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hat the guy says about vitamin B12 is more or less true. You can get it in a

vegan diet, but it requires easing some really strange things. Other than that,

I think his grammer is horrid and his ideas confrontational and trite.

Katie

 

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I hope no one gets affended but has anyone seen this website?

http://www.geocities.com/ivmatv/socalled.html Its talking about " true

vegetarianism. I found it interesting and was curious what other

people thought of it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Seems quite extreme to me... after all, the only thing this guy eats

is overripe fruits!!! What about vegetables, nuts, seeds, grains,

legumes??? There are a lot more good, wholesome, nutritious foods

than just overripe fruits.

Bryan

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Sounds to me like someone with some serious issues. Not very scientific and

very preachy and judgmental.

Liudwih

 

 

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brbrunner

2/26/2007 9:22:23 AM

 

Re: vitamine b12

 

Seems quite extreme to me... after all, the only thing this guy eats

is overripe fruits!!! What about vegetables, nuts, seeds, grains,

legumes??? There are a lot more good, wholesome, nutritious foods

than just overripe fruits.

Bryan

 

 

 

 

 

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Katie,

I believe the guy is Russian..I can only imagine what my grammer

would be like if I tried to write in another language..LOL Actually

it isn't too great in English.

I didn't read all of his 'message', but I say " to each his own " ..

Deanna

 

 

would , Katie M <cozycate

wrote:

>

> hat the guy says about vitamin B12 is more or less true. You can

get it in a vegan diet, but it requires easing some really strange

things. Other than that, I think his grammer is horrid and his ideas

confrontational and trite.

> Katie

>

> Tabitha <kittywilbur wrote:

> I hope no one gets affended but has anyone seen this

website?

> http://www.geocities.com/ivmatv/socalled.html Its talking

about " true

> vegetarianism. I found it interesting and was curious what other

> people thought of it.

 

> The fish are biting.

> Get more visitors on your site using Search Marketing.

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Pardon the length of this reply and if it is too preachy, just hit delete. Good

question. Currently I am working to come back from some rather bad neurological

damage directly related to low blood levels of B vites and protein. It wasn't

caused by my vegetarian diet, but was caused by the pancreatitis,

diverticulitis, etc. I have jerks, tremors, speech difficulties and use

wheelchair. Facing months of retraining body with physical therapy, speech

therapy, etc.

 

By the time your test results show that your hematocrit, protein levels,

ferritin, and others are low, or at the low end of normal, you will be in deep

dog doo. AND unless you are fortunate enough to have a doctor who had more

training in nutrition than I have, you will get some really stupid diagnosis and

inappropriate treatment.

 

Right now despite a hematocrit of 5 and history of GI bleeding, my doctor says

DEPRESSION. Went to shrink and he did neuro tests and figured it all out and

that my pcp was full of........

 

I give myself B12 injections daily which is rather a laugh since often the

tremors make it impossible to depress the plunger. Since my PCP is

er...unwilling to script me the B12, I am using what I give the animals when

they are down. (Don't stroke out, guys, it is actually the same crap human docs

use but a whole hell of a lot cheaper.) Look it up online, B12 is relatively

hard to take too much of. I use a 25 gauge, 3 cc needle and give myself 1 cc a

day into the thigh or abdomen. The 25 gauge needle is nice and thin and is an

easy stick. I also take B100 capsules, 4 daily (usual dose 1 daily) WITH MEALS.

If you take those, trust me, you do NOT want to take them with orange juice or

coffee. You'll be belching that ghastly vitamin taste all day. I have to take

a lot of other supplements as well, but most of them are related to the

pancreatitis and gastric bypass surgery. (NOT lap band. Lap bands do not have

malabsorption issues.)

 

I am not a doctor, ok? This is not medical advice, this is just what I do, and

MY problem, ok? (IS that sufficient to keep me out of legal trouble?)

 

Money wise:

100 syringes with needles $12.00

250 ml of B-Complex Plus $5.00

Package of 100 alcohol wipes .67 cents

Per dose around $1.80

 

Doctor's office giving shot:

$30.00 copay

$30.00 B12 injection

$60.00 total per dose

 

HTH, Jeanne in GA

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Jeanne

 

I am on the waiting list for GB. I am wondering if it is still possible to

maintain a veggie diet. I know vegan would be very hard but can veggie work?

Thanks

Liudwih

 

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treazure noname

02/26/07 10:29:32

 

Re:vitamine b12

 

Pardon the length of this reply and if it is too preachy, just hit delete.

Good question. Currently I am working to come back from some rather bad

neurological damage directly related to low blood levels of B vites and

protein. It wasn't caused by my vegetarian diet, but was caused by the

pancreatitis, diverticulitis, etc. I have jerks, tremors, speech

difficulties and use wheelchair. Facing months of retraining body with

physical therapy, speech therapy, etc.

 

By the time your test results show that your hematocrit, protein levels,

ferritin, and others are low, or at the low end of normal, you will be in

deep dog doo. AND unless you are fortunate enough to have a doctor who had

more training in nutrition than I have, you will get some really stupid

diagnosis and inappropriate treatment.

 

Right now despite a hematocrit of 5 and history of GI bleeding, my doctor

says DEPRESSION. Went to shrink and he did neuro tests and figured it all

out and that my pcp was full of........

 

I give myself B12 injections daily which is rather a laugh since often the

tremors make it impossible to depress the plunger. Since my PCP is er..

unwilling to script me the B12, I am using what I give the animals when they

are down. (Don't stroke out, guys, it is actually the same crap human docs

use but a whole hell of a lot cheaper.) Look it up online, B12 is relatively

hard to take too much of. I use a 25 gauge, 3 cc needle and give myself 1 cc

a day into the thigh or abdomen. The 25 gauge needle is nice and thin and is

an easy stick. I also take B100 capsules, 4 daily (usual dose 1 daily) WITH

MEALS. If you take those, trust me, you do NOT want to take them with orange

juice or coffee. You'll be belching that ghastly vitamin taste all day. I

have to take a lot of other supplements as well, but most of them are

related to the pancreatitis and gastric bypass surgery. (NOT lap band. Lap

bands do not have malabsorption issues.)

 

I am not a doctor, ok? This is not medical advice, this is just what I do,

and MY problem, ok? (IS that sufficient to keep me out of legal trouble?)

 

Money wise:

100 syringes with needles $12.00

250 ml of B-Complex Plus $5.00

Package of 100 alcohol wipes .67 cents

Per dose around $1.80

 

Doctor's office giving shot:

$30.00 copay

$30.00 B12 injection

$60.00 total per dose

 

HTH, Jeanne in GA

 

 

Get your own web address.

Have a HUGE year through Small Business.

 

 

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How much B12 in a typical injection?

 

Thanks,

-Erin

www.zenpawn.com/vegblog

 

 

, treazure noname

<treazured wrote:

 

[...snip...]

 

> I give myself B12 injections daily which is rather a laugh since

often the tremors make it impossible to depress the plunger. Since

my PCP is er...unwilling to script me the B12, I am using what I give

the animals when they are down. (Don't stroke out, guys, it is

actually the same crap human docs use but a whole hell of a lot

cheaper.) Look it up online, B12 is relatively hard to take too much

of. I use a 25 gauge, 3 cc needle and give myself 1 cc a day into

the thigh or abdomen. The 25 gauge needle is nice and thin and is an

easy stick.

 

[...snip...]

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Erin said " How much B12 in a typical injection? " I take 1 cc which is 1 ml

(milliliter) and the B Complex Plus I use has 12.5 mg thiamine hydrochloride

(B1), 12.5 mg niacinamide, 5.0 mg pyridoxine hydrochloride (B5) 2.0 mg

riboflavin (B2), and 1000 mcg (micrograms) cyanocobalamin (B12). It doesn't

sting or hurt going in and to be honest, the shots I give myself don't hurt like

when the doctor's nurse does it, but then I have given a lot of shots to

creatures that bite and scratch.

 

HTH, Jeanne in GA

This in no way constitutes medical advice, blah blah blah te blah, just my

experience, etc.

 

 

 

 

 

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That's by volume though. Any idea how many mcg's are in it?

 

Thanks,

-Erin

www.zenpawn.com/vegblog

 

 

, treazure noname

<treazured wrote:

>

> Erin said " How much B12 in a typical injection? " I take 1 cc which

is 1 ml (milliliter) and the B Complex Plus I use has 12.5 mg

thiamine hydrochloride (B1), 12.5 mg niacinamide, 5.0 mg pyridoxine

hydrochloride (B5) 2.0 mg riboflavin (B2), and 1000 mcg (micrograms)

cyanocobalamin (B12). It doesn't sting or hurt going in and to be

honest, the shots I give myself don't hurt like when the doctor's

nurse does it, but then I have given a lot of shots to creatures that

bite and scratch.

>

> HTH, Jeanne in GA

> This in no way constitutes medical advice, blah blah blah te blah,

just my experience, etc.

>

>

>

>

>

> The fish are biting.

> Get more visitors on your site using Search Marketing.

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