourcing, abuse of all kinds, the falling dollar, terrorism, gang, crime, government debt, corruption in government, injustice, high taxes, making my bills...I honestly do not care if others smoke or not. In fact, when I was a waittress....the nicest most easy going patrons were smokers and they left bigger tips! If someone took that away from me I'd be mad...why should the government have to decide for me whether or not I'll take a job with smokers where I'll get bigger tips...NO ONE! That should be my decision, period... not some self righteous people who think smoking is all the evil in the world.And this is all coming from someone who is a total health nut.Thanks I feel better now!Kristina To send an email to - Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2005 Report Share Posted February 6, 2005 A very good point - my mum and uncle would have been better off being run-over. Jo > Hi Kristina > > You seem to be forgetting the vast number of people who die from lung > cancer and heart disease caused by inhaling other peoples' smoke. > > A death causes the same amount of anguish for the family of the deceased > whether that death is the result of drunken driving or passive smoking. > The only difference is that one is relatively quick, while the other is > incredibly long and drawn out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2005 Report Share Posted February 6, 2005 I wish they would make concert venues non-smoking. The effects of inhaling other peopl's smoke make's my voice strange for about three days afterwards. It was very sad about Roy Castle - he had never smoked a cigarette in his life. Jo > > Before smoking became " uncool " I used to work in smoke filled > > restaurants when I was a young gal. Has it harmed me today? Nope. > > During a near nuclear disaster at Sellafield, one of the workers opened up > the protective room which contained the nuclear rods, and took a dose of > radiation that should have had serious effects - he's still alive, and > healthy at over 80 years of age. One example of someone being OK is not > definitive proof that something is generally harmless. > > I'm sure that all of us in the UK remember the shock of Roy Castle's lung > cancer and subsequent death at a ridiculously young age - that was the > result of him playing the trumpet in smoky bars during his twenties. > > Speaking as a performer, I find it much harder to sing in a smoke filled > environment than in one which is smoke free. The effect is immediate (and > obvious to pretty much anyone who takes notice of what their bodies are > telling them). You may have had no effects yourself, but if that is the > case, then you are one of a very small minority. > > BB > Peter > > > > > > To send an email to - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2005 Report Share Posted February 6, 2005 ditto smoking is only for the self absorbed I find gluttony of any type to be self absorbed and selfish... and that is what cigarette smoking is self absorption nothing more Craig ----- I AGREE! my When I see people who smoke my message is, I could care less if YOU self destruct, But DO NOT POLLUTE MY AIR!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2005 Report Share Posted February 8, 2005 Hey I don`t condone smokers for their antisocial habits per se, I used to be known to partake of the the old jaz woodbine myself in years gone past.But now there is so much evidence on passive smoking that confined spaces are NOT the place to be fumigated in. I certainly dont want my kids breathing in peoples leftover toxins, do you? The Valley Vegan.........happyyogi2003 <lv2breathe wrote: I am going to be controversial here...But I think the anti-smoking crusade is ridiculous and hyprocritical.Alcohol causes MUCH MORE suffering in society than someone smoking does. Alcohol is the cause of many deaths on the road, family abuse, sickness, spousal abuse. Smoking does not cause this. Smoking may cause some bad air around the smokers...but no where near the emotional or psycological abuse of alcoholics or deaths due to "smoking while driving"There is an independent coffeehouse near my house. It is frequented by many leftist types. The owner told me "when they passed the no-smoking rule, 1/2 of my business went south".I don't think it's fair for others to demand that business owners who have put their money into their business make it completely smoke-free. The customers and her were happier without it...yet people who think they know better have caused her business to go down and her smoking customers have one less place to hang out. I think this is fascist...totally. It's forcing YOUR good habits onto others without allowing them to do what they want. I agree in PUBLIC places like planes and trains, and airports and schools (where people basically don't have other choices) should be smoke free...but bars and coffeehouses...I say leave it to the owners..they have the right to decide and their customers have a right to enjoy smoking in there.I have a theory why alcohol is not on the radar of the "anti-smoking" types...it's because the elite who go after smoking enjoy their alcohol and don't want it taken away. So they go after those who smoke, who are usually in the lower economic classes, instead of fighting the habit that causes much more harm...alcohol. I really think it's a crusade against the lower classes since it's mostly the lower classes who smoke! I think it's unkind. Let them have a smoke if it helps them get through the day. Perhaps if you had days like them, you'd understand and leave them alone and not tax them to death.Me, if I lived in a world where people stopped killing each other because of drunk driving, stopped abuse caused by alcohol, were considerate and polite when I take my dogs to the park...I would not care ONE IOTA if they smoked. I'd be happy! Smoking is such a non-issue to me compared to all the bigger issues of the world...drunk driving, outsourcing, abuse of all kinds, the falling dollar, terrorism, gang, crime, government debt, corruption in government, injustice, high taxes, making my bills...I honestly do not care if others smoke or not. In fact, when I was a waittress....the nicest most easy going patrons were smokers and they left bigger tips! If someone took that away from me I'd be mad...why should the government have to decide for me whether or not I'll take a job with smokers where I'll get bigger tips...NO ONE! That should be my decision, period... not some self righteous people who think smoking is all the evil in the world.And this is all coming from someone who is a total health nut.Thanks I feel better now!Kristina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2005 Report Share Posted February 9, 2005 Maybe so, but to me, almost everything is about choice and being free to make our own choices. I could care less if other people smoke (they may be making a poor choice, but it is theirs to make). I just want to be able to choose not to inhale a bunch of their smoke. That would mean they were making the choice for me to smoke -- not cool by me. I mean, I have friends who smoke, but they can do that perfectly happily and not bother me or anyone else by simply being considerate, like smoking outside. My boyfriend in fact smokes 2-3 packs a day, but never in the apartment, never in his truck or my car, never when talking to me. I am more than fine with smoking and non-smoking sections or smoking and non-smoking venues. I just choose not to frequent smokey places except for a good reason. I do wish there were more smoke-free places, but I agree, it's not really the biggest issue ever. Besides, I live in Nevada, which has the highest smoking rate in the country, so " what're you gonna do? " sara , " happyyogi2003 " <lv2breathe@a...> wrote: > > I am going to be controversial here... > > But I think the anti-smoking crusade is ridiculous and hyprocritical. > > Alcohol causes MUCH MORE suffering in society than someone smoking > does. Alcohol is the cause of many deaths on the road, family abuse, > sickness, spousal abuse. Smoking does not cause this. Smoking may > cause some bad air around the smokers...but no where near the > emotional or psycological abuse of alcoholics or deaths due > to " smoking while driving " > > There is an independent coffeehouse near my house. It is frequented > by many leftist types. The owner told me " when they passed the no- > smoking rule, 1/2 of my business went south " . > > I don't think it's fair for others to demand that business owners who > have put their money into their business make it completely smoke- > free. The customers and her were happier without it...yet people who > think they know better have caused her business to go down and her > smoking customers have one less place to hang out. I think this is > fascist...totally. It's forcing YOUR good habits onto others without > allowing them to do what they want. I agree in PUBLIC places like > planes and trains, and airports and schools (where people basically > don't have other choices) should be smoke free...but bars and > coffeehouses...I say leave it to the owners..they have the right to > decide and their customers have a right to enjoy smoking in there. > > I have a theory why alcohol is not on the radar of the " anti- smoking " > types...it's because the elite who go after smoking enjoy their > alcohol and don't want it taken away. So they go after those who > smoke, who are usually in the lower economic classes, instead of > fighting the habit that causes much more harm...alcohol. I really > think it's a crusade against the lower classes since it's mostly the > lower classes who smoke! I think it's unkind. Let them have a smoke > if it helps them get through the day. Perhaps if you had days like > them, you'd understand and leave them alone and not tax them to death. > > Me, if I lived in a world where people stopped killing each other > because of drunk driving, stopped abuse caused by alcohol, were > considerate and polite when I take my dogs to the park...I would not > care ONE IOTA if they smoked. I'd be happy! Smoking is such a non- > issue to me compared to all the bigger issues of the world...drunk > driving, outsourcing, abuse of all kinds, the falling dollar, > terrorism, gang, crime, government debt, corruption in government, > injustice, high taxes, making my bills...I honestly do not care if > others smoke or not. In fact, when I was a waittress....the nicest > most easy going patrons were smokers and they left bigger tips! If > someone took that away from me I'd be mad...why should the government > have to decide for me whether or not I'll take a job with smokers > where I'll get bigger tips...NO ONE! That should be my decision, > period... not some self righteous people who think smoking is all the > evil in the world. > > And this is all coming from someone who is a total health nut. > > Thanks I feel better now! > > Kristina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2005 Report Share Posted February 9, 2005 , " Sara " <gagrip5> wrote: >> Besides, I live in Nevada, which has the highest smoking rate in >the country, so " what're you gonna do? " > sara having just spent the weekend in Reno I know exactly what you mean. My god I've not seen so much smoke in years. nancy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2005 Report Share Posted February 9, 2005 Yeah, we stick to the " good old ways " here -- smoking, drinking, prostitution... , " njdoane " <njdoane> wrote: > > , " Sara " <gagrip5> wrote: > >> Besides, I live in Nevada, which has the highest smoking rate in > >the country, so " what're you gonna do? " > > sara > > having just spent the weekend in Reno I know exactly what you mean. > My god I've not seen so much smoke in years. > > nancy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2005 Report Share Posted February 9, 2005 tis a bit different then i'm use to getting off the plane was alays a bit of a shock, as its like walking into a smog bank in the terminal... Sara Feb 9, 2005 11:06 AM Re: I AGREE! Yeah, we stick to the "good old ways" here -- smoking, drinking, prostitution... , "njdoane" <njdoane> wrote:> > , "Sara" <gagrip5> wrote:> >> Besides, I live in Nevada, which has the highest smoking rate in > >the country, so "what're you gonna do?"> > sara> > having just spent the weekend in Reno I know exactly what you mean. > My god I've not seen so much smoke in years.> > nancyTo send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2005 Report Share Posted February 9, 2005 I'm honestly pretty jealous of California's smoke-free ways, me- self. I can just imagine walking inside on a smog-alert day and the air actually being easier to breathe... OK, now I'm just dreaming. , fraggle <EBbrewpunx@e...> wrote: > tis a bit different then i'm use to getting off the plane was alays a bit of a shock, as its like walking into a smog bank in the terminal... Sara Feb 9, 2005 11:06 AM Re: I AGREE! Yeah, we stick to the " good old ways " here -- smoking, drinking, prostitution... , " njdoane " <njdoane> wrote: > > , " Sara " <gagrip5> wrote: > >> Besides, I live in Nevada, which has the highest smoking rate in > >the country, so " what're you gonna do? " > > sara > > having just spent the weekend in Reno I know exactly what you mean. > My god I've not seen so much smoke in years. > > nancy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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