Guest guest Posted March 7, 2005 Report Share Posted March 7, 2005 *delurk* I went to donate blood for the first time today, and as a prerequisite for donation they do a haemoglobin test, to check that you're not going to die or anything. I was really curious as to whether they'd take my blood, because even though I do watch what I eat, there's been that niggling thought in the back of my head that meat is the best source of iron for the body (despite reading multiple times that this isn't true. I guess all those years of the healthy eating pyramid and the 5 food groups do sink in somewhere along the line). Anyway, the parameters for whole blood collection are haemoglobin between 120 and 165 g/L. Mine was 153. The nurse doing the test said that it's one of the best all day. Goes to show those mad carnivores who think that vegans are anaemic are wrong. Yay! Vegans kick butt! By the way, I don't take iron supplements either. Just B12. When I remember *Back to lurking* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2005 Report Share Posted March 7, 2005 Hi That is good news indeed - a good advert for veganism too. Why not stay delurked - we like new input :-) Jo Blood Donation Surprise! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2005 Report Share Posted March 7, 2005 Hi, I just had a blood test done too ,- I was tested for B12 , iron and folate,- I spoke to Doc over the phone and he said that my iron and folate levels were very good but B12 only 275 (still within the normal range but I want it to be over 400). Last time I was tested I was 450,-I'm not surprised its dropped as I haven't been taking my supplements and just relying on some fortified foods. I'll get the rest of the results this week, but I've never taken any iron supplements either and I've had two children (and lost quite a lot of blood on both occasions). I've been vegetarian for 22 years, 9years vegan. Its just a myth about meat-eating and iron,- you can get all the iron you need on a balanced vegan diet I will start taking my B12 supplements again and let you know my other blood results, Jo - Jo Cwazy Monday, March 07, 2005 6:43 PM Re: Blood Donation Surprise! HiThat is good news indeed - a good advert for veganism too.Why not stay delurked - we like new input :-)Jo Blood Donation Surprise!To send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2005 Report Share Posted March 12, 2005 Stop Lurking, Congrats on helping save lives, I have just given my 50th donation. In the 25 years since I have been donating I have been a vegan for at least 20, and never failed or told that I shouldnt donate, and I have NEVER taken suppliments apart from fortified soya products and cereals occaisionally. I cannot strongly enough advise people to donate ( in the UK ) blood, and also if you are going to do so , sign up as a bone marrow donor as well. The Valley Vegan.......surrealchickenpants <randomlyred wrote: *delurk*I went to donate blood for the first time today, and as a prerequisite for donation they do a haemoglobin test, to check that you're not going to die or anything. I was really curious as to whether they'd take my blood, because even though I do watch what I eat, there's been that niggling thought in the back of my head that meat is the best source of iron for the body (despite reading multiple times that this isn't true. I guess all those years of the healthy eating pyramid and the 5 food groups do sink in somewhere along the line). Anyway, the parameters for whole blood collection are haemoglobin between 120 and 165 g/L. Mine was 153. The nurse doing the test said that it's one of the best all day. Goes to show those mad carnivores who think that vegans are anaemic are wrong. Yay! Vegans kick butt!By the way, I don't take iron supplements either. Just B12. When I remember *Back to lurking* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2005 Report Share Posted March 12, 2005 Sorry Peter, but I don't think I would give blood because I rather see it as taking lives and not saving them. I know this sounds somewhat ridiculous but please hear me out. Considering that less than one per cent of Staters (Americans) are vegan, if one is to give blood to save a carcass-feasting living grave, then one would allow that person to continue to solicit torture and slaughter. Yet if one donates not, and the carcass feaster dies as a result, then one shall have prevented the senseless mutilation and slaughter of untold innocent non-human animals. And besides, our bodies work rather hard to produce the blood we need to keep us going; I wouldn't want to mess with such a vital part of it. Oz --- peter hurd <swpgh01 wrote: > Stop Lurking, > Congrats on helping save lives, I have just given my > 50th donation. In the 25 years since I have been > donating I have been a vegan for at least 20, and > never failed or told that I shouldnt donate, and I > have NEVER taken suppliments apart from fortified > soya products and cereals occaisionally. > I cannot strongly enough advise people to donate ( > in the UK ) blood, and also if you are going to do > so , sign up as a bone marrow donor as well. > > The Valley Vegan....... > > surrealchickenpants <randomlyred wrote: > > > > *delurk* > I went to donate blood for the first time today, and > as a > prerequisite for donation they do a haemoglobin > test, to check that > you're not going to die or anything. I was really > curious as to > whether they'd take my blood, because even though I > do watch what I > eat, there's been that niggling thought in the back > of my head that > meat is the best source of iron for the body > (despite reading > multiple times that this isn't true. I guess all > those years of the > healthy eating pyramid and the 5 food groups do sink > in somewhere > along the line). > Anyway, the parameters for whole blood collection > are haemoglobin > between 120 and 165 g/L. Mine was 153. The nurse > doing the test > said that it's one of the best all day. Goes to show > those mad > carnivores who think that vegans are anaemic are > wrong. Yay! Vegans > kick butt! > By the way, I don't take iron supplements either. > Just B12. When I > remember > *Back to lurking* > > > To send an email to > - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2005 Report Share Posted March 12, 2005 Oz, I happen to agree with you I am not a organ or blood donor nor do I want someone else's blood or organs in me. for pretty much the same reasons you listed. but also the animal testing factor much of transplant technology came by experimenting on animals blood well yuck let them die or keep theirs out of me, my wife and I talked once it would-be nice if there was a vegan blood bank or emergency program in order to save each other without using carnivore blood ...just a thought all the best Craig Blood Donation Surprise!Sorry Peter, but I don't think I would give bloodbecause I rather see it as taking lives and not savingthem. I know this sounds somewhat ridiculous butplease hear me out. Considering that less than one percent of Staters (Americans) are vegan, if one is togive blood to save a carcass-feasting living grave,then one would allow that person to continue tosolicit torture and slaughter. Yet if one donates not,and the carcass feaster dies as a result, then oneshall have prevented the senseless mutilation andslaughter of untold innocent non-human animals.And besides, our bodies work rather hard to producethe blood we need to keep us going; I wouldn't want tomess with such a vital part of it.Oz --- peter hurd <swpgh01 wrote:> Stop Lurking,> Congrats on helping save lives, I have just given my> 50th donation. In the 25 years since I have been> donating I have been a vegan for at least 20, and> never failed or told that I shouldnt donate, and I> have NEVER taken suppliments apart from fortified> soya products and cereals occaisionally.> I cannot strongly enough advise people to donate (> in the UK ) blood, and also if you are going to do> so , sign up as a bone marrow donor as well.> > The Valley Vegan.......> > surrealchickenpants <randomlyred wrote:> > > > *delurk*> I went to donate blood for the first time today, and> as a > prerequisite for donation they do a haemoglobin> test, to check that > you're not going to die or anything. I was really> curious as to > whether they'd take my blood, because even though I> do watch what I > eat, there's been that niggling thought in the back> of my head that > meat is the best source of iron for the body> (despite reading > multiple times that this isn't true. I guess all> those years of the > healthy eating pyramid and the 5 food groups do sink> in somewhere > along the line). > Anyway, the parameters for whole blood collection> are haemoglobin > between 120 and 165 g/L. Mine was 153. The nurse> doing the test > said that it's one of the best all day. Goes to show> those mad > carnivores who think that vegans are anaemic are> wrong. Yay! Vegans > kick butt!> By the way, I don't take iron supplements either.> Just B12. When I > remember > *Back to lurking*> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2005 Report Share Posted March 12, 2005 I can understand this point of view if you have nobody who depends on you either physically or emotionally, but not otherwise. Jo - " Oziel Padilla " <ozielp101 Saturday, March 12, 2005 6:42 PM Re: Blood Donation Surprise! > > > Sorry Peter, but I don't think I would give blood > because I rather see it as taking lives and not saving > them. I know this sounds somewhat ridiculous but > please hear me out. Considering that less than one per > cent of Staters (Americans) are vegan, if one is to > give blood to save a carcass-feasting living grave, > then one would allow that person to continue to > solicit torture and slaughter. Yet if one donates not, > and the carcass feaster dies as a result, then one > shall have prevented the senseless mutilation and > slaughter of untold innocent non-human animals. > > And besides, our bodies work rather hard to produce > the blood we need to keep us going; I wouldn't want to > mess with such a vital part of it. > > Oz > --- peter hurd <swpgh01 wrote: > > Stop Lurking, > > Congrats on helping save lives, I have just given my > > 50th donation. In the 25 years since I have been > > donating I have been a vegan for at least 20, and > > never failed or told that I shouldnt donate, and I > > have NEVER taken suppliments apart from fortified > > soya products and cereals occaisionally. > > I cannot strongly enough advise people to donate ( > > in the UK ) blood, and also if you are going to do > > so , sign up as a bone marrow donor as well. > > > > The Valley Vegan....... > > > > surrealchickenpants <randomlyred wrote: > > > > > > > > *delurk* > > I went to donate blood for the first time today, and > > as a > > prerequisite for donation they do a haemoglobin > > test, to check that > > you're not going to die or anything. I was really > > curious as to > > whether they'd take my blood, because even though I > > do watch what I > > eat, there's been that niggling thought in the back > > of my head that > > meat is the best source of iron for the body > > (despite reading > > multiple times that this isn't true. I guess all > > those years of the > > healthy eating pyramid and the 5 food groups do sink > > in somewhere > > along the line). > > Anyway, the parameters for whole blood collection > > are haemoglobin > > between 120 and 165 g/L. Mine was 153. The nurse > > doing the test > > said that it's one of the best all day. Goes to show > > those mad > > carnivores who think that vegans are anaemic are > > wrong. Yay! Vegans > > kick butt! > > By the way, I don't take iron supplements either. > > Just B12. When I > > remember > > *Back to lurking* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To send an email to > > - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2005 Report Share Posted March 12, 2005 Sorry - this answer was meant to be for Craig's email, which answered this one. I shall have to blame this on a busy mind as I've never had any weed, so can't blame it on that. Jo - " Jo Cwazy " <heartwork Saturday, March 12, 2005 9:11 PM Re: Blood Donation Surprise! > > I can understand this point of view if you have nobody who depends on you > either physically or emotionally, but not otherwise. > > Jo > > - > " Oziel Padilla " <ozielp101 > > Saturday, March 12, 2005 6:42 PM > Re: Blood Donation Surprise! > > > > > > > > Sorry Peter, but I don't think I would give blood > > because I rather see it as taking lives and not saving > > them. I know this sounds somewhat ridiculous but > > please hear me out. Considering that less than one per > > cent of Staters (Americans) are vegan, if one is to > > give blood to save a carcass-feasting living grave, > > then one would allow that person to continue to > > solicit torture and slaughter. Yet if one donates not, > > and the carcass feaster dies as a result, then one > > shall have prevented the senseless mutilation and > > slaughter of untold innocent non-human animals. > > > > And besides, our bodies work rather hard to produce > > the blood we need to keep us going; I wouldn't want to > > mess with such a vital part of it. > > > > Oz > > --- peter hurd <swpgh01 wrote: > > > Stop Lurking, > > > Congrats on helping save lives, I have just given my > > > 50th donation. In the 25 years since I have been > > > donating I have been a vegan for at least 20, and > > > never failed or told that I shouldnt donate, and I > > > have NEVER taken suppliments apart from fortified > > > soya products and cereals occaisionally. > > > I cannot strongly enough advise people to donate ( > > > in the UK ) blood, and also if you are going to do > > > so , sign up as a bone marrow donor as well. > > > > > > The Valley Vegan....... > > > > > > surrealchickenpants <randomlyred wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > *delurk* > > > I went to donate blood for the first time today, and > > > as a > > > prerequisite for donation they do a haemoglobin > > > test, to check that > > > you're not going to die or anything. I was really > > > curious as to > > > whether they'd take my blood, because even though I > > > do watch what I > > > eat, there's been that niggling thought in the back > > > of my head that > > > meat is the best source of iron for the body > > > (despite reading > > > multiple times that this isn't true. I guess all > > > those years of the > > > healthy eating pyramid and the 5 food groups do sink > > > in somewhere > > > along the line). > > > Anyway, the parameters for whole blood collection > > > are haemoglobin > > > between 120 and 165 g/L. Mine was 153. The nurse > > > doing the test > > > said that it's one of the best all day. Goes to show > > > those mad > > > carnivores who think that vegans are anaemic are > > > wrong. Yay! Vegans > > > kick butt! > > > By the way, I don't take iron supplements either. > > > Just B12. When I > > > remember > > > *Back to lurking* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To send an email to > > > - > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2005 Report Share Posted March 12, 2005 Hi Oziel > Sorry Peter, but I don't think I would give blood > because I rather see it as taking lives and not saving > them. I know this sounds somewhat ridiculous but > please hear me out. Considering that less than one per > cent of Staters (Americans) are vegan, if one is to > give blood to save a carcass-feasting living grave, > then one would allow that person to continue to > solicit torture and slaughter. Yet if one donates not, > and the carcass feaster dies as a result, then one > shall have prevented the senseless mutilation and > slaughter of untold innocent non-human animals. This brings up a very interesting ethical conundrum.... because you could take that one step further and argue that by failing to give blood, a person that might have lived, and might have saved millions of lives, did not survive... and therefore millions of lives could be lost as a result of not giving blood. It sort of reminds me (in a roundabout sort of way) of an old episode of Shelley, where the landlord reveals that he hates Italians because through some bizarre series of events which I can't quite remember now, he argued that Julius Caesar was responsible for the English team losing a particular football match. The point being made by the programme was that he really had an irrational hatred of Italians, and had come up with a " logical " reason as to why! Personally, I don't give blood (largely because the opportunity hasn't presented itself, and I haven't made the effort to seek out how to go about it). As a result, I don't make any criticism of others who also don't give blood, but my personal reasoning is far simpler - I do plenty of other things to help humans and animals, and haven't considered giving blood to be high enough on my list of priorities to find out about. However, I suspect if one of my friends or relatives needed a blood transfusion to save their lives, I would be very pleased that other people had made that effort! BB Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2005 Report Share Posted March 13, 2005 Hi Craig > the animal testing factor > much of transplant technology came by experimenting on animals While I agree that the testing on animals is a horrific thing, and should be stopped ASAP, the fact that this has happened in the past can't be changed, and it seems a shame to ignore a technology because of the way it was originated... after all, when you consider that modern computers were developed out of the IBM programmes which ran Auschwitz, surely anyone who objected to using any technology that had unethical origins would have to immediately give up computers! BB Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2005 Report Share Posted March 13, 2005 Do you buy clothes? Live in a house made of steel or wood? Use a computer? Drive a car? Eat anything but strickly organic? Work in a company whose profits go to non-vegans? And what about a child you might have saved that might have grown up to become a vegan but won't get that chance? Or a ova/lacto vegetarian that might have converted to vegan? Why draw the line at giving blood? Lynda - Oziel Padilla Saturday, March 12, 2005 10:42 AM Re: Blood Donation Surprise! Sorry Peter, but I don't think I would give bloodbecause I rather see it as taking lives and not savingthem. I know this sounds somewhat ridiculous butplease hear me out. Considering that less than one percent of Staters (Americans) are vegan, if one is togive blood to save a carcass-feasting living grave,then one would allow that person to continue tosolicit torture and slaughter. Yet if one donates not,and the carcass feaster dies as a result, then oneshall have prevented the senseless mutilation andslaughter of untold innocent non-human animals.And besides, our bodies work rather hard to producethe blood we need to keep us going; I wouldn't want tomess with such a vital part of it.Oz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2005 Report Share Posted March 15, 2005 Oz/Craig; Well, you can give blood to be used for your own surgery or a specific other person's. Of course, this doesn't address emergency needs. I always gave blood until I started getting tattoos. You can't give for 6 months after that, and so I haven't given in years. You guys have brought up some interesting points. I never really thought about this before. I guess I want to believe people can change and deserve a 2nd chance and all. Not sure I really believe that most of the time, tho... sara , " Craig Dearth " <cd39@e...> wrote: > Oz, > I happen to agree with you > I am not a organ or blood donor nor do I want someone else's blood or organs > in me. > for pretty much the same reasons you listed. but also the animal testing > factor > much of transplant technology came by experimenting on animals > blood well yuck let them die or keep theirs out of me, > > my wife and I talked once it would-be nice if there was a vegan blood bank > or emergency program > in order to save each other without using carnivore blood ...just a thought > > > all the best > Craig > > Blood Donation Surprise! > > Sorry Peter, but I don't think I would give blood > because I rather see it as taking lives and not saving > them. I know this sounds somewhat ridiculous but > please hear me out. Considering that less than one per > cent of Staters (Americans) are vegan, if one is to > give blood to save a carcass-feasting living grave, > then one would allow that person to continue to > solicit torture and slaughter. Yet if one donates not, > and the carcass feaster dies as a result, then one > shall have prevented the senseless mutilation and > slaughter of untold innocent non-human animals. > > And besides, our bodies work rather hard to produce > the blood we need to keep us going; I wouldn't want to > mess with such a vital part of it. > > Oz > --- peter hurd <swpgh01@t...> wrote: > > Stop Lurking, > > Congrats on helping save lives, I have just given my > > 50th donation. In the 25 years since I have been > > donating I have been a vegan for at least 20, and > > never failed or told that I shouldnt donate, and I > > have NEVER taken suppliments apart from fortified > > soya products and cereals occaisionally. > > I cannot strongly enough advise people to donate ( > > in the UK ) blood, and also if you are going to do > > so , sign up as a bone marrow donor as well. > > > > The Valley Vegan....... > > > > surrealchickenpants <randomlyred@h...> wrote: > > > > > > > > *delurk* > > I went to donate blood for the first time today, and > > as a > > prerequisite for donation they do a haemoglobin > > test, to check that > > you're not going to die or anything. I was really > > curious as to > > whether they'd take my blood, because even though I > > do watch what I > > eat, there's been that niggling thought in the back > > of my head that > > meat is the best source of iron for the body > > (despite reading > > multiple times that this isn't true. I guess all > > those years of the > > healthy eating pyramid and the 5 food groups do sink > > in somewhere > > along the line). > > Anyway, the parameters for whole blood collection > > are haemoglobin > > between 120 and 165 g/L. Mine was 153. The nurse > > doing the test > > said that it's one of the best all day. Goes to show > > those mad > > carnivores who think that vegans are anaemic are > > wrong. Yay! Vegans > > kick butt! > > By the way, I don't take iron supplements either. > > Just B12. When I > > remember > > *Back to lurking* > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2005 Report Share Posted March 15, 2005 Yeah, just what I was thinking. I believe we do an even bigger disservice to the animals who died if we refuse to use what was learned. That said, animal experimentation (ie torture) needs to stop immediately. , " Peter " <metalscarab@c...> wrote: > Hi Craig > > > the animal testing factor > > much of transplant technology came by experimenting on animals > > While I agree that the testing on animals is a horrific thing, and should be stopped ASAP, the fact that this has happened in the past can't be changed, and it seems a shame to ignore a technology because of the way it was originated... after all, when you consider that modern computers were developed out of the IBM programmes which ran Auschwitz, surely anyone who objected to using any technology that had unethical origins would have to immediately give up computers! > > BB > Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2005 Report Share Posted March 15, 2005 or maybe we encourage the researchers to do additional research and further animal testing sara [gagrip5]Tuesday, March 15, 2005 11:59 PM Subject: Re: Blood Donation Surprise!Yeah, just what I was thinking. I believe we do an even bigger disservice to the animals who died if we refuse to use what was learned. That said, animal experimentation (ie torture) needs to stop immediately. , "Peter" <metalscarab@c...> wrote:> Hi Craig> > > the animal testing factor> > much of transplant technology came by experimenting on animals> > While I agree that the testing on animals is a horrific thing, and should be stopped ASAP, the fact that this has happened in the past can't be changed, and it seems a shame to ignore a technology because of the way it was originated... after all, when you consider that modern computers were developed out of the IBM programmes which ran Auschwitz, surely anyone who objected to using any technology that had unethical origins would have to immediately give up computers!> > BB> Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2005 Report Share Posted March 15, 2005 Hiya Craig, It would be nice if there was a vegan blood bank, but life aint that good!, and I feel that donating my carnie free blood/bone marrow, is giving someone the chance to live....no questions asked. That is enough reward. I`m sure that there are many vegan parents who look at their kids and think the same way as me. P.S. Send some Ozzy sunshine over here will you , its brass monkey weather! The Valley Vegan...... Craig Dearth <cd39 wrote: Oz, I happen to agree with you I am not a organ or blood donor nor do I want someone else's blood or organs in me. for pretty much the same reasons you listed. but also the animal testing factor much of transplant technology came by experimenting on animals blood well yuck let them die or keep theirs out of me, my wife and I talked once it would-be nice if there was a vegan blood bank or emergency program in order to save each other without using carnivore blood ...just a thought all the best Craig Blood Donation Surprise!Sorry Peter, but I don't think I would give bloodbecause I rather see it as taking lives and not savingthem. I know this sounds somewhat ridiculous butplease hear me out. Considering that less than one percent of Staters (Americans) are vegan, if one is togive blood to save a carcass-feasting living grave,then one would allow that person to continue tosolicit torture and slaughter. Yet if one donates not,and the carcass feaster dies as a result, then oneshall have prevented the senseless mutilation andslaughter of untold innocent non-human animals.And besides, our bodies work rather hard to producethe blood we need to keep us going; I wouldn't want tomess with such a vital part of it.Oz --- peter hurd <swpgh01 wrote:> Stop Lurking,> Congrats on helping save lives, I have just given my> 50th donation. In the 25 years since I have been> donating I have been a vegan for at least 20, and> never failed or told that I shouldnt donate, and I> have NEVER taken suppliments apart from fortified> soya products and cereals occaisionally.> I cannot strongly enough advise people to donate (> in the UK ) blood, and also if you are going to do> so , sign up as a bone marrow donor as well.> > The Valley Vegan.......> > surrealchickenpants <randomlyred wrote:> > > > *delurk*> I went to donate blood for the first time today, and> as a > prerequisite for donation they do a haemoglobin> test, to check that > you're not going to die or anything. I was really> curious as to > whether they'd take my blood, because even though I> do watch what I > eat, there's been that niggling thought in the back> of my head that > meat is the best source of iron for the body> (despite reading > multiple times that this isn't true. I guess all> those years of the > healthy eating pyramid and the 5 food groups do sink> in somewhere > along the line). > Anyway, the parameters for whole blood collection> are haemoglobin > between 120 and 165 g/L. Mine was 153. The nurse> doing the test > said that it's one of the best all day. Goes to show> those mad > carnivores who think that vegans are anaemic are> wrong. Yay! Vegans > kick butt!> By the way, I don't take iron supplements either.> Just B12. When I > remember > *Back to lurking*> To send an email to - Peter H Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2005 Report Share Posted March 15, 2005 Hi Oz, We are all entitled to our points of view, its just a life is a life to me, I will not judge others, just offer to help or influence them if I can. Taking this to extremes, if my kids needed an animal part to keep them alive, then I would feel extremely sad that there was no alternative, but I wouldnt let them die. Conscience is a funny thing........... The Valley Vegan.......Oziel Padilla <ozielp101 wrote: Sorry Peter, but I don't think I would give bloodbecause I rather see it as taking lives and not savingthem. I know this sounds somewhat ridiculous butplease hear me out. Considering that less than one percent of Staters (Americans) are vegan, if one is togive blood to save a carcass-feasting living grave,then one would allow that person to continue tosolicit torture and slaughter. Yet if one donates not,and the carcass feaster dies as a result, then oneshall have prevented the senseless mutilation andslaughter of untold innocent non-human animals.And besides, our bodies work rather hard to producethe blood we need to keep us going; I wouldn't want tomess with such a vital part of it.Oz --- peter hurd wrote:> Stop Lurking,> Congrats on helping save lives, I have just given my> 50th donation. In the 25 years since I have been> donating I have been a vegan for at least 20, and> never failed or told that I shouldnt donate, and I> have NEVER taken suppliments apart from fortified> soya products and cereals occaisionally.> I cannot strongly enough advise people to donate (> in the UK ) blood, and also if you are going to do> so , sign up as a bone marrow donor as well.> > The Valley Vegan.......> > surrealchickenpants wrote:> > > > *delurk*> I went to donate blood for the first time today, and> as a > prerequisite for donation they do a haemoglobin> test, to check that > you're not going to die or anything. I was really> curious as to > whether they'd take my blood, because even though I> do watch what I > eat, there's been that niggling thought in the back> of my head that > meat is the best source of iron for the body> (despite reading > multiple times that this isn't true. I guess all> those years of the > healthy eating pyramid and the 5 food groups do sink> in somewhere > along the line). > Anyway, the parameters for whole blood collection> are haemoglobin > between 120 and 165 g/L. Mine was 153. The nurse> doing the test > said that it's one of the best all day. Goes to show> those mad > carnivores who think that vegans are anaemic are> wrong. Yay! Vegans > kick butt!> By the way, I don't take iron supplements either.> Just B12. When I > remember > *Back to lurking*> > > > > > > > > > To send an email to> - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2005 Report Share Posted March 15, 2005 Hi Craig > or maybe we encourage the researchers to do additional research and further animal testing Well, I haven't heard of much experimentation on Jews or homosexuals recently, and we use far more technology that has been successfully developed by those experiments than has come from animal experimentation, so I'd have to conclude that your argument doesn't really stand up. (After all, you're using a computer!!!!) BB Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2005 Report Share Posted March 15, 2005 I can't help but agree with your sentiment Peter (VV). I don't give blood as I bleed quite a lot and end up with an enormous solid bruise. I avoid needles etc. unless absolutely necessary. BBJo - peter hurd Tuesday, March 15, 2005 5:35 PM RE: Blood Donation Surprise! Hiya Craig, It would be nice if there was a vegan blood bank, but life aint that good!, and I feel that donating my carnie free blood/bone marrow, is giving someone the chance to live....no questions asked. That is enough reward. I`m sure that there are many vegan parents who look at their kids and think the same way as me. P.S. Send some Ozzy sunshine over here will you , its brass monkey weather! The Valley Vegan...... Craig Dearth <cd39 wrote: Oz, I happen to agree with you I am not a organ or blood donor nor do I want someone else's blood or organs in me. for pretty much the same reasons you listed. but also the animal testing factor much of transplant technology came by experimenting on animals blood well yuck let them die or keep theirs out of me, my wife and I talked once it would-be nice if there was a vegan blood bank or emergency program in order to save each other without using carnivore blood ...just a thought all the best Craig Blood Donation Surprise!Sorry Peter, but I don't think I would give bloodbecause I rather see it as taking lives and not savingthem. I know this sounds somewhat ridiculous butplease hear me out. Considering that less than one percent of Staters (Americans) are vegan, if one is togive blood to save a carcass-feasting living grave,then one would allow that person to continue tosolicit torture and slaughter. Yet if one donates not,and the carcass feaster dies as a result, then oneshall have prevented the senseless mutilation andslaughter of untold innocent non-human animals.And besides, our bodies work rather hard to producethe blood we need to keep us going; I wouldn't want tomess with such a vital part of it.Oz --- peter hurd <swpgh01 wrote:> Stop Lurking,> Congrat s on helping save lives, I have just given my> 50th donation. In the 25 years since I have been> donating I have been a vegan for at least 20, and> never failed or told that I shouldnt donate, and I> have NEVER taken suppliments apart from fortified> soya products and cereals occaisionally.> I cannot strongly enough advise people to donate (> in the UK ) blood, and also if you are going to do> so , sign up as a bone marrow donor as well.> > The Valley Vegan.......> > surrealchickenpants <randomlyred wrote:> > > > *delurk*> I went to donate blood for the first time today, and> as a > prerequisite for donation they do a haemoglobin> test, to check that > you're not going to die or anything. I was really> curious as to > whether they'd take my blood, because even though I> do watch what I > eat, there's been that niggling thought in the back> of my head that > meat is the best source of iron for the body> (despite reading > multiple times that this isn't true. I guess all> those years of the > healthy eating pyramid and the 5 food groups do sink> in somewhere > along the line). > Anyway, the parameters for whole blood collection> are haemoglobin > between 120 and 165 g/L. Mine was 153. The nurse> doing the test > said that it's one of the best all day. Goes to show> those mad > carnivores who think that vegans are anaemic are> wrong. Yay! Vegans > kick butt!> By the way, I don't take iron supplements either.> Just B12. When I > remember > *Back to lurking*> To send an email to - Peter H Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger. To send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2005 Report Share Posted March 15, 2005 Hi Peter (VV) Conscience is a funny thing, and so is love :-) BBJo Taking this to extremes, if my kids needed an animal part to keep them alive, then I would feel extremely sad that there was no alternative, but I wouldnt let them die. Conscience is a funny thing........... The Valley Vegan....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2005 Report Share Posted March 15, 2005 This is true! Just about all of our medical knowledge has come from barbaric methods. BBJo - Peter Tuesday, March 15, 2005 6:13 PM Re: Re: Blood Donation Surprise! Hi Craig > or maybe we encourage the researchers to do additional research and further animal testing Well, I haven't heard of much experimentation on Jews or homosexuals recently, and we use far more technology that has been successfully developed by those experiments than has come from animal experimentation, so I'd have to conclude that your argument doesn't really stand up. (After all, you're using a computer!!!!) BB PeterTo send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2005 Report Share Posted March 15, 2005 Hi Peter, Stephen Walsh from the Vegan Society reccomends a Vit B12 supplement. Do you think you're getting enough B12 from fortified foods as he says our optimal B12 levels should be 400 or more? Jo (Kimberley) >--- peter hurd wrote: >> Stop Lurking, >> Congrats on helping save lives, I have just given my >> 50th donation. In the 25 years since I have been >> donating I have been a vegan for at least 20, and >> never failed or told that I shouldnt donate, and I >> have NEVER taken suppliments apart from fortified >> soya products and cereals occaisionally. >> I cannot strongly enough advise people to donate ( >> in the UK ) blood, and also if you are going to do >> so , sign up as a bone marrow donor as well. >> >> The Valley Vegan....... >> >> surrealchickenpants wrote: >> >> >> >> *delurk* >> I went to donate blood for the first time today, and >> as a >> prerequisite for donation they do a haemoglobin >> test, to check that >> you're not going to die or anything. I was really >> curious as to >> whether they'd take my blood, because even though I >> do watch what I >> eat, there's been that niggling thought in the back >> of my head that >> meat is the best source of iron for the body >> (despite reading >> multiple times that this isn't true. I guess all >> those years of the >> healthy eating pyramid and the 5 food groups do sink >> in somewhere >> along the line). >> Anyway, the parameters for whole blood collection >> are haemoglobin >> between 120 and 165 g/L. Mine was 153. The nurse >> doing the test >> said that it's one of the best all day. Goes to show >> those mad >> carnivores who think that vegans are anaemic are >> wrong. Yay! Vegans >> kick butt! >> By the way, I don't take iron supplements either. >> Just B12. When I >> remember >> *Back to lurking* >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> To send an email to >> - >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2005 Report Share Posted March 15, 2005 yeah..i'm one of those evil vegans as well never taken a suppliment...except fer wots in some juices, er whichever had my blood checked on new years day..and the nurse refused to believe i was vegan Kimberley1 Mar 15, 2005 11:34 AM Re: Blood Donation Surprise! Hi Peter,Stephen Walsh from the Vegan Society reccomends a Vit B12 supplement. Doyou think you're getting enough B12 from fortified foods as he says our optimal B12levels should be 400or more?Jo (Kimberley)>--- peter hurd wrote:>> Stop Lurking,>> Congrats on helping save lives, I have just given my>> 50th donation. In the 25 years since I have been>> donating I have been a vegan for at least 20, and>> never failed or told that I shouldnt donate, and I>> have NEVER taken suppliments apart from fortified>> soya products and cereals occaisionally.>> I cannot strongly enough advise people to donate (>> in the UK ) blood, and also if you are going to do>> so , sign up as a bone marrow donor as well.>> >> The Valley Vegan.......>> >> Kick over the wall 'cause government's to fall How can you refuse it? Let fury have the hour, anger can be power D'you know that you can use it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2005 Report Share Posted March 15, 2005 wow- thats amazing! I do believe some of us don't need extra supplements as some vegans seem o.k and have never taken supplements, but then some aren't and I've heard of some vegans who have had quite serious B12 deficiency. I take one as insurance as I'm also feeding my child, Jo > > ><DIV>yeah..i'm one of those evil vegans as well</DIV> ><DIV>never taken a suppliment...except fer wots in some juices, er whichever</DIV> ><DIV>had my blood checked on new years day..and the nurse refused to believe >i was vegan</DIV> ><DIV><BR><BR><BR> <BR> Kimberley1 <BR>Sent: >Mar 15, 2005 11:34 AM <BR> <BR>Re: >Blood Donation Surprise! <BR><BR><ZZZHTML><ZZZBODY><TT>Hi Peter,<BR><BR>Stephen Walsh from the Vegan Society >reccomends a Vit B12 supplement. Do<BR>you think <BR>you're getting enough B12 >from fortified foods as he says our optimal B12<BR>levels should be 400<BR>or more?<BR><BR>Jo >(Kimberley)<BR><BR><BR><BR>>--- peter hurd wrote:<BR>>> Stop Lurking,<BR>>> >Congrats on helping save lives, I have just given my<BR>>> 50th donation. >In the 25 years since I have been<BR>>> donating I have been a vegan for >at least 20, and<BR>>> never failed or told that I shouldnt donate, and >I<BR>>> have NEVER taken suppliments apart from fortified<BR>>> soya >products and cereals occaisionally.<BR>>> I cannot strongly enough advise >people to donate (<BR>>> in the UK ) blood >, and also if you are going to do<BR>>> so , sign up as a bone marrow >donor as well.<BR>>> <BR>>> The Valley Vegan.......<BR>>> <BR>>></TT></ZZZBODY></ZZZHTML></DIV> ><br><br> ><tt> >To send an email to - </tt> ><br><br> > ><br> > ><!-- |**|begin egp html banner|**| --> > ><table border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2> ><tr bgcolor=#FFFFCC> ><td align=center><font size= " -1 " color=#003399><b> Sponsor</b></font></td> ></tr> ><tr bgcolor=#FFFFFF> ><td align=center width=470><table border=0 cellpadding=0 cellspacing=0> <tr> <td align=center><font face=arial size=-2></font><br><a href= " http://us.ard./SIG=129em0q89/M=298184.6018725.7038619.3001176/D=g\ roups/S=1705129295:HM/EXP=1111002226/A=2593423/R=0/SIG=11el9gslf/*http://www.net\ flix.com/Default?mqso=60190075 " alt= " " ><img src= " http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/ne/netflix/22305_0205_016_b_300250_a.gi\ f " alt= " click here " width= " 300 " height= " 250 " border= " 0 " ></a></td></tr></table> </td> ></tr> ><tr><td><img alt= " " width=1 height=1 src= " http://us.adserver./l?M=298184.6018725.7038619.3001176/D=groups/S=\ :HM/A=2593423/rand=640965435 " ></td></tr> ></table> > ><!-- |**|end egp html banner|**| --> > > > ><!-- |**|begin egp html banner|**| --> > ><br> ><tt><hr width= " 500 " > ><b> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2005 Report Share Posted March 15, 2005 sure and i'm sure there are a few non-vegans who probably could use a suppliment as well... Kimberley1 Mar 15, 2005 11:50 AM Re: Blood Donation Surprise! wow- thats amazing! I do believe some of us don't need extra supplementsas some vegans seem o.k and have never taken supplements, but then some aren't and I've heard ofsome vegans who have had quite serious B12 deficiency.I take one as insurance as I'm also feeding my child,Jo Kick over the wall 'cause government's to fall How can you refuse it? Let fury have the hour, anger can be power D'you know that you can use it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2005 Report Share Posted March 19, 2005 Hi Jo ( Kimberly ) Don`t know, now starting to get paranoid about B12!, may give doctors a call to see if they can / will do a blood test. Feel kinda guilty taking up their time though, as there are sick people out there waiting attention. Will wait till a few weeks after flu gone before call...... The Valley Vegan.......Kimberley1 wrote: Hi Peter,Stephen Walsh from the Vegan Society reccomends a Vit B12 supplement. Doyou think you're getting enough B12 from fortified foods as he says our optimal B12levels should be 400or more?Jo (Kimberley)>--- peter hurd wrote:>> Stop Lurking,>> Congrats on helping save lives, I have just given my>> 50th donation. In the 25 years since I have been>> donating I have been a vegan for at least 20, and>> never failed or told that I shouldnt donate, and I>> have NEVER taken suppliments apart from fortified>> soya products and cereals occaisionally.>> I cannot strongly enough advise people to donate (>> in the UK ) blood, and also if you are going to do>> so , sign up as a bone marrow donor as well.>> >> The Valley Vegan.......>> >> surrealchickenpants wrote:>> >> >> >> *delurk*>> I went to donate blood for the first time today, and>> as a >> prerequisite for donation they do a haemoglobin>> test, to check that >> you're not going to die or anything. I was really>> curious as to >> whether they'd take my blood, because even though I>> do watch what I >> eat, there's been that niggling thought in the back>> of my head that >> meat is the best source of iron for the body>> (despite reading >> multiple times that this isn't true. I guess all>> those years of the >> healthy eating pyramid and the 5 food groups do sink>> in somewhere >> along the line). >> Anyway, the parameters for whole blood collection>> are haemoglobin >> between 120 and 165 g/L. Mine was 153. The nurse>> doing the test >> said that it's one of the best all day. Goes to show>> those mad >> carnivores who think that vegans are anaemic are>> wrong. Yay! Vegans >> kick butt!>> By the way, I don't take iron supplements either.>> Just B12. When I >> remember >> *Back to lurking*>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> To send an email to>> - >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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