Guest guest Posted February 25, 2007 Report Share Posted February 25, 2007 I hope no one gets affended but has anyone seen this website? http://www.geocities.com/ivmatv/socalled.html Its talking about " true vegetarianism. I found it interesting and was curious what other people thought of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2007 Report Share Posted February 25, 2007 hat the guy says about vitamin B12 is more or less true. You can get it in a vegan diet, but it requires easing some really strange things. Other than that, I think his grammer is horrid and his ideas confrontational and trite. Katie Tabitha <kittywilbur wrote: I hope no one gets affended but has anyone seen this website? http://www.geocities.com/ivmatv/socalled.html Its talking about " true vegetarianism. I found it interesting and was curious what other people thought of it. The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Search Marketing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2007 Report Share Posted February 26, 2007 Seems quite extreme to me... after all, the only thing this guy eats is overripe fruits!!! What about vegetables, nuts, seeds, grains, legumes??? There are a lot more good, wholesome, nutritious foods than just overripe fruits. Bryan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2007 Report Share Posted February 26, 2007 Sounds to me like someone with some serious issues. Not very scientific and very preachy and judgmental. Liudwih ---- brbrunner 2/26/2007 9:22:23 AM Re: vitamine b12 Seems quite extreme to me... after all, the only thing this guy eats is overripe fruits!!! What about vegetables, nuts, seeds, grains, legumes??? There are a lot more good, wholesome, nutritious foods than just overripe fruits. Bryan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2007 Report Share Posted February 26, 2007 Katie, I believe the guy is Russian..I can only imagine what my grammer would be like if I tried to write in another language..LOL Actually it isn't too great in English. I didn't read all of his 'message', but I say " to each his own " .. Deanna would , Katie M <cozycate wrote: > > hat the guy says about vitamin B12 is more or less true. You can get it in a vegan diet, but it requires easing some really strange things. Other than that, I think his grammer is horrid and his ideas confrontational and trite. > Katie > > Tabitha <kittywilbur wrote: > I hope no one gets affended but has anyone seen this website? > http://www.geocities.com/ivmatv/socalled.html Its talking about " true > vegetarianism. I found it interesting and was curious what other > people thought of it. > The fish are biting. > Get more visitors on your site using Search Marketing. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2007 Report Share Posted February 26, 2007 Pardon the length of this reply and if it is too preachy, just hit delete. Good question. Currently I am working to come back from some rather bad neurological damage directly related to low blood levels of B vites and protein. It wasn't caused by my vegetarian diet, but was caused by the pancreatitis, diverticulitis, etc. I have jerks, tremors, speech difficulties and use wheelchair. Facing months of retraining body with physical therapy, speech therapy, etc. By the time your test results show that your hematocrit, protein levels, ferritin, and others are low, or at the low end of normal, you will be in deep dog doo. AND unless you are fortunate enough to have a doctor who had more training in nutrition than I have, you will get some really stupid diagnosis and inappropriate treatment. Right now despite a hematocrit of 5 and history of GI bleeding, my doctor says DEPRESSION. Went to shrink and he did neuro tests and figured it all out and that my pcp was full of........ I give myself B12 injections daily which is rather a laugh since often the tremors make it impossible to depress the plunger. Since my PCP is er...unwilling to script me the B12, I am using what I give the animals when they are down. (Don't stroke out, guys, it is actually the same crap human docs use but a whole hell of a lot cheaper.) Look it up online, B12 is relatively hard to take too much of. I use a 25 gauge, 3 cc needle and give myself 1 cc a day into the thigh or abdomen. The 25 gauge needle is nice and thin and is an easy stick. I also take B100 capsules, 4 daily (usual dose 1 daily) WITH MEALS. If you take those, trust me, you do NOT want to take them with orange juice or coffee. You'll be belching that ghastly vitamin taste all day. I have to take a lot of other supplements as well, but most of them are related to the pancreatitis and gastric bypass surgery. (NOT lap band. Lap bands do not have malabsorption issues.) I am not a doctor, ok? This is not medical advice, this is just what I do, and MY problem, ok? (IS that sufficient to keep me out of legal trouble?) Money wise: 100 syringes with needles $12.00 250 ml of B-Complex Plus $5.00 Package of 100 alcohol wipes .67 cents Per dose around $1.80 Doctor's office giving shot: $30.00 copay $30.00 B12 injection $60.00 total per dose HTH, Jeanne in GA Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Small Business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2007 Report Share Posted February 26, 2007 Jeanne I am on the waiting list for GB. I am wondering if it is still possible to maintain a veggie diet. I know vegan would be very hard but can veggie work? Thanks Liudwih ---- treazure noname 02/26/07 10:29:32 Re:vitamine b12 Pardon the length of this reply and if it is too preachy, just hit delete. Good question. Currently I am working to come back from some rather bad neurological damage directly related to low blood levels of B vites and protein. It wasn't caused by my vegetarian diet, but was caused by the pancreatitis, diverticulitis, etc. I have jerks, tremors, speech difficulties and use wheelchair. Facing months of retraining body with physical therapy, speech therapy, etc. By the time your test results show that your hematocrit, protein levels, ferritin, and others are low, or at the low end of normal, you will be in deep dog doo. AND unless you are fortunate enough to have a doctor who had more training in nutrition than I have, you will get some really stupid diagnosis and inappropriate treatment. Right now despite a hematocrit of 5 and history of GI bleeding, my doctor says DEPRESSION. Went to shrink and he did neuro tests and figured it all out and that my pcp was full of........ I give myself B12 injections daily which is rather a laugh since often the tremors make it impossible to depress the plunger. Since my PCP is er.. unwilling to script me the B12, I am using what I give the animals when they are down. (Don't stroke out, guys, it is actually the same crap human docs use but a whole hell of a lot cheaper.) Look it up online, B12 is relatively hard to take too much of. I use a 25 gauge, 3 cc needle and give myself 1 cc a day into the thigh or abdomen. The 25 gauge needle is nice and thin and is an easy stick. I also take B100 capsules, 4 daily (usual dose 1 daily) WITH MEALS. If you take those, trust me, you do NOT want to take them with orange juice or coffee. You'll be belching that ghastly vitamin taste all day. I have to take a lot of other supplements as well, but most of them are related to the pancreatitis and gastric bypass surgery. (NOT lap band. Lap bands do not have malabsorption issues.) I am not a doctor, ok? This is not medical advice, this is just what I do, and MY problem, ok? (IS that sufficient to keep me out of legal trouble?) Money wise: 100 syringes with needles $12.00 250 ml of B-Complex Plus $5.00 Package of 100 alcohol wipes .67 cents Per dose around $1.80 Doctor's office giving shot: $30.00 copay $30.00 B12 injection $60.00 total per dose HTH, Jeanne in GA Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Small Business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2007 Report Share Posted February 26, 2007 How much B12 in a typical injection? Thanks, -Erin www.zenpawn.com/vegblog , treazure noname <treazured wrote: [...snip...] > I give myself B12 injections daily which is rather a laugh since often the tremors make it impossible to depress the plunger. Since my PCP is er...unwilling to script me the B12, I am using what I give the animals when they are down. (Don't stroke out, guys, it is actually the same crap human docs use but a whole hell of a lot cheaper.) Look it up online, B12 is relatively hard to take too much of. I use a 25 gauge, 3 cc needle and give myself 1 cc a day into the thigh or abdomen. The 25 gauge needle is nice and thin and is an easy stick. [...snip...] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2007 Report Share Posted February 26, 2007 Erin said " How much B12 in a typical injection? " I take 1 cc which is 1 ml (milliliter) and the B Complex Plus I use has 12.5 mg thiamine hydrochloride (B1), 12.5 mg niacinamide, 5.0 mg pyridoxine hydrochloride (B5) 2.0 mg riboflavin (B2), and 1000 mcg (micrograms) cyanocobalamin (B12). It doesn't sting or hurt going in and to be honest, the shots I give myself don't hurt like when the doctor's nurse does it, but then I have given a lot of shots to creatures that bite and scratch. HTH, Jeanne in GA This in no way constitutes medical advice, blah blah blah te blah, just my experience, etc. The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Search Marketing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2007 Report Share Posted February 27, 2007 That's by volume though. Any idea how many mcg's are in it? Thanks, -Erin www.zenpawn.com/vegblog , treazure noname <treazured wrote: > > Erin said " How much B12 in a typical injection? " I take 1 cc which is 1 ml (milliliter) and the B Complex Plus I use has 12.5 mg thiamine hydrochloride (B1), 12.5 mg niacinamide, 5.0 mg pyridoxine hydrochloride (B5) 2.0 mg riboflavin (B2), and 1000 mcg (micrograms) cyanocobalamin (B12). It doesn't sting or hurt going in and to be honest, the shots I give myself don't hurt like when the doctor's nurse does it, but then I have given a lot of shots to creatures that bite and scratch. > > HTH, Jeanne in GA > This in no way constitutes medical advice, blah blah blah te blah, just my experience, etc. > > > > > > The fish are biting. > Get more visitors on your site using Search Marketing. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2007 Report Share Posted February 27, 2007 Yup, 1000 micrograms B12 per cc. Here's a link that you can follow to see the label and other info on the one I use. http://www.jefferslivestock.com/ssc/product.asp?CID=2 & pf_id=16514 No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Mail for Mobile. Get started. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You are posting as a guest. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.