Guest guest Posted April 12, 2007 Report Share Posted April 12, 2007 Penny, Are you talking about the apple cores? If so, what's the deal with giving them to dogs. Sadie has managed to snatch one before when I accidentally dropped it on the floor, and then the other day... I gave her what was left of my apple, thinking she wouldn't eat the core. Before I could get it back from her, she had eaten half of it. She thought that chasing her while she had the core was the most fun game too! I could get really close, but when I would try to grab it from her, she'd run off again. She finally got it through her head that the " Drop it! " thing I was saying meant something though. LOL -Alyssa On Behalf Of Penny Thursday, April 12, 2007 10:01 AM RE: Re: Bryan avocados for dogs is supposed to be a no no This is so strange! I guess it's because some of these things I've read in dog books (written by trainers and vets) are recommended for different things. One natural flea cure included garlic cloves and I think jalapenos? I know that garlic is suppose to help repel fleas on dogs. Also, another one recommended giving your dog slices of apple to cure doggie breath. I guess the main thing is moderation in how much you give your animal and being sure you don't give them the pips from the apples. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2007 Report Share Posted April 12, 2007 I think there's supposed to be something poisonous in the apple seeds. Didn't someone say that somewhere? I can't remember now, I'm seriously sleep deprived! On Behalf Of Alyssa Thursday, April 12, 2007 11:25 AM Apples and Dogs: for Penny Penny, Are you talking about the apple cores? If so, what's the deal with giving them to dogs. Sadie has managed to snatch one before when I accidentally dropped it on the floor, and then the other day... I gave her what was left of my apple, thinking she wouldn't eat the core. Before I could get it back from her, she had eaten half of it. She thought that chasing her while she had the core was the most fun game too! I could get really close, but when I would try to grab it from her, she'd run off again. She finally got it through her head that the " Drop it! " thing I was saying meant something though. LOL -Alyssa On Behalf Of Penny Thursday, April 12, 2007 10:01 AM RE: Re: Bryan avocados for dogs is supposed to be a no no This is so strange! I guess it's because some of these things I've read in dog books (written by trainers and vets) are recommended for different things. One natural flea cure included garlic cloves and I think jalapenos? I know that garlic is suppose to help repel fleas on dogs. Also, another one recommended giving your dog slices of apple to cure doggie breath. I guess the main thing is moderation in how much you give your animal and being sure you don't give them the pips from the apples. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2007 Report Share Posted April 12, 2007 Apples should not be a problem at all. Don't grind up the seeds and feed them to them, or feed them large amounts, certainly, but just like with people, the occasional apple seed is just going to go through the digestive tract unaltered. It's too hard to digest to be a problem in most cases. The warnings about apple seeds are predominantly for people who use a juicer to make their own apple juice, since it takes a lot of apples to make juice and the juicer will puree the seeds, making them digestible. So, provided your dog isn't eating the pureed seeds from a bag of apples, things should be ok. It never hurts to pick them out of the apple, but I wouldn't worry if my dog ate an apple core either, personally. Teaching " drop it " is simple. During the learning process, just say " drop it " when they have a toy in their mouth and show them a tasty treat. They'll drop the toy to take it. Practice it until they drop it regularly, even when you still have the treat behind your back or sitting on a table or another room. Veronica At 11:24 AM 4/12/2007 -0500, you wrote: >Penny, > >Are you talking about the apple cores? If so, what's the deal with giving >them to dogs. Sadie has managed to snatch one before when I accidentally >dropped it on the floor, and then the other day... I gave her what was left >of my apple, thinking she wouldn't eat the core. Before I could get it back >from her, she had eaten half of it. She thought that chasing her while she >had the core was the most fun game too! I could get really close, but when I >would try to grab it from her, she'd run off again. She finally got it >through her head that the " Drop it! " thing I was saying meant something >though. LOL > > >-Alyssa ******** Yummy for Dogs...a fun way to treat your dog and help rescue animals too! www.yummyfordogs.org Veronica Noechel, Trainer, Sylvie's K9 Solutions...we train to please! and the canine crew... Harvey Milk's Revco Ubercute Superdog Hellion's Dump-n-Drive Usagi Tsukino Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2007 Report Share Posted April 12, 2007 Arsenic, but be sure to read the other post I sent. Unless you're grinding up the seeds, it's not something to worry about. Veronica At 12:38 PM 4/12/2007 -0500, you wrote: >I think there's supposed to be something poisonous in the apple seeds. >Didn't someone say that somewhere? I can't remember now, I'm seriously >sleep deprived! ******** Yummy for Dogs...a fun way to treat your dog and help rescue animals too! www.yummyfordogs.org Veronica Noechel, Trainer, Sylvie's K9 Solutions...we train to please! and the canine crew... Harvey Milk's Revco Ubercute Superdog Hellion's Dump-n-Drive Usagi Tsukino Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2007 Report Share Posted April 13, 2007 Why are you feeding apples to dogs? Last time I checked, dogs were listed as carnivores and apples are listed as a fruit. LOL. Apples or any other plant based food should be feed very, very sparingly to dogs or not at all. They can't digest it properly. I am sorry for being critical. It is meant in the most sincere and informative way. Amos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2007 Report Share Posted April 13, 2007 Amos, I feed them to her because she likes them. It's not like I give them to her as her main food anyway, just a treat. She thinks lots of fruits and veggies are very good. Plus, look at dry dog food. It has vegetables in it, so it's obviously not going to hurt anything. The majority of her food, in fact, is veggie derived because of her allergie issues. Though she would be more than happy to kill something in our backyard (she has in the past), it doesn't happen on a regular enough basis to keep her satisfied. And I'm not gonna do it (LOL), so she eats what she can... Which in her case is... Anything... I've never seen any dog that eats like this one actually. It doesn't matter what I have given her in the past. If I like it, she will; if I don't, she doesn't. Very strange actually. -Alyssa On Behalf Of go_big247 Friday, April 13, 2007 9:50 AM Re: Apples and Dogs: for Penny Why are you feeding apples to dogs? Last time I checked, dogs were listed as carnivores and apples are listed as a fruit. LOL. Apples or any other plant based food should be feed very, very sparingly to dogs or not at all. They can't digest it properly. I am sorry for being critical. It is meant in the most sincere and informative way. Amos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2007 Report Share Posted April 13, 2007 Dogs are nutritional omnivores (pandas are classified as carnivores to, but are dietary herbivores--the classification doesn't dictate diet) and benefit from the antioxidants, fiber, etc. that plant based foods offer. An all-meat diet is never recommended for dogs and would lead to severe constipation among other problems. Anal gland impaction is a common problem in dogs with too little plant matter in their diet, and plant based foods are shown to reduce the risk of cancer in dogs. Veggie dogs are becoming more and more common as we see that not all dogs or breeds do well on a meat-based diet. The feeding of so much meat to our dogs is a relatively new thing and there are some indications that we are feeding them way more meat than their bodies can handle. Dogs are not domesticated wolves and natural history is finding that they may have even less in common with wolves than we ever thought in the past. Rather than hunters, domestic dogs evolved from scavengers, living near humans by choice so they could eat our trash. Not that you should feed dogs trash, but fresh foods can be chosen that mimic their scavenging ways better. Veronica At 08:47 AM 4/13/2007 -0700, you wrote: >Why are you feeding apples to dogs? Last time I checked, dogs were >listed as carnivores and apples are listed as a fruit. LOL. Apples >or any other plant based food should be feed very, very sparingly to >dogs or not at all. They can't digest it properly. I am sorry for >being critical. It is meant in the most sincere and informative way. > >Amos ******** Yummy for Dogs...a fun way to treat your dog and help rescue animals too! www.yummyfordogs.org Veronica Noechel, Trainer, Sylvie's K9 Solutions...we train to please! and the canine crew... Harvey Milk's Revco Ubercute Superdog Hellion's Dump-n-Drive Usagi Tsukino Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2007 Report Share Posted April 13, 2007 If you want to see something my dogs love, feed them a bowl of oatmeal!!! Marilyn Daub mcdaub Vanceburg, KY My Cats Knead Me!! - Yummy For Dogs Friday, April 13, 2007 2:07 PM Re: Re: Apples and Dogs: for Penny Dogs are nutritional omnivores (pandas are classified as carnivores to, but are dietary herbivores--the classification doesn't dictate diet) and benefit from the antioxidants, fiber, etc. that plant based foods offer. An all-meat diet is never recommended for dogs and would lead to severe constipation among other problems. Anal gland impaction is a common problem in dogs with too little plant matter in their diet, and plant based foods are shown to reduce the risk of cancer in dogs. Veggie dogs are becoming more and more common as we see that not all dogs or breeds do well on a meat-based diet. The feeding of so much meat to our dogs is a relatively new thing and there are some indications that we are feeding them way more meat than their bodies can handle. Dogs are not domesticated wolves and natural history is finding that they may have even less in common with wolves than we ever thought in the past. Rather than hunters, domestic dogs evolved from scavengers, living near humans by choice so they could eat our trash. Not that you should feed dogs trash, but fresh foods can be chosen that mimic their scavenging ways better. Veronica At 08:47 AM 4/13/2007 -0700, you wrote: >Why are you feeding apples to dogs? Last time I checked, dogs were >listed as carnivores and apples are listed as a fruit. LOL. Apples >or any other plant based food should be feed very, very sparingly to >dogs or not at all. They can't digest it properly. I am sorry for >being critical. It is meant in the most sincere and informative way. > >Amos ******** Yummy for Dogs...a fun way to treat your dog and help rescue animals too! www.yummyfordogs.org Veronica Noechel, Trainer, Sylvie's K9 Solutions...we train to please! and the canine crew... Harvey Milk's Revco Ubercute Superdog Hellion's Dump-n-Drive Usagi Tsukino Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2007 Report Share Posted April 13, 2007 Here's my last post on this subject. I'm not advocating anyone just indiscriminately change their dog to a vegetarian or vegan diet (the dogs eat Pedigree Lamb & Rice), but I'm certainly considering it for my dogs and cats after reading this study. http://www.helpinganimals.com/pdfs/Dog_Health_Survey.pdf If you want to change your animal's diet, I'd do just like they advise you about changing your diet - talk to the doctor (vet), and do all the research you can. Some of the stuff I read in this study was really amazing to me. Especially since I have two medium to large breed dogs (one is 43.7 pounds and one is about 70 pounds) and two very fat cats. But be smart and be careful, I'd hate for any animal to get sick because we changed their diet suddenly and maybe fed them something that isn't good for them. I'm not really sure where to look for advice about good foods for them (a friend of mine who ISN'T vegetarian found this for me), but it's got to be out there, maybe even on the Physicians For Responsible Medicine website - they seem to cover just about everything else! Or you might check with some veterinarian websites to see what they have to say. I just thought this study was pretty interesting and the results were very surprising to me, not at all what I would have thought for a dog. On Behalf Of Marilyn Daub Friday, April 13, 2007 6:29 PM Re: Re: Apples and Dogs: for Penny If you want to see something my dogs love, feed them a bowl of oatmeal!!! Marilyn Daub mcdaub Vanceburg, KY My Cats Knead Me!! - Yummy For Dogs Friday, April 13, 2007 2:07 PM Re: Re: Apples and Dogs: for Penny Dogs are nutritional omnivores (pandas are classified as carnivores to, but are dietary herbivores--the classification doesn't dictate diet) and benefit from the antioxidants, fiber, etc. that plant based foods offer. An all-meat diet is never recommended for dogs and would lead to severe constipation among other problems. Anal gland impaction is a common problem in dogs with too little plant matter in their diet, and plant based foods are shown to reduce the risk of cancer in dogs. Veggie dogs are becoming more and more common as we see that not all dogs or breeds do well on a meat-based diet. The feeding of so much meat to our dogs is a relatively new thing and there are some indications that we are feeding them way more meat than their bodies can handle. Dogs are not domesticated wolves and natural history is finding that they may have even less in common with wolves than we ever thought in the past. Rather than hunters, domestic dogs evolved from scavengers, living near humans by choice so they could eat our trash. Not that you should feed dogs trash, but fresh foods can be chosen that mimic their scavenging ways better. Veronica At 08:47 AM 4/13/2007 -0700, you wrote: >Why are you feeding apples to dogs? Last time I checked, dogs were >listed as carnivores and apples are listed as a fruit. LOL. Apples >or any other plant based food should be feed very, very sparingly to >dogs or not at all. They can't digest it properly. I am sorry for >being critical. It is meant in the most sincere and informative way. > >Amos ******** Yummy for Dogs...a fun way to treat your dog and help rescue animals too! www.yummyfordogs.org Veronica Noechel, Trainer, Sylvie's K9 Solutions...we train to please! and the canine crew... Harvey Milk's Revco Ubercute Superdog Hellion's Dump-n-Drive Usagi Tsukino Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2007 Report Share Posted April 14, 2007 Hiya, I have had a vegetarian dog for 16 years, now I have another, very lovely mannered, and non-smelling which I find is a difference between meateating and veggie dogs. I used to live in India where there are many vegetarian dogs, living with their vegatarian humans, and they do well. I stayed for a while with a lady and her veggie dog who ate a lot of rice and chappaties. Of course, dogs are omnivores, not carnivores like cats. I was happy to see this in India for it meant I could have a dog and not have to touch meat. My own dog, Angel, eats mostly the leftovers from whatever we are eating, as dogs did for hundreds of years in old times. Lots of grains and pulses, absolutely all kind of things. She is a fussy eater as well, and apples are not her thing, though bean sprouts, for instance, are, she picks what she prefers, is healthy and much admired by other people. from Susie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2007 Report Share Posted April 14, 2007 If you want to try a home cooked diet, but don't feel confident in formulating your own, I'm very fond of Dr. Harvey's. You add the protein source to the mix in the bag and cook. Lentils are a highly recommended protein source (as backed up by the study you mentioned. http://www.naturespet.com/drharveyscusine.html Veronica At 09:47 PM 4/13/2007 -0500, you wrote: >Here's my last post on this subject. I'm not advocating anyone just >indiscriminately change their dog to a vegetarian or vegan diet (the dogs >eat Pedigree Lamb & Rice), but I'm certainly considering it for my dogs and >cats after reading this study. ><http://www.helpinganimals.com/pdfs/Dog_Health_Survey.pdf>http://www.helpingani\ mals.com/pdfs/Dog_Health_Survey.pdf ******** Yummy for Dogs...a fun way to treat your dog and help rescue animals too! www.yummyfordogs.org Veronica Noechel, Trainer, Sylvie's K9 Solutions...we train to please! and the canine crew... Harvey Milk's Revco Ubercute Superdog Hellion's Dump-n-Drive Usagi Tsukino Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2007 Report Share Posted April 15, 2007 Veronica, It is cyanide, not arsenic. Other members of the Rosaceae family (plums, apricots, peaches, etc) also have cyanide in the seeds. Here is a good link for more info on things that are supposedly toxic to dogs (although I think it depends a lot on dosage): http://www.lacetoleather.com/fataltodogs.html Bryan via Iquitos, Peru , Yummy For Dogs <dogchef wrote: > > Arsenic, but be sure to read the other post I sent. Unless you're grinding > up the seeds, it's not something to worry about. > > Veronica Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2007 Report Share Posted April 16, 2007 Oops on the apple seeds! Cyanide is correct. Sorry I mixed that up. There's a lot of mixed up info on the web. This, by far, is the best site I've found on the topic, mostly because it's lets you have a lot of reputable sites at once so you can cross reference. Though correct on some things, the lacetoleather link says tomatoes are toxic and cites the ASPCA poison control site, however, that is not accurate according to the ASPCA poison control site which indicates that the problem is in the green stems and leaves of the plant only, which is backed up by the Cornell site (in their FAQ: the fruit does not contain enough tomatine to cause reactions--it is a scant amount).--eeek, please excuse the run-on sentence!--Anyway, there are loads of vet school sites linked here: http://www.uexplore.com/health/poisonplants.htm as well as the ASPCA poison control site. I always double check these sites when I get the frantic " ________ is POISON to DOGS " emails we all find in our emailboxes. It helps to check out these sites and match up info on several to make sure the info is credible. Thanks for correcting me on the applies. Pits can also cause blockage, so they should be avoided anyway. Veronica At 01:36 AM 4/16/2007 +0000, you wrote: >Veronica, > >It is cyanide, not arsenic. Other members of the Rosaceae family >(plums, apricots, peaches, etc) also have cyanide in the seeds. Here >is a good link for more info on things that are supposedly toxic to >dogs (although I think it depends a lot on dosage): ><http://www.lacetoleather.com/fataltodogs.html>http://www.lacetoleather.com/fat\ altodogs.html > >Bryan >via Iquitos, Peru > ******** Yummy for Dogs...a fun way to treat your dog and help rescue animals too! www.yummyfordogs.org Veronica Noechel, Trainer, Sylvie's K9 Solutions...we train to please! and the canine crew... Harvey Milk's Revco Ubercute Superdog Hellion's Dump-n-Drive Usagi Tsukino Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2007 Report Share Posted April 17, 2007 Also, with the emails, it's helpful to check out the Snopes.com site. Last year I got the one about the mulch being sold at Target and several large chains (I'm thinking Lowes or Home Depot) and that one turned out to be true because they were using the hulls of the cocoa bean in it. I know at the time of the original email they were pulling the product and I think they discontinued it all together, but it was a big deal then because a lot of people were using it because it smelled better. On Behalf Of Yummy For Dogs Tuesday, April 17, 2007 12:29 AM Re: Re: Apples and Dogs: for Penny Oops on the apple seeds! Cyanide is correct. Sorry I mixed that up. There's a lot of mixed up info on the web. This, by far, is the best site I've found on the topic, mostly because it's lets you have a lot of reputable sites at once so you can cross reference. Though correct on some things, the lacetoleather link says tomatoes are toxic and cites the ASPCA poison control site, however, that is not accurate according to the ASPCA poison control site which indicates that the problem is in the green stems and leaves of the plant only, which is backed up by the Cornell site (in their FAQ: the fruit does not contain enough tomatine to cause reactions--it is a scant amount).--eeek, please excuse the run-on sentence!--Anyway, there are loads of vet school sites linked here: http://www.uexplore.com/health/poisonplants.htm as well as the ASPCA poison control site. I always double check these sites when I get the frantic " ________ is POISON to DOGS " emails we all find in our emailboxes. It helps to check out these sites and match up info on several to make sure the info is credible. Thanks for correcting me on the applies. Pits can also cause blockage, so they should be avoided anyway. Veronica At 01:36 AM 4/16/2007 +0000, you wrote: >Veronica, > >It is cyanide, not arsenic. Other members of the Rosaceae family >(plums, apricots, peaches, etc) also have cyanide in the seeds. Here >is a good link for more info on things that are supposedly toxic to >dogs (although I think it depends a lot on dosage): ><http://www.lacetoleather.com/fataltodogs.html>http://www.lacetoleather.com /fataltodogs.html > >Bryan >via Iquitos, Peru > ******** Yummy for Dogs...a fun way to treat your dog and help rescue animals too! www.yummyfordogs.org Veronica Noechel, Trainer, Sylvie's K9 Solutions...we train to please! and the canine crew... Harvey Milk's Revco Ubercute Superdog Hellion's Dump-n-Drive Usagi Tsukino Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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