intro and question

[Guest guest]

amadera656

 

Well, first of all, way to go! Pat yourself real hard on the back because

usually no one else standing around is going to do that for you...as far as

burning off the weight, the thing to do is to jump all over it with numbers.

Calories are the game in town and you'll want to keep up with how many you

are eating a day. Eat under the your female caloric requirement and you

should start to lose weight. I don't know how long it takes, but it doesn't

matter anyway, it's not about the weight, it's about a changing your life.

 

Avocados are very high in fat content. Sounds to me like you've got to get a

handle on the calories. If you are exercising and still not losing weight,

then you are not burning anything off.

 

I was 180 lbs. in January and now I'm 164. I wasn't even trying to lose

weight. Focus your attention on the right foods, meal plans and surround

yourself with supportive people via the forum here if you have to. YOU CAN

DO IT!!!

 

Damn, you should get a medal for just taking care of a three and six year

old.

 

Jesse

Connecticut

30 year vegetarian: 103 days total raw and going strong.

 

-

" amadera656 " <amadera656

<rawfood >

Thursday, April 22, 2004 6:54 PM

[Raw Food] intro and question

 

 

> Hello to all~

> I am new to this list. I am a mom to two boys, a three year old

> and a six year old. I have huge food issues. I am very overweight. I

> am 5'4 and weigh around 240.

[Guest guest]

Angela,

 

You can make huge progress. Best would be to buy Frederic Patenaude's " Raw

Secrets " . Joel Fuhrman on " Eat to Live " is good especially for those who

want to lose weight through diet. He advocates steaming vegetables and a

few other weird notions which are in conflict with the science he preaches

but that does not detract from the high respect which I hold for this

learned Doctor.

 

They both are cheap to buy and light up the whole scene about where you are

going wrong and give full explanation. As I see it you will have a long

period of detoxification but as you progress the improvement will motivate

more action until you are nearer half your current weight. Life will be

utterly transformed. Better sleep will be but a tiny fraction of the good

things that are to come.

 

Peter

 

 

 

 

amadera656 [amadera656]

23 April 2004 00:55

rawfood

[Raw Food] intro and question

 

 

 

Hello to all~

I am new to this list. I am a mom to two boys, a three year old

and a six year old. I have huge food issues. I am very overweight. I

am 5'4 and weigh around 240. For Lent I decided to give up cooked

foods (Lent is 40 days) for the duration of Lent. I did it. I

noticed somethings right away like my sleep changed. I fell asleep

easier, slept all the way through and needed less sleep than ever

before. I havent lost very much weight though. The week before Lent

was over I weighed and had lost 4 lbs. I decided not to weigh again

because it wasnt supposed to be about that for me.. it was supposed

to be a spiritual movement in my life. I noticed right away that I

had more energy and was happier. And even happier on the days when I

ate really light. Anyway, Lent is over and I am trying out this

thing where I eat raw Mon through Sat and eat cooked foods on Sun.

Its been ..I dont know...two or three weeks of this. I think two.

Anyway, now that Lent is over I am feeling okay in wondering why I

am not losing any weight. I do eat raw cheese, avocados and

dates..high fat and sugar respectively. So..I find myself thinking

is something is wrong with me? I recently started walking and taking

kelp tablets to jump start my metabolism. But I am stumped. I had a

diet before that consisted of lots of fake soy meat, breads, pastas,

rice, beans...

Any feedback would be lovely

~Angela

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Yeah, that whole " walk through fire " detox will kick you in the butt,

thought not that hard if you have the group to bounce questions off of.

 

Jess

-

" Peter Gardiner " <petergardiner

<rawfood >

Friday, April 23, 2004 1:46 AM

RE: [Raw Food] intro and question

 

 

> Angela,

>

> You can make huge progress. >snip>

[Guest guest]

Thank you Peter. I really hope to make some progress. The weird thing is that

the more types of food I eat in a day the more I have cooked food cravings. For

some reason if I stick to salads and apples I am just fine. I heard Dr Fuhrman

on Pacifica the other day and was so intrigued. Im going to get the book

thanks again

Angela

 

Peter Gardiner <petergardiner wrote:

Angela,

 

You can make huge progress. Best would be to buy Frederic Patenaude's " Raw

Secrets " . Joel Fuhrman on " Eat to Live " is good especially for those who

want to lose weight through diet. He advocates steaming vegetables and a

few other weird notions which are in conflict with the science he preaches

but that does not detract from the high respect which I hold for this

learned Doctor.

 

They both are cheap to buy and light up the whole scene about where you are

going wrong and give full explanation. As I see it you will have a long

period of detoxification but as you progress the improvement will motivate

more action until you are nearer half your current weight. Life will be

utterly transformed. Better sleep will be but a tiny fraction of the good

things that are to come.

 

Peter

 

 

 

 

amadera656 [amadera656]

23 April 2004 00:55

rawfood

[Raw Food] intro and question

 

 

 

Hello to all~

I am new to this list. I am a mom to two boys, a three year old

and a six year old. I have huge food issues. I am very overweight. I

am 5'4 and weigh around 240. For Lent I decided to give up cooked

foods (Lent is 40 days) for the duration of Lent. I did it. I

noticed somethings right away like my sleep changed. I fell asleep

easier, slept all the way through and needed less sleep than ever

before. I havent lost very much weight though. The week before Lent

was over I weighed and had lost 4 lbs. I decided not to weigh again

because it wasnt supposed to be about that for me.. it was supposed

to be a spiritual movement in my life. I noticed right away that I

had more energy and was happier. And even happier on the days when I

ate really light. Anyway, Lent is over and I am trying out this

thing where I eat raw Mon through Sat and eat cooked foods on Sun.

Its been ..I dont know...two or three weeks of this. I think two.

Anyway, now that Lent is over I am feeling okay in wondering why I

am not losing any weight. I do eat raw cheese, avocados and

dates..high fat and sugar respectively. So..I find myself thinking

is something is wrong with me? I recently started walking and taking

kelp tablets to jump start my metabolism. But I am stumped. I had a

diet before that consisted of lots of fake soy meat, breads, pastas,

rice, beans...

Any feedback would be lovely

~Angela

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi Jesse

Thank you for the feedback. You know..I honestly never thought

about counting calories. I guess I thought raw=weight loss

automatically. But I will keep a closer eye on calories. The

avocados and dates and young coconuts add up I am sure.

Thanks so much

~Angela

 

 

rawfood , studio53 <studio53@o...> wrote:

> amadera656

>

> Well, first of all, way to go! Pat yourself real hard on the back

because

> usually no one else standing around is going to do that for

you...as far as

> burning off the weight, the thing to do is to jump all over it

with numbers.

> Calories are the game in town and you'll want to keep up with how

many you

> are eating a day.

[Guest guest]

What is the 'walk through fire' detox, have I missed something?

 

Have the best day ever!

Deborah

[Guest guest]

Detox can be really rough when transitioning from cooked to raw. You can get

real sick and either give up or you ahead through the " ring of fire " until

you come out the other side and feel wonderful. Some people get through this

with no problem and it's really hard for others.

 

Jesse

 

-

<deb

<rawfood >

Saturday, April 24, 2004 12:35 AM

Re: [Raw Food] intro and question

 

 

> What is the 'walk through fire' detox, have I missed something?

>

> Have the best day ever!

> Deborah

[Guest guest]

Trish, I had a cat that ate meat (obviously) and I waited for what seemed like years for that cat to die so I could rid my house of smelly animal products. The cat had a stroke and became totally helpless but aware. For two weeks I cared for her and came to appreciate how much she loved and depended on me. I discussed everything with her and tried to explain why I had been so horrible toward her and how the outside world sometimes steals joy. In short, don't wait until it's too late to realize how much you love your family. Also, stay strong in your own individual path. That's my best advice.

[Guest guest]

Thanks for your thought Larry, it must have been very sad to lose your cat.

 

I guess parenting is always a difficult balancing act and I certainly don't want to alienate my son because of our differing beliefs. You've reminded me of the importance of tolerance and I shall try to put it into practice even when I occasionally have to smell dead animal in my kitchen (YUK).

 

Trish

 

-----

Trish, I had a cat that ate meat (obviously) and I waited for what seemed like years for that cat to die so I could rid my house of smelly animal products. The cat had a stroke and became totally helpless but aware. For two weeks I cared for her and came to appreciate how much she loved and depended on me. I discussed everything with her and tried to explain why I had been so horrible toward her and how the outside world sometimes steals joy. In short, don't wait until it's too late to realize how much you love your family. Also, stay strong in your own individual path. That's my best advice.

[Guest guest]

Hi Trish,

 

I currently live with 2 carnivores, my hubby and my son (6), so I

understand where you are coming from with the not wanting meat in

the house. I however have no choice on the matter. My hubby was and

is great in supporting my choice on being Vegan and asks nothing in

return except that I support him. So I do. Don't get me wrong, I

sway the, to my side at times with some great dishes, but not nearly

enough.

 

I think that allowing your son to make a choice of having meat once

a week is a good one. NOT that I would like it, NOT that I promote

it, just that if he doesn't have it and still wants it, he's liable

to go out and grab McDonalds or something. And at the very least if

he is eating it in the house, you know it is healthier and he sees

that you are working with him on it. The cravings may be worse if he

is banned from it all together. Besides, with it once a week, he may

find that he actually does not want it at all. plus he may get tired

of cooking for himself too!

 

Before last week my house was filled with meats, cheeses, butters,

and every food imaginable that would be a Vegan's worse nightmare.

Then something unfortunate (and quite fortunate) happened.

 

The hubby got is cholesterol test back and it was fine. But the

triglycerides were not! Good is a count of 150, moderate is 300, the

worst rating on the scale is 500-600. My darling has 1200! This is

pure stroke material and the man is only turning 41 in 2 weeks. So

now in his new low-fat diet, a lot of my nightmares are out of the

house.

 

I don't like that he is at 1200, but it sure is a learning

experience for him!

 

So I guess what I am trying to say is that I think you are strong to

bend as I know it is not easy to do. But in the long run I think it

is better. The more restrictions you put on them, the more they will

want it.

 

Nikki

 

 

, " Garry Whatley " <gwhatley@b...>

wrote:

> Hi All,

> I'm a homeschooling mum to one 14 year old young man and

have been a vegetarian for about 5 years and a full vegan only a

couple of months (cheese was my last remaining vice to go). My son

happily eats 'veggie' meals but is increasingly rumbling that he

wishes we ate 'normally' (eat meat). I've said that I will buy him

meat once a week and he can cook it himself but I have to admit that

I am disappointed and not sure if I'm doing the right thing. I don't

really want dead animal in my house.

>

> I would say that I'm pretty health conscious so we don't

do fatty take-always and I make our own bread, cookies, ice-cream,

cakes etc. My husband eats vegan at home but I know occasionally he

will have fish if out with other people and he still eats meat when

he eats with his parents.

>

> I would love to hear the advice of others as I'm not really sure

how to handle this situation as I would dearly love my son to be

vegan/vegetarian but don't want to turn him off and I'm the one that

introduced him to the taste of meat in the first place. Sigh!!!!

>

> Any ideas?????

>

> Trish

[Guest guest]

Hi Nikki

 

Sorry to hear about your hubby's triglycerides. It is good that he

had the tests though, and can now 'see the error of his ways'. It

might just encourage him to eat less animal products. Good luck.

 

Jo

 

, " nikki_mackovitch "

<nikkimack@m...> wrote:

> Hi Trish,

>

> I currently live with 2 carnivores, my hubby and my son (6), so I

> understand where you are coming from with the not wanting meat in

> the house. I however have no choice on the matter. My hubby was and

> is great in supporting my choice on being Vegan and asks nothing in

> return except that I support him. So I do. Don't get me wrong, I

> sway the, to my side at times with some great dishes, but not

nearly

> enough.

>

> I think that allowing your son to make a choice of having meat once

> a week is a good one. NOT that I would like it, NOT that I promote

> it, just that if he doesn't have it and still wants it, he's liable

> to go out and grab McDonalds or something. And at the very least if

> he is eating it in the house, you know it is healthier and he sees

> that you are working with him on it. The cravings may be worse if

he

> is banned from it all together. Besides, with it once a week, he

may

> find that he actually does not want it at all. plus he may get

tired

> of cooking for himself too!

>

> Before last week my house was filled with meats, cheeses, butters,

> and every food imaginable that would be a Vegan's worse nightmare.

> Then something unfortunate (and quite fortunate) happened.

>

> The hubby got is cholesterol test back and it was fine. But the

> triglycerides were not! Good is a count of 150, moderate is 300,

the

> worst rating on the scale is 500-600. My darling has 1200! This is

> pure stroke material and the man is only turning 41 in 2 weeks. So

> now in his new low-fat diet, a lot of my nightmares are out of the

> house.

>

> I don't like that he is at 1200, but it sure is a learning

> experience for him!

>

> So I guess what I am trying to say is that I think you are strong

to

> bend as I know it is not easy to do. But in the long run I think it

> is better. The more restrictions you put on them, the more they

will

> want it.

>

> Nikki

>

>

> , " Garry Whatley " <gwhatley@b...>

> wrote:

> > Hi All,

> > I'm a homeschooling mum to one 14 year old young man and

> have been a vegetarian for about 5 years and a full vegan only a

> couple of months (cheese was my last remaining vice to go). My son

> happily eats 'veggie' meals but is increasingly rumbling that he

> wishes we ate 'normally' (eat meat). I've said that I will buy him

> meat once a week and he can cook it himself but I have to admit

that

> I am disappointed and not sure if I'm doing the right thing. I

don't

> really want dead animal in my house.

> >

> > I would say that I'm pretty health conscious so we don't

> do fatty take-always and I make our own bread, cookies, ice-cream,

> cakes etc. My husband eats vegan at home but I know occasionally he

> will have fish if out with other people and he still eats meat when

> he eats with his parents.

> >

> > I would love to hear the advice of others as I'm not really sure

> how to handle this situation as I would dearly love my son to be

> vegan/vegetarian but don't want to turn him off and I'm the one

that

> introduced him to the taste of meat in the first place. Sigh!!!!

> >

> > Any ideas?????

> >

> > Trish

[Guest guest]

HI Nikki,

Thanks for the advice. I guess I know in my heart that at some point even mother's have to let their children make their own choices. My son cooked dinner tonight and did some great steamed Chinese veggies with ginger, shallots and garlic. As we were eating and chatting I really felt pretty good about the decision to let him cook meat at home once a week. He's a great kid and I want him to have his own opinions and make decisions so I guess I'll just have to live with this one.

 

Gosh, I'm sorry to hear that your husbands triglycerides are less than great but sometimes we do need a health jolt to get us on track. My jolt came after watching my dad die of heart disease, it certainly made me very aware that without our health our lives can be seriously compromised. I wish your family all the best and hope your husband can get things back under control.

 

Trish (feeling much more like bending at the moment).

 

 

Hi Trish,I currently live with 2 carnivores, I think that allowing your son to make a choice of having meat once a week is a good one. NOT that I would like it, NOT that I promote it, just that if he doesn't have it and still wants it, he's liable to go out and grab . Besides, with it once a week, he may find that he actually does not want it at all. plus he may get tired of cooking for himself too! :)The hubby got is cholesterol test back and it was fine. But the triglycerides were not! Good is a count of 150, moderate is 300, the worst rating on the scale is 500-600. My darling has 1200! This is pure stroke material and the man is only turning 41 in 2 weeks. So now in his new low-fat diet, a lot of my nightmares are out of the house.I don't like that he is at 1200, but it sure is a learning experience for him!So I guess what I am trying to say is that I think you are strong to bend as I know it is not easy to do. But in the long run I think it is better. The more restrictions you put on them, the more they will want it. Nikki

[Guest guest]

Hi Jo

 

Thank you, so are we! But partially I am glad (terrible of me I

know) because it is also showing him what the foods he eats is doing

to his system and what it could do to Zak in the long run. I just

wish it would show him with a little lower count.

 

He has completely revamped his diet and luckily there are alot less

meat and dairy products in the house. The problem now is finding

things that he can eat and then things he is willing to eat. The

list of high-fat foods is amazing! And even the low-fat percentage

ones add up. One tablespoon of soy butter is 14% and Olive oil is

even worse.

 

But I must say I am proud of him, he is doing a great job with it

and I know that it is very hard on him.

 

And then there is the selfish side of me that is incredibly happy I

no longer have to smell bacon and eggs in the morning!!!

 

Nikki

 

 

, " heartwerk " <heartwork@c...>

wrote:

> Hi Nikki

>

> Sorry to hear about your hubby's triglycerides. It is good that

he

> had the tests though, and can now 'see the error of his ways'. It

> might just encourage him to eat less animal products. Good luck.

>

> Jo

>

> , " nikki_mackovitch "

> <nikkimack@m...> wrote:

> > Hi Trish,

> >

> > I currently live with 2 carnivores, my hubby and my son (6), so

I

> > understand where you are coming from with the not wanting meat

in

> > the house. I however have no choice on the matter. My hubby was

and

> > is great in supporting my choice on being Vegan and asks nothing

in

> > return except that I support him. So I do. Don't get me wrong, I

> > sway the, to my side at times with some great dishes, but not

> nearly

> > enough.

> >

> > I think that allowing your son to make a choice of having meat

once

> > a week is a good one. NOT that I would like it, NOT that I

promote

> > it, just that if he doesn't have it and still wants it, he's

liable

> > to go out and grab McDonalds or something. And at the very least

if

> > he is eating it in the house, you know it is healthier and he

sees

> > that you are working with him on it. The cravings may be worse

if

> he

> > is banned from it all together. Besides, with it once a week, he

> may

> > find that he actually does not want it at all. plus he may get

> tired

> > of cooking for himself too!

> >

> > Before last week my house was filled with meats, cheeses,

butters,

> > and every food imaginable that would be a Vegan's worse

nightmare.

> > Then something unfortunate (and quite fortunate) happened.

> >

> > The hubby got is cholesterol test back and it was fine. But the

> > triglycerides were not! Good is a count of 150, moderate is 300,

> the

> > worst rating on the scale is 500-600. My darling has 1200! This

is

> > pure stroke material and the man is only turning 41 in 2 weeks.

So

> > now in his new low-fat diet, a lot of my nightmares are out of

the

> > house.

> >

> > I don't like that he is at 1200, but it sure is a learning

> > experience for him!

> >

> > So I guess what I am trying to say is that I think you are

strong

> to

> > bend as I know it is not easy to do. But in the long run I think

it

> > is better. The more restrictions you put on them, the more they

> will

> > want it.

> >

> > Nikki

> >

> >

> > , " Garry Whatley "

<gwhatley@b...>

> > wrote:

> > > Hi All,

> > > I'm a homeschooling mum to one 14 year old young man

and

> > have been a vegetarian for about 5 years and a full vegan only a

> > couple of months (cheese was my last remaining vice to go). My

son

> > happily eats 'veggie' meals but is increasingly rumbling that he

> > wishes we ate 'normally' (eat meat). I've said that I will buy

him

> > meat once a week and he can cook it himself but I have to admit

> that

> > I am disappointed and not sure if I'm doing the right thing. I

> don't

> > really want dead animal in my house.

> > >

> > > I would say that I'm pretty health conscious so we

don't

> > do fatty take-always and I make our own bread, cookies, ice-

cream,

> > cakes etc. My husband eats vegan at home but I know occasionally

he

> > will have fish if out with other people and he still eats meat

when

> > he eats with his parents.

> > >

> > > I would love to hear the advice of others as I'm not really

sure

> > how to handle this situation as I would dearly love my son to be

> > vegan/vegetarian but don't want to turn him off and I'm the one

> that

> > introduced him to the taste of meat in the first place. Sigh!!!!

> > >

> > > Any ideas?????

> > >

> > > Trish

[Guest guest]

Nikki, it really isn't how much fat as it is what kind of fat. Olive oil,

in moderation, is a good fat. I don't know about the soy butter but if it

has no trans fatty and isn't hydrogenated, then it isn't a " bad " fat either.

It wouldn't be a " good " fat but, again, in moderation, isn't " bad. " Flax

seed oil is also a good oil/fat. In fact, flax seed oil helps to reduce

cholesterol.

 

Lynda

-

nikki_mackovitch <nikkimack

 

Friday, July 01, 2005 5:54 AM

Re: Intro and question

 

 

> Hi Jo

>

> Thank you, so are we! But partially I am glad (terrible of me I

> know) because it is also showing him what the foods he eats is doing

> to his system and what it could do to Zak in the long run. I just

> wish it would show him with a little lower count.

>

> He has completely revamped his diet and luckily there are alot less

> meat and dairy products in the house. The problem now is finding

> things that he can eat and then things he is willing to eat. The

> list of high-fat foods is amazing! And even the low-fat percentage

> ones add up. One tablespoon of soy butter is 14% and Olive oil is

> even worse.

>

> But I must say I am proud of him, he is doing a great job with it

> and I know that it is very hard on him.

>

> And then there is the selfish side of me that is incredibly happy I

> no longer have to smell bacon and eggs in the morning!!!

>

> Nikki

[Guest guest]

Hi Nikki

 

It will probably take a week or two to know exactly what he will eat that is

okay. I could be wrong, but I thought olive oil was okay, even though fat,

as far as your cholesterol goes.

 

Good luck

 

Jo

-

" nikki_mackovitch " <nikkimack

 

Friday, July 01, 2005 1:54 PM

Re: Intro and question

 

 

> Hi Jo

>

> Thank you, so are we! But partially I am glad (terrible of me I

> know) because it is also showing him what the foods he eats is doing

> to his system and what it could do to Zak in the long run. I just

> wish it would show him with a little lower count.

>

> He has completely revamped his diet and luckily there are alot less

> meat and dairy products in the house. The problem now is finding

> things that he can eat and then things he is willing to eat. The

> list of high-fat foods is amazing! And even the low-fat percentage

> ones add up. One tablespoon of soy butter is 14% and Olive oil is

> even worse.

>

> But I must say I am proud of him, he is doing a great job with it

> and I know that it is very hard on him.

>

> And then there is the selfish side of me that is incredibly happy I

> no longer have to smell bacon and eggs in the morning!!!

>

> Nikki

>

>

> , " heartwerk " <heartwork@c...>

> wrote:

> > Hi Nikki

> >

> > Sorry to hear about your hubby's triglycerides. It is good that

> he

> > had the tests though, and can now 'see the error of his ways'. It

> > might just encourage him to eat less animal products. Good luck.

> >

> > Jo

> >

> > , " nikki_mackovitch "

> > <nikkimack@m...> wrote:

> > > Hi Trish,

> > >

> > > I currently live with 2 carnivores, my hubby and my son (6), so

> I

> > > understand where you are coming from with the not wanting meat

> in

> > > the house. I however have no choice on the matter. My hubby was

> and

> > > is great in supporting my choice on being Vegan and asks nothing

> in

> > > return except that I support him. So I do. Don't get me wrong, I

> > > sway the, to my side at times with some great dishes, but not

> > nearly

> > > enough.

> > >

> > > I think that allowing your son to make a choice of having meat

> once

> > > a week is a good one. NOT that I would like it, NOT that I

> promote

> > > it, just that if he doesn't have it and still wants it, he's

> liable

> > > to go out and grab McDonalds or something. And at the very least

> if

> > > he is eating it in the house, you know it is healthier and he

> sees

> > > that you are working with him on it. The cravings may be worse

> if

> > he

> > > is banned from it all together. Besides, with it once a week, he

> > may

> > > find that he actually does not want it at all. plus he may get

> > tired

> > > of cooking for himself too!

> > >

> > > Before last week my house was filled with meats, cheeses,

> butters,

> > > and every food imaginable that would be a Vegan's worse

> nightmare.

> > > Then something unfortunate (and quite fortunate) happened.

> > >

> > > The hubby got is cholesterol test back and it was fine. But the

> > > triglycerides were not! Good is a count of 150, moderate is 300,

> > the

> > > worst rating on the scale is 500-600. My darling has 1200! This

> is

> > > pure stroke material and the man is only turning 41 in 2 weeks.

> So

> > > now in his new low-fat diet, a lot of my nightmares are out of

> the

> > > house.

> > >

> > > I don't like that he is at 1200, but it sure is a learning

> > > experience for him!

> > >

> > > So I guess what I am trying to say is that I think you are

> strong

> > to

> > > bend as I know it is not easy to do. But in the long run I think

> it

> > > is better. The more restrictions you put on them, the more they

> > will

> > > want it.

> > >

> > > Nikki

> > >

> > >

> > > , " Garry Whatley "

> <gwhatley@b...>

> > > wrote:

> > > > Hi All,

> > > > I'm a homeschooling mum to one 14 year old young man

> and

> > > have been a vegetarian for about 5 years and a full vegan only a

> > > couple of months (cheese was my last remaining vice to go). My

> son

> > > happily eats 'veggie' meals but is increasingly rumbling that he

> > > wishes we ate 'normally' (eat meat). I've said that I will buy

> him

> > > meat once a week and he can cook it himself but I have to admit

> > that

> > > I am disappointed and not sure if I'm doing the right thing. I

> > don't

> > > really want dead animal in my house.

> > > >

> > > > I would say that I'm pretty health conscious so we

> don't

> > > do fatty take-always and I make our own bread, cookies, ice-

> cream,

> > > cakes etc. My husband eats vegan at home but I know occasionally

> he

> > > will have fish if out with other people and he still eats meat

> when

> > > he eats with his parents.

> > > >

> > > > I would love to hear the advice of others as I'm not really

> sure

> > > how to handle this situation as I would dearly love my son to be

> > > vegan/vegetarian but don't want to turn him off and I'm the one

> > that

> > > introduced him to the taste of meat in the first place. Sigh!!!!

> > > >

> > > > Any ideas?????

> > > >

> > > > Trish

>

>

>

>

> To send an email to -

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Trish,

 

I'm glad that I could help, even if only a little. It's never easy

watching your kids turn into people, and mine is not quite 7 yet and

I've already learned this. LOL

 

It's a hard decision and one that pulls on both ends. I don't like

what my family eats for the most part, but I support their choices

as they have mine.

 

Thank you very much for your kind words! I wish the best for you as

well!

 

Nikki

 

 

, " Garry Whatley " <gwhatley@b...>

wrote:

> HI Nikki,

> Thanks for the advice. I guess I know in my heart

that at some point even mother's have to let their children make

their own choices. My son cooked dinner tonight and did some great

steamed Chinese veggies with ginger, shallots and garlic. As we were

eating and chatting I really felt pretty good about the decision to

let him cook meat at home once a week. He's a great kid and I want

him to have his own opinions and make decisions so I guess I'll

just have to live with this one.

>

> Gosh, I'm sorry to hear that your husbands

triglycerides are less than great but sometimes we do need a health

jolt to get us on track. My jolt came after watching my dad die of

heart disease, it certainly made me very aware that without our

health our lives can be seriously compromised. I wish your family

all the best and hope your husband can get things back under control.

>

> Trish (feeling much more like bending at the moment).

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Lynda,

 

I agree, but the unfortunate part is that though related,

cholesterol and triglyceride diets are not the same.

 

According to my research, olive oil is completely out and so are

some of the good fats. And that amazed me too that olive oil was on

the absolute no list. But, I haven't seen flax oil yet so will have

to check on that. The problem is because his count is not just high,

but skyrocketed, a normal fat-free diet won't work. It has to be

almost no-fat at all.

 

And as a man who use to eat pretty much meat and potatoes, we are

losing a lot of ground. LOL

 

Nikki

 

 

, " Lynda " <lurine@s...> wrote:

> Nikki, it really isn't how much fat as it is what kind of fat.

Olive oil,

> in moderation, is a good fat. I don't know about the soy butter

but if it

> has no trans fatty and isn't hydrogenated, then it isn't a " bad "

fat either.

> It wouldn't be a " good " fat but, again, in moderation,

isn't " bad. " Flax

> seed oil is also a good oil/fat. In fact, flax seed oil helps to

reduce

> cholesterol.

>

> Lynda

[Guest guest]

Thx Jo!

 

I think so too. He's starting to get the hang of it now. And it's

funny too (well, sort of) because red meat is ok as long as almost fat

free, like sirloin. But then throw in the gout and that is out of the

picture.

 

Next comes the visit to the gastroenterologist next Thursday so we

shall see what he brings into the equation.

 

Poor guy! Looks like he better learn to like veggies!

 

BB

Nikki

 

 

, " Jo Cwazy " <heartwork@c...> wrote:

> Hi Nikki

>

> It will probably take a week or two to know exactly what he will eat

that is

> okay. I could be wrong, but I thought olive oil was okay, even

though fat,

> as far as your cholesterol goes.

>

> Good luck

>

> Jo

[Guest guest]

Nikki, is this diet recommended by your doc? I ask because my levels are

out of site but they didn't recommend going fat free. In fact, sort of the

opposite, in that I should change the fats in the diet. Then they got all

in a twitter to learn that I didn't eat red meat and hadn't for over 20

years. Then they decided I must be drinking milk. Really upset them to

know that I haven't had any milk to drink for over 50 years <g>

 

At anyrate, I was told it was more important to eat a diabetic diet because

it is the wrong kind of carbs (simple carbs) that turn into triglycerides

(gluocose is converted to trigylcerides).

 

The Syndrome X Diet is a good one and the Zone is the other one, I think.

 

I talked to a couple of local docs (one a heart specialist). They know I'm

anti-pharmaceuticals (have reactions to just about everything) and they

suggested I look up the Harvard study and a few others. With that, I talked

to the docs again they recommend Omega 3 fats, vitamin C and a low

carbohydrate diet. Niacin, red rice yeast, flax seed, green tea extract,

oats, dietary fiber or Metamucil, and Guggulipid Extract.

 

The nos were cut the saturated fats (animal) and NO trans fatty acids or

hydrogenated oils which kind of puts the kabosh on any prepackaged foods or

fast foods and no alcohol. (You'll notice that I didn't mention the fish

oil <g>) I don't smoke, so they said I didn't have to worry about that.

Although, I never did figure out how smoking effects tri levels but they say

it does.

 

One of the biggies is exercise. Exercise and lossing weight will drop the

trigycerides down a good chunk.

 

Lynda

 

 

-

nikki_mackovitch <nikkimack

 

Friday, July 01, 2005 12:11 PM

Re: Intro and question

 

 

> Hi Lynda,

>

> I agree, but the unfortunate part is that though related,

> cholesterol and triglyceride diets are not the same.

>

> According to my research, olive oil is completely out and so are

> some of the good fats. And that amazed me too that olive oil was on

> the absolute no list. But, I haven't seen flax oil yet so will have

> to check on that. The problem is because his count is not just high,

> but skyrocketed, a normal fat-free diet won't work. It has to be

> almost no-fat at all.

>

> And as a man who use to eat pretty much meat and potatoes, we are

> losing a lot of ground. LOL

>

> Nikki

>

>

> , " Lynda " <lurine@s...> wrote:

> > Nikki, it really isn't how much fat as it is what kind of fat.

> Olive oil,

> > in moderation, is a good fat. I don't know about the soy butter

> but if it

> > has no trans fatty and isn't hydrogenated, then it isn't a " bad "

> fat either.

> > It wouldn't be a " good " fat but, again, in moderation,

> isn't " bad. " Flax

> > seed oil is also a good oil/fat. In fact, flax seed oil helps to

> reduce

> > cholesterol.

> >

> > Lynda

>

>

>

>

>

> To send an email to -

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Lynda,

 

The Dr. recommended he go low-fat, not fat-free, but it is amazing

how much the fat grams add up even in low-fat foods. DH swears he

never mentioned exercise, but I find that hard to believe!

 

The smoking thing I did not know about though, thank you. DH does

smoke so I will have to look into that.

 

I have a meeting with a homeopath this weekend, runs my local

crystal store, so I am going to see what is recommended there. And

then off to the library.

 

I think at this point I need to make DH a chart too so he can log

what he is eating and the fat intake. Because I am worried he is not

getting enough nutrients and under-doing it.

 

Thx for all the help! It's greatly appreciated!

 

Nikki

 

 

, " Lynda " <lurine@s...> wrote:

> Nikki, is this diet recommended by your doc? I ask because my

levels are

> out of site but they didn't recommend going fat free. In fact,

sort of the

> opposite, in that I should change the fats in the diet. Then they

got all

> in a twitter to learn that I didn't eat red meat and hadn't for

over 20

> years. Then they decided I must be drinking milk. Really upset

them to

> know that I haven't had any milk to drink for over 50 years <g>

>

> At anyrate, I was told it was more important to eat a diabetic

diet because

> it is the wrong kind of carbs (simple carbs) that turn into

triglycerides

> (gluocose is converted to trigylcerides).

>

> The Syndrome X Diet is a good one and the Zone is the other one, I

think.

>

> I talked to a couple of local docs (one a heart specialist). They

know I'm

> anti-pharmaceuticals (have reactions to just about everything) and

they

> suggested I look up the Harvard study and a few others. With

that, I talked

> to the docs again they recommend Omega 3 fats, vitamin C and a low

> carbohydrate diet. Niacin, red rice yeast, flax seed, green tea

extract,

> oats, dietary fiber or Metamucil, and Guggulipid Extract.

>

> The nos were cut the saturated fats (animal) and NO trans fatty

acids or

> hydrogenated oils which kind of puts the kabosh on any prepackaged

foods or

> fast foods and no alcohol. (You'll notice that I didn't mention

the fish

> oil <g>) I don't smoke, so they said I didn't have to worry about

that.

> Although, I never did figure out how smoking effects tri levels

but they say

> it does.

>

> One of the biggies is exercise. Exercise and lossing weight will

drop the

> trigycerides down a good chunk.

>

> Lynda

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Nikki

 

All your plans sound good. I'm sure you will work it out. You rhubby may

well be under-doing it to start with - it's a natural reaction to fear. Once

you get the charts going, and find out about alternatives that help he will

be well on the way to sorting it out.

 

Jo

 

 

> Hi Lynda,

>

> The Dr. recommended he go low-fat, not fat-free, but it is amazing

> how much the fat grams add up even in low-fat foods. DH swears he

> never mentioned exercise, but I find that hard to believe!

>

> The smoking thing I did not know about though, thank you. DH does

> smoke so I will have to look into that.

>

> I have a meeting with a homeopath this weekend, runs my local

> crystal store, so I am going to see what is recommended there. And

> then off to the library.

>

> I think at this point I need to make DH a chart too so he can log

> what he is eating and the fat intake. Because I am worried he is not

> getting enough nutrients and under-doing it.

>

> Thx for all the help! It's greatly appreciated!

>

> Nikki

>

>

> , " Lynda " <lurine@s...> wrote:

> > Nikki, is this diet recommended by your doc? I ask because my

> levels are

> > out of site but they didn't recommend going fat free. In fact,

> sort of the

> > opposite, in that I should change the fats in the diet. Then they

> got all

> > in a twitter to learn that I didn't eat red meat and hadn't for

> over 20

> > years. Then they decided I must be drinking milk. Really upset

> them to

> > know that I haven't had any milk to drink for over 50 years <g>

> >

> > At anyrate, I was told it was more important to eat a diabetic

> diet because

> > it is the wrong kind of carbs (simple carbs) that turn into

> triglycerides

> > (gluocose is converted to trigylcerides).

> >

> > The Syndrome X Diet is a good one and the Zone is the other one, I

> think.

> >

> > I talked to a couple of local docs (one a heart specialist). They

> know I'm

> > anti-pharmaceuticals (have reactions to just about everything) and

> they

> > suggested I look up the Harvard study and a few others. With

> that, I talked

> > to the docs again they recommend Omega 3 fats, vitamin C and a low

> > carbohydrate diet. Niacin, red rice yeast, flax seed, green tea

> extract,

> > oats, dietary fiber or Metamucil, and Guggulipid Extract.

> >

> > The nos were cut the saturated fats (animal) and NO trans fatty

> acids or

> > hydrogenated oils which kind of puts the kabosh on any prepackaged

> foods or

> > fast foods and no alcohol. (You'll notice that I didn't mention

> the fish

> > oil <g>) I don't smoke, so they said I didn't have to worry about

> that.

> > Although, I never did figure out how smoking effects tri levels

> but they say

> > it does.

> >

> > One of the biggies is exercise. Exercise and lossing weight will

> drop the

> > trigycerides down a good chunk.

> >

> > Lynda

> >

> To send an email to -

>

[Guest guest]

Hiya Trish,

My wife is a meat eater, and she knows and respects my lifestyle, and will try and avoid eating meat when I am around ( rarely do we eat together!), and I insist that she buys and prepares her animal remains herself.

Our two daughters aged 8 and 11, have never eaten meat, and I have explained to them that I believe that this is in their own interests, but, have told them that if they get to an age where they are capable of rational independant thought, and start to want to try meat, knowing where it comes from and how it gets there, then it will be their decision not mine, but that I will respect their decision whichever way they go. They know how I feel about animals and wahat my views are on balance nutritional meals, but it will be up to them to stand on their own two feet and make their own decisions one day.

 

The Valley Vegan........Garry Whatley <gwhatley wrote:

 

Hi All,

I'm a homeschooling mum to one 14 year old young man and have been a vegetarian for about 5 years and a full vegan only a couple of months (cheese was my last remaining vice to go). My son happily eats 'veggie' meals but is increasingly rumbling that he wishes we ate 'normally' (eat meat). I've said that I will buy him meat once a week and he can cook it himself but I have to admit that I am disappointed and not sure if I'm doing the right thing. I don't really want dead animal in my house.

 

I would say that I'm pretty health conscious so we don't do fatty take-always and I make our own bread, cookies, ice-cream, cakes etc. My husband eats vegan at home but I know occasionally he will have fish if out with other people and he still eats meat when he eats with his parents.

 

I would love to hear the advice of others as I'm not really sure how to handle this situation as I would dearly love my son to be vegan/vegetarian but don't want to turn him off and I'm the one that introduced him to the taste of meat in the first place. Sigh!!!!

 

Any ideas?????

 

TrishTo send an email to - Peter H

 

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[Guest guest]

Thanks for the thoughts Valley Vegan. I know I have to respect my son's decision but I wanted so much better for him and for the animals he eats. At this time I'm just trying to be tolerant and not alienate him because of this issue.

 

Good Luck with your own daughters.

 

Trish

 

-

peter hurd

Sunday, July 03, 2005 12:42 AM

Re: Intro and question

 

Hiya Trish,

My wife is a meat eater, and she knows and respects my lifestyle, and will try and avoid eating meat when I am around ( rarely do we eat together!), and I insist that she buys and prepares her animal remains herself.

Our two daughters aged 8 and 11, have never eaten meat, and I have explained to them that I believe that this is in their own interests, but, have told them that if they get to an age where they are capable of rational independant thought, and start to want to try meat, knowing where it comes from and how it gets there, then it will be their decision not mine, but that I will respect their decision whichever way they go. They know how I feel about animals and wahat my views are on balance nutritional meals, but it will be up to them to stand on their own two feet and make their own decisions one day.

 

The Valley Vegan........

[Guest guest]

Hi Jo

 

Thank you for the words of encouragement, it helps a lot. And I

think you're right. It will all work out in the end and things are

definately going a lot easier now.

 

BB

Nikki

 

 

, " Jo Cwazy " <heartwork@c...> wrote:

> Hi Nikki

>

> All your plans sound good. I'm sure you will work it out. You

rhubby may

> well be under-doing it to start with - it's a natural reaction to

fear. Once

> you get the charts going, and find out about alternatives that

help he will

> be well on the way to sorting it out.

>

> Jo

>

>

[Guest guest]

Howdy :-)

I am Libby, new to this list, and new to the veggie lifestyle.

I have a box of quick mix seitan, and I am not sure of what to do with it.

I have the instructions on the box, yes, but I keep seeing recipies where it

says

small bite size pieces of seitan.

How would I get small pieces?

I am just kind of confused by the concept of this particular food.

 

Any kind of information (such as seitan101 for dummies) would be greatly

appreciated!

 

I live in Erie, PA with my Maine Coon cat, blue.

 

Lib

 

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