Guest guest Posted October 28, 2005 Report Share Posted October 28, 2005 sheesh..i eat something from the brassica family almost everyday... between that, garlci, red wine..i'd better not get cancer now dang it! with my luck..my body is breeeding some super tumor... heartwerk <jo.heartwork Oct 27, 2005 11:46 PM Cabbage Cabbages 'cut lung cancer risks' The researchers looked at how much cabbage people ate Eating vegetables from the cabbage family can reduce the risk of lung cancer for people with a certain genetic make-up, scientists say. Such cruciferous vegetables had already been linked to reduced rates of lung cancer, but it had not been clear why. The study found eating the vegetables at least once a week cut cancer risk for people with inactive versions of two genes, carried by 70% of people. The Lancet study was by International Agency for Cancer Research scientists. Further research and testing would need to be done to ascertain the reliability of research on these vegetables before it could be used in the UK Professor Stephen Spiro, British Lung Foundation The two genes which were studied are the GSTM1 and GSTT1, which normally protect the body against certain toxins. Vegetables such as cabbage, broccoli and sprouts are rich in chemicals called isothiocyanates, which strongly protect against lung cancer. Normally, isothiocyanates are eliminated from the body by " clean-up " enzymes produced by the genes GSTM1 and GSTT1. 'Substantial effect' The researchers from the IACR in Lyon, France, looked at 2,141 patients with lung cancer and 2,168 healthy individuals from Poland, Slovakia, Czech Republic, Romania, Russia and Hungary, where cruciferous vegetables are a normal part of the diet. DNA samples were taken, and their diets monitored. No protective effect was seen in people who carried active versions of both genes. But eating the vegetables at least once a week was found to have a 33% protective effect against lung cancer in people who just had an inactive form of the GSTM1 gene. Around 50% of people have this form of this gene. In those with an inactive form of the GSTT1 gene, there was a 37% protective effect. Around 20% have this form. But individuals who had inactive versions of both genes - which applies to 10% of the population - were 72% protected. 'Environment plus genes' Dr Paul Brennan, one of the scientists who carried out the study, said: " These data provide strong evidence for a substantial protective effect of cruciferous vegetables on lung cancer. " Professor Paulo Boffetta, who also worked on the study, added: " This is a population who all ate some of these vegetables, so we don't know if the same pattern would be seen when comparing people who ate a moderate amount to none, as opposed to a high amount to a medium amount. " The message here is that environmental effect depends on the genetic background and vice versa. " But Professor Boffetta said the protective effect of the vegetables would not rule out the harmful effect of smoking, linked to the majority of cases of lung cancer. " The risk a regular smoker will getting lung cancer is 20 times that of a non-smoker. So even if eating these vegetables cut that risk by half, smokers would still be at a much higher risk. " Professor Stephen Spiro, of the British Lung Foundation, said: " This research is very interesting and we will be following further developments closely. " Lung cancer causes more than 33,000 deaths in the UK each year and finding a simple way to help protect some of the population against this condition would be a huge benefit. " However, it is important to reiterate the importance of stopping smoking, and protection from second-hand smoke. " Further research and testing would need to be done to ascertain the reliability of research on these vegetables before it could be used in the UK. " To send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2005 Report Share Posted October 28, 2005 Hi Fraggle YOu can only try! You seem to be doing a lot right. Jo , fraggle <EBbrewpunx@e...> wrote: > > sheesh..i eat something from the brassica family almost everyday... > between that, garlci, red wine..i'd better not get cancer now dang it! > > with my luck..my body is breeeding some super tumor... > > > heartwerk <jo.heartwork@g...> > Oct 27, 2005 11:46 PM > > Cabbage > > Cabbages 'cut lung cancer risks' > > The researchers looked at how much cabbage people ate > Eating vegetables from the cabbage family can reduce the risk of lung > cancer for people with a certain genetic make-up, scientists say. > Such cruciferous vegetables had already been linked to reduced rates > of lung cancer, but it had not been clear why. > > The study found eating the vegetables at least once a week cut cancer > risk for people with inactive versions of two genes, carried by 70% > of people. > > The Lancet study was by International Agency for Cancer Research > scientists. > > Further research and testing would need to be done to ascertain the > reliability of research on these vegetables before it could be used > in the UK > > Professor Stephen Spiro, British Lung Foundation > > The two genes which were studied are the GSTM1 and GSTT1, which > normally protect the body against certain toxins. > > Vegetables such as cabbage, broccoli and sprouts are rich in > chemicals called isothiocyanates, which strongly protect against lung > cancer. > > Normally, isothiocyanates are eliminated from the body by " clean-up " > enzymes produced by the genes GSTM1 and GSTT1. > > 'Substantial effect' > > The researchers from the IACR in Lyon, France, looked at 2,141 > patients with lung cancer and 2,168 healthy individuals from Poland, > Slovakia, Czech Republic, Romania, Russia and Hungary, where > cruciferous vegetables are a normal part of the diet. > > DNA samples were taken, and their diets monitored. > > No protective effect was seen in people who carried active versions > of both genes. > > But eating the vegetables at least once a week was found to have a > 33% protective effect against lung cancer in people who just had an > inactive form of the GSTM1 gene. > > Around 50% of people have this form of this gene. > > In those with an inactive form of the GSTT1 gene, there was a 37% > protective effect. > > Around 20% have this form. > > But individuals who had inactive versions of both genes - which > applies to 10% of the population - were 72% protected. > > 'Environment plus genes' > > Dr Paul Brennan, one of the scientists who carried out the study, > said: " These data provide strong evidence for a substantial > protective effect of cruciferous vegetables on lung cancer. " > > Professor Paulo Boffetta, who also worked on the study, added: " This > is a population who all ate some of these vegetables, so we don't > know if the same pattern would be seen when comparing people who ate > a moderate amount to none, as opposed to a high amount to a medium > amount. > > " The message here is that environmental effect depends on the genetic > background and vice versa. " > > But Professor Boffetta said the protective effect of the vegetables > would not rule out the harmful effect of smoking, linked to the > majority of cases of lung cancer. > > " The risk a regular smoker will getting lung cancer is 20 times that > of a non-smoker. So even if eating these vegetables cut that risk by > half, smokers would still be at a much higher risk. " > > Professor Stephen Spiro, of the British Lung Foundation, said: " This > research is very interesting and we will be following further > developments closely. > > " Lung cancer causes more than 33,000 deaths in the UK each year and > finding a simple way to help protect some of the population against > this condition would be a huge benefit. > > " However, it is important to reiterate the importance of stopping > smoking, and protection from second-hand smoke. > > " Further research and testing would need to be done to ascertain the > reliability of research on these vegetables before it could be used > in the UK. " > > > > > To send an email to - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2005 Report Share Posted October 28, 2005 heh assumin you ignore how much i drink, that i ride a motorcycle, that i live in a dirty city, that i prolly absorb enough second hand smoke to paint my lungs a nasty shade of black ah well *goes back to eatin his rice tofu curry dish..with lotsa nummy broccoli* fraggle heartwerk <jo.heartwork Oct 28, 2005 10:41 AM Re: Cabbage Hi Fraggle YOu can only try! You seem to be doing a lot right. Jo But they've all gone mad now Well you'd be pretty mad too If what happened to cows happened to you Having your children taken away Forced to stand in a pen each day Fed the shit from other dead things Then chopped to bits... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2005 Report Share Posted October 28, 2005 It's heartening that even though they have the genetics to get lung cancer, there is something that can be done. Of course then they will try to come out with a pill to do it instead of just eating their veggies!heartwerk <jo.heartwork wrote: Cabbages 'cut lung cancer risks' The researchers looked at how much cabbage people ate Eating vegetables from the cabbage family can reduce the risk of lung cancer for people with a certain genetic make-up, scientists say. Such cruciferous vegetables had already been linked to reduced rates of lung cancer, but it had not been clear why. The study found eating the vegetables at least once a week cut cancer risk for people with inactive versions of two genes, carried by 70% of people. The Lancet study was by International Agency for Cancer Research scientists. Further research and testing would need to be done to ascertain the reliability of research on these vegetables before it could be used in the UK Professor Stephen Spiro, British Lung Foundation The two genes which were studied are the GSTM1 and GSTT1, which normally protect the body against certain toxins. Vegetables such as cabbage, broccoli and sprouts are rich in chemicals called isothiocyanates, which strongly protect against lung cancer. Normally, isothiocyanates are eliminated from the body by "clean-up" enzymes produced by the genes GSTM1 and GSTT1. 'Substantial effect' The researchers from the IACR in Lyon, France, looked at 2,141 patients with lung cancer and 2,168 healthy individuals from Poland, Slovakia, Czech Republic, Romania, Russia and Hungary, where cruciferous vegetables are a normal part of the diet. DNA samples were taken, and their diets monitored. No protective effect was seen in people who carried active versions of both genes. But eating the vegetables at least once a week was found to have a 33% protective effect against lung cancer in people who just had an inactive form of the GSTM1 gene. Around 50% of people have this form of this gene. In those with an inactive form of the GSTT1 gene, there was a 37% protective effect. Around 20% have this form. But individuals who had inactive versions of both genes - which applies to 10% of the population - were 72% protected. 'Environment plus genes' Dr Paul Brennan, one of the scientists who carried out the study, said: "These data provide strong evidence for a substantial protective effect of cruciferous vegetables on lung cancer." Professor Paulo Boffetta, who also worked on the study, added: "This is a population who all ate some of these vegetables, so we don't know if the same pattern would be seen when comparing people who ate a moderate amount to none, as opposed to a high amount to a medium amount. "The message here is that environmental effect depends on the genetic background and vice versa." But Professor Boffetta said the protective effect of the vegetables would not rule out the harmful effect of smoking, linked to the majority of cases of lung cancer. "The risk a regular smoker will getting lung cancer is 20 times that of a non-smoker. So even if eating these vegetables cut that risk by half, smokers would still be at a much higher risk." Professor Stephen Spiro, of the British Lung Foundation, said: "This research is very interesting and we will be following further developments closely. "Lung cancer causes more than 33,000 deaths in the UK each year and finding a simple way to help protect some of the population against this condition would be a huge benefit. "However, it is important to reiterate the importance of stopping smoking, and protection from second-hand smoke. "Further research and testing would need to be done to ascertain the reliability of research on these vegetables before it could be used in the UK." FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2005 Report Share Posted October 28, 2005 Well ... I'll ignore the drink :-) and assume you can't help living in a city. I guess it is more dangerous to ride a motorcycle than drive a car or walk, but you have to get around somehow. I think if you eat lots of fruit and veg, and eat carefully you are doing a lot. Jo , fraggle <EBbrewpunx@e...> wrote: > > > heh > assumin you ignore how much i drink, that i ride a motorcycle, that i live in a dirty city, that i prolly absorb enough second hand smoke to paint my lungs a nasty shade of black > ah well > > *goes back to eatin his rice tofu curry dish..with lotsa nummy broccoli* > > fraggle > > heartwerk <jo.heartwork@g...> > Oct 28, 2005 10:41 AM > > Re: Cabbage > > Hi Fraggle > > YOu can only try! You seem to be doing a lot right. > > Jo > > > But they've all gone mad now > Well you'd be pretty mad too > If what happened to cows happened to you > Having your children taken away > Forced to stand in a pen each day > Fed the shit from other dead things > Then chopped to bits... > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2005 Report Share Posted October 28, 2005 i'd be bored silly livin out in the hinterlands love nature and all that just couldn't live there.... heartwerk <jo.heartwork Oct 28, 2005 12:06 PM Re: Cabbage Well ... I'll ignore the drink :-) and assume you can't help living in a city. I guess it is more dangerous to ride a motorcycle than drive a car or walk, but you have to get around somehow. I think if you eat lots of fruit and veg, and eat carefully you are doing a lot. Jo , fraggle <EBbrewpunx@e...> wrote: > > > heh > assumin you ignore how much i drink, that i ride a motorcycle, that i live in a dirty city, that i prolly absorb enough second hand smoke to paint my lungs a nasty shade of black > ah well > > *goes back to eatin his rice tofu curry dish..with lotsa nummy broccoli* > > fraggle > > heartwerk <jo.heartwork@g...> > Oct 28, 2005 10:41 AM > > Re: Cabbage > > Hi Fraggle > > YOu can only try! You seem to be doing a lot right. > > Jo > > > But they've all gone mad now > Well you'd be pretty mad too > If what happened to cows happened to you > Having your children taken away > Forced to stand in a pen each day > Fed the shit from other dead things > Then chopped to bits... > To send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2005 Report Share Posted October 28, 2005 HI Fraggle I'm the other way round. I enjoy going to town for concerts, museums etc. but miss the grass and trees. One day is enough for me. BB Jo - " fraggle " <EBbrewpunx Friday, October 28, 2005 8:15 PM Re: Re: Cabbage > i'd be bored silly livin out in the hinterlands > love nature and all that > just couldn't live there.... > > > heartwerk <jo.heartwork > Oct 28, 2005 12:06 PM > > Re: Cabbage > > Well ... I'll ignore the drink :-) and assume you can't help living in > a city. I guess it is more dangerous to ride a motorcycle than drive > a car or walk, but you have to get around somehow. I think if you eat > lots of fruit and veg, and eat carefully you are doing a lot. > > Jo > > , fraggle <EBbrewpunx@e...> wrote: > > > > > > heh > > assumin you ignore how much i drink, that i ride a motorcycle, that > i live in a dirty city, that i prolly absorb enough second hand smoke > to paint my lungs a nasty shade of black > > ah well > > > > *goes back to eatin his rice tofu curry dish..with lotsa nummy broccoli* > > > > fraggle > > > > heartwerk <jo.heartwork@g...> > > Oct 28, 2005 10:41 AM > > > > Re: Cabbage > > > > Hi Fraggle > > > > YOu can only try! You seem to be doing a lot right. > > > > Jo > > > > > > But they've all gone mad now > > Well you'd be pretty mad too > > If what happened to cows happened to you > > Having your children taken away > > Forced to stand in a pen each day > > Fed the shit from other dead things > > Then chopped to bits... > > > To send an email to - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2005 Report Share Posted October 28, 2005 Silly, Fraggle. there isn't time to be bored silly! We'd put you to work <<eg>> Lynda, thinking of wood to chop, fences to build, a barn that needs to be added on to, a play that is coming up, two concerts she can't decide between, a haunted house to go to tomorrow, a movie tonight. Hmmmm, not enough hours in the day! - " fraggle " <EBbrewpunx Friday, October 28, 2005 12:15 PM Re: Re: Cabbage > i'd be bored silly livin out in the hinterlands > love nature and all that > just couldn't live there.... > > > heartwerk <jo.heartwork > Oct 28, 2005 12:06 PM > > Re: Cabbage > > Well ... I'll ignore the drink :-) and assume you can't help living in > a city. I guess it is more dangerous to ride a motorcycle than drive > a car or walk, but you have to get around somehow. I think if you eat > lots of fruit and veg, and eat carefully you are doing a lot. > > Jo > > , fraggle <EBbrewpunx@e...> wrote: >> >> >> heh >> assumin you ignore how much i drink, that i ride a motorcycle, that > i live in a dirty city, that i prolly absorb enough second hand smoke > to paint my lungs a nasty shade of black >> ah well >> >> *goes back to eatin his rice tofu curry dish..with lotsa nummy broccoli* >> >> fraggle >> >> heartwerk <jo.heartwork@g...> >> Oct 28, 2005 10:41 AM >> >> Re: Cabbage >> >> Hi Fraggle >> >> YOu can only try! You seem to be doing a lot right. >> >> Jo >> >> >> But they've all gone mad now >> Well you'd be pretty mad too >> If what happened to cows happened to you >> Having your children taken away >> Forced to stand in a pen each day >> Fed the shit from other dead things >> Then chopped to bits... >> > To send an email to - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2005 Report Share Posted October 28, 2005 we have trees tho, generally they are bedecked in fast food bags and other assorted flotsam... jo <jo.heartwork Oct 28, 2005 12:34 PM Re: Re: Cabbage HI Fraggle I'm the other way round. I enjoy going to town for concerts, museums etc. but miss the grass and trees. One day is enough for me. BB Jo - " fraggle " <EBbrewpunx Friday, October 28, 2005 8:15 PM Re: Re: Cabbage > i'd be bored silly livin out in the hinterlands > love nature and all that > just couldn't live there.... > > > heartwerk <jo.heartwork > Oct 28, 2005 12:06 PM > > Re: Cabbage > > Well ... I'll ignore the drink :-) and assume you can't help living in > a city. I guess it is more dangerous to ride a motorcycle than drive > a car or walk, but you have to get around somehow. I think if you eat > lots of fruit and veg, and eat carefully you are doing a lot. > > Jo > > , fraggle <EBbrewpunx@e...> wrote: > > > > > > heh > > assumin you ignore how much i drink, that i ride a motorcycle, that > i live in a dirty city, that i prolly absorb enough second hand smoke > to paint my lungs a nasty shade of black > > ah well > > > > *goes back to eatin his rice tofu curry dish..with lotsa nummy broccoli* > > > > fraggle > > > > heartwerk <jo.heartwork@g...> > > Oct 28, 2005 10:41 AM > > > > Re: Cabbage > > > > Hi Fraggle > > > > YOu can only try! You seem to be doing a lot right. > > > > Jo > > > > > > But they've all gone mad now > > Well you'd be pretty mad too > > If what happened to cows happened to you > > Having your children taken away > > Forced to stand in a pen each day > > Fed the shit from other dead things > > Then chopped to bits... > > > To send an email to - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2005 Report Share Posted October 28, 2005 i already have a job, thanx! rural life just ain;t fer me... i hated choppin wood(and mowing the lawn and all that) when i lived in connecticut..not really lookin t o go back to it! i work enough as it is..my day job, shows, etc... and...shows and stuff are fun! choppin wood and buildin a fence might be fun fer others..but i think i'll pass, if that ok with ya fraggle Lynda <lurine Oct 28, 2005 12:46 PM Re: Re: Cabbage Silly, Fraggle. there isn't time to be bored silly! We'd put you to work <<eg>> Lynda, thinking of wood to chop, fences to build, a barn that needs to be added on to, a play that is coming up, two concerts she can't decide between, a haunted house to go to tomorrow, a movie tonight. Hmmmm, not enough hours in the day! The propagandist's purpose is to make one set of people forget that certain other sets of people are human: Aldous Huxley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2005 Report Share Posted October 28, 2005 Ours just have birds and squirrels in them. Jo , fraggle <EBbrewpunx@e...> wrote: > > > we have trees > tho, generally they are bedecked in fast food bags and other assorted flotsam... > > jo <jo.heartwork@g...> > Oct 28, 2005 12:34 PM > > Re: Re: Cabbage > > HI Fraggle > > I'm the other way round. I enjoy going to town for concerts, museums etc. > but miss the grass and trees. One day is enough for me. > > BB > Jo > > - > " fraggle " <EBbrewpunx@e...> > > Friday, October 28, 2005 8:15 PM > Re: Re: Cabbage > > > > i'd be bored silly livin out in the hinterlands > > love nature and all that > > just couldn't live there.... > > > > > > heartwerk <jo.heartwork@g...> > > Oct 28, 2005 12:06 PM > > > > Re: Cabbage > > > > Well ... I'll ignore the drink :-) and assume you can't help living in > > a city. I guess it is more dangerous to ride a motorcycle than drive > > a car or walk, but you have to get around somehow. I think if you eat > > lots of fruit and veg, and eat carefully you are doing a lot. > > > > Jo > > > > , fraggle <EBbrewpunx@e...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > heh > > > assumin you ignore how much i drink, that i ride a motorcycle, that > > i live in a dirty city, that i prolly absorb enough second hand smoke > > to paint my lungs a nasty shade of black > > > ah well > > > > > > *goes back to eatin his rice tofu curry dish..with lotsa nummy broccoli* > > > > > > fraggle > > > > > > heartwerk <jo.heartwork@g...> > > > Oct 28, 2005 10:41 AM > > > > > > Re: Cabbage > > > > > > Hi Fraggle > > > > > > YOu can only try! You seem to be doing a lot right. > > > > > > Jo > > > > > > > > > But they've all gone mad now > > > Well you'd be pretty mad too > > > If what happened to cows happened to you > > > Having your children taken away > > > Forced to stand in a pen each day > > > Fed the shit from other dead things > > > Then chopped to bits... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To send an email to - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2005 Report Share Posted October 28, 2005 how unmodern heartwerk <jo.heartwork Oct 28, 2005 1:42 PM Re: Cabbage Ours just have birds and squirrels in them. Jo , fraggle <EBbrewpunx@e...> wrote: > > > we have trees > tho, generally they are bedecked in fast food bags and other assorted flotsam... > > jo <jo.heartwork@g...> > Oct 28, 2005 12:34 PM > > Re: Re: Cabbage > > HI Fraggle > > I'm the other way round. I enjoy going to town for concerts, museums etc. > but miss the grass and trees. One day is enough for me. > > BB > Jo > > - > " fraggle " <EBbrewpunx@e...> > > Friday, October 28, 2005 8:15 PM > Re: Re: Cabbage > > > > i'd be bored silly livin out in the hinterlands > > love nature and all that > > just couldn't live there.... > > > > > > heartwerk <jo.heartwork@g...> > > Oct 28, 2005 12:06 PM > > > > Re: Cabbage > > > > Well ... I'll ignore the drink :-) and assume you can't help living in > > a city. I guess it is more dangerous to ride a motorcycle than drive > > a car or walk, but you have to get around somehow. I think if you eat > > lots of fruit and veg, and eat carefully you are doing a lot. > > > > Jo > > > > , fraggle <EBbrewpunx@e...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > heh > > > assumin you ignore how much i drink, that i ride a motorcycle, that > > i live in a dirty city, that i prolly absorb enough second hand smoke > > to paint my lungs a nasty shade of black > > > ah well > > > > > > *goes back to eatin his rice tofu curry dish..with lotsa nummy broccoli* > > > > > > fraggle > > > > > > heartwerk <jo.heartwork@g...> > > > Oct 28, 2005 10:41 AM > > > > > > Re: Cabbage > > > > > > Hi Fraggle > > > > > > YOu can only try! You seem to be doing a lot right. > > > > > > Jo > > > > > > > > > But they've all gone mad now > > > Well you'd be pretty mad too > > > If what happened to cows happened to you > > > Having your children taken away > > > Forced to stand in a pen each day > > > Fed the shit from other dead things > > > Then chopped to bits... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To send an email to - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2005 Report Share Posted October 28, 2005 Our have birds, squirrels, chipmunks, AND mountains lions <g> Lynda - " heartwerk " <jo.heartwork > Ours just have birds and squirrels in them. > > Jo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2005 Report Share Posted October 28, 2005 Well look out Jo, there may be a beaver hiding up there! The Valley Vegan..............heartwerk <jo.heartwork wrote: Ours just have birds and squirrels in them.Jo , fraggle wrote:>> > we have trees> tho, generally they are bedecked in fast food bags and otherassorted flotsam...> > jo > Oct 28, 2005 12:34 PM> > Re: Re: Cabbage> > HI Fraggle> > I'm the other way round. I enjoy going to town for concerts,museums etc.> but miss the grass and trees. One day is enough for me.> > BB> Jo> > -> "fraggle" > > Friday, October 28, 2005 8:15 PM> Re: Re: Cabbage> > > > i'd be bored silly livin out in the hinterlands> > love nature and all that> > just couldn't live there....> >> > > > heartwerk > > Oct 28, 2005 12:06 PM> > > > Re: Cabbage> >> > Well ... I'll ignore the drink :-) and assume you can't help living in> > a city. I guess it is more dangerous to ride a motorcycle than drive> > a car or walk, but you have to get around somehow. I think if you eat> > lots of fruit and veg, and eat carefully you are doing a lot.> >> > Jo> >> > , fraggle wrote:> > >> > >> > > heh> > > assumin you ignore how much i drink, that i ride a motorcycle, that> > i live in a dirty city, that i prolly absorb enough second hand smoke> > to paint my lungs a nasty shade of black> > > ah well> > >> > > *goes back to eatin his rice tofu curry dish..with lotsa nummybroccoli*> > >> > > fraggle> > > > > > heartwerk > > > Oct 28, 2005 10:41 AM> > > > > > Re: Cabbage> > >> > > Hi Fraggle> > >> > > YOu can only try! You seem to be doing a lot right.> > >> > > Jo> > >> > >> > > But they've all gone mad now> > > Well you'd be pretty mad too> > > If what happened to cows happened to you> > > Having your children taken away> > > Forced to stand in a pen each day> > > Fed the shit from other dead things> > > Then chopped to bits...> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > To send an email to - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2005 Report Share Posted October 28, 2005 I thought you liked things as they used to be! Jo , fraggle <EBbrewpunx@e...> wrote: > > how unmodern > > > heartwerk <jo.heartwork@g...> > Oct 28, 2005 1:42 PM > > Re: Cabbage > > Ours just have birds and squirrels in them. > > Jo > > , fraggle <EBbrewpunx@e...> wrote: > > > > > > we have trees > > tho, generally they are bedecked in fast food bags and other > assorted flotsam... > > > > jo <jo.heartwork@g...> > > Oct 28, 2005 12:34 PM > > > > Re: Re: Cabbage > > > > HI Fraggle > > > > I'm the other way round. I enjoy going to town for concerts, > museums etc. > > but miss the grass and trees. One day is enough for me. > > > > BB > > Jo > > > > - > > " fraggle " <EBbrewpunx@e...> > > > > Friday, October 28, 2005 8:15 PM > > Re: Re: Cabbage > > > > > > > i'd be bored silly livin out in the hinterlands > > > love nature and all that > > > just couldn't live there.... > > > > > > > > > heartwerk <jo.heartwork@g...> > > > Oct 28, 2005 12:06 PM > > > > > > Re: Cabbage > > > > > > Well ... I'll ignore the drink :-) and assume you can't help living in > > > a city. I guess it is more dangerous to ride a motorcycle than drive > > > a car or walk, but you have to get around somehow. I think if you eat > > > lots of fruit and veg, and eat carefully you are doing a lot. > > > > > > Jo > > > > > > , fraggle <EBbrewpunx@e...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > heh > > > > assumin you ignore how much i drink, that i ride a motorcycle, that > > > i live in a dirty city, that i prolly absorb enough second hand smoke > > > to paint my lungs a nasty shade of black > > > > ah well > > > > > > > > *goes back to eatin his rice tofu curry dish..with lotsa nummy > broccoli* > > > > > > > > fraggle > > > > > > > > heartwerk <jo.heartwork@g...> > > > > Oct 28, 2005 10:41 AM > > > > > > > > Re: Cabbage > > > > > > > > Hi Fraggle > > > > > > > > YOu can only try! You seem to be doing a lot right. > > > > > > > > Jo > > > > > > > > > > > > But they've all gone mad now > > > > Well you'd be pretty mad too > > > > If what happened to cows happened to you > > > > Having your children taken away > > > > Forced to stand in a pen each day > > > > Fed the shit from other dead things > > > > Then chopped to bits... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To send an email to - > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2005 Report Share Posted October 28, 2005 LOL! I don't mind if there is - as long as it doesn't fall on me. Jo , peter hurd <swpgh01@t...> wrote: > > Well look out Jo, there may be a beaver hiding up there! > > The Valley Vegan.............. > > heartwerk <jo.heartwork@g...> wrote: > Ours just have birds and squirrels in them. > > Jo > > , fraggle wrote: > > > > > > we have trees > > tho, generally they are bedecked in fast food bags and other > assorted flotsam... > > > > jo > > Oct 28, 2005 12:34 PM > > > > Re: Re: Cabbage > > > > HI Fraggle > > > > I'm the other way round. I enjoy going to town for concerts, > museums etc. > > but miss the grass and trees. One day is enough for me. > > > > BB > > Jo > > > > - > > " fraggle " > > To: > > Friday, October 28, 2005 8:15 PM > > Re: Re: Cabbage > > > > > > > i'd be bored silly livin out in the hinterlands > > > love nature and all that > > > just couldn't live there.... > > > > > > > > > heartwerk > > > Oct 28, 2005 12:06 PM > > > > > > Re: Cabbage > > > > > > Well ... I'll ignore the drink :-) and assume you can't help living in > > > a city. I guess it is more dangerous to ride a motorcycle than drive > > > a car or walk, but you have to get around somehow. I think if you eat > > > lots of fruit and veg, and eat carefully you are doing a lot. > > > > > > Jo > > > > > > , fraggle wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > heh > > > > assumin you ignore how much i drink, that i ride a motorcycle, that > > > i live in a dirty city, that i prolly absorb enough second hand smoke > > > to paint my lungs a nasty shade of black > > > > ah well > > > > > > > > *goes back to eatin his rice tofu curry dish..with lotsa nummy > broccoli* > > > > > > > > fraggle > > > > > > > > heartwerk > > > > Oct 28, 2005 10:41 AM > > > > > > > > Re: Cabbage > > > > > > > > Hi Fraggle > > > > > > > > YOu can only try! You seem to be doing a lot right. > > > > > > > > Jo > > > > > > > > > > > > But they've all gone mad now > > > > Well you'd be pretty mad too > > > > If what happened to cows happened to you > > > > Having your children taken away > > > > Forced to stand in a pen each day > > > > Fed the shit from other dead things > > > > Then chopped to bits... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To send an email to - > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2007 Report Share Posted March 7, 2007 Hi all, years ago I used to make cabbage by simmering it and then adding peanut butter. I can't remember much else about it. Does anyone have anything similar? Thanks in advance. Kathy Kathy Olson DesertDog's Pet Companions Tucson, AZ 85715 www.desertdogs.biz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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