Guest guest Posted March 19, 2005 Report Share Posted March 19, 2005 I know quite a few vegans that were on a B12 study and discovered that their B12 levels were low. Have you got Stephen Walsh's book , " Plant Based nutrition " , he talks about this subject. My partner who is a raw foodist had low B12 levels but he had no adverse symptons. But I know of a long-term vegan ,15 years plus that had bad problems as apparently he only relied on " marmite " as his B12 source. He got very bad deficiency and disullussioned with the vegan diet and has given up on his vegan diet after so long! If you're eating lots of fortified foods its probably not a problem but I think its worth getting checked out as b12 deficiency can lead to problems, Meat-eaters and vegetarians get b12 defeciency but the problem is more so in vegans, Jo >-- Original Message -- > >peter hurd <swpgh01 >Sat, 19 Mar 2005 11:19:04 +0000 (GMT) >Re: Blood Donation Surprise! > > > >Hi Jo ( Kimberly ) >Don`t know, now starting to get paranoid about B12!, may give doctors a call >to see if they can / will do a blood test. Feel kinda guilty taking up their >time though, as there are sick people out there waiting attention. >Will wait till a few weeks after flu gone before call...... > >The Valley Vegan....... > >Kimberley1 wrote: > >Hi Peter, > >Stephen Walsh from the Vegan Society reccomends a Vit B12 supplement. Do >you think >you're getting enough B12 from fortified foods as he says our optimal B12 >levels should be 400 >or more? > >Jo (Kimberley) > > > >>--- peter hurd wrote: >>> Stop Lurking, >>> Congrats on helping save lives, I have just given my >>> 50th donation. In the 25 years since I have been >>> donating I have been a vegan for at least 20, and >>> never failed or told that I shouldnt donate, and I >>> have NEVER taken suppliments apart from fortified >>> soya products and cereals occaisionally. >>> I cannot strongly enough advise people to donate ( >>> in the UK ) blood, and also if you are going to do >>> so , sign up as a bone marrow donor as well. >>> >>> The Valley Vegan....... >>> >>> surrealchickenpants wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> *delurk* >>> I went to donate blood for the first time today, and >>> as a >>> prerequisite for donation they do a haemoglobin >>> test, to check that >>> you're not going to die or anything. I was really >>> curious as to >>> whether they'd take my blood, because even though I >>> do watch what I >>> eat, there's been that niggling thought in the back >>> of my head that >>> meat is the best source of iron for the body >>> (despite reading >>> multiple times that this isn't true. I guess all >>> those years of the >>> healthy eating pyramid and the 5 food groups do sink >>> in somewhere >>> along the line). >>> Anyway, the parameters for whole blood collection >>> are haemoglobin >>> between 120 and 165 g/L. Mine was 153. The nurse >>> doing the test >>> said that it's one of the best all day. Goes to show >>> those mad >>> carnivores who think that vegans are anaemic are >>> wrong. Yay! Vegans >>> kick butt! >>> By the way, I don't take iron supplements either. >>> Just B12. When I >>> remember >>> *Back to lurking* >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> To send an email to >>> - >>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2005 Report Share Posted March 20, 2005 Hi Jo I always think it's a good idea to take some supplements as an insurance. I have done for many years, also when I was a meat-eater. Better safe than sorry. Jo - <Kimberley1 Saturday, March 19, 2005 3:26 PM Re: Blood Donation Surprise! > > I know quite a few vegans that were on a B12 study and discovered that their > B12 levels were low. Have you got Stephen Walsh's book , " Plant Based nutrition " > , he talks about this subject. > My partner who is a raw foodist had low B12 levels but he had no adverse > symptons. But I know of a long-term vegan ,15 years plus that had bad problems > as apparently he only relied on " marmite " as his B12 source. He got very > bad deficiency and disullussioned with the vegan diet and has given up on > his vegan diet after so long! > If you're eating lots of fortified foods its probably not a problem but I > think its worth getting checked out as b12 deficiency can lead to problems, > Meat-eaters and vegetarians get b12 defeciency but the problem is more so > in vegans, > > Jo > > > > >-- Original Message -- > > > >peter hurd <swpgh01 > >Sat, 19 Mar 2005 11:19:04 +0000 (GMT) > >Re: Blood Donation Surprise! > > > > > > > >Hi Jo ( Kimberly ) > >Don`t know, now starting to get paranoid about B12!, may give doctors a > call > >to see if they can / will do a blood test. Feel kinda guilty taking up their > >time though, as there are sick people out there waiting attention. > >Will wait till a few weeks after flu gone before call...... > > > >The Valley Vegan....... > > > >Kimberley1 wrote: > > > >Hi Peter, > > > >Stephen Walsh from the Vegan Society reccomends a Vit B12 supplement. Do > >you think > >you're getting enough B12 from fortified foods as he says our optimal B12 > >levels should be 400 > >or more? > > > >Jo (Kimberley) > > > > > > > >>--- peter hurd wrote: > >>> Stop Lurking, > >>> Congrats on helping save lives, I have just given my > >>> 50th donation. In the 25 years since I have been > >>> donating I have been a vegan for at least 20, and > >>> never failed or told that I shouldnt donate, and I > >>> have NEVER taken suppliments apart from fortified > >>> soya products and cereals occaisionally. > >>> I cannot strongly enough advise people to donate ( > >>> in the UK ) blood, and also if you are going to do > >>> so , sign up as a bone marrow donor as well. > >>> > >>> The Valley Vegan....... > >>> > >>> surrealchickenpants wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> *delurk* > >>> I went to donate blood for the first time today, and > >>> as a > >>> prerequisite for donation they do a haemoglobin > >>> test, to check that > >>> you're not going to die or anything. I was really > >>> curious as to > >>> whether they'd take my blood, because even though I > >>> do watch what I > >>> eat, there's been that niggling thought in the back > >>> of my head that > >>> meat is the best source of iron for the body > >>> (despite reading > >>> multiple times that this isn't true. I guess all > >>> those years of the > >>> healthy eating pyramid and the 5 food groups do sink > >>> in somewhere > >>> along the line). > >>> Anyway, the parameters for whole blood collection > >>> are haemoglobin > >>> between 120 and 165 g/L. Mine was 153. The nurse > >>> doing the test > >>> said that it's one of the best all day. Goes to show > >>> those mad > >>> carnivores who think that vegans are anaemic are > >>> wrong. Yay! Vegans > >>> kick butt! > >>> By the way, I don't take iron supplements either. > >>> Just B12. When I > >>> remember > >>> *Back to lurking* > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> To send an email to > >>> - > >>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2005 Report Share Posted March 27, 2005 Well, this is somewhat worrisome. I have wanted to get a tattoo for quite a while but what you said about waiting for 6 months to give blood is a little scary. Can I get a disease from a tatoo? What should I look out for? CK Gadarian ---- sara <gagrip5 wrote: > > > Oz/Craig; > Well, you can give blood to be used for your own surgery or a > specific other person's. Of course, this doesn't address emergency > needs. I always gave blood until I started getting tattoos. You > can't give for 6 months after that, and so I haven't given in years. > You guys have brought up some interesting points. I never really > thought about this before. I guess I want to believe people can > change and deserve a 2nd chance and all. Not sure I really believe > that most of the time, tho... > sara > > , " Craig Dearth " <cd39@e...> wrote: > > Oz, > > I happen to agree with you > > I am not a organ or blood donor nor do I want someone else's blood > or organs > > in me. > > for pretty much the same reasons you listed. but also the animal > testing > > factor > > much of transplant technology came by experimenting on animals > > blood well yuck let them die or keep theirs out of me, > > > > my wife and I talked once it would-be nice if there was a vegan > blood bank > > or emergency program > > in order to save each other without using carnivore blood ...just > a thought > > > > > > all the best > > Craig > > > > Blood Donation Surprise! > > > > Sorry Peter, but I don't think I would give blood > > because I rather see it as taking lives and not saving > > them. I know this sounds somewhat ridiculous but > > please hear me out. Considering that less than one per > > cent of Staters (Americans) are vegan, if one is to > > give blood to save a carcass-feasting living grave, > > then one would allow that person to continue to > > solicit torture and slaughter. Yet if one donates not, > > and the carcass feaster dies as a result, then one > > shall have prevented the senseless mutilation and > > slaughter of untold innocent non-human animals. > > > > And besides, our bodies work rather hard to produce > > the blood we need to keep us going; I wouldn't want to > > mess with such a vital part of it. > > > > Oz > > --- peter hurd <swpgh01@t...> wrote: > > > Stop Lurking, > > > Congrats on helping save lives, I have just given my > > > 50th donation. In the 25 years since I have been > > > donating I have been a vegan for at least 20, and > > > never failed or told that I shouldnt donate, and I > > > have NEVER taken suppliments apart from fortified > > > soya products and cereals occaisionally. > > > I cannot strongly enough advise people to donate ( > > > in the UK ) blood, and also if you are going to do > > > so , sign up as a bone marrow donor as well. > > > > > > The Valley Vegan....... > > > > > > surrealchickenpants <randomlyred@h...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > *delurk* > > > I went to donate blood for the first time today, and > > > as a > > > prerequisite for donation they do a haemoglobin > > > test, to check that > > > you're not going to die or anything. I was really > > > curious as to > > > whether they'd take my blood, because even though I > > > do watch what I > > > eat, there's been that niggling thought in the back > > > of my head that > > > meat is the best source of iron for the body > > > (despite reading > > > multiple times that this isn't true. I guess all > > > those years of the > > > healthy eating pyramid and the 5 food groups do sink > > > in somewhere > > > along the line). > > > Anyway, the parameters for whole blood collection > > > are haemoglobin > > > between 120 and 165 g/L. Mine was 153. The nurse > > > doing the test > > > said that it's one of the best all day. Goes to show > > > those mad > > > carnivores who think that vegans are anaemic are > > > wrong. Yay! Vegans > > > kick butt! > > > By the way, I don't take iron supplements either. > > > Just B12. When I > > > remember > > > *Back to lurking* > > > To send an email to - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2005 Report Share Posted March 27, 2005 I should think if the tools are not clean you could get hepatitis, cjd, or any form of blood poisoning - but I don't know if this happens often. Jo - " Cynthia Gadarian " <cgadarian Sunday, March 27, 2005 6:15 PM Re: Re: Blood Donation Surprise! > > Well, this is somewhat worrisome. I have wanted to get a tattoo for quite a while but what you said about waiting for 6 months to give blood is a little scary. Can I get a disease from a tatoo? What should I look out for? > > CK Gadarian > > ---- sara <gagrip5 wrote: > > > > > > Oz/Craig; > > Well, you can give blood to be used for your own surgery or a > > specific other person's. Of course, this doesn't address emergency > > needs. I always gave blood until I started getting tattoos. You > > can't give for 6 months after that, and so I haven't given in years. > > You guys have brought up some interesting points. I never really > > thought about this before. I guess I want to believe people can > > change and deserve a 2nd chance and all. Not sure I really believe > > that most of the time, tho... > > sara > > > > , " Craig Dearth " <cd39@e...> wrote: > > > Oz, > > > I happen to agree with you > > > I am not a organ or blood donor nor do I want someone else's blood > > or organs > > > in me. > > > for pretty much the same reasons you listed. but also the animal > > testing > > > factor > > > much of transplant technology came by experimenting on animals > > > blood well yuck let them die or keep theirs out of me, > > > > > > my wife and I talked once it would-be nice if there was a vegan > > blood bank > > > or emergency program > > > in order to save each other without using carnivore blood ...just > > a thought > > > > > > > > > all the best > > > Craig > > > > > > Blood Donation Surprise! > > > > > > Sorry Peter, but I don't think I would give blood > > > because I rather see it as taking lives and not saving > > > them. I know this sounds somewhat ridiculous but > > > please hear me out. Considering that less than one per > > > cent of Staters (Americans) are vegan, if one is to > > > give blood to save a carcass-feasting living grave, > > > then one would allow that person to continue to > > > solicit torture and slaughter. Yet if one donates not, > > > and the carcass feaster dies as a result, then one > > > shall have prevented the senseless mutilation and > > > slaughter of untold innocent non-human animals. > > > > > > And besides, our bodies work rather hard to produce > > > the blood we need to keep us going; I wouldn't want to > > > mess with such a vital part of it. > > > > > > Oz > > > --- peter hurd <swpgh01@t...> wrote: > > > > Stop Lurking, > > > > Congrats on helping save lives, I have just given my > > > > 50th donation. In the 25 years since I have been > > > > donating I have been a vegan for at least 20, and > > > > never failed or told that I shouldnt donate, and I > > > > have NEVER taken suppliments apart from fortified > > > > soya products and cereals occaisionally. > > > > I cannot strongly enough advise people to donate ( > > > > in the UK ) blood, and also if you are going to do > > > > so , sign up as a bone marrow donor as well. > > > > > > > > The Valley Vegan....... > > > > > > > > surrealchickenpants <randomlyred@h...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *delurk* > > > > I went to donate blood for the first time today, and > > > > as a > > > > prerequisite for donation they do a haemoglobin > > > > test, to check that > > > > you're not going to die or anything. I was really > > > > curious as to > > > > whether they'd take my blood, because even though I > > > > do watch what I > > > > eat, there's been that niggling thought in the back > > > > of my head that > > > > meat is the best source of iron for the body > > > > (despite reading > > > > multiple times that this isn't true. I guess all > > > > those years of the > > > > healthy eating pyramid and the 5 food groups do sink > > > > in somewhere > > > > along the line). > > > > Anyway, the parameters for whole blood collection > > > > are haemoglobin > > > > between 120 and 165 g/L. Mine was 153. The nurse > > > > doing the test > > > > said that it's one of the best all day. Goes to show > > > > those mad > > > > carnivores who think that vegans are anaemic are > > > > wrong. Yay! Vegans > > > > kick butt! > > > > By the way, I don't take iron supplements either. > > > > Just B12. When I > > > > remember > > > > *Back to lurking* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To send an email to - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2005 Report Share Posted March 27, 2005 The ex was a tattoo nut! He had his first done by Lyle Tuttle and some by Ernie who was the first to use true yellows and browns. I used to design tattoos for various folks. 1) Check the place out. If they don't want you looking around, go somewhere else. 2) See if they use an autoclaf after every tattoo. 3) See if they use disposible needles and watch to see that they actually open a sealed package (some guy was caught slipping used needles back in the little packets and then pretending to open new ones). 4) Ask for references. The good ones are always happy to share who is a happy customer. 5) Check with local health department and see if there have been any complaints. All in all, better safe than sorry! Enjoy your body art!!!! Lynda - Cynthia Gadarian Sunday, March 27, 2005 9:15 AM Re: Re: Blood Donation Surprise! Well, this is somewhat worrisome. I have wanted to get a tattoo for quite a while but what you said about waiting for 6 months to give blood is a little scary. Can I get a disease from a tatoo? What should I look out for?CK Gadarian---- sara <gagrip5 wrote: > > > Oz/Craig;> Well, you can give blood to be used for your own surgery or a > specific other person's. Of course, this doesn't address emergency > needs. I always gave blood until I started getting tattoos. You > can't give for 6 months after that, and so I haven't given in years.> You guys have brought up some interesting points. I never really > thought about this before. I guess I want to believe people can > change and deserve a 2nd chance and all. Not sure I really believe > that most of the time, tho...> sara> > , "Craig Dearth" <cd39@e...> wrote:> > Oz,> > I happen to agree with you> > I am not a organ or blood donor nor do I want someone else's blood > or organs> > in me.> > for pretty much the same reasons you listed. but also the animal > testing> > factor> > much of transplant technology came by experimenting on animals> > blood well yuck let them die or keep theirs out of me,> > > > my wife and I talked once it would-be nice if there was a vegan > blood bank> > or emergency program> > in order to save each other without using carnivore blood ...just > a thought> > > > > > all the best> > Craig> > > > Blood Donation Surprise!> > > > Sorry Peter, but I don't think I would give blood> > because I rather see it as taking lives and not saving> > them. I know this sounds somewhat ridiculous but> > please hear me out. Considering that less than one per> > cent of Staters (Americans) are vegan, if one is to> > give blood to save a carcass-feasting living grave,> > then one would allow that person to continue to> > solicit torture and slaughter. Yet if one donates not,> > and the carcass feaster dies as a result, then one> > shall have prevented the senseless mutilation and> > slaughter of untold innocent non-human animals.> > > > And besides, our bodies work rather hard to produce> > the blood we need to keep us going; I wouldn't want to> > mess with such a vital part of it.> > > > Oz> > --- peter hurd <swpgh01@t...> wrote:> > > Stop Lurking,> > > Congrats on helping save lives, I have just given my> > > 50th donation. In the 25 years since I have been> > > donating I have been a vegan for at least 20, and> > > never failed or told that I shouldnt donate, and I> > > have NEVER taken suppliments apart from fortified> > > soya products and cereals occaisionally.> > > I cannot strongly enough advise people to donate (> > > in the UK ) blood, and also if you are going to do> > > so , sign up as a bone marrow donor as well.> > >> > > The Valley Vegan.......> > >> > > surrealchickenpants <randomlyred@h...> wrote:> > >> > >> > >> > > *delurk*> > > I went to donate blood for the first time today, and> > > as a> > > prerequisite for donation they do a haemoglobin> > > test, to check that> > > you're not going to die or anything. I was really> > > curious as to> > > whether they'd take my blood, because even though I> > > do watch what I> > > eat, there's been that niggling thought in the back> > > of my head that> > > meat is the best source of iron for the body> > > (despite reading> > > multiple times that this isn't true. I guess all> > > those years of the> > > healthy eating pyramid and the 5 food groups do sink> > > in somewhere> > > along the line).> > > Anyway, the parameters for whole blood collection> > > are haemoglobin> > > between 120 and 165 g/L. Mine was 153. The nurse> > > doing the test> > > said that it's one of the best all day. Goes to show> > > those mad> > > carnivores who think that vegans are anaemic are> > > wrong. Yay! Vegans> > > kick butt!> > > By the way, I don't take iron supplements either.> > > Just B12. When I> > > remember > > > *Back to lurking*> > >> > > > > > > To send an email to - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2005 Report Share Posted March 28, 2005 Yeah, you can get, I believe, hep B or some such fun disease. Think about it... needles under somone else's skin, then under yours, and if that person had something easily blood-born... That being true, the tattoo industry is now very tightly regulated (at least here in the US), blood banks are just playing it safe. Make sure you go to a trusted and well-run place where they keep everything clean. Almost all places now use new needles for each person and hospital-style sterilization for everything else that might touch you. I would say, just check things out carefully before you go. If you get even the slightest hint that the place doesn't keep things really good and clean and above-board, walk right out. Visit several places and you'll see. Good artists don't want there customers infected any more than those customers want to catch something. I now have a regular artist, but before finding him, I visited almost every place in town. Have fun with your tattoo and let us know if you get it and what. sara , Cynthia Gadarian <cgadarian@a...> wrote: > Well, this is somewhat worrisome. I have wanted to get a tattoo for quite a while but what you said about waiting for 6 months to give blood is a little scary. Can I get a disease from a tatoo? What should I look out for? > > CK Gadarian > > ---- sara <gagrip5> wrote: > > > > > > Oz/Craig; > > Well, you can give blood to be used for your own surgery or a > > specific other person's. Of course, this doesn't address emergency > > needs. I always gave blood until I started getting tattoos. You > > can't give for 6 months after that, and so I haven't given in years. > > You guys have brought up some interesting points. I never really > > thought about this before. I guess I want to believe people can > > change and deserve a 2nd chance and all. Not sure I really believe > > that most of the time, tho... > > sara > > > > , " Craig Dearth " <cd39@e...> wrote: > > > Oz, > > > I happen to agree with you > > > I am not a organ or blood donor nor do I want someone else's blood > > or organs > > > in me. > > > for pretty much the same reasons you listed. but also the animal > > testing > > > factor > > > much of transplant technology came by experimenting on animals > > > blood well yuck let them die or keep theirs out of me, > > > > > > my wife and I talked once it would-be nice if there was a vegan > > blood bank > > > or emergency program > > > in order to save each other without using carnivore blood ...just > > a thought > > > > > > > > > all the best > > > Craig > > > > > > Blood Donation Surprise! > > > > > > Sorry Peter, but I don't think I would give blood > > > because I rather see it as taking lives and not saving > > > them. I know this sounds somewhat ridiculous but > > > please hear me out. Considering that less than one per > > > cent of Staters (Americans) are vegan, if one is to > > > give blood to save a carcass-feasting living grave, > > > then one would allow that person to continue to > > > solicit torture and slaughter. Yet if one donates not, > > > and the carcass feaster dies as a result, then one > > > shall have prevented the senseless mutilation and > > > slaughter of untold innocent non-human animals. > > > > > > And besides, our bodies work rather hard to produce > > > the blood we need to keep us going; I wouldn't want to > > > mess with such a vital part of it. > > > > > > Oz > > > --- peter hurd <swpgh01@t...> wrote: > > > > Stop Lurking, > > > > Congrats on helping save lives, I have just given my > > > > 50th donation. In the 25 years since I have been > > > > donating I have been a vegan for at least 20, and > > > > never failed or told that I shouldnt donate, and I > > > > have NEVER taken suppliments apart from fortified > > > > soya products and cereals occaisionally. > > > > I cannot strongly enough advise people to donate ( > > > > in the UK ) blood, and also if you are going to do > > > > so , sign up as a bone marrow donor as well. > > > > > > > > The Valley Vegan....... > > > > > > > > surrealchickenpants <randomlyred@h...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *delurk* > > > > I went to donate blood for the first time today, and > > > > as a > > > > prerequisite for donation they do a haemoglobin > > > > test, to check that > > > > you're not going to die or anything. I was really > > > > curious as to > > > > whether they'd take my blood, because even though I > > > > do watch what I > > > > eat, there's been that niggling thought in the back > > > > of my head that > > > > meat is the best source of iron for the body > > > > (despite reading > > > > multiple times that this isn't true. I guess all > > > > those years of the > > > > healthy eating pyramid and the 5 food groups do sink > > > > in somewhere > > > > along the line). > > > > Anyway, the parameters for whole blood collection > > > > are haemoglobin > > > > between 120 and 165 g/L. Mine was 153. The nurse > > > > doing the test > > > > said that it's one of the best all day. Goes to show > > > > those mad > > > > carnivores who think that vegans are anaemic are > > > > wrong. Yay! Vegans > > > > kick butt! > > > > By the way, I don't take iron supplements either. > > > > Just B12. When I > > > > remember > > > > *Back to lurking* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To send an email to - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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