Guest guest Posted April 20, 2007 Report Share Posted April 20, 2007 Hi all, I'm Ilse and I've been vegetarian for most of my life. I fell off the wagon a bit in college but have been vegetarian solidly for almost 20 years now. My husband is vegetarian also, for almost 14 years. WE have a 17 mo old son that we are raising veggie. I have several " issues " right now that I am trying to work through. I hope folks can provide advice. Our diet does consist of a lot of meat substitutes. Boca, Morningstar farms, Quorn, etc. i've been able to help my husband be vegetarian by figuring out how to make meals the resemble " typical " American meals (tacos or burritos with " beef " , etc.) and Greek foods (his heritage) as well. My son has been eating lots of these substitutes as well. He hates tofu! He has a big thing about texture ( as do I) and is not very interested in fruits and veggies (argh). We are working on normalizing fruits and veggies in their pure form for him (he will eat them pureed). He doesn't seem to like complicated foods either. He likes one or two ingredients at the most. Casseroles are not a hit. I constantly do put a variety of foods in front of him but he never eats them, and I don't pressure. Anyway, I read an article in Mothering about how bad processed soy foods are generally, and how soy can be detrimental to boys reproductive and other development. It seemed a little alarmist but now I am freaking out. My son does also drink soy milk because at one year, he was lactose intolerant. So, he is getting a ton of soy. I guess my first question is, what are people's thoughts on the claims about (processed) soy? Am I worrying needlessly? Is it still better than meat? And my second is, how can I make a shift to cooking less with processed foods? I'm concerned for my son's health, and ours. Many thanks in advance for your ideas. Ilse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2007 Report Share Posted April 21, 2007 Hi Ilse, Dr. McDougall has a pretty balanced article on soy protein. Basically, he recommends moderation and eating less processed soy products. Here is his article: http://www.drmcdougall.com/misc/2005nl/april/050400pusoy.htm Bryan , " Ilse Knecht " <iknecht wrote: > > Hi all, I'm Ilse and I've been vegetarian for most of my life. I fell > off the wagon a bit in college but have been vegetarian solidly for > almost 20 years now. My husband is vegetarian also, for almost 14 > years. WE have a 17 mo old son that we are raising veggie. > > I have several " issues " right now that I am trying to work through. I > hope folks can provide advice. Our diet does consist of a lot of meat > substitutes. Boca, Morningstar farms, Quorn, etc. i've been able to > help my husband be vegetarian by figuring out how to make meals the > resemble " typical " American meals (tacos or burritos with " beef " , etc.) > and Greek foods (his heritage) as well. My son has been eating lots of > these substitutes as well. He hates tofu! He has a big thing about > texture ( as do I) and is not very interested in fruits and veggies > (argh). We are working on normalizing fruits and veggies in their pure > form for him (he will eat them pureed). He doesn't seem to like > complicated foods either. He likes one or two ingredients at the most. > Casseroles are not a hit. I constantly do put a variety of foods in > front of him but he never eats them, and I don't pressure. Anyway, I > read an article in Mothering about how bad processed soy foods are > generally, and how soy can be detrimental to boys reproductive and other > development. It seemed a little alarmist but now I am freaking out. My > son does also drink soy milk because at one year, he was lactose > intolerant. So, he is getting a ton of soy. > > I guess my first question is, what are people's thoughts on the claims > about (processed) soy? Am I worrying needlessly? Is it still better > than meat? > > And my second is, how can I make a shift to cooking less with processed > foods? > > I'm concerned for my son's health, and ours. > > Many thanks in advance for your ideas. > > Ilse > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2007 Report Share Posted April 21, 2007 Hi Ilse, I have 2 small children (3 & 4). My theory about food and raising my children is: Everything in Moderation!! Both my children eat meat, tofu, soy products, soy cheese & regular cheese. My daughter is leaning more towards fruits & veggies and my son is leaning more towards meat. I think their bodies tell them what they need. I have read that at a young age too much soy will effect their livers but I think they need to consume 2500 calories of pure soy to damage their livers. As parents we will always worry about our children's health. I just try to avoid doritos, cheetos, etc. and fast food places with them and I hope that what I am feeding them will create good eating habits for them when we get older. Tracey , " Ilse Knecht " <iknecht wrote: > > Hi all, I'm Ilse and I've been vegetarian for most of my life. I fell > off the wagon a bit in college but have been vegetarian solidly for > almost 20 years now. My husband is vegetarian also, for almost 14 > years. WE have a 17 mo old son that we are raising veggie. > > I have several " issues " right now that I am trying to work through. I > hope folks can provide advice. Our diet does consist of a lot of meat > substitutes. Boca, Morningstar farms, Quorn, etc. i've been able to > help my husband be vegetarian by figuring out how to make meals the > resemble " typical " American meals (tacos or burritos with " beef " , etc.) > and Greek foods (his heritage) as well. My son has been eating lots of > these substitutes as well. He hates tofu! He has a big thing about > texture ( as do I) and is not very interested in fruits and veggies > (argh). We are working on normalizing fruits and veggies in their pure > form for him (he will eat them pureed). He doesn't seem to like > complicated foods either. He likes one or two ingredients at the most. > Casseroles are not a hit. I constantly do put a variety of foods in > front of him but he never eats them, and I don't pressure. Anyway, I > read an article in Mothering about how bad processed soy foods are > generally, and how soy can be detrimental to boys reproductive and other > development. It seemed a little alarmist but now I am freaking out. My > son does also drink soy milk because at one year, he was lactose > intolerant. So, he is getting a ton of soy. > > I guess my first question is, what are people's thoughts on the claims > about (processed) soy? Am I worrying needlessly? Is it still better > than meat? > > And my second is, how can I make a shift to cooking less with processed > foods? > > I'm concerned for my son's health, and ours. > > Many thanks in advance for your ideas. > > Ilse > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2007 Report Share Posted April 21, 2007 Thanks for this link. I think I have to do a serious overhaul of our eating habits. My husband isn't going to like this! We do use a lot of Quorn products, which are not soy, but I'm sure the processing of Quorn does horrible things too. Ilse >>> brbrunner 04/21/07 9:01 AM >>> Hi Ilse, Dr. McDougall has a pretty balanced article on soy protein. Basically, he recommends moderation and eating less processed soy products. Here is his article: http://www.drmcdougall.com/misc/2005nl/april/050400pusoy.htm Bryan , " Ilse Knecht " <iknecht wrote: > > Hi all, I'm Ilse and I've been vegetarian for most of my life. I fell > off the wagon a bit in college but have been vegetarian solidly for > almost 20 years now. My husband is vegetarian also, for almost 14 > years. WE have a 17 mo old son that we are raising veggie. > > I have several " issues " right now that I am trying to work through. I > hope folks can provide advice. Our diet does consist of a lot of meat > substitutes. Boca, Morningstar farms, Quorn, etc. i've been able to > help my husband be vegetarian by figuring out how to make meals the > resemble " typical " American meals (tacos or burritos with " beef " , etc.) > and Greek foods (his heritage) as well. My son has been eating lots of > these substitutes as well. He hates tofu! He has a big thing about > texture ( as do I) and is not very interested in fruits and veggies > (argh). We are working on normalizing fruits and veggies in their pure > form for him (he will eat them pureed). He doesn't seem to like > complicated foods either. He likes one or two ingredients at the most. > Casseroles are not a hit. I constantly do put a variety of foods in > front of him but he never eats them, and I don't pressure. Anyway, I > read an article in Mothering about how bad processed soy foods are > generally, and how soy can be detrimental to boys reproductive and other > development. It seemed a little alarmist but now I am freaking out. My > son does also drink soy milk because at one year, he was lactose > intolerant. So, he is getting a ton of soy. > > I guess my first question is, what are people's thoughts on the claims > about (processed) soy? Am I worrying needlessly? Is it still better > than meat? > > And my second is, how can I make a shift to cooking less with processed > foods? > > I'm concerned for my son's health, and ours. > > Many thanks in advance for your ideas. > > Ilse > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2007 Report Share Posted April 21, 2007 I agree - that is my motto in life. But when it comes to your kids, its almost hard to stick to! Anyone know about rice milk or almond milk? Is it made the same way as soy milk? Ilse >>> traceymosko 04/21/07 9:37 AM >>> Hi Ilse, I have 2 small children (3 & 4). My theory about food and raising my children is: Everything in Moderation!! Both my children eat meat, tofu, soy products, soy cheese & regular cheese. My daughter is leaning more towards fruits & veggies and my son is leaning more towards meat. I think their bodies tell them what they need. I have read that at a young age too much soy will effect their livers but I think they need to consume 2500 calories of pure soy to damage their livers. As parents we will always worry about our children's health. I just try to avoid doritos, cheetos, etc. and fast food places with them and I hope that what I am feeding them will create good eating habits for them when we get older. Tracey , " Ilse Knecht " <iknecht wrote: > > Hi all, I'm Ilse and I've been vegetarian for most of my life. I fell > off the wagon a bit in college but have been vegetarian solidly for > almost 20 years now. My husband is vegetarian also, for almost 14 > years. WE have a 17 mo old son that we are raising veggie. > > I have several " issues " right now that I am trying to work through. I > hope folks can provide advice. Our diet does consist of a lot of meat > substitutes. Boca, Morningstar farms, Quorn, etc. i've been able to > help my husband be vegetarian by figuring out how to make meals the > resemble " typical " American meals (tacos or burritos with " beef " , etc.) > and Greek foods (his heritage) as well. My son has been eating lots of > these substitutes as well. He hates tofu! He has a big thing about > texture ( as do I) and is not very interested in fruits and veggies > (argh). We are working on normalizing fruits and veggies in their pure > form for him (he will eat them pureed). He doesn't seem to like > complicated foods either. He likes one or two ingredients at the most. > Casseroles are not a hit. I constantly do put a variety of foods in > front of him but he never eats them, and I don't pressure. Anyway, I > read an article in Mothering about how bad processed soy foods are > generally, and how soy can be detrimental to boys reproductive and other > development. It seemed a little alarmist but now I am freaking out. My > son does also drink soy milk because at one year, he was lactose > intolerant. So, he is getting a ton of soy. > > I guess my first question is, what are people's thoughts on the claims > about (processed) soy? Am I worrying needlessly? Is it still better > than meat? > > And my second is, how can I make a shift to cooking less with processed > foods? > > I'm concerned for my son's health, and ours. > > Many thanks in advance for your ideas. > > Ilse > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2007 Report Share Posted April 21, 2007 When did your children start asking questions about why you and they don't eat meat?? My children have never asked me. If we are grilling I would eat a veggie burger, if we are having having nuggets I would eat veggie nuggets, and I love the " fake " bacon. They always just refer to all the 'meat'less stuff as Mommy's stuff. But they do it 'Mommy's stuff' too. I guess when the time comes and they know that meat comes from animals I will tell them why I don't. And at that time they will decide. I will provide them all the info but I really would like it to be their decision. Tracey , " wwjd " <jtwigg wrote: > > I don't think that processed soy/wheat products are a bad thing. Many of these substitutes can be made, but these ones already made, are easy to makes meals with the shorter time for preparation and provide the chewy texture that many enjoy. They provide lots of variety to meals and you don't make a whole meal of them. Many times you are adding them to a dish with many other things in it like a stir fry, casserole, shiskabobs, soup, chili's, pizza, etc....... so it is not like you are eating a huge concentration of it and only that. > > Wheat gluten, is great meat substitute and very easy to make, if you choose to. You can buy it, in a can also already in chunks or slices. > > On my dad's side of the family, I am a 3rd generation vegetarian, and raising a 4th generation of lacto- ova vegetarians and we are all healthy, with no side effects of eating soy products or drinking soy milk. We have been eating the meat substitutes all of my life and most of my fathers life. There is a ton of misconceptions about soy. It is really a very good legume and very versitile to make many wonderful things. Processed things often mean, just mixed together ingredients, like in a recipe and maybe baked or cooked and ground up or formed in shapes. That isn't a bad thing. > > A healthy vegetarian diet is a good thing to raise our children with and teach our children why it is. The next generation will be so much better off than those raised on meat would be. We have tons of variety in our diet and love it. I am constantly amazed at the meat eater friends of ours, that have such limited things that they include in their diet of good healthy veggies and fruit. Raise your children with your convictions. They love having set parameters to live within and will really wonder why they can eat meat and yet you don't. Too wishy washy and confusing to children, IMHO. If you feel it is unhealthy to eat meat, why in the world would you feed it to your children. We do feel it is very unhealthy and our children are great at teaching others, who are curious about their vegetarian diet. Except for us and some families from India, we are the only vegetarians in our city, as far as I have met. It doesn't bothe me or our children at all. It is just our way of life. Not a debatable issue in our home, whether it will be served or whether any meat or would ever eat it. It just repulses us way to much to even consider it. > > Judy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2007 Report Share Posted April 23, 2007 Ilse, My wife loves rice and almond milks, but I prefer soy milk. I think they are made basically the same way. There have been posts in past months about homemade soy milk. I use Silk soy milk, just because I can buy it in bulk at Sam's. I also like the taste. Bryan , " Ilse Knecht " <iknecht wrote: > > I agree - that is my motto in life. But when it comes to your kids, its > almost hard to stick to! Anyone know about rice milk or almond milk? Is > it made the same way as soy milk? > > Ilse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2007 Report Share Posted April 23, 2007 And to those of you who drink Silk soymilk (I drink that and 8th Continent), if you go to their website and enter your UPC code they have something going on to do with carbon offsets. Sorry, I don't have more information, but even if you don't drink Silk, you can go to their site and they have codes you can use. Also a virtual house tour that tells you different things you can do to help reduce your energy costs and make your home more green. On Behalf Of brbrunner Monday, April 23, 2007 7:51 AM Re: introduction and help with 17 mo old. Ilse, My wife loves rice and almond milks, but I prefer soy milk. I think they are made basically the same way. There have been posts in past months about homemade soy milk. I use Silk soy milk, just because I can buy it in bulk at Sam's. I also like the taste. Bryan , " Ilse Knecht " <iknecht wrote: > > I agree - that is my motto in life. But when it comes to your kids, its > almost hard to stick to! Anyone know about rice milk or almond milk? Is > it made the same way as soy milk? > > Ilse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2007 Report Share Posted April 23, 2007 Thanks. I'll probably try all 3 with my son. Ilse >>> brbrunner 04/23/07 8:51 AM >>> Ilse, My wife loves rice and almond milks, but I prefer soy milk. I think they are made basically the same way. There have been posts in past months about homemade soy milk. I use Silk soy milk, just because I can buy it in bulk at Sam's. I also like the taste. Bryan , " Ilse Knecht " <iknecht wrote: > > I agree - that is my motto in life. But when it comes to your kids, its > almost hard to stick to! Anyone know about rice milk or almond milk? Is > it made the same way as soy milk? > > Ilse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2007 Report Share Posted April 23, 2007 Ilse, Babies and young children require more fat in their diets than adults. Mother's milk contains quite a bit of fat. Commercial soymilk does not have enough fat for those children. Soy formula has the required amount of fat. It's required for brain and nerve development. , " Ilse Knecht " <iknecht wrote: > > Hi all, I'm Ilse and I've been vegetarian for most of my life. I fell > off the wagon a bit in college but have been vegetarian solidly for > almost 20 years now. My husband is vegetarian also, for almost 14 > years. WE have a 17 mo old son that we are raising veggie. > > I have several " issues " right now that I am trying to work through. I > hope folks can provide advice. Our diet does consist of a lot of meat > substitutes. Boca, Morningstar farms, Quorn, etc. i've been able to > help my husband be vegetarian by figuring out how to make meals the > resemble " typical " American meals (tacos or burritos with " beef " , etc.) > and Greek foods (his heritage) as well. My son has been eating lots of > these substitutes as well. He hates tofu! He has a big thing about > texture ( as do I) and is not very interested in fruits and veggies > (argh). We are working on normalizing fruits and veggies in their pure > form for him (he will eat them pureed). He doesn't seem to like > complicated foods either. He likes one or two ingredients at the most. > Casseroles are not a hit. I constantly do put a variety of foods in > front of him but he never eats them, and I don't pressure. Anyway, I > read an article in Mothering about how bad processed soy foods are > generally, and how soy can be detrimental to boys reproductive and other > development. It seemed a little alarmist but now I am freaking out. My > son does also drink soy milk because at one year, he was lactose > intolerant. So, he is getting a ton of soy. > > I guess my first question is, what are people's thoughts on the claims > about (processed) soy? Am I worrying needlessly? Is it still better > than meat? > > And my second is, how can I make a shift to cooking less with processed > foods? > > I'm concerned for my son's health, and ours. > > Many thanks in advance for your ideas. > > Ilse > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2007 Report Share Posted April 24, 2007 Right, that is why I am concerned about my son seeming to have an intolerance to milk. Any advice on how to get him the right amount of fat? Ilse >>> norm 04/24/07 12:03 AM >>> Ilse, Babies and young children require more fat in their diets than adults. Mother's milk contains quite a bit of fat. Commercial soymilk does not have enough fat for those children. Soy formula has the required amount of fat. It's required for brain and nerve development. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2007 Report Share Posted April 24, 2007 Ilse, The following link will take you to the article from which the paragraph below was excerpted. It contains many links to other informative pieces. http://jn.nutrition.org/cgi/content/full/133/9/2962S#B6 " Human milk provides a fat-energy ratio (FER) of 50%. Most of the fat is provided as saturated and monounsaturated fatty acids and a relatively high cholesterol intake of 100-150 mg/d. Formula-fed infants receive a similar FER but in contrast receive a much lower cholesterol intake, 25-60 mg/d. A mix of vegetable oils (corn, soy, safflower, olive or sunflower) is added to most formulas. The oleic acid or LA content will depend on the oil source. The use of vegetable oils in the infant diet is based on availability, nutritional properties and relative costs. " Norm </message/43835;_ylc=X3oDMTJzN zNpNDg5BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE2MDkyMDQwBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA0MTcxNgRtc2dJZ AM0MzgzNQRzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdm1zZwRzdGltZQMxMTc3NDM3MzM5> Re: introduction and help with 17 mo old. Posted by: " Ilse Knecht " <iknecht?Subject=%20Re%3A%20introduction%20and%20help%20with %2017%20mo%20old%2E> iknecht <http://profiles./iknecht2002> iknecht2002 Tue Apr 24, 2007 8:44 am (PST) Right, that is why I am concerned about my son seeming to have an intolerance to milk. Any advice on how to get him the right amount of fat? Ilse >>> <norm%40plateautel.net> norm 04/24/07 12:03 AM >>> Ilse, Babies and young children require more fat in their diets than adults. Mother's milk contains quite a bit of fat. Commercial soymilk does not have enough fat for those children. Soy formula has the required amount of fat. It's required for brain and nerve development. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2007 Report Share Posted April 24, 2007 There is lactaid for lactose intolerance. Also soy milk is an acceptable alternative after a year old. From experience as a daycare provider I have seen children who spt up regular milk who were able to still eat cheese and yogurt. I was told it has to do with the bacteria needed to culture them. Also butter can be used in small amounts. There are also avacados, nuts (safe after 1 year), nut butters ect. Hope that helps Liudwih On 4/24/07, Ilse Knecht <iknecht wrote: > > Right, that is why I am concerned about my son seeming to have an > intolerance to milk. Any advice on how to get him the right amount of > fat? > > Ilse > > >>> norm <norm%40plateautel.net> 04/24/07 12:03 AM >>> > Ilse, > Babies and young children require more fat in their diets than adults. > Mother's milk contains quite a bit of fat. Commercial soymilk does > not have enough fat for those children. Soy formula has the required > amount of fat. It's required for brain and nerve development. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2007 Report Share Posted April 24, 2007 Isle: Have you tried the formula made from soy? Gayle ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2007 Report Share Posted April 24, 2007 Perhaps a stage 2 formula will work? But I would suggest speaking to your Dr. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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