Guest guest Posted April 24, 2005 Report Share Posted April 24, 2005 01. The I Ching 02. The Old Tastament 03. The Iliad and the Odyssey, Homer 04. The Upanishades 05. The Way and Its Power, Lao-Tzu 06. The Avesta 07. Analects, Confucius 08. History of the Peloponnesian War, Thucydides 09. Works, Aristotle 10. Works, Hypocrates 11. History, Herodotus 12. The Republic, Plato 13. Elements, Euclid 14. The Dhammapada 15. The Aneid, Virgil 16. On the Nature of Reality, Lucretius 17. Allegorical Expositions of Holy Laws, Philo of Alexandria 18. The new Testament 19. Lives, Plutarch 20. Annals, From the Death of Divine Augustus, Cornelius Tacitus 21. The Gospel of Truth 22. Outlines of Pyrrhonism, Sextus Empiricus 23. Meditation, Marcus Aurelius 24. Enneads, Plotinus 25. Confessions, Augustin of Hippo 26. The Koran 27. Guide for the Perplexed, Moses Maimonides 28. The Kabbalah 29. Summa Theologiae, Thomas Acquinas 30. The Divine Comedy, Dante Alghieri 31. In Praise of Folly, Desiderius Erasmas 32. The Prince, Niccolo Machiavelli 33. On the Babylonia Captivity of the Church, Martin Luther 34. Gargantua and Pantagruel, Francis Rabelais 35. Institutes of the Christian Religion, John Calvin 36. On the Revolution of the Celestial Orbs, N. Copernicus 37. Essays, Miael Eyguem de Montaigne 38. Done Quixote, Parts I and II, M. de Cervantes 39. The Harmony of the World, Johannes Kepler 40. Novum Organum, Francis Bacon 41. The First Filio, William Shakespeare 42. Discourse on Method, Rene Descartes 43. Leviathan, Thomas Hobbes 44. Works, Gottried Wilhelm Leibniz 45. Pensees, Balise Pascal 46. Ethics, Baruch de Spinoza 47. Pilgrims Progress, John Bunyan 48. Principia, Newton 49. Esssay Concerning Human Knowledge, Locke 50. The Principles of Human Knowledge, G. Berkeley 51. The New Science, Giamattista Vico 52. A Treatise on Human Nature, Hume 53. The Encyclopedia, Denis Diderot, ed. 54. A Dictionary of the English Language, Johnson 55. Candide, F.M. de Votaire 56. Common Sense, Thomas Paine 57. An Enquiry Into the Nature and Causes of the Wealth of Nations, Adam Smith 58. The History of the Decline and Fall of the Romam Empire, Edward Gibson 59. Critique of Pure Reason, Immanuel Kant 60. Confessions, J-J Rousseau 61. Reflectin on the Revolution in France, E. Burke 62. Vindication of the Rights of Woman, M. Wollstonecraft 63. An Enquiry Concerning Political Justice, W. Godwin (William Godwin was Mary Wollstonecraft's husband) 64. An Essay on the Principle of Population, T.R. Malthus 65. Phenomenology of Spirit, Hegel 66. The World as Will and Idea, Schopendhauer 67. Course in the Positivist Philosophy, Comte 68. On War, C. M. von Clausewitz 69. Either/Or, Soren Kierkegaard 70. The Manifesto of the Communist Party, Marx & Engels 71. " Civil Disobedience, " H.D. Thoreau 72. The origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, Darwin 73. On Liberty, John Stuart Mill 74. First Principles, H. Spencer 75. " Experiments With Plant Hybrids, " Mendel 76. War and Peace, Leo Tolstoy 77. Treatise on Electricity and Magnetism, Maxwell 78. Thus Spake Zarathustra, F. Nietzche 79. The Interpretations of Dreams, Freud 80. Pragmatism, William James 81. Relatvity, Einstein 82. The Mind and Society, Vilfredo Pareto 83. Psychological Types, C. G. Jung 84. I and Thou, Martin Buber 85. The Trial, F. Kafka 86. The Logic of Scientific Discovery, Popper 87. The General Theory of Emoployment, Interest, and Money, J. M. Keynes 88. Being and Nothingness, J. P. Sarte 89. The Road to Serfdom, F. von Hayek 90. The Second Sex, S. de Beauvoir 91. Cybernetics, N. Wierner 92. Nineteen-Eighty Four, Orwell 93. Beelzebub's Tales to His Grandson, G.I Gurdjieff 94. Philosophical Investitations, Ludwig Wittgenstein 95. Syntatic Structures, Chomsky 96. The Structure of Scientific Revolutions, T.S. Kuhn 97. The Feminine Mystique, Betty Friedan 98. Quotations from Chairman Mao Tse-Tung, Mao 99. Beyond Freedom and Dignity, B.F. Skinner Find some of them for FREE at: www.gutenberg.org www.archive.org Vijay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2005 Report Share Posted April 24, 2005 Hi Vijay Interesting list - did you compile it yourself? A few thoughts of my own.... If you're going to look at " ancient " texts such as the Old Testament, Kabbalah, etc. I'd recommend including other religious texts to get the full balance - the Baghavad Gita, the Vedas, etc. Also, Galen gives a good understanding of ancient medicine, as does Pliny. > 21. The Gospel of Truth Is this the one that has been compiled by Szekely from some of the Essene texts? If so I wouldn't recommend it - it's filled with Szekely's own religious beliefs, and doesn't really represent anything of ancient wisdom. Or am I thinking of something else? > 25. Confessions, Augustin of Hippo City of God is far more interesting (although a hell of a lot longer!) > 36. On the Revolution of the Celestial Orbs, N. Copernicus Not something to delve into lightly - rather complicated mathematical basis which is very confusing (at least to me!) Would recommend Galileo's work to get the same information in far more understandable form! > 54. A Dictionary of the English Language, Johnson Or possibly " Edmund, A Butler's Tale " by Gertrude Perkins (sorry, couldn't resist the Blackadder reference!) :-) > 70. The Manifesto of the Communist Party, Marx & Engels Das Kapital also makes interesting reading, and from the opposite end of the political spectrum, Mein Kampf... > 76. War and Peace, Leo Tolstoy If i had to pick one Tolstoy, I'd go for " The Wisdom of Humankind " . BB Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2005 Report Share Posted April 24, 2005 , metalscarab@c... wrote: > Hi Vijay > > Interesting list - did you compile it yourself? > Hi Peter: Thanks for your kind words/comments. I will refer to them in the future. Evidently you are very well learned person. Nope, I got this list from the net. With my kidney stones and dizziness, there is no way I can prepare such a list myself. Since I get a lot of help from this group and there are several good members here just sharing it in good faith for the general benefit of everyone. Vijay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2005 Report Share Posted April 24, 2005 - rvijay <rvijay07 > 54. A Dictionary of the English Language, Johnson Why flunk English? We'll begin with a box, and the plural is boxes; but the plural of ox became oxen not oxes. One fowl is a goose, but two are called geese, yet the plural of moose should never be meese. You may find a lone mouse or a nest full of mice; yet the plural of house is houses, not hice. If the plural of man is always called men, why shouldn't the plural of pan be called pen? If I spoke of my foot and show you my feet, and I give you a boot, would a pair be called beet? If one is a tooth and a whole set are teeth, why shouldn't the plural of booth be called beeth? Then one may be that, and three would be those, yet hat in the plural would never be hose, and the plural of cat is cats, not cose. We speak of a brother and also of brethren, but though we say mother, we never say methren. Then the masculine pronouns are he, his and him, but imagine the feminine, she, shis and shim. Some other reasons to be grateful if you grew up speaking English: 1) The bandage was wound around the wound. 2) The farm was used to produce produce. 3) The dump was so full that it had to refuse more refuse. 4) We must polish the Polish furniture. 5) He could lead if he would get the lead out. 6) The soldier decided to desert his dessert in the desert. 7) Since there is no time like the present, he thought it was time to present the present. 8) At the Army base, a bass was painted on the head of a bass drum. 9) When shot at, the dove dove into the bushes. 10) I did not object to the object. 11) The insurance was invalid for the invalid. 12) There was a row among the oarsmen about how to row. 13) They were too close to the door to close it. 14) The buck does funny things when the does are present. 15) A seamstress and a sewer fell down into a sewer line. 16) To help with planting, the farmer taught his sow to sow. 17) The wind was too strong to wind the sail. 18) After a number of Novocain injections, my jaw got number. 19) Upon seeing the tear in the painting I shed a tear. 20) I had to subject the subject to a series of tests. 21) How can I intimate this to my most intimate friend? 22) I spent last evening evening out a pile of dirt. Screwy pronunciations can mess up your mind! For example...If you have a rough cough, climbing can be tough when going through the bough on a tree! Let's face it - English is a crazy language. There is no egg in eggplant nor ham in hamburger; neither apple nor pine in pineapple. English muffins weren't invented in England. We take English for granted. But if we explore its paradoxes, we find that quicksand can work slowly, boxing rings are square and a guinea pig is neither from Guinea nor is it a pig. And why is it that writers write but fingers don't fing, grocers don't groce and hammers don't ham? Doesn't it seem crazy that you can make amends but not one amend? If you have a bunch of odds and ends and get rid of all but one of them, what do you call it? If teachers taught, why didn't preachers praught? If a vegetarian eats vegetables, what does a humanitarian eat? Sometimes I think all the folks who grew up speaking English should be committed to an asylum for the verbally insane. In what other language do people recite at a play and play at a recital? Ship by truck and send cargo by ship? Have noses that run and feet that smell? How can a slim chance and a fat chance be the same, while a wise man and a wise guy are opposites? You have to marvel at the unique lunacy of a language in which your house can burn up as it burns down, in which you fill in a form by filling it out and in which an alarm goes off by going on. If Dad is Pop, how's come Mom isn't Mop? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2005 Report Share Posted April 24, 2005 Thanks Lynda - very amusing. One point, we don't call muffins English muffins, we call American muffins fairy cakes. I wonder how all these different names start out. Jo - " Lynda " <lurine Sunday, April 24, 2005 6:06 PM Re: Top Books Everyone Must Read !! > > > - > rvijay <rvijay07 > > > 54. A Dictionary of the English Language, Johnson > > Why flunk English? > > We'll begin with a box, and the plural is boxes; but the plural of ox > became oxen not oxes. > > One fowl is a goose, but two are called geese, yet the plural of moose > should never be meese. > > You may find a lone mouse or a nest full of mice; yet the plural of house > is houses, not hice. > > If the plural of man is always called men, why shouldn't the plural of pan > be called pen? > > If I spoke of my foot and show you my feet, and I give you a boot, would a > pair be called beet? > > If one is a tooth and a whole set are teeth, why shouldn't the plural of > booth be called beeth? > > Then one may be that, and three would be those, yet hat in the plural > would never be hose, and the plural of cat is cats, not cose. > > We speak of a brother and also of brethren, but though we say mother, we > never say methren. > > Then the masculine pronouns are he, his and him, but imagine the feminine, > she, shis and shim. > > Some other reasons to be grateful if you grew up speaking English: > > 1) The bandage was wound around the wound. > 2) The farm was used to produce produce. > 3) The dump was so full that it had to refuse more refuse. > 4) We must polish the Polish furniture. > 5) He could lead if he would get the lead out. > 6) The soldier decided to desert his dessert in the desert. > 7) Since there is no time like the present, he thought it was time > to present the present. > 8) At the Army base, a bass was painted on the head of a bass drum. > 9) When shot at, the dove dove into the bushes. > 10) I did not object to the object. > 11) The insurance was invalid for the invalid. > 12) There was a row among the oarsmen about how to row. > 13) They were too close to the door to close it. > 14) The buck does funny things when the does are present. > 15) A seamstress and a sewer fell down into a sewer line. > 16) To help with planting, the farmer taught his sow to sow. > 17) The wind was too strong to wind the sail. > 18) After a number of Novocain injections, my jaw got number. > 19) Upon seeing the tear in the painting I shed a tear. > 20) I had to subject the subject to a series of tests. > 21) How can I intimate this to my most intimate friend? > 22) I spent last evening evening out a pile of dirt. > > Screwy pronunciations can mess up your mind! For example...If you have a > rough cough, climbing can be tough when going through the bough on a tree! > > Let's face it - English is a crazy language. There is no egg in eggplant > nor ham in hamburger; neither apple nor pine in pineapple. > > English muffins weren't invented in England. > > We take English for granted. But if we explore its paradoxes, we find that > quicksand can work slowly, boxing rings are square and a guinea pig is > neither from Guinea nor is it a pig. > > And why is it that writers write but fingers don't fing, grocers don't > groce and hammers don't ham? > > Doesn't it seem crazy that you can make amends but not one amend? > > If you have a bunch of odds and ends and get rid of all but one of them, > what do you call it? > > If teachers taught, why didn't preachers praught? > > If a vegetarian eats vegetables, what does a humanitarian eat? > > Sometimes I think all the folks who grew up speaking English should be > committed to an asylum for the verbally insane. > > In what other language do people recite at a play and play at a recital? > > Ship by truck and send cargo by ship? > > Have noses that run and feet that smell? > > How can a slim chance and a fat chance be the same, while a wise man and a > wise guy are opposites? > > You have to marvel at the unique lunacy of a language in which your house > can burn up as it burns down, in which you fill in a form by filling it out > and in which an alarm goes off by going on. > > If Dad is Pop, how's come Mom isn't Mop? > > To send an email to - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2005 Report Share Posted April 24, 2005 That's some list Vijay - It would take ages to get through that lot. I think I'd give the Freud one a miss - I don't agree with many of this theories. Jo - " rvijay " <rvijay07 Sunday, April 24, 2005 1:53 PM Top Books Everyone Must Read !! > > > 01. The I Ching > 02. The Old Tastament > 03. The Iliad and the Odyssey, Homer > 04. The Upanishades > 05. The Way and Its Power, Lao-Tzu > 06. The Avesta > 07. Analects, Confucius > 08. History of the Peloponnesian War, Thucydides > 09. Works, Aristotle > 10. Works, Hypocrates > 11. History, Herodotus > 12. The Republic, Plato > 13. Elements, Euclid > 14. The Dhammapada > 15. The Aneid, Virgil > 16. On the Nature of Reality, Lucretius > 17. Allegorical Expositions of Holy Laws, Philo of Alexandria > 18. The new Testament > 19. Lives, Plutarch > 20. Annals, From the Death of Divine Augustus, Cornelius > Tacitus > 21. The Gospel of Truth > 22. Outlines of Pyrrhonism, Sextus Empiricus > 23. Meditation, Marcus Aurelius > 24. Enneads, Plotinus > 25. Confessions, Augustin of Hippo > 26. The Koran > 27. Guide for the Perplexed, Moses Maimonides > 28. The Kabbalah > 29. Summa Theologiae, Thomas Acquinas > 30. The Divine Comedy, Dante Alghieri > 31. In Praise of Folly, Desiderius Erasmas > 32. The Prince, Niccolo Machiavelli > 33. On the Babylonia Captivity of the Church, Martin Luther > 34. Gargantua and Pantagruel, Francis Rabelais > 35. Institutes of the Christian Religion, John Calvin > 36. On the Revolution of the Celestial Orbs, N. Copernicus > 37. Essays, Miael Eyguem de Montaigne > 38. Done Quixote, Parts I and II, M. de Cervantes > 39. The Harmony of the World, Johannes Kepler > 40. Novum Organum, Francis Bacon > 41. The First Filio, William Shakespeare > 42. Discourse on Method, Rene Descartes > 43. Leviathan, Thomas Hobbes > 44. Works, Gottried Wilhelm Leibniz > 45. Pensees, Balise Pascal > 46. Ethics, Baruch de Spinoza > 47. Pilgrims Progress, John Bunyan > 48. Principia, Newton > 49. Esssay Concerning Human Knowledge, Locke > 50. The Principles of Human Knowledge, G. Berkeley > 51. The New Science, Giamattista Vico > 52. A Treatise on Human Nature, Hume > 53. The Encyclopedia, Denis Diderot, ed. > 54. A Dictionary of the English Language, Johnson > 55. Candide, F.M. de Votaire > 56. Common Sense, Thomas Paine > 57. An Enquiry Into the Nature and Causes of the > Wealth of Nations, Adam Smith > 58. The History of the Decline and Fall of the Romam > Empire, Edward Gibson > 59. Critique of Pure Reason, Immanuel Kant > 60. Confessions, J-J Rousseau > 61. Reflectin on the Revolution in France, E. Burke > 62. Vindication of the Rights of Woman, M. Wollstonecraft > 63. An Enquiry Concerning Political Justice, W. Godwin > (William Godwin was Mary Wollstonecraft's husband) > 64. An Essay on the Principle of Population, T.R. Malthus > 65. Phenomenology of Spirit, Hegel > 66. The World as Will and Idea, Schopendhauer > 67. Course in the Positivist Philosophy, Comte > 68. On War, C. M. von Clausewitz > 69. Either/Or, Soren Kierkegaard > 70. The Manifesto of the Communist Party, Marx & Engels > 71. " Civil Disobedience, " H.D. Thoreau > 72. The origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, > Darwin > 73. On Liberty, John Stuart Mill > 74. First Principles, H. Spencer > 75. " Experiments With Plant Hybrids, " Mendel > 76. War and Peace, Leo Tolstoy > 77. Treatise on Electricity and Magnetism, Maxwell > 78. Thus Spake Zarathustra, F. Nietzche > 79. The Interpretations of Dreams, Freud > 80. Pragmatism, William James > 81. Relatvity, Einstein > 82. The Mind and Society, Vilfredo Pareto > 83. Psychological Types, C. G. Jung > 84. I and Thou, Martin Buber > 85. The Trial, F. Kafka > 86. The Logic of Scientific Discovery, Popper > 87. The General Theory of Emoployment, Interest, and > Money, J. M. Keynes > 88. Being and Nothingness, J. P. Sarte > 89. The Road to Serfdom, F. von Hayek > 90. The Second Sex, S. de Beauvoir > 91. Cybernetics, N. Wierner > 92. Nineteen-Eighty Four, Orwell > 93. Beelzebub's Tales to His Grandson, G.I Gurdjieff > 94. Philosophical Investitations, Ludwig Wittgenstein > 95. Syntatic Structures, Chomsky > 96. The Structure of Scientific Revolutions, T.S. Kuhn > 97. The Feminine Mystique, Betty Friedan > 98. Quotations from Chairman Mao Tse-Tung, Mao > 99. Beyond Freedom and Dignity, B.F. Skinner > > Find some of them for FREE at: > www.gutenberg.org > > www.archive.org > > Vijay > To send an email to - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2005 Report Share Posted April 25, 2005 wots the old tastament..... Jo Cwazy Apr 24, 2005 1:24 PM Re: Top Books Everyone Must Read !! That's some list Vijay - It would take ages to get through that lot. Ithink I'd give the Freud one a miss - I don't agree with many of thistheories.Jo-"rvijay" <rvijay07Sunday, April 24, 2005 1:53 PM Top Books Everyone Must Read !!>>> 01. The I Ching> 02. The Old Tastament> 03. The Iliad and the Odyssey, Homer> 04. The Upanishades> 05. The Way and Its Power, Lao-Tzu> 06. The Avesta> 07. Analects, Confucius> 08. History of the Peloponnesian War, Thucydides> 09. Works, Aristotle> 10. Works, Hypocrates> 11. History, Herodotus> 12. The Republic, Plato> 13. Elements, Euclid> 14. The Dhammapada> 15. The Aneid, Virgil> 16. On the Nature of Reality, Lucretius> 17. Allegorical Expositions of Holy Laws, Philo of Alexandria> 18. The new Testament> 19. Lives, Plutarch> 20. Annals, From the Death of Divine Augustus, Cornelius> Tacitus> 21. The Gospel of Truth> 22. Outlines of Pyrrhonism, Sextus Empiricus> 23. Meditation, Marcus Aurelius> 24. Enneads, Plotinus> 25. Confessions, Augustin of Hippo> 26. The Koran> 27. Guide for the Perplexed, Moses Maimonides> 28. The Kabbalah> 29. Summa Theologiae, Thomas Acquinas> 30. The Divine Comedy, Dante Alghieri> 31. In Praise of Folly, Desiderius Erasmas> 32. The Prince, Niccolo Machiavelli> 33. On the Babylonia Captivity of the Church, Martin Luther> 34. Gargantua and Pantagruel, Francis Rabelais> 35. Institutes of the Christian Religion, John Calvin> 36. On the Revolution of the Celestial Orbs, N. Copernicus> 37. Essays, Miael Eyguem de Montaigne> 38. Done Quixote, Parts I and II, M. de Cervantes> 39. The Harmony of the World, Johannes Kepler> 40. Novum Organum, Francis Bacon> 41. The First Filio, William Shakespeare> 42. Discourse on Method, Rene Descartes> 43. Leviathan, Thomas Hobbes> 44. Works, Gottried Wilhelm Leibniz> 45. Pensees, Balise Pascal> 46. Ethics, Baruch de Spinoza> 47. Pilgrims Progress, John Bunyan> 48. Principia, Newton> 49. Esssay Concerning Human Knowledge, Locke> 50. The Principles of Human Knowledge, G. Berkeley> 51. The New Science, Giamattista Vico> 52. A Treatise on Human Nature, Hume> 53. The Encyclopedia, Denis Diderot, ed.> 54. A Dictionary of the English Language, Johnson> 55. Candide, F.M. de Votaire> 56. Common Sense, Thomas Paine> 57. An Enquiry Into the Nature and Causes of the> Wealth of Nations, Adam Smith> 58. The History of the Decline and Fall of the Romam> Empire, Edward Gibson> 59. Critique of Pure Reason, Immanuel Kant> 60. Confessions, J-J Rousseau> 61. Reflectin on the Revolution in France, E. Burke> 62. Vindication of the Rights of Woman, M. Wollstonecraft> 63. An Enquiry Concerning Political Justice, W. Godwin> (William Godwin was Mary Wollstonecraft's husband)> 64. An Essay on the Principle of Population, T.R. Malthus> 65. Phenomenology of Spirit, Hegel> 66. The World as Will and Idea, Schopendhauer> 67. Course in the Positivist Philosophy, Comte> 68. On War, C. M. von Clausewitz> 69. Either/Or, Soren Kierkegaard> 70. The Manifesto of the Communist Party, Marx & Engels> 71. "Civil Disobedience," H.D. Thoreau> 72. The origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection,> Darwin> 73. On Liberty, John Stuart Mill> 74. First Principles, H. Spencer> 75. "Experiments With Plant Hybrids," Mendel> 76. War and Peace, Leo Tolstoy> 77. Treatise on Electricity and Magnetism, Maxwell> 78. Thus Spake Zarathustra, F. Nietzche> 79. The Interpretations of Dreams, Freud> 80. Pragmatism, William James> 81. Relatvity, Einstein> 82. The Mind and Society, Vilfredo Pareto> 83. Psychological Types, C. G. Jung> 84. I and Thou, Martin Buber> 85. The Trial, F. Kafka> 86. The Logic of Scientific Discovery, Popper> 87. The General Theory of Emoployment, Interest, and> Money, J. M. Keynes> 88. Being and Nothingness, J. P. Sarte> 89. The Road to Serfdom, F. von Hayek> 90. The Second Sex, S. de Beauvoir> 91. Cybernetics, N. Wierner> 92. Nineteen-Eighty Four, Orwell> 93. Beelzebub's Tales to His Grandson, G.I Gurdjieff> 94. Philosophical Investitations, Ludwig Wittgenstein> 95. Syntatic Structures, Chomsky> 96. The Structure of Scientific Revolutions, T.S. Kuhn> 97. The Feminine Mystique, Betty Friedan> 98. Quotations from Chairman Mao Tse-Tung, Mao> 99. Beyond Freedom and Dignity, B.F. Skinner>> Find some of them for FREE at:> www.gutenberg.org>> www.archive.org>> Vijay>>>>>>>> To send an email to - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2005 Report Share Posted April 26, 2005 Hi Fraggle > wots the old tastament..... It's a collection of ancient manuscripts concerning cooking... things like Eggsodus, Haba-cook, Prov-herbs, Ecclesi-tasties, etc. BB Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2005 Report Share Posted April 26, 2005 >It's a collection of ancient manuscripts concerning cooking... >things like Eggsodus, Haba-cook, Prov-herbs, Ecclesi-tasties, etc. *applause* -- " A conservative is someone who worships the views of dead liberals. " -- The Holy Church of Happy Good Times Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2005 Report Share Posted April 26, 2005 Peter, You really have a brain the size of a small planet?, not made of metal and terminally depressed are you? Do you have time to read all that stuff, or was it part of an education? My brain hurts, The Valley Vegan.....metalscarab wrote: Hi VijayInteresting list - did you compile it yourself?A few thoughts of my own....If you're going to look at "ancient" texts such as the Old Testament,Kabbalah, etc. I'd recommend including other religious texts to get thefull balance - the Baghavad Gita, the Vedas, etc.Also, Galen gives a good understanding of ancient medicine, as does Pliny.> 21. The Gospel of TruthIs this the one that has been compiled by Szekely from some of the Essenetexts? If so I wouldn't recommend it - it's filled with Szekely's ownreligious beliefs, and doesn't really represent anything of ancientwisdom. Or am I thinking of something else?> 25. Confessions, Augustin of HippoCity of God is far more interesting (although a hell of a lot longer!)> 36. On the Revolution of the Celestial Orbs, N. CopernicusNot something to delve into lightly - rather complicated mathematicalbasis which is very confusing (at least to me!) Would recommend Galileo'swork to get the same information in far more understandable form!> 54. A Dictionary of the English Language, JohnsonOr possibly "Edmund, A Butler's Tale" by Gertrude Perkins (sorry, couldn'tresist the Blackadder reference!) :-)> 70. The Manifesto of the Communist Party, Marx & EngelsDas Kapital also makes interesting reading, and from the opposite end ofthe political spectrum, Mein Kampf...> 76. War and Peace, Leo TolstoyIf i had to pick one Tolstoy, I'd go for "The Wisdom of Humankind".BBPeter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2005 Report Share Posted April 26, 2005 , peter hurd <swpgh01@t...> wrote: > Peter, > You really have a brain the size of a small planet?, not made of metal and terminally depressed are you? > Do you have time to read all that stuff, or was it part of an education? > My brain hurts, Peter is a well learned man. That list seems to be from a very reliable source. Such things are not read in a few days or even months. I would say atleast a few years. All those books seem to be quite famous, atleast their authors are. Vijay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2005 Report Share Posted April 26, 2005 Hi Peter > You really have a brain the size of a small planet?, not made of metal and terminally depressed are you? LOL - nope - and they don't expect me to park cars either :-) > Do you have time to read all that stuff, or was it part of an education? I haven't read *all* of it, but I've had a chance to look through quite a few in the past - and I am currently doing an MA, which means I spend a lot of time reading! BB Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2005 Report Share Posted April 29, 2005 To a certain degree a selection of 100 top books may be a personal preference, but I don't think that many of the books mentioned are particularly suitable for ethical vegans or environmentalists. I agree with inclusion of Rousseau, Darwin, Voltaire, Orwell, Mill, Wollstonecraft, Godwin and some others...but... I would put The Old Testament on my list of the worse books ever written. And The Koran is probably not any better, actually worse in many aspects. The Old Testament is a book advocating all kinds of cruelties to non-human animals and to humans. It advocates human (not to mention non-human) slavery, discrimination of women, discrimination of homosexuals, cruel punishments by stoning to death for adultery, etc, etc. I really cannot understand why such a book should be recommended for " not-to-be-missed " reading. In his books Machiavelli advocated a view of politics where everything is allowed to get into power and stay there. A quote: " Thus, Machiavelli supposed, the ruler needs to acquire a good reputation while actually doing whatever wrong seems necessary in the circumstances. (Prince 18) Thus, rulers must seem to be generous while spending their money wisely, appear to be compassionate while ruling their armies cruelly, and act with great cunning while cultivating a reputation for integrity. Although it is desirable to be both loved and feared by one's subjects, it is difficult to achieve both, and of the two, Machiavelli declared, it is far safer for the ruler to be feared. (Prince 17) " Aristotle was a philosopher who also defended human and non-human slavery. Done Quixote is very hard to read (at least it was for me - I never succeeded to read it). And I think this book actually helps people to view any kind of activism and non-selfish actions as " attacks on windmills " and discourages people to act unselfishly. In my view, Rene Descartes was one of the worst evil doers in the history of the world. In my view, he was much worse evil doer than Hitler, for example. According to Descartes, non-human animals are automatons, they don't feel nothing. They don't feel pain, they cannot suffer; exactly in the same in which a clock or any other kind of machine cannot suffer. Although such a theory is extremely stupid, unfortunately Descartes had many followers. He and his followers performed the most cruel " experiments " on non-human animals with complete indifference. Unfortunately the Descartes' heritage is still with us. Darwin's work is the complete opposite to Descartes', so I really cannot see how can they can be both included on the same list. Ethics, Baruch de Spinoza. Is Spinoza's Ethics really the best ethics that can be recommended in a list of 100 books? I certainly don't think so. Regarding treatment of non-human animals he was no better than the Bible, Descartes, and others. Today we have have a word to describe his attitude: he was a speciesist. I find it very, very surprising that a list of top books on a vegan mailing list doesn't include not a single book written by a pro-animal rights writter. For example, Peter Singer, which is regarded as one of today's most influential philosophers. Even his " Animal Liberation " ( " the bible ot the animal rights movement " ) is not mentioned. Or his very influential " Practical Ethics " . Or Tom Regan's " The Case for Animal Rights " ; or Gary Francione's " Animals, Propery and the Law " ; or **brilliant** work by Joan Dunayer: " Animal Equality: Language and Liberation " ... And generally, too much preference is given to very old books, why newer books are neglected. For example, Lewis Mumford's " The Myth of the Machine " , and especially the second part " The Pentagon of Power " is a brilliant work, a real masterpiece, though it was not written a thousand years ago. Well, this was just my opinion. It may be wrong, but nevertheless I wanted to say what I think. - " rvijay " <rvijay07 Sunday, April 24, 2005 2:53 PM Top Books Everyone Must Read !! > > > 01. The I Ching > 02. The Old Tastament > 03. The Iliad and the Odyssey, Homer > 04. The Upanishades > 05. The Way and Its Power, Lao-Tzu > 06. The Avesta > 07. Analects, Confucius > 08. History of the Peloponnesian War, Thucydides > 09. Works, Aristotle > 10. Works, Hypocrates > 11. History, Herodotus > 12. The Republic, Plato > 13. Elements, Euclid > 14. The Dhammapada > 15. The Aneid, Virgil > 16. On the Nature of Reality, Lucretius > 17. Allegorical Expositions of Holy Laws, Philo of Alexandria > 18. The new Testament > 19. Lives, Plutarch > 20. Annals, From the Death of Divine Augustus, Cornelius > Tacitus > 21. The Gospel of Truth > 22. Outlines of Pyrrhonism, Sextus Empiricus > 23. Meditation, Marcus Aurelius > 24. Enneads, Plotinus > 25. Confessions, Augustin of Hippo > 26. The Koran > 27. Guide for the Perplexed, Moses Maimonides > 28. The Kabbalah > 29. Summa Theologiae, Thomas Acquinas > 30. The Divine Comedy, Dante Alghieri > 31. In Praise of Folly, Desiderius Erasmas > 32. The Prince, Niccolo Machiavelli > 33. On the Babylonia Captivity of the Church, Martin Luther > 34. Gargantua and Pantagruel, Francis Rabelais > 35. Institutes of the Christian Religion, John Calvin > 36. On the Revolution of the Celestial Orbs, N. Copernicus > 37. Essays, Miael Eyguem de Montaigne > 38. Done Quixote, Parts I and II, M. de Cervantes > 39. The Harmony of the World, Johannes Kepler > 40. Novum Organum, Francis Bacon > 41. The First Filio, William Shakespeare > 42. Discourse on Method, Rene Descartes > 43. Leviathan, Thomas Hobbes > 44. Works, Gottried Wilhelm Leibniz > 45. Pensees, Balise Pascal > 46. Ethics, Baruch de Spinoza > 47. Pilgrims Progress, John Bunyan > 48. Principia, Newton > 49. Esssay Concerning Human Knowledge, Locke > 50. The Principles of Human Knowledge, G. Berkeley > 51. The New Science, Giamattista Vico > 52. A Treatise on Human Nature, Hume > 53. The Encyclopedia, Denis Diderot, ed. > 54. A Dictionary of the English Language, Johnson > 55. Candide, F.M. de Votaire > 56. Common Sense, Thomas Paine > 57. An Enquiry Into the Nature and Causes of the > Wealth of Nations, Adam Smith > 58. The History of the Decline and Fall of the Romam > Empire, Edward Gibson > 59. Critique of Pure Reason, Immanuel Kant > 60. Confessions, J-J Rousseau > 61. Reflectin on the Revolution in France, E. Burke > 62. Vindication of the Rights of Woman, M. Wollstonecraft > 63. An Enquiry Concerning Political Justice, W. Godwin > (William Godwin was Mary Wollstonecraft's husband) > 64. An Essay on the Principle of Population, T.R. Malthus > 65. Phenomenology of Spirit, Hegel > 66. The World as Will and Idea, Schopendhauer > 67. Course in the Positivist Philosophy, Comte > 68. On War, C. M. von Clausewitz > 69. Either/Or, Soren Kierkegaard > 70. The Manifesto of the Communist Party, Marx & Engels > 71. " Civil Disobedience, " H.D. Thoreau > 72. The origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, > Darwin > 73. On Liberty, John Stuart Mill > 74. First Principles, H. Spencer > 75. " Experiments With Plant Hybrids, " Mendel > 76. War and Peace, Leo Tolstoy > 77. Treatise on Electricity and Magnetism, Maxwell > 78. Thus Spake Zarathustra, F. Nietzche > 79. The Interpretations of Dreams, Freud > 80. Pragmatism, William James > 81. Relatvity, Einstein > 82. The Mind and Society, Vilfredo Pareto > 83. Psychological Types, C. G. Jung > 84. I and Thou, Martin Buber > 85. The Trial, F. Kafka > 86. The Logic of Scientific Discovery, Popper > 87. The General Theory of Emoployment, Interest, and > Money, J. M. Keynes > 88. Being and Nothingness, J. P. Sarte > 89. The Road to Serfdom, F. von Hayek > 90. The Second Sex, S. de Beauvoir > 91. Cybernetics, N. Wierner > 92. Nineteen-Eighty Four, Orwell > 93. Beelzebub's Tales to His Grandson, G.I Gurdjieff > 94. Philosophical Investitations, Ludwig Wittgenstein > 95. Syntatic Structures, Chomsky > 96. The Structure of Scientific Revolutions, T.S. Kuhn > 97. The Feminine Mystique, Betty Friedan > 98. Quotations from Chairman Mao Tse-Tung, Mao > 99. Beyond Freedom and Dignity, B.F. Skinner > > Find some of them for FREE at: > www.gutenberg.org > > www.archive.org > > Vijay > To send an email to - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2005 Report Share Posted April 29, 2005 Hi Hrovje You make some interesting points - however, I don't think that reading a book means that you have to agree with the contents, and particularly with older books, they give an insight into cultures which no longer exist (OK, I'm a historian, so find this aspect interesting). I don't personally think that the fact Machiavelli and the Old Testament have things in them which we consider to be " Machiavellian " (if you'll excuse the pun) means that they are not " valuable " in terms of understanding how people in the past have thought, and how, as a race, humanity has moved on in its ethical outlook. To quote PG Wodehouse (i.e. Jeeves!): " it is useful to know what tunes the devil is playing " !!! BB Peter , " Hrvoje Nezic " <hrvoje.nezic@e...> wrote: > To a certain degree a selection of 100 top books may be a personal > preference, but I don't think that many of the books mentioned are > particularly suitable for ethical vegans or environmentalists. > > I agree with inclusion of Rousseau, Darwin, Voltaire, Orwell, Mill, > Wollstonecraft, Godwin and some others...but... > > I would put The Old Testament on my list of the worse books > ever written. And The Koran is probably not any better, actually worse in > many > aspects. > > The Old Testament is a book advocating all kinds of cruelties to non-human > animals and to humans. It advocates human (not to mention non-human) > slavery, discrimination of women, discrimination of homosexuals, > cruel punishments by stoning to death for adultery, etc, etc. > > I really cannot understand why such a book should be recommended > for " not-to-be-missed " reading. > > In his books Machiavelli advocated a view of politics where > everything is allowed to get into power and stay there. A quote: > > " Thus, Machiavelli supposed, the ruler needs to acquire a good reputation > while actually doing whatever wrong seems necessary in the circumstances. > (Prince 18) Thus, rulers must seem to be generous while spending their money > wisely, appear to be compassionate while ruling their armies cruelly, and > act with great cunning while cultivating a reputation for integrity. > Although it is desirable to be both loved and feared by one's subjects, it > is difficult to achieve both, and of the two, Machiavelli declared, it is > far safer for the ruler to be feared. (Prince 17) " > > Aristotle was a philosopher who also defended human and non-human > slavery. > > Done Quixote is very hard to read (at least it was for me - I never > succeeded to > read it). And I think this book actually helps people to view any kind of > activism and non-selfish actions as " attacks on windmills " and discourages > people to act unselfishly. > > In my view, Rene Descartes was one of the worst evil doers in > the history of the world. In my view, he was much worse evil doer > than Hitler, for example. > > According to Descartes, non-human animals are automatons, > they don't feel nothing. They don't feel pain, they cannot > suffer; exactly in the same in which a clock or any other kind of machine > cannot suffer. Although such a theory is extremely stupid, > unfortunately Descartes had many followers. He and his followers > performed the most cruel " experiments " on non-human animals > with complete indifference. Unfortunately the Descartes' heritage > is still with us. > > Darwin's work is the complete opposite to Descartes', so I really > cannot see how can they can be both included on the same list. > > Ethics, Baruch de Spinoza. Is Spinoza's Ethics really the best > ethics that can be recommended in a list of 100 books? > I certainly don't think so. Regarding treatment of non-human > animals he was no better than the Bible, Descartes, and others. > Today we have have a word to describe his attitude: he was > a speciesist. > > I find it very, very surprising that a list of top books on a vegan > mailing list doesn't include not a single book written by > a pro-animal rights writter. For example, Peter Singer, which > is regarded as one of today's most influential philosophers. > Even his " Animal Liberation " ( " the bible ot the animal rights > movement " ) is not mentioned. Or his very influential " Practical Ethics " . > Or Tom Regan's " The Case for Animal Rights " ; or Gary Francione's > " Animals, Propery and the Law " ; or **brilliant** work by Joan Dunayer: > " Animal Equality: Language and Liberation " ... > > And generally, too much preference is given to very old books, > why newer books are neglected. For example, Lewis Mumford's > " The Myth of the Machine " , and especially the second part > " The Pentagon of Power " is a brilliant work, a real masterpiece, > though it was not written a thousand years ago. > > Well, this was just my opinion. It may be wrong, but nevertheless > I wanted to say what I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2005 Report Share Posted April 30, 2005 , " Hrvoje Nezic " <hrvoje.nezic@e...> wrote: > To a certain degree a selection of 100 top books may be a personal > preference, but I don't think that many of the books mentioned are > particularly suitable for ethical vegans or environmentalists. > > I agree with inclusion of Rousseau, Darwin, Voltaire, Orwell, Mill, > Wollstonecraft, Godwin and some others...but... > > I would put The Old Testament on my list of the worse books > ever written. And The Koran is probably not any better, actually worse in > many > aspects. > Excellent comments !!! Things like these are what I look forward to from this group. Anymore similar are welcome. If everyone keeps agreeing all the time this group would be too boring and I would never learn. Older literature can be read as a Classic. However, by being aware in advance, we can learn from the mistakes/short commings of these Authors. For sure the list is atleast a few years old I believe and certainly not prepared by a Vegetarian or Vegan. Once again thanks for sharing. Vijay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2005 Report Share Posted April 30, 2005 , " Peter " <metalscarab@c...> wrote: > Hi Hrovje > > > To quote PG Wodehouse (i.e. Jeeves!): " it is useful to know what > tunes the devil is playing " !!! > > BB > Peter > Great quote, thanks for sharing. For a long time though I believed in something simmilar. Vijay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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