Guest guest Posted May 4, 2005 Report Share Posted May 4, 2005 Fireman's recovery stuns doctors Herbert (left) has lived in a nursing home for more than seven years. US doctors are trying to find out why a severely brain-damaged man has suddenly started to speak after nearly 10 years. Donald Herbert, 43, a firefighter, was badly injured in a house fire in 1995 and was deprived of oxygen for several minutes before being rescued. He was in a coma for more than two months, and since then he has been blind, barely able to speak and unable to recognise family and friends. But at the weekend he spoke lucidly with his wife and family for 14 hours. He has since maintained his recovery. Medical experts say it is almost unheard of for patients to recover from such severe brain injuries after so many years. A news conference on Mr Herbert's condition is scheduled for Wednesday. 'Three months' The firefighter was injured when the roof of a burning house collapsed on him in December 1995. He was left without of oxygen for several minutes. He has been in a nursing home in the city of Buffalo, in New York state, for more than seven years. But on Saturday he suddenly asked for his wife Linda and chatted with her, his four sons and other family until he fell asleep on Sunday morning. His uncle, Simon Manka, told AP news agency he thought he had only been away for three months. Not like Schiavo Experts say there are several possible reasons for the change. His brain may have been impaired by some condition, other than the injury itself, which was successfully dealt with. A change in medication might also have brought about an improvement. There have been several other similar cases of brain recovery in the US. Arkansas car accident victim Terry Wallis woke up two years ago after 19 years in a coma and began speaking to his family. And Tennessee police officer Gary Dockery, paralysed and mute after a shooting in 1988, started speaking again eight years later. He died of a blood clot on the lung in 1997. None of the victims were in a persistent vegetative state like Terri Schiavo, the brain-damaged woman who died last month after her feeding tube was removed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2005 Report Share Posted May 4, 2005 I find it interesting how many news articles keep repeating " not like Terri " as if repeating it will make it true. Or how they always say " died after the feeding tube was removed " as though that negates the starving and the dehydration. those are probably the same people that think the TX law is just peachy that allows hospitals to give parents 72 hours to find another facility for children or they'll pull the plug on them too WITHOUT parental consent! Lynda - heartwerk <heartwork Tuesday, May 03, 2005 11:42 PM Some good news > Fireman's recovery stuns doctors > > Herbert (left) has lived in a nursing home for more than seven years. > US doctors are trying to find out why a severely brain-damaged man > has suddenly started to speak after nearly 10 years. > Donald Herbert, 43, a firefighter, was badly injured in a house fire > in 1995 and was deprived of oxygen for several minutes before being > rescued. > > He was in a coma for more than two months, and since then he has been > blind, barely able to speak and unable to recognise family and > friends. > > But at the weekend he spoke lucidly with his wife and family for 14 > hours. > > He has since maintained his recovery. > > Medical experts say it is almost unheard of for patients to recover > from such severe brain injuries after so many years. > > A news conference on Mr Herbert's condition is scheduled for > Wednesday. > > 'Three months' > > The firefighter was injured when the roof of a burning house > collapsed on him in December 1995. He was left without of oxygen for > several minutes. > > He has been in a nursing home in the city of Buffalo, in New York > state, for more than seven years. > > But on Saturday he suddenly asked for his wife Linda and chatted with > her, his four sons and other family until he fell asleep on Sunday > morning. > > His uncle, Simon Manka, told AP news agency he thought he had only > been away for three months. > > Not like Schiavo > > Experts say there are several possible reasons for the change. > > His brain may have been impaired by some condition, other than the > injury itself, which was successfully dealt with. > > A change in medication might also have brought about an improvement. > > There have been several other similar cases of brain recovery in the > US. > > Arkansas car accident victim Terry Wallis woke up two years ago after > 19 years in a coma and began speaking to his family. > > And Tennessee police officer Gary Dockery, paralysed and mute after a > shooting in 1988, started speaking again eight years later. He died > of a blood clot on the lung in 1997. > > None of the victims were in a persistent vegetative state like Terri > Schiavo, the brain-damaged woman who died last month after her > feeding tube was removed. > > To send an email to - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2005 Report Share Posted May 4, 2005 It is disgraceful to let people die of starvation and dehydration. How can people be so harsh. I don't know anything about the laws concerning babies in US but there have been a few bad decisions over here recently where the law has decreed that certain babies will not be resuscitated/treated. Jo - " Lynda " <lurine Wednesday, May 04, 2005 7:51 AM Re: Some good news > I find it interesting how many news articles keep repeating " not like Terri " > as if repeating it will make it true. Or how they always say " died after > the feeding tube was removed " as though that negates the starving and the > dehydration. > > those are probably the same people that think the TX law is just peachy that > allows hospitals to give parents 72 hours to find another facility for > children or they'll pull the plug on them too WITHOUT parental consent! > > Lynda > - > heartwerk <heartwork > > Tuesday, May 03, 2005 11:42 PM > Some good news > > > > Fireman's recovery stuns doctors > > > > Herbert (left) has lived in a nursing home for more than seven years. > > US doctors are trying to find out why a severely brain-damaged man > > has suddenly started to speak after nearly 10 years. > > Donald Herbert, 43, a firefighter, was badly injured in a house fire > > in 1995 and was deprived of oxygen for several minutes before being > > rescued. > > > > He was in a coma for more than two months, and since then he has been > > blind, barely able to speak and unable to recognise family and > > friends. > > > > But at the weekend he spoke lucidly with his wife and family for 14 > > hours. > > > > He has since maintained his recovery. > > > > Medical experts say it is almost unheard of for patients to recover > > from such severe brain injuries after so many years. > > > > A news conference on Mr Herbert's condition is scheduled for > > Wednesday. > > > > 'Three months' > > > > The firefighter was injured when the roof of a burning house > > collapsed on him in December 1995. He was left without of oxygen for > > several minutes. > > > > He has been in a nursing home in the city of Buffalo, in New York > > state, for more than seven years. > > > > But on Saturday he suddenly asked for his wife Linda and chatted with > > her, his four sons and other family until he fell asleep on Sunday > > morning. > > > > His uncle, Simon Manka, told AP news agency he thought he had only > > been away for three months. > > > > Not like Schiavo > > > > Experts say there are several possible reasons for the change. > > > > His brain may have been impaired by some condition, other than the > > injury itself, which was successfully dealt with. > > > > A change in medication might also have brought about an improvement. > > > > There have been several other similar cases of brain recovery in the > > US. > > > > Arkansas car accident victim Terry Wallis woke up two years ago after > > 19 years in a coma and began speaking to his family. > > > > And Tennessee police officer Gary Dockery, paralysed and mute after a > > shooting in 1988, started speaking again eight years later. He died > > of a blood clot on the lung in 1997. > > > > None of the victims were in a persistent vegetative state like Terri > > Schiavo, the brain-damaged woman who died last month after her > > feeding tube was removed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To send an email to - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2005 Report Share Posted May 4, 2005 Alfred E. Newman's evil doppleganger signed a law in TX while still governor that gave hospital the right to decide, without parent input or permission, whether or not a baby should be kept on life support. They give the parents a 72 hour notice that they can move the child to another hospital if they disagree with the decision. HOWEVER, unless they are disgustingly rich, in which case the hospital wouldn't have decided to pull the plug to begin with, no other hospital is going to take the baby. Insurance companies won't pay for hospital shopping. tickles them just pink that the hospital says pull the plug because then they don't have to pay anymore. Lynda - Jo Cwazy <heartwork Wednesday, May 04, 2005 11:03 AM Re: Some good news > It is disgraceful to let people die of starvation and dehydration. How can > people be so harsh. I don't know anything about the laws concerning babies > in US but there have been a few bad decisions over here recently where the > law has decreed that certain babies will not be resuscitated/treated. > > Jo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2005 Report Share Posted May 4, 2005 oh boi.. can vegans walk on eggshells? the woman in florida was, horrible to say, already dead... her brain functions were nil the damaged parts of her brain had been filled with spinal fluid, in other words, they weren't coming back i'm not saying what happened was right, but it wasn't just a cut and dry "she could come around any second now" either personally...i'd rather have a team of doctors go "eh, he's gone...there's more life in a box of pencils" and make a decision based on that, then have my family(whomever they may be) anquish over it for years and years and years and have some backwater politician who thinks god has chosen him to lead da world from sin and into his pocketbook tell my family and doctors and specialists that even tho he can't put a band aid on correctly, they obviously have no bloody clue and i must be strapped up to some machine ferever and ever and ever..... again..thats just me who knows..maybe i'd enjoy being a complete vegetative state... Jo Cwazy May 4, 2005 11:03 AM Re: Some good news It is disgraceful to let people die of starvation and dehydration. How canpeople be so harsh. I don't know anything about the laws concerning babiesin US but there have been a few bad decisions over here recently where thelaw has decreed that certain babies will not be resuscitated/treated.Jo-"Lynda" <lurineWednesday, May 04, 2005 7:51 AMRe: Some good news> I find it interesting how many news articles keep repeating "not likeTerri"> as if repeating it will make it true. Or how they always say "died after> the feeding tube was removed" as though that negates the starving and the> dehydration.>> those are probably the same people that think the TX law is just peachythat> allows hospitals to give parents 72 hours to find another facility for> children or they'll pull the plug on them too WITHOUT parental consent!>> Lynda> -> heartwerk <heartwork> > Tuesday, May 03, 2005 11:42 PM> Some good news>>> > Fireman's recovery stuns doctors> >> > Herbert (left) has lived in a nursing home for more than seven years.> > US doctors are trying to find out why a severely brain-damaged man> > has suddenly started to speak after nearly 10 years.> > Donald Herbert, 43, a firefighter, was badly injured in a house fire> > in 1995 and was deprived of oxygen for several minutes before being> > rescued.> >> > He was in a coma for more than two months, and since then he has been> > blind, barely able to speak and unable to recognise family and> > friends.> >> > But at the weekend he spoke lucidly with his wife and family for 14> > hours.> >> > He has since maintained his recovery.> >> > Medical experts say it is almost unheard of for patients to recover> > from such severe brain injuries after so many years.> >> > A news conference on Mr Herbert's condition is scheduled for> > Wednesday.> >> > 'Three months'> >> > The firefighter was injured when the roof of a burning house> > collapsed on him in December 1995. He was left without of oxygen for> > several minutes.> >> > He has been in a nursing home in the city of Buffalo, in New York> > state, for more than seven years.> >> > But on Saturday he suddenly asked for his wife Linda and chatted with> > her, his four sons and other family until he fell asleep on Sunday> > morning.> >> > His uncle, Simon Manka, told AP news agency he thought he had only> > been away for three months.> >> > Not like Schiavo> >> > Experts say there are several possible reasons for the change.> >> > His brain may have been impaired by some condition, other than the> > injury itself, which was successfully dealt with.> >> > A change in medication might also have brought about an improvement.> >> > There have been several other similar cases of brain recovery in the> > US.> >> > Arkansas car accident victim Terry Wallis woke up two years ago after> > 19 years in a coma and began speaking to his family.> >> > And Tennessee police officer Gary Dockery, paralysed and mute after a> > shooting in 1988, started speaking again eight years later. He died> > of a blood clot on the lung in 1997.> >> > None of the victims were in a persistent vegetative state like Terri> > Schiavo, the brain-damaged woman who died last month after her> > feeding tube was removed.> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > To send an email to - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2005 Report Share Posted May 4, 2005 I'm not particularly disputing the decision - but I think it is wrong to let her die so slowly of starvation/dehydration. If the decision is made that she should die then it should be through a massive overdose of morphine - like they used to do 50 years ago. That would be much kinder. Jo - fraggle Wednesday, May 04, 2005 8:14 PM Re: Some good news oh boi.. can vegans walk on eggshells? the woman in florida was, horrible to say, already dead... her brain functions were nil the damaged parts of her brain had been filled with spinal fluid, in other words, they weren't coming back i'm not saying what happened was right, but it wasn't just a cut and dry "she could come around any second now" either personally...i'd rather have a team of doctors go "eh, he's gone...there's more life in a box of pencils" and make a decision based on that, then have my family(whomever they may be) anquish over it for years and years and years and have some backwater politician who thinks god has chosen him to lead da world from sin and into his pocketbook tell my family and doctors and specialists that even tho he can't put a band aid on correctly, they obviously have no bloody clue and i must be strapped up to some machine ferever and ever and ever..... again..thats just me who knows..maybe i'd enjoy being a complete vegetative state... Jo Cwazy May 4, 2005 11:03 AM Re: Some good news It is disgraceful to let people die of starvation and dehydration. How canpeople be so harsh. I don't know anything about the laws concerning babiesin US but there have been a few bad decisions over here recently where thelaw has decreed that certain babies will not be resuscitated/treated.Jo-"Lynda" <lurineWednesday, May 04, 2005 7:51 AMRe: Some good news> I find it interesting how many news articles keep repeating "not likeTerri"> as if repeating it will make it true. Or how they always say "died after> the feeding tube was removed" as though that negates the starving and the> dehydration.>> those are probably the same people that think the TX law is just peachythat> allows hospitals to give parents 72 hours to find another facility for> children or they'll pull the plug on them too WITHOUT parental consent!>> Lynda> -> heartwerk <heartwork> > Tuesday, May 03, 2005 11:42 PM> Some good news>>> > Fireman's recovery stuns doctors> >> > Herbert (left) has lived in a nursing home for more than seven years.> > US doctors are trying to find out why a severely brain-damaged man> > has suddenly started to speak after nearly 10 years.> > Donald Herbert, 43, a firefighter, was badly injured in a house fire> > in 1995 and was deprived of oxygen for several minutes before being> > rescued.> >> > He was in a coma for more than two months, and since then he has been> > blind, barely able to speak and unable to recognise family and> > friends.> >> > But at the weekend he spoke lucidly with his wife and family for 14> > hours.> >> > He has since maintained his recovery.> >> > Medical experts say it is almost unheard of for patients to recover> > from such severe brain injuries after so many years.> >> > A news conference on Mr Herbert's condition is scheduled for> > Wednesday.> >> > 'Three months'> >> > The firefighter was injured when the roof of a burning house> > collapsed on him in December 1995. He was left without of oxygen for> > sev eral minutes.> >> > He has been in a nursing home in the city of Buffalo, in New York> > state, for more than seven years.> >> > But on Saturday he suddenly asked for his wife Linda and chatted with> > her, his four sons and other family until he fell asleep on Sunday> > morning.> >> > His uncle, Simon Manka, told AP news agency he thought he had only> > been away for three months.> >> > Not like Schiavo> >> > Experts say there are several possible reasons for the change.> >> > His brain may have been impaired by some condition, other than the> > injury itself, which was successfully dealt with.> >> > A change in medication might also have brought about an improvement.> >> > There have been several other similar cases of brain recovery in the> > US.> & gt;> > Arkansas car accident victim Terry Wallis woke up two years ago after> > 19 years in a coma and began speaking to his family.> >> > And Tennessee police officer Gary Dockery, paralysed and mute after a> > shooting in 1988, started speaking again eight years later. He died> > of a blood clot on the lung in 1997.> >> > None of the victims were in a persistent vegetative state like Terri> > Schiavo, the brain-damaged woman who died last month after her> > feeding tube was removed.> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > To send an email to - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2005 Report Share Posted May 4, 2005 Well, duh. I mean one could say that's as close as one could get to vegan nirvana <g> However, vegetative state aside (that is still being argued and the autopsy mysteriously isn't appearing), if one goes into court and argues that one's wife would want him to get money to take care of her, and one gets two checks ($250,000 in his pocket and another split with $300,000 going into his pocket and $700,000 into a medical trust for her) shouldn't "her" money be used to care for her instead of being used to pay a "kill" lawyer (over $500,000 of the $700,000 was used to pay the lawyer who routinely fights to end lives plus what they kept quiet as possible was the ACLU of NAMBLA fame was footing the bill of 4 associate lawyers)? Lynda - fraggle Wednesday, May 04, 2005 12:14 PM Re: Some good news oh boi.. can vegans walk on eggshells? the woman in florida was, horrible to say, already dead... her brain functions were nil the damaged parts of her brain had been filled with spinal fluid, in other words, they weren't coming back i'm not saying what happened was right, but it wasn't just a cut and dry "she could come around any second now" either personally...i'd rather have a team of doctors go "eh, he's gone...there's more life in a box of pencils" and make a decision based on that, then have my family(whomever they may be) anquish over it for years and years and years and have some backwater politician who thinks god has chosen him to lead da world from sin and into his pocketbook tell my family and doctors and specialists that even tho he can't put a band aid on correctly, they obviously have no bloody clue and i must be strapped up to some machine ferever and ever and ever..... again..thats just me who knows..maybe i'd enjoy being a complete vegetative state...Eating flesh seems pretty foul to me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2005 Report Share Posted May 4, 2005 its all a tricky subject....and certainly nuthin to be taken lightly..imo Jo Cwazy May 4, 2005 12:21 PM Re: Some good news I'm not particularly disputing the decision - but I think it is wrong to let her die so slowly of starvation/dehydration. If the decision is made that she should die then it should be through a massive overdose of morphine - like they used to do 50 years ago. That would be much kinder. Jo - fraggle Wednesday, May 04, 2005 8:14 PM Re: Some good news oh boi.. can vegans walk on eggshells? the woman in florida was, horrible to say, already dead... her brain functions were nil the damaged parts of her brain had been filled with spinal fluid, in other words, they weren't coming back i'm not saying what happened was right, but it wasn't just a cut and dry "she could come around any second now" either personally...i'd rather have a team of doctors go "eh, he's gone...there's more life in a box of pencils" and make a decision based on that, then have my family(whomever they may be) anquish over it for years and years and years and have some backwater politician who thinks god has chosen him to lead da world from sin and into his pocketbook tell my family and doctors and specialists that even tho he can't put a band aid on correctly, they obviously have no bloody clue and i must be strapped up to some machine ferever and ever and ever..... again..thats just me who knows..maybe i'd enjoy being a complete vegetative state... Jo Cwazy May 4, 2005 11:03 AM Re: Some good news It is disgraceful to let people die of starvation and dehydration. How canpeople be so harsh. I don't know anything about the laws concerning babiesin US but there have been a few bad decisions over here recently where thelaw has decreed that certain babies will not be resuscitated/treated.Jo-"Lynda" <lurineWednesday, May 04, 2005 7:51 AMRe: Some good news> I find it interesting how many news articles keep repeating "not likeTerri"> as if repeating it will make it true. Or how they always say "died after> the feeding tube was removed" as though that negates the starving and the> dehydration.>> those are probably the same people that think the TX law is just peachythat> allows hospitals to give parents 72 hours to find another facility for> children or they'll pull the plug on them too WITHOUT parental consent!>> Lynda> -> heartwerk <heartwork> > Tuesday, May 03, 2005 11:42 PM> Some good news>>> > Fireman's recovery stuns doctors> >> > Herbert (left) has lived in a nursing home for more than seven years.> > US doctors are trying to find out why a severely brain-damaged man> > has suddenly started to speak after nearly 10 years.> > Donald Herbert, 43, a firefighter, was badly injured in a house fire> > in 1995 and was deprived of oxygen for several minutes before being> > rescued.> >> > He was in a coma for more than two months, and since then he has been> > blind, barely able to speak and unable to recognise family and> > friends.> >> > But at the weekend he spoke lucidly with his wife and family for 14> > hours.> >> > He has since maintained his recovery.> >> > Medical experts say it is almost unheard of for patients to recover> > from such severe brain injuries after so many years.> >> > A news conference on Mr Herbert's condition is scheduled for> > Wednesday.> >> > 'Three months'> >> > The firefighter was injured when the roof of a burning house> > collapsed on him in December 1995. He was left without of oxygen for> > sev eral minutes.> >> > He has been in a nursing home in the city of Buffalo, in New York> > state, for more than seven years.> >> > But on Saturday he suddenly asked for his wife Linda and chatted with> > her, his four sons and other family until he fell asleep on Sunday> > morning.> >> > His uncle, Simon Manka, told AP news agency he thought he had only> > been away for three months.> >> > Not like Schiavo> >> > Experts say there are several possible reasons for the change.> >> > His brain may have been impaired by some condition, other than the> > injury itself, which was successfully dealt with.> >> > A change in medication might also have brought about an improvement.> >> > There have been several other similar cases of brain recovery in the> > US.> & gt;> > Arkansas car accident victim Terry Wallis woke up two years ago after> > 19 years in a coma and began speaking to his family.> >> > And Tennessee police officer Gary Dockery, paralysed and mute after a> > shooting in 1988, started speaking again eight years later. He died> > of a blood clot on the lung in 1997.> >> > None of the victims were in a persistent vegetative state like Terri> > Schiavo, the brain-damaged woman who died last month after her> > feeding tube was removed.> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > To send an email to - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2005 Report Share Posted May 4, 2005 Hi Fraggle > can vegans walk on eggshells? Surely if you walk on eggshells, you wouldn't be vegan... try egg replacer instead :-) BB Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2005 Report Share Posted May 4, 2005 In Oregon they have euthenisia laws which would have ended her days that way. I believe Maine is considering such a law. Couple of countries in Europe? Holland? Lynda - Jo Cwazy Wednesday, May 04, 2005 12:21 PM Re: Some good news I'm not particularly disputing the decision - but I think it is wrong to let her die so slowly of starvation/dehydration. If the decision is made that she should die then it should be through a massive overdose of morphine - like they used to do 50 years ago. That would be much kinder. Jo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2005 Report Share Posted May 5, 2005 That sounds bad to me! I hadn't heard that he got money to look after her. Jo - Lynda Wednesday, May 04, 2005 8:45 PM Re: Some good news Well, duh. I mean one could say that's as close as one could get to vegan nirvana <g> However, vegetative state aside (that is still being argued and the autopsy mysteriously isn't appearing), if one goes into court and argues that one's wife would want him to get money to take care of her, and one gets two checks ($250,000 in his pocket and another split with $300,000 going into his pocket and $700,000 into a medical trust for her) shouldn't "her" money be used to care for her instead of being used to pay a "kill" lawyer (over $500,000 of the $700,000 was used to pay the lawyer who routinely fights to end lives plus what they kept quiet as possible was the ACLU of NAMBLA fame was footing the bill of 4 associate lawyers)? Lynda - fraggle Wednesday, May 04, 2005 12:14 PM Re: Some good news oh boi.. can vegans walk on eggshells? the woman in florida was, horrible to say, already dead... her brain functions were nil the damaged parts of her brain had been filled with spinal fluid, in other words, they weren't coming back i'm not saying what happened was right, but it wasn't just a cut and dry "she could come around any second now" either personally...i'd rather have a team of doctors go "eh, he's gone...there's more life in a box of pencils" and make a decision based on that, then have my family(whomever they may be) anquish over it for years and years and years and have some backwater politician who thinks god has chosen him to lead da world from sin and into his pocketbook tell my family and doctors and specialists that even tho he can't put a band aid on correctly, they obviously have no bloody clue and i must be strapped up to some machine ferever and ever and ever..... again..thats just me who knows..maybe i'd enjoy being a complete vegetative state...Eating flesh seems pretty foul to meTo send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2005 Report Share Posted May 5, 2005 He sued for medical care for her AND loss of sex with her for him. The sick part is that he had been living with another woman for the year prior to the lawsuit. He moved out because his lawyer told him it wouldn't look good and he wouldn't get any money for him. I used to work as a paralegal and had been following this case for a few years before it became the media circus. Along with everything else, his lawyer (the one to remove the tubes) made campaign donations to the judge, as did four others that were working with him to get the tube feedings stopped. Lots of ethics questions but since it was Florida there won't ever be anything done about it! Lynda - Jo Cwazy Thursday, May 05, 2005 10:28 AM Re: Some good news That sounds bad to me! I hadn't heard that he got money to look after her. Jo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2005 Report Share Posted May 5, 2005 What a selfish person - thanks for the info. Jo - Lynda Thursday, May 05, 2005 8:38 PM Re: Some good news He sued for medical care for her AND loss of sex with her for him. The sick part is that he had been living with another woman for the year prior to the lawsuit. He moved out because his lawyer told him it wouldn't look good and he wouldn't get any money for him. I used to work as a paralegal and had been following this case for a few years before it became the media circus. Along with everything else, his lawyer (the one to remove the tubes) made campaign donations to the judge, as did four others that were working with him to get the tube feedings stopped. Lots of ethics questions but since it was Florida there won't ever be anything done about it! Lynda - Jo Cwazy Thursday, May 05, 2005 10:28 AM Re: Some good news That sounds bad to me! I hadn't heard that he got money to look after her. JoTo send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2005 Report Share Posted May 7, 2005 Once again, I `m with you on that one Jo. The Valley Vegan......Jo Cwazy <heartwork wrote: I'm not particularly disputing the decision - but I think it is wrong to let her die so slowly of starvation/dehydration. If the decision is made that she should die then it should be through a massive overdose of morphine - like they used to do 50 years ago. That would be much kinder. Jo - fraggle Wednesday, May 04, 2005 8:14 PM Re: Some good news oh boi.. can vegans walk on eggshells? the woman in florida was, horrible to say, already dead... her brain functions were nil the damaged parts of her brain had been filled with spinal fluid, in other words, they weren't coming back i'm not saying what happened was right, but it wasn't just a cut and dry "she could come around any second now" either personally...i'd rather have a team of doctors go "eh, he's gone...there's more life in a box of pencils" and make a decision based on that, then have my family(whomever they may be) anquish over it for years and years and years and have some backwater politician who thinks god has chosen him to lead da world from sin and into his pocketbook tell my family and doctors and specialists that even tho he can't put a band aid on correctly, they obviously have no bloody clue and i must be strapped up to some machine ferever and ever and ever..... again..thats just me who knows..maybe i'd enjoy being a complete vegetative state... Jo Cwazy May 4, 2005 11:03 AM Re: Some good news It is disgraceful to let people die of starvation and dehydration. How canpeople be so harsh. I don't know anything about the laws concerning babiesin US but there have been a few bad decisions over here recently where thelaw has decreed that certain babies will not be resuscitated/treated.Jo-"Lynda" <lurineWednesday, May 04, 2005 7:51 AMRe: Some good news> I find it interesting how many news articles keep repeating "not likeTerri"> as if repeating it will make it true. Or how they always say "died after> the feeding tube was removed" as though that negates the starving and the> dehydration.>> those are probably the same people that think the TX law is just peachythat> allows hospitals to give parents 72 hours to find another facility for> children or they'll pull the plug on them too WITHOUT parental consent!>> Lynda> -> heartwerk <heartwork> > Tuesday, May 03, 2005 11:42 PM> Some good news>>> > Fireman's recovery stuns doctors> >> > Herbert (left) has lived in a nursing home for more than seven years.> > US doctors are trying to find out why a severely brain-damaged man> > has suddenly started to speak after nearly 10 years.> > Donald Herbert, 43, a firefighter, was badly injured in a house fire> > in 1995 and was deprived of oxygen for several minutes before being> > rescued.> >> > He was in a coma for more than two months, and since then he has been> > blind, barely able to speak and unable to recognise family and> > friends.> >> > But at the weekend he spoke lucidly with his wife and family for 14> > hours.> >> > He has since maintained his recovery.> >> > Medical experts say it is almost unheard of for patients to recover> > from such severe brain injuries after so many years.> >> > A news conference on Mr Herbert's condition is scheduled for> > Wednesday.> >> > 'Three months'> >> > The firefighter was injured when the roof of a burning house> > collapsed on him in December 1995. He was left without of oxygen for> > sev eral minutes.> >> > He has been in a nursing home in the city of Buffalo, in New York> > state, for more than seven years.> >> > But on Saturday he suddenly asked for his wife Linda and chatted with> > her, his four sons and other family until he fell asleep on Sunday> > morning.> >> > His uncle, Simon Manka, told AP news agency he thought he had only> > been away for three months.> >> > Not like Schiavo> >> > Experts say there are several possible reasons for the change.> >> > His brain may have been impaired by some condition, other than the> > injury itself, which was successfully dealt with.> >> > A change in medication might also have brought about an improvement.> >> > There have been several other similar cases of brain recovery in the> > US.> & gt;> > Arkansas car accident victim Terry Wallis woke up two years ago after> > 19 years in a coma and began speaking to his family.> >> > And Tennessee police officer Gary Dockery, paralysed and mute after a> > shooting in 1988, started speaking again eight years later. He died> > of a blood clot on the lung in 1997.> >> > None of the victims were in a persistent vegetative state like Terri> > Schiavo, the brain-damaged woman who died last month after her> > feeding tube was removed.> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > To send an email to - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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