Guest guest Posted May 5, 2005 Report Share Posted May 5, 2005 Hey, so what do you think is better, to feed my cats factory farmed meat, which is where Iam's catfood most likely comes from, or to let them hunt. Only one of my cat's hunt, and I don't like him doing this, i.e.: bird and mouse parts around the yard, and he's gotten worms in the past. But if I don't let him outside he will MEOOOOOOOOOWWWW so much that I would go completley nuts. When he wants out I let him out, or I know what I'm in for. MEOWWWWWWWW MROOOWWW. All night long. I could feed them organic meats....$$$$$$$$ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2005 Report Share Posted May 5, 2005 how about vegan cat food? of course..be real careful you get the right brand, that has all the nutrients (like taurine) a cat needs... as for the cat crying..i hear ya but...again..look at it this way kittie paws is yer responsibility, correct? you raised him/her(assuming), you've taken said kitty under yer care... if yer child was screaming he wanted to go out and be left unattended..would you? just a thought... Jeff May 5, 2005 1:56 PM Re: Question About Chickens, (cats) Hey, so what do you think is better, to feed my cats factory farmed meat, which is where Iam's catfood most likely comes from, or to let them hunt. Only one of my cat's hunt, and I don't like him doing this, i.e.: bird and mouse parts around the yard, and he's gotten worms in the past. But if I don't let him outside he will MEOOOOOOOOOWWWW so much that I would go completley nuts. When he wants out I let him out, or I know what I'm in for. MEOWWWWWWWW MROOOWWW. All night long.I could feed them organic meats....$$$$$$$$To send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2005 Report Share Posted May 5, 2005 I wouldn't suggest Iams at all as they experiment on dogs and cats, and the conditions they are kept in are disgraceful. Let him out when he wants to go but put a collar on him with a nice tinkly bell so that the birds and mice know he is around and stand a fair chance of getting to safety. I think cats have worms most of the time don't they - or is it some other organism that people can catch from cats that causes blindness? There are vegan catfoods that have everything in them that cats require, including Taurine, I believe. It would be worth trying that - of course, it appears that some cats don't like it - but it would be worth a go. Jo > Hey, so what do you think is better, to feed my cats factory farmed > meat, which is where Iam's catfood most likely comes from, or to let > them hunt. Only one of my cat's hunt, and I don't like him doing this, > i.e.: bird and mouse parts around the yard, and he's gotten worms in > the past. But if I don't let him outside he will MEOOOOOOOOOWWWW so > much that I would go completley nuts. When he wants out I let him out, > or I know what I'm in for. MEOWWWWWWWW MROOOWWW. All night long. > > I could feed them organic meats....$$$$$$$$ > > > > > > To send an email to - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2005 Report Share Posted May 5, 2005 On Thu, 5 May 2005, Jeff wrote: > Hey, so what do you think is better, to feed my cats factory farmed > meat, which is where Iam's catfood most likely comes from, or to let > them hunt. Neither. I would not assume responsibility for the care of an animal that needed to be fed other animnals. I feed carefully formulated, veterinarian-approved vegan diets to my cats and dogs. The dogs get a mix of Natural Balance and Nature's Recipe vegetarian formulas, and the cats get a mix of Vegecat (foods I make at home using the Vegecat supplement) and Evolution. It's unquestionably more work and more expensive than sacrificing other animals' lives to feed my companions. But I believe those other animals' lives are worth the cost. Jim Sinclair jisincla Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2005 Report Share Posted May 5, 2005 i think yer thinking of Toxoplasmosis..which is caused by a protozoa... all in all..its pretty rare..but, the cats(wild and domestic) are the only place i believe it can carry out its life cycle completely... Jo Cwazy May 5, 2005 2:06 PM Re: Re: Question About Chickens, (cats) I wouldn't suggest Iams at all as they experiment on dogs and cats, and theconditions they are kept in are disgraceful.Let him out when he wants to go but put a collar on him with a nice tinklybell so that the birds and mice know he is around and stand a fair chance ofgetting to safety.I think cats have worms most of the time don't they - or is it some otherorganism that people can catch from cats that causes blindness?There are vegan catfoods that have everything in them that cats require,including Taurine, I believe. It would be worth trying that - of course, itappears that some cats don't like it - but it would be worth a go.Jo> Hey, so what do you think is better, to feed my cats factory farmed> meat, which is where Iam's catfood most likely comes from, or to let> them hunt. Only one of my cat's hunt, and I don't like him doing this,> i.e.: bird and mouse parts around the yard, and he's gotten worms in> the past. But if I don't let him outside he will MEOOOOOOOOOWWWW so> much that I would go completley nuts. When he wants out I let him out,> or I know what I'm in for. MEOWWWWWWWW MROOOWWW. All night long.>> I could feed them organic meats....$$$$$$$$>>>>>> To send an email to - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2005 Report Share Posted May 5, 2005 On Thu, 5 May 2005, Jo Cwazy wrote: > Let him out when he wants to go but put a collar on him with a nice tinkly > bell so that the birds and mice know he is around and stand a fair chance of > getting to safety. That might be all right for the birds and mice, but what's going to protect the cat from getting hit by cars or finding and eating rat poison or getting attacked by other free-roaming animals or catching FIV from another cat or getting tortured to death by human sadists or....? > I think cats have worms most of the time don't they - or is it some other > organism that people can catch from cats that causes blindness? Oh yes, and then there's the issuer of parasites. Cats that are properly treated for any existing parasites and then kept indoors do *not* have intestinal worms, or fleas, or ear mites. Cats that go outdoors are likely to pick up all three types of parasites, and then bring them home with them. Some of these parasites will happily jump from feline to human host. Jim Sinclair jisincla Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2005 Report Share Posted May 5, 2005 Sorry Fraggle - I hadn't realised it was rare - good thing it is. Jo - fraggle Thursday, May 05, 2005 10:12 PM Re: Re: Question About Chickens, (cats) i think yer thinking of Toxoplasmosis..which is caused by a protozoa... all in all..its pretty rare..but, the cats(wild and domestic) are the only place i believe it can carry out its life cycle completely... Jo Cwazy May 5, 2005 2:06 PM Re: Re: Question About Chickens, (cats) I wouldn't suggest Iams at all as they experiment on dogs and cats, and theconditions they are kept in are disgraceful.Let him out when he wants to go but put a collar on him with a nice tinklybell so that the birds and mice know he is around and stand a fair chance ofgetting to safety.I think cats have worms most of the time don't they - or is it some otherorganism that people can catch from cats that causes blindness?There are vegan catfoods that have everything in them that cats require,including Taurine, I believe. It would be worth trying that - of course, itappears that some cats don't like it - but it would be worth a go.Jo> Hey, so what do you think is better, to feed my cats factory farmed> meat, which is where Iam's catfood most likely comes from, or to let> them hunt. Only one of my cat's hunt, and I don't like him doing this,> i.e.: bird and mouse parts around the yard, and he's gotten worms in> the past. But if I don't let him outside he will MEOOOOOOOOOWWWW so> much that I would go completley nuts. When he wants out I let him out,> or I know what I'm in for. MEOWWWWWWWW MROOOWWW. All night long.>> I could feed them organic meats....$$$$$$$$>>>>>> To send an email to - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2005 Report Share Posted May 5, 2005 Well as I don't have cats I hadn't thought of these - and it was the birds and mice I was worrying about. Jo > That might be all right for the birds and mice, but what's going to > protect the cat from getting hit by cars or finding and eating rat poison > or getting attacked by other free-roaming animals or catching FIV from > another cat or getting tortured to death by human sadists or....? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2005 Report Share Posted May 5, 2005 nuthin to be sorry about Jo Cwazy May 5, 2005 2:26 PM Re: Re: Question About Chickens, (cats) Sorry Fraggle - I hadn't realised it was rare - good thing it is. Jo - fraggle Thursday, May 05, 2005 10:12 PM Re: Re: Question About Chickens, (cats) i think yer thinking of Toxoplasmosis..which is caused by a protozoa... all in all..its pretty rare..but, the cats(wild and domestic) are the only place i believe it can carry out its life cycle completely... Jo Cwazy May 5, 2005 2:06 PM Re: Re: Question About Chickens, (cats) I wouldn't suggest Iams at all as they experiment on dogs and cats, and theconditions they are kept in are disgraceful.Let him out when he wants to go but put a collar on him with a nice tinklybell so that the birds and mice know he is around and stand a fair chance ofgetting to safety.I think cats have worms most of the time don't they - or is it some otherorganism that people can catch from cats that causes blindness?There are vegan catfoods that have everything in them that cats require,including Taurine, I believe. It would be worth trying that - of course, itappears that some cats don't like it - but it would be worth a go.Jo> Hey, so what do you think is better, to feed my cats factory farmed> meat, which is where Iam's catfood most likely comes from, or to let> them hunt. Only one of my cat's hunt, and I don't like him doing this,> i.e.: bird and mouse parts around the yard, and he's gotten worms in> the past. But if I don't let him outside he will MEOOOOOOOOOWWWW so> much that I would go completley nuts. When he wants out I let him out,> or I know what I'm in for. MEOWWWWWWWW MROOOWWW. All night long.>> I could feed them organic meats....$$$$$$$$>>>>>> To send an email to - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2005 Report Share Posted May 5, 2005 Hi Jeff > Hey, so what do you think is better, to feed my cats factory farmed > meat, which is where Iam's catfood most likely comes from, or to let > them hunt. I don't know enough about cats nutritional requirements, but I'd certainly advise *against* using Iams under any circumstances - they are heavily involved in vivisection. BB Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2005 Report Share Posted May 5, 2005 Hi Peter Yeah, I've heard bad things about Iams too. I've just haven't taken the innitiative to find a better food source... Vegecat... Hmmm, I don't know. Cats are carnis, dogs are omnis. Cat's rarely eat vegetation in the wild other than the partially digested food of thier prey, and maybe the odd nibble of grass. They are born carnivores. Humans, I believe it's our compassion and logic that makes us vegans. My cats arn't compassionate towards animals lower on the food chain. It's their instinct to kill them, that's why I think they should eat meat, regardless of the nutrional compounds of a vegan cat food. I don't think it's the instict of a human to kill in order to eat. Those who do kill food to eat it have just been brainwashed by society and their peers into thinking it's they way things should be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2005 Report Share Posted May 6, 2005 i partially agree but.. the cat is in yer care, correct? yer responsibilty? if you can feed it a healthy diet without causing harm/suffering to another creature, then why bother giving it dead flesh? we aren't talking lions out in Namibia..we are talking about the little thing that sits on yer lap and purrs Jeff May 5, 2005 3:52 PM Re: Question About Chickens, (cats) Hi PeterYeah, I've heard bad things about Iams too. I've just haven't taken the innitiative to find a better food source... Vegecat... Hmmm, I don't know. Cats are carnis, dogs are omnis. Cat's rarely eat vegetation in the wild other than the partially digested food of thier prey, and maybe the odd nibble of grass. They are born carnivores. Humans, I believe it's our compassion and logic that makes us vegans. My cats arn't compassionate towards animals lower on the food chain. It's their instinct to kill them, that's why I think they should eat meat, regardless of the nutrional compounds of a vegan cat food. I don't think it's the instict of a human to kill in order to eat. Those who do kill food to eat it have just been brainwashed by society and their peers into thinking it's they way things should be.To send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2005 Report Share Posted May 6, 2005 I know people who feed their cats on vegan food, and the cats are healthy and happy. One friend had a vegan dog, even though the owners were meat-eaters. They said the dog smelled better on a vegan diet. The dog was lovely, and lived to be 21 years. Some people argue that humans are meant to be omnivores but it isn't true. Jo - " Jeff " <jeffdevine8 Thursday, May 05, 2005 11:52 PM Re: Question About Chickens, (cats) > Hi Peter > > Yeah, I've heard bad things about Iams too. I've just haven't taken > the innitiative to find a better food source... Vegecat... Hmmm, I > don't know. Cats are carnis, dogs are omnis. Cat's rarely eat > vegetation in the wild other than the partially digested food of thier > prey, and maybe the odd nibble of grass. They are born carnivores. > Humans, I believe it's our compassion and logic that makes us vegans. > My cats arn't compassionate towards animals lower on the food chain. > It's their instinct to kill them, that's why I think they should eat > meat, regardless of the nutrional compounds of a vegan cat food. I > don't think it's the instict of a human to kill in order to eat. Those > who do kill food to eat it have just been brainwashed by society and > their peers into thinking it's they way things should be. > > > > > > To send an email to - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2005 Report Share Posted May 6, 2005 Okay, fine. You're probably right. Vegan cat food is just so expensive! I wander if I could cook it my self. I am school in culinary arts you know. Call me Chef Jeff!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2005 Report Share Posted May 6, 2005 try www.vegancats.com On Behalf Of JeffFriday, May 06, 2005 4:56 AM Subject: Re: Question About Chickens, (cats)Hey, so what do you think is better, to feed my cats factory farmed meat, which is where Iam's catfood most likely comes from, or to let them hunt. Only one of my cat's hunt, and I don't like him doing this, i.e.: bird and mouse parts around the yard, and he's gotten worms in the past. But if I don't let him outside he will MEOOOOOOOOOWWWW so much that I would go completley nuts. When he wants out I let him out, or I know what I'm in for. MEOWWWWWWWW MROOOWWW. All night long.I could feed them organic meats....$$$$$$$$ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2005 Report Share Posted May 6, 2005 Iams, sponsors Hunting events, and the Iditarod (dog sled) competition. Iams and eukanuba are the same thing, both owned by Proctor and Gamble which heavily tests their detergents on animals. for more info; www.iamscruelty.com I used to feed my cats Iams, until I found out more about them. -anouk - Jeff 5/5/2005 5:01:31 PM Re: Question About Chickens, (cats) Hey, so what do you think is better, to feed my cats factory farmed meat, which is where Iam's catfood most likely comes from, or to let them hunt. Only one of my cat's hunt, and I don't like him doing this, i.e.: bird and mouse parts around the yard, and he's gotten worms in the past. But if I don't let him outside he will MEOOOOOOOOOWWWW so much that I would go completley nuts. When he wants out I let him out, or I know what I'm in for. MEOWWWWWWWW MROOOWWW. All night long.I could feed them organic meats....$$$$$$$$To send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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