Guest guest Posted April 18, 2005 Report Share Posted April 18, 2005 Even a few generations ago farming was very popular. Due to modern jobs all those traditional skills are forgotten now. Hence, it might help to have someone familiar with farming/homesteading to help with all this initially. Dr. Borsodi himself had a wife who had a farming background. Hence, this made things easy for him. This article/interview is also somewhere at www.soilandhealth.org Vijay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2005 Report Share Posted April 19, 2005 , " Jo Cwazy " <heartwork@c...> wrote: > I don't think the traditional skills are forgotten - it is just extremely > difficult to get any land to use. > > Jo In 5 years people forget skills substantially. Over more than a generation, there is no doubt that people will forget even more. Vijay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2005 Report Share Posted April 19, 2005 Not all people are the same. Jo > > In 5 years people forget skills substantially. Over more than a > generation, there is no doubt that people will forget even more. > > Vijay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2005 Report Share Posted April 19, 2005 , " Jo Cwazy " <heartwork@c...> wrote: > Not all people are the same. > > Jo Agreed there are exceptions, however this is the general trend. That is why several faced severe problems during the great depression. All these are not my findings by the way. I learned most of it from reading Dr. Borsodi's books and otehr homeseteading sites on the net. Personally, I got some friends who don't even like to make their own coffee. Lynda may find this amusing but it is very true. Vijay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2005 Report Share Posted April 19, 2005 Hi Vijay > In 5 years people forget skills substantially. Over more than a > generation, there is no doubt that people will forget even more. I would have to disagree with that statement - you might get a bit " rusty " on some skills, but I don't think you completely forget in five years. I haven't touched a mixing desk in about 10 years, but I'm sure if I was put in front of one now I would be able to use it in less than half an hour. BB Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2005 Report Share Posted April 19, 2005 I always amazes me that folks that are of the above quarter of a century age that don't know how to do the most basics. Wouldn't have a clue how to make coffee unless it went into a pot with a timer or came instant. That think the only way to make iced tea is to use instant (wonder if they know how the instant is made). That think microwaveable mac & cheese is the greatest thing since sliced bread. Where there's a will there is a way and there is no such thing as " you can't teach an old dog new tricks! " I know this for a fact since DH was a VERY city boy when we met. He's from Brockton, Mass, right outside Boston. We are talking C - I - T - Y !!! Now he wouldn't have coffee unless he grinds it in the morning (shade grown, organic, etc.) and pops it into his French press. When you think about packaged foods, think of all the garbage that is generated by the packaging and the pollution from big plants and all the chemicals for preserving, etc. Lynda - rvijay <rvijay07 Tuesday, April 19, 2005 11:54 AM Re: was Endangered Rivers NOW Homesteading. > > > , " Jo Cwazy " <heartwork@c...> wrote: > > Not all people are the same. > > > > Jo > > > Agreed there are exceptions, however this is the general trend. That > is why several faced severe problems during the great depression. All > these are not my findings by the way. I learned most of it from > reading Dr. Borsodi's books and otehr homeseteading sites on the net. > > Personally, I got some friends who don't even like to make their own > coffee. Lynda may find this amusing but it is very true. > > Vijay To send an email to - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2005 Report Share Posted April 19, 2005 The same goes for my sewing skills - I haven't made a dress for 25 years, or made a rug for 45 years, but I still remember how to do it. Jo > I would have to disagree with that statement - you might get a bit " rusty " > on some skills, but I don't think you completely forget in five years. I > haven't touched a mixing desk in about 10 years, but I'm sure if I was put > in front of one now I would be able to use it in less than half an hour. > > BB > Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2005 Report Share Posted April 20, 2005 we live in an instant gratification society... heck, fast food isn't fast enough..i need it digesting in my stomach before i even order it... Lynda Apr 19, 2005 2:23 PM Re: Re: was Endangered Rivers NOW Homesteading. I always amazes me that folks that are of the above quarter of a century agethat don't know how to do the most basics. Wouldn't have a clue how to makecoffee unless it went into a pot with a timer or came instant. That thinkthe only way to make iced tea is to use instant (wonder if they know how theinstant is made). That think microwaveable mac & cheese is the greatestthing since sliced bread.Where there's a will there is a way and there is no such thing as "you can'tteach an old dog new tricks!"I know this for a fact since DH was a VERY city boy when we met. He's fromBrockton, Mass, right outside Boston. We are talking C - I - T - Y !!!Now he wouldn't have coffee unless he grinds it in the morning (shade grown,organic, etc.) and pops it into his French press.When you think about packaged foods, think of all the garbage that isgenerated by the packaging and the pollution from big plants and all thechemicals for preserving, etc.Lynda-rvijay <rvijay07Tuesday, April 19, 2005 11:54 AM Re: was Endangered Rivers NOW Homesteading.>>> , "Jo Cwazy" <heartwork@c...> wrote:> > Not all people are the same.> >> > Jo>>> Agreed there are exceptions, however this is the general trend. That> is why several faced severe problems during the great depression. All> these are not my findings by the way. I learned most of it from> reading Dr. Borsodi's books and otehr homeseteading sites on the net.>> Personally, I got some friends who don't even like to make their own> coffee. Lynda may find this amusing but it is very true.>> Vijay>>>>>>> To send an email to - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2005 Report Share Posted April 23, 2005 Shade grown organic? French Press.......oh lahdidah, sounds of affluence? Lost it now, The Valley Vegan......................thought of the last 10 minutes: He who cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he himself must pass one day. Lynda <lurine wrote: I always amazes me that folks that are of the above quarter of a century agethat don't know how to do the most basics. Wouldn't have a clue how to makecoffee unless it went into a pot with a timer or came instant. That thinkthe only way to make iced tea is to use instant (wonder if they know how theinstant is made). That think microwaveable mac & cheese is the greatestthing since sliced bread.Where there's a will there is a way and there is no such thing as "you can'tteach an old dog new tricks!"I know this for a fact since DH was a VERY city boy when we met. He's fromBrockton, Mass, right outside Boston. We are talking C - I - T - Y !!!Now he wouldn't have coffee unless he grinds it in the morning (shade grown,organic, etc.) and pops it into his French press.When you think about packaged foods, think of all the garbage that isgenerated by the packaging and the pollution from big plants and all thechemicals for preserving, etc.Lynda-rvijay Tuesday, April 19, 2005 11:54 AM Re: was Endangered Rivers NOW Homesteading.>>> , "Jo Cwazy" wrote:> > Not all people are the same.> >> > Jo>>> Agreed there are exceptions, however this is the general trend. That> is why several faced severe problems during the great depression. All> these are not my findings by the way. I learned most of it from> reading Dr. Borsodi's books and otehr homeseteading sites on the net.>> Personally, I got some friends who don't even like to make their own> coffee. Lynda may find this amusing but it is very true.>> Vijay>>>>>>> To send an email to - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2005 Report Share Posted April 23, 2005 Peter, Havent ever used a mixing desk myself, but have mixed a cake by hand once. I could probably do it again if pushed, well goaded......drooling now..... Thought of the last 5 minutes...... We cannot do great things. We can only do little things with great love The Valley Vegan..................... - Mother Teresa Peter <metalscarab wrote: Hi Vijay> In 5 years people forget skills substantially. Over more than a> generation, there is no doubt that people will forget even more.I would have to disagree with that statement - you might get a bit "rusty"on some skills, but I don't think you completely forget in five years. Ihaven't touched a mixing desk in about 10 years, but I'm sure if I was putin front of one now I would be able to use it in less than half an hour.BBPeter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2005 Report Share Posted April 23, 2005 NO, sounds of cancer. DH had cancer. He was supposed to die within 5 years max. He was supposed to loose all his hair. He was suppose to be sick as a dog. He was none of those because of herbs, vitamins, going organic and getting all the chemicals we could out of our lives. Besides, in the long run it is less expensive to put your money where you mouth is. We buy local, we buy organic, we recycle, we leave as few footprints on the planet as possible. As to the French press, it costs less than an electric coffee maker. Perhaps those buying electric are the ones sounding affluent? They pay more for the machine and they pay for the electricity to run it. I spend less on groceries, buying all organic, than many families I've met who buy the prepackaged crap at their local grocerer's and then whine and bitch about it how they can't afford organic or they can't this, that or the other thing. Lynda - peter hurd Saturday, April 23, 2005 6:31 AM Re: Re: was Endangered Rivers NOW Homesteading. Shade grown organic? French Press.......oh lahdidah, sounds of affluence? Lost it now, The Valley Vegan......................thought of the last 10 minutes: He who cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he himself must pass one day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2005 Report Share Posted April 23, 2005 Though I know this is not a " sexual egalitarianism " group, it is disheartening to see that ethical vegans--as opposed to those who do it solely for either personal health reasons--can still be sexist. Also, though shade-grown coffee *is* more expensive, it is not particularly elitist. It is a great alternative for " regular " coffee because shade-grown coffee is harvested under the canopy of native trees in tropical areas and the canopy supports a surprising variety of tropical birds, insects, reptiles, and tropical plants. Disappointed, Oz --- peter hurd <swpgh01 wrote: > Shade grown organic? French Press.......oh lahdidah, > sounds of affluence? > > Lost it now, > The Valley Vegan......................thought of the > last 10 minutes: > He who cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over > which he himself must pass one day. > > > > Lynda <lurine wrote: > > I always amazes me that folks that are of the above > quarter of a century age > that don't know how to do the most basics. Wouldn't > have a clue how to make > coffee unless it went into a pot with a timer or > came instant. That think > the only way to make iced tea is to use instant > (wonder if they know how the > instant is made). That think microwaveable mac & > cheese is the greatest > thing since sliced bread. > > Where there's a will there is a way and there is no > such thing as " you can't > teach an old dog new tricks! " > > I know this for a fact since DH was a VERY city boy > when we met. He's from > Brockton, Mass, right outside Boston. We are talking > C - I - T - Y !!! > > Now he wouldn't have coffee unless he grinds it in > the morning (shade grown, > organic, etc.) and pops it into his French press. > > When you think about packaged foods, think of all > the garbage that is > generated by the packaging and the pollution from > big plants and all the > chemicals for preserving, etc. > > Lynda > - > rvijay > To: > Tuesday, April 19, 2005 11:54 AM > Re: was Endangered Rivers NOW > Homesteading. > > > > > > > > , " Jo Cwazy " > wrote: > > > Not all people are the same. > > > > > > Jo > > > > > > Agreed there are exceptions, however this is the > general trend. That > > is why several faced severe problems during the > great depression. All > > these are not my findings by the way. I learned > most of it from > > reading Dr. Borsodi's books and otehr > homeseteading sites on the net. > > > > Personally, I got some friends who don't even like > to make their own > > coffee. Lynda may find this amusing but it is very > true. > > > > Vijay > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To send an email to > - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2005 Report Share Posted April 24, 2005 Sorry Oz, I don't understand your meaning - could you explain more clearly! Jo - " Oziel Padilla " <ozielp101 Saturday, April 23, 2005 6:27 PM Re: Re: was Endangered Rivers NOW Homesteading. > > > Though I know this is not a " sexual egalitarianism " > group, it is disheartening to see that ethical > vegans--as opposed to those who do it solely for > either personal health reasons--can still be sexist. > > > Also, though shade-grown coffee *is* more expensive, > it is not particularly elitist. It is a great > alternative for " regular " coffee because shade-grown > coffee is harvested under the canopy of native trees > in tropical areas and the canopy supports a surprising > variety of tropical birds, insects, reptiles, and > tropical plants. > > Disappointed, > Oz > --- peter hurd <swpgh01 wrote: > > Shade grown organic? French Press.......oh lahdidah, > > sounds of affluence? > > > > Lost it now, > > The Valley Vegan......................thought of the > > last 10 minutes: > > He who cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over > > which he himself must pass one day. > > > > > > > > Lynda <lurine wrote: > > > > I always amazes me that folks that are of the above > > quarter of a century age > > that don't know how to do the most basics. Wouldn't > > have a clue how to make > > coffee unless it went into a pot with a timer or > > came instant. That think > > the only way to make iced tea is to use instant > > (wonder if they know how the > > instant is made). That think microwaveable mac & > > cheese is the greatest > > thing since sliced bread. > > > > Where there's a will there is a way and there is no > > such thing as " you can't > > teach an old dog new tricks! " > > > > I know this for a fact since DH was a VERY city boy > > when we met. He's from > > Brockton, Mass, right outside Boston. We are talking > > C - I - T - Y !!! > > > > Now he wouldn't have coffee unless he grinds it in > > the morning (shade grown, > > organic, etc.) and pops it into his French press. > > > > When you think about packaged foods, think of all > > the garbage that is > > generated by the packaging and the pollution from > > big plants and all the > > chemicals for preserving, etc. > > > > Lynda > > - > > rvijay > > To: > > Tuesday, April 19, 2005 11:54 AM > > Re: was Endangered Rivers NOW > > Homesteading. > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Jo Cwazy " > > wrote: > > > > Not all people are the same. > > > > > > > > Jo > > > > > > > > > Agreed there are exceptions, however this is the > > general trend. That > > > is why several faced severe problems during the > > great depression. All > > > these are not my findings by the way. I learned > > most of it from > > > reading Dr. Borsodi's books and otehr > > homeseteading sites on the net. > > > > > > Personally, I got some friends who don't even like > > to make their own > > > coffee. Lynda may find this amusing but it is very > > true. > > > > > > Vijay > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To send an email to > > - > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2005 Report Share Posted April 26, 2005 Hi Oz, Dont know what "sexual egalitarianism", but I suspect it aint something you think I should aspire to? Sorry to be ignorant but what has affluence ( i.e. money) , have to do with sexism? I hope my silly little comments did not upset you, I was having a very bad day/week/month. I am glad that there is a market for something which sounds enviromentally friendly, I hope it is a fairtrade product too?, either way , out of my lifestyles price range. Hope you enjoy it. The Valley vegan..........with his tail between his legs !Oziel Padilla <ozielp101 wrote: Though I know this is not a "sexual egalitarianism"group, it is disheartening to see that ethicalvegans--as opposed to those who do it solely foreither personal health reasons--can still be sexist.:(Also, though shade-grown coffee *is* more expensive,it is not particularly elitist. It is a greatalternative for "regular" coffee because shade-growncoffee is harvested under the canopy of native treesin tropical areas and the canopy supports a surprisingvariety of tropical birds, insects, reptiles, andtropical plants.Disappointed,Oz--- peter hurd wrote:> Shade grown organic? French Press.......oh lahdidah,> sounds of affluence?> > Lost it now,> The Valley Vegan......................thought of the> last 10 minutes:> He who cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over> which he himself must pass one day.> > > > Lynda wrote:> > I always amazes me that folks that are of the above> quarter of a century age> that don't know how to do the most basics. Wouldn't> have a clue how to make> coffee unless it went into a pot with a timer or> came instant. That think> the only way to make iced tea is to use instant> (wonder if they know how the> instant is made). That think microwaveable mac & > cheese is the greatest> thing since sliced bread.> > Where there's a will there is a way and there is no> such thing as "you can't> teach an old dog new tricks!"> > I know this for a fact since DH was a VERY city boy> when we met. He's from> Brockton, Mass, right outside Boston. We are talking> C - I - T - Y !!!> > Now he wouldn't have coffee unless he grinds it in> the morning (shade grown,> organic, etc.) and pops it into his French press.> > When you think about packaged foods, think of all> the garbage that is> generated by the packaging and the pollution from> big plants and all the> chemicals for preserving, etc.> > Lynda> -> rvijay > > Tuesday, April 19, 2005 11:54 AM> Re: was Endangered Rivers NOW> Homesteading.> > > >> >> > , "Jo Cwazy"> wrote:> > > Not all people are the same.> > >> > > Jo> >> >> > Agreed there are exceptions, however this is the> general trend. That> > is why several faced severe problems during the> great depression. All> > these are not my findings by the way. I learned> most of it from> > reading Dr. Borsodi's books and otehr> homeseteading sites on the net.> >> > Personally, I got some friends who don't even like> to make their own> > coffee. Lynda may find this amusing but it is very> true.> >> > Vijay> >> >> >> >> >> >> > To send an email to> - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2005 Report Share Posted April 26, 2005 Hi Lynda, Now I feel as silly as my original reply. I lost my father in law to cancer years ago, when organic produce was very limited, and even though we did travel miles to an organic farm, it didnt help in the end. Never even seen a French Press, but then I rarely drink coffee, I usually make it with a filter paper in a sieve over a cup when I do! so just like me , no finesse there! I too buy organic, and local when possible. I also cook in bulk and freeze a lot of meals- works out a lot cheaper to live that way, and recycle whatever I can. Unfortunately, I have a family of non vegan, rarely enviromentally friendly ( but working on it!), non earners to contend with, and thats just the cats! The Valley Vegan.......Lynda <lurine wrote: NO, sounds of cancer. DH had cancer. He was supposed to die within 5 years max. He was supposed to loose all his hair. He was suppose to be sick as a dog. He was none of those because of herbs, vitamins, going organic and getting all the chemicals we could out of our lives. Besides, in the long run it is less expensive to put your money where you mouth is. We buy local, we buy organic, we recycle, we leave as few footprints on the planet as possible. As to the French press, it costs less than an electric coffee maker. Perhaps those buying electric are the ones sounding affluent? They pay more for the machine and they pay for the electricity to run it. I spend less on groceries, buying all organic, than many families I've met who buy the prepackaged crap at their local grocerer's and then whine and bitch about it how they can't afford organic or they can't this, that or the other thing. Lynda - peter hurd Saturday, April 23, 2005 6:31 AM Re: Re: was Endangered Rivers NOW Homesteading. Shade grown organic? French Press.......oh lahdidah, sounds of affluence? Lost it now, The Valley Vegan......................thought of the last 10 minutes: He who cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he himself must pass one day. To send an email to - Peter H Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2005 Report Share Posted April 26, 2005 DH had a sorry excuse for a doc. I finally hauled him kicking and screaming to another doc. It was almost too late. We purged the house of everything that might off-gas, bought all organic (the coffee is fair-traded AND only $5.99/pound), forced him to take vitamins and herbs, removed as much meat as I could from his diet (men are soooo stubborn <g>), researched chemo (no pushes, continual drip) and bought him a weight machine. He lost no hair, lost no weight and was up and walking less than a day after 8 hours of surgery. The coffee might be a little pricey, but it is the one thing he really enjoys in the morning, so we buy it. The French press is a pyrex little coffee pot. You dump the ground beans in, fill it with boiling water and let it sit for a few minutes. Then you "press" the filter down in the pot. The beans stay on the bottom and you have coffee on top. Here's everything you ever needed to know and probably don't want to know about the French press http://fantes.com/french_press.htm Lynda P.S. You're forgiven your grumpy day <g> - peter hurd Tuesday, April 26, 2005 9:28 AM Re: Re: was Endangered Rivers NOW Homesteading. Hi Lynda, Now I feel as silly as my original reply. I lost my father in law to cancer years ago, when organic produce was very limited, and even though we did travel miles to an organic farm, it didnt help in the end. Never even seen a French Press, but then I rarely drink coffee, I usually make it with a filter paper in a sieve over a cup when I do! so just like me , no finesse there! I too buy organic, and local when possible. I also cook in bulk and freeze a lot of meals- works out a lot cheaper to live that way, and recycle whatever I can. Unfortunately, I have a family of non vegan, rarely enviromentally friendly ( but working on it!), non earners to contend with, and thats just the cats! The Valley Vegan....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2005 Report Share Posted April 27, 2005 Hi Peter I don't think you've said anything offensive - so don't worry about it. Jo , peter hurd <swpgh01@t...> wrote: > Hi Oz, > Dont know what " sexual egalitarianism " , but I suspect it aint something you think I should aspire to? > Sorry to be ignorant but what has affluence ( i.e. money) , have to do with sexism? > I hope my silly little comments did not upset you, I was having a very bad day/week/month. > I am glad that there is a market for something which sounds enviromentally friendly, I hope it is a fairtrade product too?, either way , out of my lifestyles price range. > Hope you enjoy it. > > The Valley vegan..........with his tail between his legs ! > > Oziel Padilla <ozielp101> wrote: > > > Though I know this is not a " sexual egalitarianism " > group, it is disheartening to see that ethical > vegans--as opposed to those who do it solely for > either personal health reasons--can still be sexist. > > > Also, though shade-grown coffee *is* more expensive, > it is not particularly elitist. It is a great > alternative for " regular " coffee because shade-grown > coffee is harvested under the canopy of native trees > in tropical areas and the canopy supports a surprising > variety of tropical birds, insects, reptiles, and > tropical plants. > > Disappointed, > Oz > --- peter hurd wrote: > > Shade grown organic? French Press.......oh lahdidah, > > sounds of affluence? > > > > Lost it now, > > The Valley Vegan......................thought of the > > last 10 minutes: > > He who cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over > > which he himself must pass one day. > > > > > > > > Lynda wrote: > > > > I always amazes me that folks that are of the above > > quarter of a century age > > that don't know how to do the most basics. Wouldn't > > have a clue how to make > > coffee unless it went into a pot with a timer or > > came instant. That think > > the only way to make iced tea is to use instant > > (wonder if they know how the > > instant is made). That think microwaveable mac & > > cheese is the greatest > > thing since sliced bread. > > > > Where there's a will there is a way and there is no > > such thing as " you can't > > teach an old dog new tricks! " > > > > I know this for a fact since DH was a VERY city boy > > when we met. He's from > > Brockton, Mass, right outside Boston. We are talking > > C - I - T - Y !!! > > > > Now he wouldn't have coffee unless he grinds it in > > the morning (shade grown, > > organic, etc.) and pops it into his French press. > > > > When you think about packaged foods, think of all > > the garbage that is > > generated by the packaging and the pollution from > > big plants and all the > > chemicals for preserving, etc. > > > > Lynda > > - > > rvijay > > To: > > Tuesday, April 19, 2005 11:54 AM > > Re: was Endangered Rivers NOW > > Homesteading. > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Jo Cwazy " > > wrote: > > > > Not all people are the same. > > > > > > > > Jo > > > > > > > > > Agreed there are exceptions, however this is the > > general trend. That > > > is why several faced severe problems during the > > great depression. All > > > these are not my findings by the way. I learned > > most of it from > > > reading Dr. Borsodi's books and otehr > > homeseteading sites on the net. > > > > > > Personally, I got some friends who don't even like > > to make their own > > > coffee. Lynda may find this amusing but it is very > > true. > > > > > > Vijay > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To send an email to > > - > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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