Guest guest Posted February 21, 2005 Report Share Posted February 21, 2005 Don't believe it.. but they said it http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4282257.stm but here it is right in the BBC UGH!!! Putting children on strict vegan diets is "unethical" and could harm their development, a US scientist has argued. Lindsay Allen, of the US Agricultural Research Service, attacked parents who insisted their children lived by the maxim "meat is murder". Animal source foods have some nutrients not found anywhere else, she told a Washington science conference. The Vegan Society dismissed the claims, saying its research showed vegans were often healthier than meat eaters. 'Development affected' Professor Allen said: "There have been sufficient studies clearly showing that when women avoid all animal foods, their babies are born small, they grow very slowly and they are developmentally retarded, possibly permanently." There's absolutely no question that it's unethical for parents to bring up their children as strict vegans Professor Lindsay Allen, director of the US Agricultural Research Service "If you're talking about feeding young children, pregnant women and lactating women, I would go as far as to say it is unethical to withhold these foods [animal source foods] during that period of life." She was especially critical of parents who imposed a vegan lifestyle on their children, which denied them milk, cheese, butter and meat. "There's absolutely no question that it's unethical for parents to bring up their children as strict vegans," she said at the American Association for the Advancement of Science meeting. Missing nutrients She said the damage to a child began while it was growing in the womb and continued once it had been born. Research she carried out among African schoolchildren suggests as little as two spoonfuls of meat each day is enough to provide nutrients such as vitamin B12, zinc and iron. The 544 children studied had been raised on diets chiefly consisting of starchy, low-nutrition corn and bean staples lacking these micronutrients. Over two years, some of the children were given 2oz supplements of meat each day, equivalent to about two spoonfuls of mince. Two other groups received either a cup of milk a day or an oil supplement containing the same amount of energy. The diet of a fourth group was left unaltered. The changes seen in the children given the meat, and to a lesser extent the milk or oil, were dramatic. These children grew more and performed better on problem-solving and intelligence tests than any of the other children at the end of the two years. They also became more active, talkative and playful at school. Adding either meat or milk to the diets also almost completely eliminated the very high rates of vitamin B12 deficiency previously seen in the children. No quick fixes Professor Allen stressed that although the study was conducted in a poor African community, its message was highly relevant to people in developed countries. She accepted that adults could avoid animal foods if they took the right supplements. But she said adding animal source food into the diet was a better way to tackle malnutrition worldwide than quick fixes with supplements in the form of pills. "Where feasible, it would be much better to do it through the diet than by giving pills," she said. "With pills it's very hard to be certain that the quantity of nutrition is right for everybody and it's hard to sustain." In Africa, good results had been obtained from giving people a dried meat on a stick snack which proved both nutritious and appealing. Professor Montague Demment, from the University of California at Davis, said more emphasis should be placed on animal source food to combat global malnutrition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2005 Report Share Posted February 21, 2005 At least the BBC allowed the UK vegan society to reply to this twaddle! The Valley Vegan....... Craig Dearth <cd39 wrote: Don't believe it.. but they said it http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4282257.stm but here it is right in the BBC UGH!!! Putting children on strict vegan diets is "unethical" and could harm their development, a US scientist has argued. Lindsay Allen, of the US Agricultural Research Service, attacked parents who insisted their children lived by the maxim "meat is murder". Animal source foods have some nutrients not found anywhere else, she told a Washington science conference. The Vegan Society dismissed the claims, saying its research showed vegans were often healthier than meat eaters. 'Development affected' Professor Allen said: "There have been sufficient studies clearly showing that when women avoid all animal foods, their babies are born small, they grow very slowly and they are developmentally retarded, possibly permanently." There's absolutely no question that it's unethical for parents to bring up their children as strict vegans Professor Lindsay Allen, director of the US Agricultural Research Service "If you're talking about feeding young children, pregnant women and lactating women, I would go as far as to say it is unethical to withhold these foods [animal source foods] during that period of life." She was especially critical of parents who imposed a vegan lifestyle on their children, which denied them milk, cheese, butter and meat. "There's absolutely no question that it's unethical for parents to bring up their children as strict vegans," she said at the American Association for the Advancement of Science meeting. Missing nutrients She said the damage to a child began while it was growing in the womb and continued once it had been born. Research she carried out among African schoolchildren suggests as little as two spoonfuls of meat each day is enough to provide nutrients such as vitamin B12, zinc and iron. The 544 children studied had been raised on diets chiefly consisting of starchy, low-nutrition corn and bean staples lacking these micronutrients. Over two years, some of the children were given 2oz supplements of meat each day, equivalent to about two spoonfuls of mince. Two other groups received either a cup of milk a day or an oil supplement containing the same amount of energy. The diet of a fourth group was left unaltered. The changes seen in the children given the meat, and to a lesser extent the milk or oil, were dramatic. These children grew more and performed better on problem-solving and intelligence tests than any of the other children at the end of the two years. They also became more active, talkative and playful at school. Adding either meat or milk to the diets also almost completely eliminated the very high rates of vitamin B12 deficiency previously seen in the children. No quick fixes Professor Allen stressed that although the study was conducted in a poor African community, its message was highly relevant to people in developed countries. She accepted that adults could avoid animal foods if they took the right supplements. But she said adding animal source food into the diet was a better way to tackle malnutrition worldwide than quick fixes with supplements in the form of pills. "Where feasible, it would be much better to do it through the diet than by giving pills," she said. "With pills it's very hard to be certain that the quantity of nutrition is right for everybody and it's hard to sustain." In Africa, good results had been obtained from giving people a dried meat on a stick snack which proved both nutritious and appealing. Professor Montague Demment, from the University of California at Davis, said more emphasis should be placed on animal source food to combat global malnutrition. To send an email to - > ATTACHMENT part 2 image/gif name=o.gif> ATTACHMENT part 3 image/gif name=start_quote_rb.gif> ATTACHMENT part 4 image/gif name=end_quote_rb.gifPeter H ALL-NEW Messenger - all new features - even more fun! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2005 Report Share Posted February 21, 2005 just read the article- what a bunch of propoganda. the fact that the experimental group was malnourished children in africa nullifies it all, in my opinion. i would also love to know which 'mental skills' tests were used. perhaps the term unethical should be reesrved for parents who take their children to mcdonald's 5 times a week not those trying to teach a lifestyle of harmlessness and health. shame on lindsay allen. , " Craig Dearth " <cd39@e...> wrote: > Don't believe it.. but they said it > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4282257.stm > > but here it is right in the BBC > UGH!!! > > > > Putting children on strict vegan diets is " unethical " and could harm their > development, a US scientist has argued. > Lindsay Allen, of the US Agricultural Research Service, attacked parents who > insisted their children lived by the maxim " meat is murder " . > > Animal source foods have some nutrients not found anywhere else, she told a > Washington science conference. > > The Vegan Society dismissed the claims, saying its research showed vegans > were often healthier than meat eaters. > > 'Development affected' > > Professor Allen said: " There have been sufficient studies clearly showing > that when women avoid all animal foods, their babies are born small, they > grow very slowly and they are developmentally retarded, possibly > permanently. " > > There's absolutely no question that it's unethical for parents to > bring up their children as strict vegans > > Professor Lindsay Allen, director of the US Agricultural Research > Service > > " If you're talking about feeding young children, pregnant women and > lactating women, I would go as far as to say it is unethical to withhold > these foods [animal source foods] during that period of life. " > > She was especially critical of parents who imposed a vegan lifestyle on > their children, which denied them milk, cheese, butter and meat. > > " There's absolutely no question that it's unethical for parents to bring up > their children as strict vegans, " she said at the American Association for > the Advancement of Science meeting. > > > Missing nutrients > > She said the damage to a child began while it was growing in the womb and > continued once it had been born. > > Research she carried out among African schoolchildren suggests as little as > two spoonfuls of meat each day is enough to provide nutrients such as > vitamin B12, zinc and iron. > > The 544 children studied had been raised on diets chiefly consisting of > starchy, low-nutrition corn and bean staples lacking these micronutrients. > > Over two years, some of the children were given 2oz supplements of meat each > day, equivalent to about two spoonfuls of mince. > > Two other groups received either a cup of milk a day or an oil supplement > containing the same amount of energy. The diet of a fourth group was left > unaltered. > > The changes seen in the children given the meat, and to a lesser extent the > milk or oil, were dramatic. > > These children grew more and performed better on problem-solving and > intelligence tests than any of the other children at the end of the two > years. > > They also became more active, talkative and playful at school. > > Adding either meat or milk to the diets also almost completely eliminated > the very high rates of vitamin B12 deficiency previously seen in the > children. > > No quick fixes > > Professor Allen stressed that although the study was conducted in a poor > African community, its message was highly relevant to people in developed > countries. > > She accepted that adults could avoid animal foods if they took the right > supplements. > > But she said adding animal source food into the diet was a better way to > tackle malnutrition worldwide than quick fixes with supplements in the form > of pills. > > " Where feasible, it would be much better to do it through the diet than by > giving pills, " she said. > > " With pills it's very hard to be certain that the quantity of nutrition is > right for everybody and it's hard to sustain. " > > In Africa, good results had been obtained from giving people a dried meat on > a stick snack which proved both nutritious and appealing. > > Professor Montague Demment, from the University of California at Davis, said > more emphasis should be placed on animal source food to combat global > malnutrition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2005 Report Share Posted February 21, 2005 HI Peter (VV) Did the Vegan Society get it's point across? I emailed them first thing this morning asking them to counter it - as I expect several thousand people did. Jo - peter hurd Monday, February 21, 2005 12:44 PM Re: Don't believe it.. but they said it At least the BBC allowed the UK vegan society to reply to this twaddle! The Valley Vegan....... Craig Dearth <cd39 wrote: Don't believe it.. but they said it http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4282257.stm but here it is right in the BBC UGH!!! Putting children on strict vegan diets is "unethical" and could harm their development, a US scientist has argued. Lindsay Allen, of the US Agricultural Research Service, attacked parents who insisted their children lived by the maxim "meat is murder". Animal source foods have some nutrients not found anywhere else, she told a Washington science conference. The Vegan Society dismissed the claims, saying its research showed vegans were often healthier than meat eaters. 'Development affected' Professor Allen said: "There have been sufficient studies clearly showing that when women avoid all animal foods, their babies are born small, they grow very slowly and they are developmentally retarded, possibly permanently." There's absolutely no question that it's unethical for parents to bring up their children as strict vegans Professor Lindsay Allen, director of the US Agricultural Research Service "If you're talking about feeding young children, pregnant women and lactating women, I would go as far as to say it is unethical to withhold these foods [animal source foods] during that period of life." She was especially critical of parents who imposed a vegan lifestyle on their children, which denied them milk, cheese, butter and meat. "There's absolutely no question that it's unethical for parents to bring up their children as strict vegans," she said at the American Association for the Advancement of Science meeting. Missing nutrients She said the damage to a child began while it was growing in the womb and continued once it had been born. Research she carried out among African schoolchildren suggests as little as two spoonfuls of meat each day is enough to provide nutrients such as vitamin B12, zinc and iron. The 544 children studied had been raised on diets chiefly consisting of starchy, low-nutrition corn and bean staples lacking these micronutrients. Over two years, some of the children were given 2oz supplements of meat each day, equivalent to about two spoonfuls of mince. Two other groups received either a cup of milk a day or an oil supplement containing the same amount of energy. The diet of a fourth group was left unaltered. The changes seen in the children given the meat, and to a lesser extent the milk or oil, were dramatic. These children grew more and performed better on problem-solving and intelligence tests than any of the other children at the end of the two years. They also became more active, talkative and playful at school. Adding either meat or milk to the diets also almost completely eliminated the very high rates of vitamin B12 deficiency previously seen in the children. No quick fixes Professor Allen stressed that although the study was conducted in a poor African community, its message was highly relevant to people in developed countries. She accepted that adults could avoid animal foods if they took the right supplements. But she said adding animal source food into the diet was a better way to tackle malnutrition worldwide than quick fixes with supplements in the form of pills. "Where feasible, it would be much better to do it through the diet than by giving pills," she said. "With pills it's very hard to be certain that the quantity of nutrition is right for everybody and it's hard to sustain." In Africa, good results had been obtained from giving people a dried meat on a stick snack which proved both nutritious and appealing. Professor Montague Demment, from the University of California at Davis, said more emphasis should be placed on animal source food to combat global malnutrition. To send an email to - > ATTACHMENT part 2 image/gif name=o.gif> ATTACHMENT part 3 image/gif name=start_quote_rb.gif> ATTACHMENT part 4 image/gif name=end_quote_rb.gif Peter H ALL-NEW Messenger - all new features - even more fun! To send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2005 Report Share Posted February 26, 2005 Yep there was a reply from them further down the article. The Valley Vegan.........Jo Cwazy <heartwork wrote: HI Peter (VV) Did the Vegan Society get it's point across? I emailed them first thing this morning asking them to counter it - as I expect several thousand people did. Jo - peter hurd Monday, February 21, 2005 12:44 PM Re: Don't believe it.. but they said it At least the BBC allowed the UK vegan society to reply to this twaddle! The Valley Vegan....... Craig Dearth <cd39 wrote: Don't believe it.. but they said it http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4282257.stm but here it is right in the BBC UGH!!! Putting children on strict vegan diets is "unethical" and could harm their development, a US scientist has argued. Lindsay Allen, of the US Agricultural Research Service, attacked parents who insisted their children lived by the maxim "meat is murder". Animal source foods have some nutrients not found anywhere else, she told a Washington science conference. The Vegan Society dismissed the claims, saying its research showed vegans were often healthier than meat eaters. 'Development affected' Professor Allen said: "There have been sufficient studies clearly showing that when women avoid all animal foods, their babies are born small, they grow very slowly and they are developmentally retarded, possibly permanently." There's absolutely no question that it's unethical for parents to bring up their children as strict vegans Professor Lindsay Allen, director of the US Agricultural Research Service "If you're talking about feeding young children, pregnant women and lactating women, I would go as far as to say it is unethical to withhold these foods [animal source foods] during that period of life." She was especially critical of parents who imposed a vegan lifestyle on their children, which denied them milk, cheese, butter and meat. "There's absolutely no question that it's unethical for parents to bring up their children as strict vegans," she said at the American Association for the Advancement of Science meeting. Missing nutrients She said the damage to a child began while it was growing in the womb and continued once it had been born. Research she carried out among African schoolchildren suggests as little as two spoonfuls of meat each day is enough to provide nutrients such as vitamin B12, zinc and iron. The 544 children studied had been raised on diets chiefly consisting of starchy, low-nutrition corn and bean staples lacking these micronutrients. Over two years, some of the children were given 2oz supplements of meat each day, equivalent to about two spoonfuls of mince. Two other groups received either a cup of milk a day or an oil supplement containing the same amount of energy. The diet of a fourth group was left unaltered. The changes seen in the children given the meat, and to a lesser extent the milk or oil, were dramatic. These children grew more and performed better on problem-solving and intelligence tests than any of the other children at the end of the two years. They also became more active, talkative and playful at school. Adding either meat or milk to the diets also almost completely eliminated the very high rates of vitamin B12 deficiency previously seen in the children. No quick fixes Professor Allen stressed that although the study was conducted in a poor African community, its message was highly relevant to people in developed countries. She accepted that adults could avoid animal foods if they took the right supplements. But she said adding animal source food into the diet was a better way to tackle malnutrition worldwide than quick fixes with supplements in the form of pills. "Where feasible, it would be much better to do it through the diet than by giving pills," she said. "With pills it's very hard to be certain that the quantity of nutrition is right for everybody and it's hard to sustain." In Africa, good results had been obtained from giving people a dried meat on a stick snack which proved both nutritious and appealing. Professor Montague Demment, from the University of California at Davis, said more emphasis should be placed on animal source food to combat global malnutrition. To send an email to - > ATTACHMENT part 2 image/gif name=o.gif> ATTACHMENT part 3 image/gif name=start_quote_rb.gif> ATTACHMENT part 4 image/gif name=end_quote_rb.gif Peter H ALL-NEW Messenger - all new features - even more fun! To send an email to - To send an email to - Peter H Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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