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Hi all, I'm Ilse and I've been vegetarian for most of my life. I fell

off the wagon a bit in college but have been vegetarian solidly for

almost 20 years now. My husband is vegetarian also, for almost 14

years. WE have a 17 mo old son that we are raising veggie.

 

I have several " issues " right now that I am trying to work through. I

hope folks can provide advice. Our diet does consist of a lot of meat

substitutes. Boca, Morningstar farms, Quorn, etc. i've been able to

help my husband be vegetarian by figuring out how to make meals the

resemble " typical " American meals (tacos or burritos with " beef " , etc.)

and Greek foods (his heritage) as well. My son has been eating lots of

these substitutes as well. He hates tofu! He has a big thing about

texture ( as do I) and is not very interested in fruits and veggies

(argh). We are working on normalizing fruits and veggies in their pure

form for him (he will eat them pureed). He doesn't seem to like

complicated foods either. He likes one or two ingredients at the most.

Casseroles are not a hit. I constantly do put a variety of foods in

front of him but he never eats them, and I don't pressure. Anyway, I

read an article in Mothering about how bad processed soy foods are

generally, and how soy can be detrimental to boys reproductive and other

development. It seemed a little alarmist but now I am freaking out. My

son does also drink soy milk because at one year, he was lactose

intolerant. So, he is getting a ton of soy.

 

I guess my first question is, what are people's thoughts on the claims

about (processed) soy? Am I worrying needlessly? Is it still better

than meat?

 

And my second is, how can I make a shift to cooking less with processed

foods?

 

I'm concerned for my son's health, and ours.

 

Many thanks in advance for your ideas.

 

Ilse

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Hi Ilse,

 

Dr. McDougall has a pretty balanced article on soy protein.

Basically, he recommends moderation and eating less processed soy

products. Here is his article:

http://www.drmcdougall.com/misc/2005nl/april/050400pusoy.htm

 

Bryan

 

, " Ilse Knecht " <iknecht

wrote:

>

> Hi all, I'm Ilse and I've been vegetarian for most of my life. I

fell

> off the wagon a bit in college but have been vegetarian solidly for

> almost 20 years now. My husband is vegetarian also, for almost 14

> years. WE have a 17 mo old son that we are raising veggie.

>

> I have several " issues " right now that I am trying to work through.

I

> hope folks can provide advice. Our diet does consist of a lot of

meat

> substitutes. Boca, Morningstar farms, Quorn, etc. i've been able

to

> help my husband be vegetarian by figuring out how to make meals the

> resemble " typical " American meals (tacos or burritos with " beef " ,

etc.)

> and Greek foods (his heritage) as well. My son has been eating lots

of

> these substitutes as well. He hates tofu! He has a big thing about

> texture ( as do I) and is not very interested in fruits and veggies

> (argh). We are working on normalizing fruits and veggies in their

pure

> form for him (he will eat them pureed). He doesn't seem to like

> complicated foods either. He likes one or two ingredients at the

most.

> Casseroles are not a hit. I constantly do put a variety of foods in

> front of him but he never eats them, and I don't pressure. Anyway,

I

> read an article in Mothering about how bad processed soy foods are

> generally, and how soy can be detrimental to boys reproductive and

other

> development. It seemed a little alarmist but now I am freaking

out. My

> son does also drink soy milk because at one year, he was lactose

> intolerant. So, he is getting a ton of soy.

>

> I guess my first question is, what are people's thoughts on the

claims

> about (processed) soy? Am I worrying needlessly? Is it still better

> than meat?

>

> And my second is, how can I make a shift to cooking less with

processed

> foods?

>

> I'm concerned for my son's health, and ours.

>

> Many thanks in advance for your ideas.

>

> Ilse

>

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Hi Ilse,

 

I have 2 small children (3 & 4). My theory about food and raising my

children is: Everything in Moderation!! Both my children eat meat,

tofu, soy products, soy cheese & regular cheese. My daughter is

leaning more towards fruits & veggies and my son is leaning more

towards meat. I think their bodies tell them what they need. I have

read that at a young age too much soy will effect their livers but I

think they need to consume 2500 calories of pure soy to damage their

livers.

 

As parents we will always worry about our children's health. I just

try to avoid doritos, cheetos, etc. and fast food places with them

and I hope that what I am feeding them will create good eating habits

for them when we get older.

 

Tracey

 

, " Ilse Knecht " <iknecht

wrote:

>

> Hi all, I'm Ilse and I've been vegetarian for most of my life. I

fell

> off the wagon a bit in college but have been vegetarian solidly for

> almost 20 years now. My husband is vegetarian also, for almost 14

> years. WE have a 17 mo old son that we are raising veggie.

>

> I have several " issues " right now that I am trying to work through.

I

> hope folks can provide advice. Our diet does consist of a lot of

meat

> substitutes. Boca, Morningstar farms, Quorn, etc. i've been able

to

> help my husband be vegetarian by figuring out how to make meals the

> resemble " typical " American meals (tacos or burritos with " beef " ,

etc.)

> and Greek foods (his heritage) as well. My son has been eating lots

of

> these substitutes as well. He hates tofu! He has a big thing about

> texture ( as do I) and is not very interested in fruits and veggies

> (argh). We are working on normalizing fruits and veggies in their

pure

> form for him (he will eat them pureed). He doesn't seem to like

> complicated foods either. He likes one or two ingredients at the

most.

> Casseroles are not a hit. I constantly do put a variety of foods in

> front of him but he never eats them, and I don't pressure. Anyway,

I

> read an article in Mothering about how bad processed soy foods are

> generally, and how soy can be detrimental to boys reproductive and

other

> development. It seemed a little alarmist but now I am freaking

out. My

> son does also drink soy milk because at one year, he was lactose

> intolerant. So, he is getting a ton of soy.

>

> I guess my first question is, what are people's thoughts on the

claims

> about (processed) soy? Am I worrying needlessly? Is it still better

> than meat?

>

> And my second is, how can I make a shift to cooking less with

processed

> foods?

>

> I'm concerned for my son's health, and ours.

>

> Many thanks in advance for your ideas.

>

> Ilse

>

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Thanks for this link. I think I have to do a serious overhaul of our

eating habits. My husband isn't going to like this! We do use a lot of

Quorn products, which are not soy, but I'm sure the processing of Quorn

does horrible things too.

 

Ilse

 

 

 

>>> brbrunner 04/21/07 9:01 AM >>>

Hi Ilse,

 

Dr. McDougall has a pretty balanced article on soy protein.

Basically, he recommends moderation and eating less processed soy

products. Here is his article:

http://www.drmcdougall.com/misc/2005nl/april/050400pusoy.htm

 

Bryan

 

, " Ilse Knecht " <iknecht

wrote:

>

> Hi all, I'm Ilse and I've been vegetarian for most of my life. I

fell

> off the wagon a bit in college but have been vegetarian solidly for

> almost 20 years now. My husband is vegetarian also, for almost 14

> years. WE have a 17 mo old son that we are raising veggie.

>

> I have several " issues " right now that I am trying to work through.

I

> hope folks can provide advice. Our diet does consist of a lot of

meat

> substitutes. Boca, Morningstar farms, Quorn, etc. i've been able

to

> help my husband be vegetarian by figuring out how to make meals the

> resemble " typical " American meals (tacos or burritos with " beef " ,

etc.)

> and Greek foods (his heritage) as well. My son has been eating lots

of

> these substitutes as well. He hates tofu! He has a big thing about

> texture ( as do I) and is not very interested in fruits and veggies

> (argh). We are working on normalizing fruits and veggies in their

pure

> form for him (he will eat them pureed). He doesn't seem to like

> complicated foods either. He likes one or two ingredients at the

most.

> Casseroles are not a hit. I constantly do put a variety of foods in

> front of him but he never eats them, and I don't pressure. Anyway,

I

> read an article in Mothering about how bad processed soy foods are

> generally, and how soy can be detrimental to boys reproductive and

other

> development. It seemed a little alarmist but now I am freaking

out. My

> son does also drink soy milk because at one year, he was lactose

> intolerant. So, he is getting a ton of soy.

>

> I guess my first question is, what are people's thoughts on the

claims

> about (processed) soy? Am I worrying needlessly? Is it still better

> than meat?

>

> And my second is, how can I make a shift to cooking less with

processed

> foods?

>

> I'm concerned for my son's health, and ours.

>

> Many thanks in advance for your ideas.

>

> Ilse

>

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I agree - that is my motto in life. But when it comes to your kids, its

almost hard to stick to! Anyone know about rice milk or almond milk? Is

it made the same way as soy milk?

 

Ilse

 

>>> traceymosko 04/21/07 9:37 AM >>>

Hi Ilse,

 

I have 2 small children (3 & 4). My theory about food and raising my

children is: Everything in Moderation!! Both my children eat meat,

tofu, soy products, soy cheese & regular cheese. My daughter is

leaning more towards fruits & veggies and my son is leaning more

towards meat. I think their bodies tell them what they need. I have

read that at a young age too much soy will effect their livers but I

think they need to consume 2500 calories of pure soy to damage their

livers.

 

As parents we will always worry about our children's health. I just

try to avoid doritos, cheetos, etc. and fast food places with them

and I hope that what I am feeding them will create good eating habits

for them when we get older.

 

Tracey

 

, " Ilse Knecht " <iknecht

wrote:

>

> Hi all, I'm Ilse and I've been vegetarian for most of my life. I

fell

> off the wagon a bit in college but have been vegetarian solidly for

> almost 20 years now. My husband is vegetarian also, for almost 14

> years. WE have a 17 mo old son that we are raising veggie.

>

> I have several " issues " right now that I am trying to work through.

I

> hope folks can provide advice. Our diet does consist of a lot of

meat

> substitutes. Boca, Morningstar farms, Quorn, etc. i've been able

to

> help my husband be vegetarian by figuring out how to make meals the

> resemble " typical " American meals (tacos or burritos with " beef " ,

etc.)

> and Greek foods (his heritage) as well. My son has been eating lots

of

> these substitutes as well. He hates tofu! He has a big thing about

> texture ( as do I) and is not very interested in fruits and veggies

> (argh). We are working on normalizing fruits and veggies in their

pure

> form for him (he will eat them pureed). He doesn't seem to like

> complicated foods either. He likes one or two ingredients at the

most.

> Casseroles are not a hit. I constantly do put a variety of foods in

> front of him but he never eats them, and I don't pressure. Anyway,

I

> read an article in Mothering about how bad processed soy foods are

> generally, and how soy can be detrimental to boys reproductive and

other

> development. It seemed a little alarmist but now I am freaking

out. My

> son does also drink soy milk because at one year, he was lactose

> intolerant. So, he is getting a ton of soy.

>

> I guess my first question is, what are people's thoughts on the

claims

> about (processed) soy? Am I worrying needlessly? Is it still better

> than meat?

>

> And my second is, how can I make a shift to cooking less with

processed

> foods?

>

> I'm concerned for my son's health, and ours.

>

> Many thanks in advance for your ideas.

>

> Ilse

>

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When did your children start asking questions about why you and they

don't eat meat?? My children have never asked me. If we are grilling

I would eat a veggie burger, if we are having having nuggets I would

eat veggie nuggets, and I love the " fake " bacon. They always just

refer to all the 'meat'less stuff as Mommy's stuff. But they do

it 'Mommy's stuff' too.

 

I guess when the time comes and they know that meat comes from

animals I will tell them why I don't. And at that time they will

decide. I will provide them all the info but I really would like it

to be their decision.

 

Tracey

 

, " wwjd " <jtwigg wrote:

>

> I don't think that processed soy/wheat products are a bad thing.

Many of these substitutes can be made, but these ones already made,

are easy to makes meals with the shorter time for preparation and

provide the chewy texture that many enjoy. They provide lots of

variety to meals and you don't make a whole meal of them. Many times

you are adding them to a dish with many other things in it like a

stir fry, casserole, shiskabobs, soup, chili's, pizza, etc.......

so it is not like you are eating a huge concentration of it and only

that.

>

> Wheat gluten, is great meat substitute and very easy to make, if

you choose to. You can buy it, in a can also already in chunks or

slices.

>

> On my dad's side of the family, I am a 3rd generation vegetarian,

and raising a 4th generation of lacto- ova vegetarians and we are all

healthy, with no side effects of eating soy products or drinking soy

milk. We have been eating the meat substitutes all of my life and

most of my fathers life. There is a ton of misconceptions about

soy. It is really a very good legume and very versitile to make

many wonderful things. Processed things often mean, just mixed

together ingredients, like in a recipe and maybe baked or cooked and

ground up or formed in shapes. That isn't a bad thing.

>

> A healthy vegetarian diet is a good thing to raise our children

with and teach our children why it is. The next generation will be

so much better off than those raised on meat would be. We have tons

of variety in our diet and love it. I am constantly amazed at the

meat eater friends of ours, that have such limited things that they

include in their diet of good healthy veggies and fruit. Raise your

children with your convictions. They love having set parameters to

live within and will really wonder why they can eat meat and yet you

don't. Too wishy washy and confusing to children, IMHO. If you

feel it is unhealthy to eat meat, why in the world would you feed it

to your children. We do feel it is very unhealthy and our children

are great at teaching others, who are curious about their vegetarian

diet. Except for us and some families from India, we are the only

vegetarians in our city, as far as I have met. It doesn't bothe me

or our children at all. It is just our way of life. Not a debatable

issue in our home, whether it will be served or whether any meat or

would ever eat it. It just repulses us way to much to even consider

it.

>

> Judy

 

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Ilse,

 

My wife loves rice and almond milks, but I prefer soy milk. I think

they are made basically the same way. There have been posts in past

months about homemade soy milk. I use Silk soy milk, just because I

can buy it in bulk at Sam's. I also like the taste.

 

Bryan

 

, " Ilse Knecht " <iknecht

wrote:

>

> I agree - that is my motto in life. But when it comes to your kids,

its

> almost hard to stick to! Anyone know about rice milk or almond milk?

Is

> it made the same way as soy milk?

>

> Ilse

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And to those of you who drink Silk soymilk (I drink that and 8th Continent),

if you go to their website and enter your UPC code they have something going

on to do with carbon offsets. Sorry, I don't have more information, but

even if you don't drink Silk, you can go to their site and they have codes

you can use. Also a virtual house tour that tells you different things you

can do to help reduce your energy costs and make your home more green.

 

 

 

On Behalf Of brbrunner

Monday, April 23, 2007 7:51 AM

 

Re: introduction and help with 17 mo old.

 

Ilse,

 

My wife loves rice and almond milks, but I prefer soy milk. I think

they are made basically the same way. There have been posts in past

months about homemade soy milk. I use Silk soy milk, just because I

can buy it in bulk at Sam's. I also like the taste.

 

Bryan

 

, " Ilse Knecht " <iknecht

wrote:

>

> I agree - that is my motto in life. But when it comes to your kids,

its

> almost hard to stick to! Anyone know about rice milk or almond milk?

Is

> it made the same way as soy milk?

>

> Ilse

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Thanks. I'll probably try all 3 with my son.

 

Ilse

 

>>> brbrunner 04/23/07 8:51 AM >>>

Ilse,

 

My wife loves rice and almond milks, but I prefer soy milk. I think

they are made basically the same way. There have been posts in past

months about homemade soy milk. I use Silk soy milk, just because I

can buy it in bulk at Sam's. I also like the taste.

 

Bryan

 

, " Ilse Knecht " <iknecht

wrote:

>

> I agree - that is my motto in life. But when it comes to your kids,

its

> almost hard to stick to! Anyone know about rice milk or almond milk?

Is

> it made the same way as soy milk?

>

> Ilse

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Ilse,

Babies and young children require more fat in their diets than adults.

Mother's milk contains quite a bit of fat. Commercial soymilk does

not have enough fat for those children. Soy formula has the required

amount of fat. It's required for brain and nerve development.

 

 

, " Ilse Knecht " <iknecht

wrote:

>

> Hi all, I'm Ilse and I've been vegetarian for most of my life. I

fell

> off the wagon a bit in college but have been vegetarian solidly for

> almost 20 years now. My husband is vegetarian also, for almost 14

> years. WE have a 17 mo old son that we are raising veggie.

>

> I have several " issues " right now that I am trying to work through.

I

> hope folks can provide advice. Our diet does consist of a lot of

meat

> substitutes. Boca, Morningstar farms, Quorn, etc. i've been able

to

> help my husband be vegetarian by figuring out how to make meals the

> resemble " typical " American meals (tacos or burritos with " beef " ,

etc.)

> and Greek foods (his heritage) as well. My son has been eating lots

of

> these substitutes as well. He hates tofu! He has a big thing about

> texture ( as do I) and is not very interested in fruits and veggies

> (argh). We are working on normalizing fruits and veggies in their

pure

> form for him (he will eat them pureed). He doesn't seem to like

> complicated foods either. He likes one or two ingredients at the

most.

> Casseroles are not a hit. I constantly do put a variety of foods in

> front of him but he never eats them, and I don't pressure. Anyway,

I

> read an article in Mothering about how bad processed soy foods are

> generally, and how soy can be detrimental to boys reproductive and

other

> development. It seemed a little alarmist but now I am freaking

out. My

> son does also drink soy milk because at one year, he was lactose

> intolerant. So, he is getting a ton of soy.

>

> I guess my first question is, what are people's thoughts on the

claims

> about (processed) soy? Am I worrying needlessly? Is it still better

> than meat?

>

> And my second is, how can I make a shift to cooking less with

processed

> foods?

>

> I'm concerned for my son's health, and ours.

>

> Many thanks in advance for your ideas.

>

> Ilse

>

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Right, that is why I am concerned about my son seeming to have an

intolerance to milk. Any advice on how to get him the right amount of

fat?

 

Ilse

 

>>> norm 04/24/07 12:03 AM >>>

Ilse,

Babies and young children require more fat in their diets than adults.

Mother's milk contains quite a bit of fat. Commercial soymilk does

not have enough fat for those children. Soy formula has the required

amount of fat. It's required for brain and nerve development.

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Ilse,

 

The following link will take you to the article from which the paragraph

below was excerpted. It contains many links to other informative pieces.

 

http://jn.nutrition.org/cgi/content/full/133/9/2962S#B6

 

" Human milk provides a fat-energy ratio (FER) of 50%. Most of the fat is

provided as saturated and monounsaturated fatty acids and a relatively high

cholesterol intake of 100-150 mg/d. Formula-fed infants receive a similar

FER but in contrast receive a much lower cholesterol intake, 25-60 mg/d. A

mix of vegetable oils (corn, soy, safflower, olive or sunflower) is added to

most formulas. The oleic acid or LA content will depend on the oil source.

The use of vegetable oils in the infant diet is based on availability,

nutritional properties and relative costs. "

 

Norm

 

 

 

 

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Tue Apr 24, 2007 8:44 am (PST)

 

Right, that is why I am concerned about my son seeming to have an

intolerance to milk. Any advice on how to get him the right amount of

fat?

 

Ilse

 

>>> <norm%40plateautel.net> norm 04/24/07 12:03 AM

>>>

Ilse,

Babies and young children require more fat in their diets than adults.

Mother's milk contains quite a bit of fat. Commercial soymilk does

not have enough fat for those children. Soy formula has the required

amount of fat. It's required for brain and nerve development.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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There is lactaid for lactose intolerance. Also soy milk is an acceptable

alternative after a year old.

 

From experience as a daycare provider I have seen children who spt up

regular milk who were able to still eat cheese and yogurt. I was told it has

to do with the bacteria needed to culture them. Also butter can be used in

small amounts.

There are also avacados, nuts (safe after 1 year), nut butters ect.

Hope that helps

Liudwih

 

 

On 4/24/07, Ilse Knecht <iknecht wrote:

>

> Right, that is why I am concerned about my son seeming to have an

> intolerance to milk. Any advice on how to get him the right amount of

> fat?

>

> Ilse

>

> >>> norm <norm%40plateautel.net> 04/24/07 12:03 AM >>>

> Ilse,

> Babies and young children require more fat in their diets than adults.

> Mother's milk contains quite a bit of fat. Commercial soymilk does

> not have enough fat for those children. Soy formula has the required

> amount of fat. It's required for brain and nerve development.

>

>

>

 

 

 

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