Amino acids question for the group, please help

[Guest guest]

I have a question for everyone, being as I am a new vegetarian I can't

answer this one. I was at my sisters for dinner tonight and of course did

not eat the meat that was offered but ate the vegie dishes. My sister who

knows everything says since I am not eating meat anymore I am not getting

the essential amino acids the body needs and that is very unhealthy. What

can I answer her back with? Please.

 

Susan Greggain

sgreggain

 

 

[Guest guest]

There are many ways to get protein. Soy protein, TVP, and much more. Has

your sister investigated the toxins in meat? If she is open to any input at

all have her go to PETA.org and watch meet your meat.

 

 

 

Remember that the beef and poultry lobby (death merchants in my opinion) put

out misinformation!

 

 

 

 

On Behalf Of Susan Greggain

Sunday, June 17, 2007 5:58 PM

 

Amino acids question for the group, please help

 

 

 

I have a question for everyone, being as I am a new vegetarian I can't

answer this one. I was at my sisters for dinner tonight and of course did

not eat the meat that was offered but ate the vegie dishes. My sister who

knows everything says since I am not eating meat anymore I am not getting

the essential amino acids the body needs and that is very unhealthy. What

can I answer her back with? Please.

 

Susan Greggain

sgreggain <sgreggain%40comcast.net>

 

 

[Guest guest]

No! This is the myth that will not die!

 

http://www.diseaseproof.com/archives/diet-myths-complementary-protein-myth-wont-\

go-away.html

http://www.vegsource.com/articles/ProteinRequie.htm

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0820/is_n211/ai_17010257

 

Remember, once upon a time, everyone believed the world was flat, but

that didn't make it true. :-)

 

Sharon

 

Susan Greggain wrote:

> I have a question for everyone, being as I am a new vegetarian I can't

> answer this one. I was at my sisters for dinner tonight and of course did

> not eat the meat that was offered but ate the vegie dishes. My sister who

> knows everything says since I am not eating meat anymore I am not getting

> the essential amino acids the body needs and that is very unhealthy. What

> can I answer her back with? Please.

>

> Susan Greggain

> sgreggain

>

[Guest guest]

The only thing you cannot get eating strictly vegetarian is vitimin B-12. You

need a supplement and then you have everything you need.

Katie

 

Susan Greggain <sgreggain wrote:

I have a question for everyone, being as I am a new vegetarian I can't

answer this one. I was at my sisters for dinner tonight and of course did

not eat the meat that was offered but ate the vegie dishes. My sister who

knows everything says since I am not eating meat anymore I am not getting

the essential amino acids the body needs and that is very unhealthy. What

can I answer her back with? Please.

 

Susan Greggain

sgreggain

 

 

[Guest guest]

That is what my doctor told me. Due to the poor absorption in my system

after an automobile accident, I get B-12 shots every three weeks.

 

Marilyn Daub

mcdaub

Vanceburg, KY

My Cats Knead Me!!

-

Katie M

Monday, June 18, 2007 1:27 AM

Re: Amino acids question for the group, please

help

 

 

The only thing you cannot get eating strictly vegetarian is vitimin B-12.

You need a supplement and then you have everything you need.

Katie

 

Susan Greggain <sgreggain wrote:

I have a question for everyone, being as I am a new vegetarian I

can't

answer this one. I was at my sisters for dinner tonight and of course did

not eat the meat that was offered but ate the vegie dishes. My sister who

knows everything says since I am not eating meat anymore I am not getting

the essential amino acids the body needs and that is very unhealthy. What

can I answer her back with? Please.

 

Susan Greggain

sgreggain

 

[Guest guest]

I agree with you Sharon, but it's not uncommon to be a junk food vegetarian

(or even a junk food vegan).

 

If you eat any cheese or eggs at all you'll likely get enough protein. But

simply eating asparagus, fruit, and white dinner rolls or doritos may not get

you quite enough, especially if you do it day after day.

 

The meat industry has certainly done a good job at making us thing we need a

16-oz slab of dead animals morning, noon, and night (for a daily total of

70-100 gms of protein). This is a lot of baloney or hog(white)wash (puns

intended).

 

I find it helpful to plan 2 balanced meals a day: Carbs + protein + fat + 8

oz of veggies or fruit. It is probably better to plan for a good protein

source for each meal rather than figure it out at the last minute. So, I make

sure that at lunch and dinner I have a strong protein food available (I take it

if I'm going out): nuts or beans or soy cheese or veggie burger or whatever.

Nuts, for me are the most portable, especially for traveling.

 

Not everyone naturally eats a variety of the right foods; especially when

we're in a rush (especially me!).

 

Heidi

 

 

 

Sharon wrote:

 

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that didn't make it true. :-)

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Here are a couple of good articles on protein/amino acids. As long as

you are eating a variety of foods you have nothing to worry about!

Hope these help...

 

Kristie

 

http://www.vegetariantimes.com/document/324

http://www.vrg.org/nutrition/protein.htm

 

 

, " Susan Greggain "

<sgreggain wrote:

>

> I have a question for everyone, being as I am a new vegetarian I can't

> answer this one. I was at my sisters for dinner tonight and of

course did

> not eat the meat that was offered but ate the vegie dishes. My

sister who

> knows everything says since I am not eating meat anymore I am not

getting

> the essential amino acids the body needs and that is very unhealthy.

What

> can I answer her back with? Please.

>

> Susan Greggain

> sgreggain

>

>

[Guest guest]

HI SUsan!

first of all... I suppose you should try to remember that your sister means

well... even if

she's just coming off sounding like a pain! LOL

 

she just gave you a wonderful opportunity to share some information and EDUCATE

her!

=)

 

if you are vegetarian (still consuming dairy and eggs) you get your complete

proteins

pretty easily. it's all about combining proteins.. and NOT in the scary way

that was

originally thought.. (by that I'm referring to Diet for a New Planet.. a great

book , but take

into consideration the fact that all the info regarding protein combinations has

since been

found to be less important.. in the book it says you must combine at every meal

.. now it

has been discovered that if you eat a variety of foods you will get your

complete proteins

over the course of the week. )

 

that said. I am vegan. I don't knowingly consume anything that comes from an

animal...

(no eggs, cheese, milk, meat.. et cetera)

 

I am raising two extremely healthy vegans , ages 9 & 11.

 

I am also growning a very healthy vegan.. (I'm due in September).

I need more protein than my prepregnacy body needed, however, it's not that hard

to

come by. check out the physcians commitee for responsible medicine.. they have

a ton of

information/ recipes/ to support your decision to be vegetarian.. the info you

find there

will help you form an educated rebuttal for the kinds of things your sister (and

no doubt

others) will continue to say to you.

 

 

the good news is that eventually.. if you continue to eat a healthy veggy diet,

your will be

the example which proves your point.

 

my kids have swayed the hardest to sway people... not by spouting off their

knowledge

that that their diet is so great... simply by being healthy energetic GROWING

(in leaps and

bounds) children.

 

THEY THRIVE on their vegan diet. My husband is another great example. HE is

healthy as

can be. He has lowered his bad cholesterol through his diet. (when all of his

family does so

by being medicated) His no longer registers it is so low. (that's what happens

when you

no longer EAT it.... no matter how much your genetically predisposed to making

it in your

own body.. w/o eating it.. you don't make it.

 

and I'm also a good example. I'm having a wonderful vegan pregnancy.. when I

was preg

with my 9 & 11 yo, I was vegetarian, not vegan.. and I consulted a

nutritionalist.. and not a

veg nutritionalist.. just a regualar standard american diet nutritionalist..

there were NO

concerns about me being vegetarian and preg. Being vegan, I just make sure to

eat a

varied diet.. knowing that in doing so I am adequately providing my body (and

the little

body I'm growing ) with plenty of complete protein!

 

 

okay... I " ve rambled on enough.. if you have any questions about what I've

written here..

just ask... there are PLENTY of books out there that support your healthy diet

choices..

 

=) jenni

 

and here 's the linkn to the physician's committee for Responsible medicine..

 

http://www.pcrm.org/

 

 

 

I found a good link for you here as welll... check it out! =)

http://www.ag.ndsu.edu/pubs/yf/foods/he463w.htm

 

I pasted the info about protein simply to make it easy.. but you can check out

the other

stuff in that article.. it's about planning your diet.. et cetera...

 

Protein

 

Protein is the nutrient that seems to be of greatest concern to most new

vegetarians.

Although plant foods contain less of the essential amino acids than do similar

quantities

of animal food, a plant-based diet provides adequate amounts of amino acids when

a

varied diet is consumed on a daily basis.

 

Protein is a nutrient that provides the framework for all living cells. It is

made up of

building blocks called amino acids which are necessary for building, maintaining

and

repairing of body tissues.

 

About half of the known amino acids can be synthesized in the human body. The

nine

amino acids that cannot be synthesized must be provided by the foods eaten, and

these

are called essential amino acids. During digestion proteins are broken down and

the

resulting amino acids are stored in a common amino acid pool. The body draws on

this

pool 24 hours a day to get the amino acids it needs to make new protein for

growth and

repair of body tissue. In order to make any new protein, all the necessary amino

acids

must be present at the same time in the pool.

 

Thus, it follows that intakes of different types of protein which complement one

another

should be eaten over the course of the day. However, it is not necessary that

all of the

amino acids be eaten at exactly the same meal as the recently popular " combined

proteins

theory " suggested. This theory urged conscious combining of proteins at every

meal.

 

A protein which contains all the essential amino acids in proper proportions is

called a

complete protein. Foods from animal sources, except gelatin, contain complete

proteins.

Most plant foods contain incomplete protein because they are short one or more

of the

essential amino acids. By combining plant foods that have complementary

essential amino

acid mixtures, incomplete plant proteins form complete proteins that supply all

of the

essential amino acids found in animal products.

 

Proteins from the same plant family, such as grains, are generally low in the

same amino

acids. Proteins from another plant family, such as legumes, are low in different

amino

acids. If proteins from these two plant families are eaten together, one plant

protein

provides the amino acids that are low in the other plant protein. Since each

protein makes

up for the other's shortcomings, they can be said to be " complementary " to each

other,

and so they are known as complementary proteins. For example, beans and rice,

when

eaten together, result in a good balance of amino acids.

 

Some foods which may be combined to provide a good balance of amino acids are:

 

cereal + milk as breakfast cereal and milk

pasta + cheese as macaroni and cheese

rice + milk as rice pudding

wheat + peanuts as peanut butter sandwich

beans + wheat as baked beans and brown bread

peas + rye as split pea soup and rye bread

beans + corn as refried beans and tortillas

soybeans + seeds/nuts as trail mix

 

, " Susan Greggain " <sgreggain wrote:

>

> I have a question for everyone, being as I am a new vegetarian I can't

> answer this one. I was at my sisters for dinner tonight and of course did

> not eat the meat that was offered but ate the vegie dishes. My sister who

> knows everything says since I am not eating meat anymore I am not getting

> the essential amino acids the body needs and that is very unhealthy. What

> can I answer her back with? Please.

>

> Susan Greggain

> sgreggain

>

>

[Guest guest]

Maybe you should ask your sister where all these cows get their protien to make

them so big and strong. They are not natural meat eaters. Sheep are the same.

These animals that people eat for their meat, eat vegetation to survive and

grow. Some people are just so brainwashed by the meat industry telling them they

have to have it. People have sued fast food places for obesity, why dont they

sue the meat industry for all the damage they are doing to everyone? Ugh!

 

Cherie

 

 

 

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Answers - Check it out.

 

 

[Guest guest]

It is a myth promulgated by the meat, dairy and poultry industry. Myths will

not die when the media gets PAID to promote them!

 

 

 

Bad health is good for the medical profession. It lets them see many more

sick patients and put more people on life support at tremendous costs. The

AMA has no interest in health for that reason, too.

 

 

 

 

On Behalf Of Sharon Zakhour

Sunday, June 17, 2007 10:19 PM

 

Re: Amino acids question for the group, please

help

 

 

 

No! This is the myth that will not die!

 

http://www.diseaseproof.com/archives/diet-myths-complementary-protein-myth-w

ont-go-away.html

http://www.vegsource.com/articles/ProteinRequie.htm

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0820/is_n211/ai_17010257

 

Remember, once upon a time, everyone believed the world was flat, but

that didn't make it true. :-)

 

Sharon

 

Susan Greggain wrote:

> I have a question for everyone, being as I am a new vegetarian I can't

> answer this one. I was at my sisters for dinner tonight and of course did

> not eat the meat that was offered but ate the vegie dishes. My sister who

> knows everything says since I am not eating meat anymore I am not getting

> the essential amino acids the body needs and that is very unhealthy. What

> can I answer her back with? Please.

>

> Susan Greggain

> sgreggain <sgreggain%40comcast.net>

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Would anyone be willing to post a few days of their balanced meals? I.E.

what you would eat in a day to get everything you need? My husband is

worried about my choices. While i still consume some dairy out of sheer

laziness, I'd really like to get some ideas on what I need each

day....where's the veg/vegan version of the food pyramid? Not that it would

be very trustworthy! I don't want to eat soy so that creates a prob as most

substitutes are soy based (that I've found).

 

Thanks in advance

 

On 6/18/07, Heidiup1 <Heidiup1 wrote:

>

> I find it helpful to plan 2 balanced meals a day: Carbs + protein + fat +

> 8

> oz of veggies or fruit. It is probably better to plan for a good protein

> source for each meal rather than figure it out at the last minute. So, I

> make

> sure that at lunch and dinner I have a strong protein food available (I

> take it

> if I'm going out): nuts or beans or soy cheese or veggie burger

> or whatever.

> Nuts, for me are the most portable, especially for traveling.

>

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

May I make a suggestion, Nicole? (And to anyone else concerned about

this issue...)

 

You might try tracking your food intake at this website:

http://www.fitday.com/

It gives you the nutritional breakdown of your meals.

 

I follow a vegan eating program called Eat to Live for health reasons

(and to lose weight). I have lost 38 lbs since January, 75 lbs overall,

with another 30 or 40 to go. Another fellow following this program

(where you primarily eat greens/veggies, fruits, beans/legumes with

limited nuts/seeds) tracked his eating and found he consumed 55-60 grams

of protein per day. (I'm too lazy to track it because I know I'm

getting enough nutrients.)

 

The fact is, even greens contain protein. Spinach contains 2 grams of

protein per half cup. Beans contain about 6 to 6.5 grams of protein per

ounce. Cashews contain 5 grams per ounce. Beef, fish, poultry and eggs

contain 7 grams per ounce. Soybeans (which I rarely eat) contain 10

grams per ounce. The recommended daily intake of protein is about 50 grams.

 

Seriously, you can get your protein elsewhere very easily. :-D

 

Sharon

 

Nicole W. wrote:

> Would anyone be willing to post a few days of their balanced meals? I.E.

> what you would eat in a day to get everything you need? My husband is

> worried about my choices. While i still consume some dairy out of sheer

> laziness, I'd really like to get some ideas on what I need each

> day....where's the veg/vegan version of the food pyramid? Not that it would

> be very trustworthy! I don't want to eat soy so that creates a prob as most

> substitutes are soy based (that I've found).

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Sharon....My theory is that I'm eating better than I was before so I

have to be getting way more nutrition than I was but I'm always looking to

improve!!

 

On 6/18/07, Sharon Zakhour <sharon.zakhour wrote:

>

> May I make a suggestion, Nicole? (And to anyone else concerned about

> this issue...)

>

> You might try tracking your food intake at this website:

> http://www.fitday.com/

> It gives you the nutritional breakdown of your meals.

>

> I follow a vegan eating program called Eat to Live for health reasons

> (and to lose weight). I have lost 38 lbs since January, 75 lbs overall,

> with another 30 or 40 to go. Another fellow following this program

> (where you primarily eat greens/veggies, fruits, beans/legumes with

> limited nuts/seeds) tracked his eating and found he consumed 55-60 grams

> of protein per day. (I'm too lazy to track it because I know I'm

> getting enough nutrients.)

>

> The fact is, even greens contain protein. Spinach contains 2 grams of

> protein per half cup. Beans contain about 6 to 6.5 grams of protein per

> ounce. Cashews contain 5 grams per ounce. Beef, fish, poultry and eggs

> contain 7 grams per ounce. Soybeans (which I rarely eat) contain 10

> grams per ounce. The recommended daily intake of protein is about 50

> grams.

>

> Seriously, you can get your protein elsewhere very easily. :-D

>

> Sharon

>

> Nicole W. wrote:

> > Would anyone be willing to post a few days of their balanced meals? I.E

> .

> > what you would eat in a day to get everything you need? My husband is

> > worried about my choices. While i still consume some dairy out of sheer

> > laziness, I'd really like to get some ideas on what I need each

> > day....where's the veg/vegan version of the food pyramid? Not that it

> would

> > be very trustworthy! I don't want to eat soy so that creates a prob as

> most

> > substitutes are soy based (that I've found).

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

So would cereal and soy milk work the same as cereal

and regular milk?

 

Rebecca (new member)

 

 

Some foods which may be combined to provide a good

balance of amino acids are:

 

cereal + milk as breakfast cereal and milk

pasta + cheese as macaroni and cheese

rice + milk as rice pudding

wheat + peanuts as peanut butter sandwich

beans + wheat as baked beans and brown bread

peas + rye as split pea soup and rye bread

beans + corn as refried beans and tortillas

soybeans + seeds/nuts as trail mix

 

 

" Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed people can change the

world; indeed, it's all that ever has. " -Margaret Mead

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

The soy milk might not even need the complement of cereal,

as soy is considered a " complete protein " on its own.

 

-Erin

http://www.zenpawn.com/vegblog/vegan-done-light.html

 

 

, Rebecca Brokaw

<rbrokaw22 wrote:

>

> So would cereal and soy milk work the same as cereal

> and regular milk?

>

> Rebecca (new member)

>

>

> Some foods which may be combined to provide a good

> balance of amino acids are:

>

> cereal + milk as breakfast cereal and milk

> pasta + cheese as macaroni and cheese

> rice + milk as rice pudding

> wheat + peanuts as peanut butter sandwich

> beans + wheat as baked beans and brown bread

> peas + rye as split pea soup and rye bread

> beans + corn as refried beans and tortillas

> soybeans + seeds/nuts as trail mix

>

>

> " Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed people can

change the world; indeed, it's all that ever has. " -Margaret Mead

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

I thought these pages have some interesting

information.

 

http://www.vrg.org/nutrition/b12.htm

http://www.veganhealth.org/b12/vegansources

 

Gary

--- Katie M <cozycate wrote:

 

> The only thing you cannot get eating strictly

> vegetarian is vitimin B-12. You need a supplement

> and then you have everything you need.

> Katie

>

> Susan Greggain <sgreggain wrote:

> I have a question for everyone, being as I

> am a new vegetarian I can't

> answer this one. I was at my sisters for dinner

> tonight and of course did

> not eat the meat that was offered but ate the vegie

> dishes. My sister who

> knows everything says since I am not eating meat

> anymore I am not getting

> the essential amino acids the body needs and that is

> very unhealthy. What

> can I answer her back with? Please.

>

> Susan Greggain

> sgreggain