Guest guest Posted June 21, 2007 Report Share Posted June 21, 2007 In a message dated 6/21/2007 3:38:11 PM Pacific Daylight Time, paulvatoloco writes: > I spent a whole lot more when I ate meat. > Paul > The vegetarian diet does not need to be more expensive than the meat based diet, in fact it should be about 1/3 cheaper since if we adjust our food intake to higher quality food -- whole foods as opposed to refined or manufactured food -- we should realize a decrease in our health care costs also. So that is a win-win situation. Less $$ on food and less $$ spent on medical care. I have been spending less than $3 per day for my hubby and me for years now. I saved enough to buy a pasta maker so I can have fresh whole grain pasta any time I want for way fewer $$$ than I can buy it in a store. I buy stuff in bulk, make my own vegetarian " meat " and make stuff from scratch. My daughter-in-law complains that I have " nothing to eat, only ingredients " . Well, good for me, I say. The thick rolled oats I get can quickly be turned into granola or flour as the need arises and is a super breakfast food. I make burgers from equal amounts of chickpeas and soybeans soaked and left to ferment for 3 days on my kitchen counter, drain them, grind them in a blender and add onion, garlic or whatever to them, fry them up and they are wonderful and simple to make. Good food doesn't have to be expensive ifyou put some thought into it and some elbow grease too. Lisa ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2007 Report Share Posted June 21, 2007 I'm living proof, so is my sister and niece we spend dollars on groceries and have tons of homecooked vegetarian meals. That survey is ridiculous. If you know how to shop, create a dish, use the leftovers for lunch or another meal and buy bulk you can spend 1/3 of what it would cost buying non-vegetarian foods. I know there are some vegetarians that buy only out of the freezer section and that is expensive, I make my own meatless burgers, cook grains, etc. from bulk bins. I have so much food leftover I take it to coworkers and I never ever spend over $50 a week. If I spend $50 it's usually because I needed spices and flours for baking desserts or I splurged on my expensive celtic sea salt or cardamom. Donna --- Erin <truepatriot wrote: > Yikes! Don't shoot the messenger. > > A couple points: 1) I didn't make reference to any > part of the > article, only presented it in full, 2) It was > published in 2004. > > I did read it! It's not unusual for studies to > hedge their > bets as the snippet you gave appears to do, but > their concluding > paragraph seems indeed to conclude as I have titled > the subject: > > " The current focus of obesity research has been on > environmental > factors that promote inactive lifestyles and excess > energy intakes > (122). The present economic approach suggests that > food choices and > diet quality are influenced by social and economic > resources and by > food costs. Low-cost, energy-dense diets are likely > to contain added > sugars and vegetable fats. Such diets have been and > will continue to > be associated with obesity and overweight. However, > the relevant > features of obesity-promoting diets may not be the > percentage of > energy from sugar or fat (119, 120) but rather high > palatability and > low energy cost. These issues are inextricably > linked to agricultural > commodity prices, imports, tariffs, and trade. > Americans are gaining > more and more weight while consuming more added > sugars and fats and > are spending a lower proportion of their income on > food. No longer a > purely medical issue, obesity has become a societal > and public health > problem. " > > > -Erin > http://www.zenpawn.com/vegblog/vegan-done-light.html > > > , > " mendo_medicineman " > <mendo_medicineman wrote: > > > > When I see articles like this - the first question > I often ask > myself - > > is who is providing their/the reseacrhers funding? > It is usually > big > > business, " for porfit " companies - So, Reading the > article - to the > > link you provided below? is mostly about Obesity > and Poverty? and > way > > down in the article is a brief mention about the > costs of foods? in > > comparsion to different income groups, ie; the top > and the bottom > > income groups? Also, you said " Here's a recent > study confirming " ? > do > > you consider 1992 data recent? 15 years ago? hum - > even the article > > date itself is from Jan. of 2004? And, again - > most of this entire > > article is about OBESITY and it's effects. > > > > And, even in the section of the article you are > referring to it > states > > and I quote: " the absence of large-scale community > studies, few > > intervention studies purport to show that > healthful diets are not > more > > expensive than are less healthful diets. " - reread > the whole thing. > > > > Actually most vegetarian diets are less expensive, > and the closer > to > > the source the less expensive it is to eat. No > pre-packaged - and > less > > processing makes for less expensive food costs as > a whole! > > > > And no where in the article you sited - does it > say it costs more - > to > > eat a healthy diet actually it says there is no > evidence to support > the > > claim. my advice eat healthy always and always > check your sources. > > > > namaste' > > > > doc > > > > , " Erin " > <truepatriot@> > wrote: > > > > > > It's not your imagination... > > > > > > Here's a recent study confirming that healthy > diets > > > really do cost more. From the American Journal > of > > > Clinical Nutrition: > > > > > > http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/full/79/1/6 > > > > > Music washes away from the soul the dust of everyday life. - Berthold Auerbach - ______________________________\ ____ Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Autos new Car Finder tool. http://autos./carfinder/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2007 Report Share Posted June 21, 2007 Wow Donna, I need to go shopping with you!! I'm super picky about my produce. The best produce around is at Whole Foods but it's SUPER expenses because 95% of it is organic. I'm not trying to go all organic (although it would be nice) it's just every other supermarket sucks. I love Trader Joe's but it's so limiting because I have to buy exactly what is packaged and they have minimal fresh herbs. I just spent $110 for this week's groceries and that's just for me and my husband. He had a fit and said he thought going veg was less expensive. I spent more this week than any other that I bought meat. Eeek! I'm sure I just need to " shop " around again for a good supermarket..... Donnalilacflower <thelilacflower Thursday, June 21, 2007 2:39:23 PM Re: proof: healthy diets cost more NO WAY! I'm living proof, so is my sister and niece we spend dollars on groceries and have tons of homecooked vegetarian meals. That survey is ridiculous. If you know how to shop, create a dish, use the leftovers for lunch or another meal and buy bulk you can spend 1/3 of what it would cost buying non-vegetarian foods. I know there are some vegetarians that buy only out of the freezer section and that is expensive, I make my own meatless burgers, cook grains, etc. from bulk bins. I have so much food leftover I take it to coworkers and I never ever spend over $50 a week. If I spend $50 it's usually because I needed spices and flours for baking desserts or I splurged on my expensive celtic sea salt or cardamom. Donna --- Erin <truepatriot@ metrocast. net> wrote: > Yikes! Don't shoot the messenger. > > A couple points: 1) I didn't make reference to any > part of the > article, only presented it in full, 2) It was > published in 2004. > > I did read it! It's not unusual for studies to > hedge their > bets as the snippet you gave appears to do, but > their concluding > paragraph seems indeed to conclude as I have titled > the subject: > > " The current focus of obesity research has been on > environmental > factors that promote inactive lifestyles and excess > energy intakes > (122). The present economic approach suggests that > food choices and > diet quality are influenced by social and economic > resources and by > food costs. Low-cost, energy-dense diets are likely > to contain added > sugars and vegetable fats. Such diets have been and > will continue to > be associated with obesity and overweight. However, > the relevant > features of obesity-promoting diets may not be the > percentage of > energy from sugar or fat (119, 120) but rather high > palatability and > low energy cost. These issues are inextricably > linked to agricultural > commodity prices, imports, tariffs, and trade. > Americans are gaining > more and more weight while consuming more added > sugars and fats and > are spending a lower proportion of their income on > food. No longer a > purely medical issue, obesity has become a societal > and public health > problem. " > > > -Erin > http://www.zenpawn. com/vegblog/ vegan-done- light.html > > > , > " mendo_medicineman " > <mendo_medicineman@ ...> wrote: > > > > When I see articles like this - the first question > I often ask > myself - > > is who is providing their/the reseacrhers funding? > It is usually > big > > business, " for porfit " companies - So, Reading the > article - to the > > link you provided below? is mostly about Obesity > and Poverty? and > way > > down in the article is a brief mention about the > costs of foods? in > > comparsion to different income groups, ie; the top > and the bottom > > income groups? Also, you said " Here's a recent > study confirming " ? > do > > you consider 1992 data recent? 15 years ago? hum - > even the article > > date itself is from Jan. of 2004? And, again - > most of this entire > > article is about OBESITY and it's effects. > > > > And, even in the section of the article you are > referring to it > states > > and I quote: " the absence of large-scale community > studies, few > > intervention studies purport to show that > healthful diets are not > more > > expensive than are less healthful diets. " - reread > the whole thing. > > > > Actually most vegetarian diets are less expensive, > and the closer > to > > the source the less expensive it is to eat. No > pre-packaged - and > less > > processing makes for less expensive food costs as > a whole! > > > > And no where in the article you sited - does it > say it costs more - > to > > eat a healthy diet actually it says there is no > evidence to support > the > > claim. my advice eat healthy always and always > check your sources. > > > > namaste' > > > > doc > > > > , " Erin " > <truepatriot@ > > wrote: > > > > > > It's not your imagination. .. > > > > > > Here's a recent study confirming that healthy > diets > > > really do cost more. From the American Journal > of > > > Clinical Nutrition: > > > > > > http://www.ajcn. org/cgi/content/ full/79/1/ 6 > > > > > Music washes away from the soul the dust of everyday life. - Berthold Auerbach - ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Autos new Car Finder tool. http://autos. / carfinder/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2007 Report Share Posted June 21, 2007 I don't spend much on my food. I make a pot of chili and some mexican rice up. I can eat the chili over a bun wioth a vegi burger and the next night I could eat the chili and rice in tortillas eith with corn tortillas as soft tacos or make a burrito, I make mix and match food. I make spaghetti too and add vegis to the sauce. I get bulk pounds of beans, rice, lentils, and stuff like that. I been making the fake burgers from recipes in the files. Those are what I take for lunch at work. I eat salads and I use some of the salad dressing recipes. The vegis I eat are mostly tomatoes, peas, corn, avocados, lettuce, onions, squash and I find them for a pretty cheap price at the Latino markets in my area. I spent a whole lot more when I ate meat. Paul , roughleyme wrote: > > Wow Donna, I need to go shopping with you!! I'm super picky about my produce. The best produce around is at Whole Foods but it's SUPER expenses because 95% of it is organic. I'm not trying to go all organic (although it would be nice) it's just every other supermarket sucks. I love Trader Joe's but it's so limiting because I have to buy exactly what is packaged and they have minimal fresh herbs. I just spent $110 for this week's groceries and that's just for me and my husband. He had a fit and said he thought going veg was less expensive. I spent more this week than any other that I bought meat. Eeek! I'm sure I just need to " shop " around again for a good supermarket..... > > > > Donnalilacflower <thelilacflower > > Thursday, June 21, 2007 2:39:23 PM > Re: proof: healthy diets cost more NO WAY! > > I'm living proof, so is my sister and niece we spend > dollars on groceries and have tons of homecooked > vegetarian meals. That survey is ridiculous. > If you know how to shop, create a dish, use the > leftovers for lunch or another meal and buy bulk you > can spend 1/3 of what it would cost buying > non-vegetarian foods. I know there are some > vegetarians that buy only out of the freezer section > and that is expensive, I make my own meatless burgers, > cook grains, etc. from bulk bins. I have so much food > leftover I take it to coworkers and I never ever spend > over $50 a week. If I spend $50 it's usually because > I needed spices and flours for baking desserts or I > splurged on my expensive celtic sea salt or cardamom. > Donna > > --- Erin <truepatriot@ metrocast. net> wrote: > > > Yikes! Don't shoot the messenger. > > > > A couple points: 1) I didn't make reference to any > > part of the > > article, only presented it in full, 2) It was > > published in 2004. > > > > I did read it! It's not unusual for studies to > > hedge their > > bets as the snippet you gave appears to do, but > > their concluding > > paragraph seems indeed to conclude as I have titled > > the subject: > > > > " The current focus of obesity research has been on > > environmental > > factors that promote inactive lifestyles and excess > > energy intakes > > (122). The present economic approach suggests that > > food choices and > > diet quality are influenced by social and economic > > resources and by > > food costs. Low-cost, energy-dense diets are likely > > to contain added > > sugars and vegetable fats. Such diets have been and > > will continue to > > be associated with obesity and overweight. However, > > the relevant > > features of obesity-promoting diets may not be the > > percentage of > > energy from sugar or fat (119, 120) but rather high > > palatability and > > low energy cost. These issues are inextricably > > linked to agricultural > > commodity prices, imports, tariffs, and trade. > > Americans are gaining > > more and more weight while consuming more added > > sugars and fats and > > are spending a lower proportion of their income on > > food. No longer a > > purely medical issue, obesity has become a societal > > and public health > > problem. " > > > > > > -Erin > > http://www.zenpawn. com/vegblog/ vegan-done- light.html > > > > > > , > > " mendo_medicineman " > > <mendo_medicineman@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > When I see articles like this - the first question > > I often ask > > myself - > > > is who is providing their/the reseacrhers funding? > > It is usually > > big > > > business, " for porfit " companies - So, Reading the > > article - to the > > > link you provided below? is mostly about Obesity > > and Poverty? and > > way > > > down in the article is a brief mention about the > > costs of foods? in > > > comparsion to different income groups, ie; the top > > and the bottom > > > income groups? Also, you said " Here's a recent > > study confirming " ? > > do > > > you consider 1992 data recent? 15 years ago? hum - > > even the article > > > date itself is from Jan. of 2004? And, again - > > most of this entire > > > article is about OBESITY and it's effects. > > > > > > And, even in the section of the article you are > > referring to it > > states > > > and I quote: " the absence of large-scale community > > studies, few > > > intervention studies purport to show that > > healthful diets are not > > more > > > expensive than are less healthful diets. " - reread > > the whole thing. > > > > > > Actually most vegetarian diets are less expensive, > > and the closer > > to > > > the source the less expensive it is to eat. No > > pre-packaged - and > > less > > > processing makes for less expensive food costs as > > a whole! > > > > > > And no where in the article you sited - does it > > say it costs more - > > to > > > eat a healthy diet actually it says there is no > > evidence to support > > the > > > claim. my advice eat healthy always and always > > check your sources. > > > > > > namaste' > > > > > > doc > > > > > > , " Erin " > > <truepatriot@ > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > It's not your imagination. .. > > > > > > > > Here's a recent study confirming that healthy > > diets > > > > really do cost more. From the American Journal > > of > > > > Clinical Nutrition: > > > > > > > > http://www.ajcn. org/cgi/content/ full/79/1/ 6 > > > > > > > > > > > Music washes away from the soul > the dust of everyday life. > - Berthold Auerbach - > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ > Choose the right car based on your needs. 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Guest guest Posted June 21, 2007 Report Share Posted June 21, 2007 Here's a little example of what I do that is so inexpensice. I will make a thick lentil stew and eat it on steamed rice. The next night I will stir fry veggies and eat those on top of the leftover rice or I might have some leftover lentil stew that I make into a soup with some veg broth and I add some cooked pasta. I can make many meals out of a few ingredients. I find making a stack of bean burgers are perfect for a quick dinner or a work lunch. I read all the weekly grocery chain ads and if zucchini is 99 cents a pound I can get a few pounds and grate one on top of a salad, the next one I can saute in garlic and olive oil and sprinkle parmesan on top, the thrid one I might stuff and eat towards the end of the week. f there is snough I will make zucchini bread. I can make fried rice with leftover veggies in the crisper and use it as a side dish, maybe stuff a bell pepper with it, etc. It's all about planning and watching sales and using the bulk bins and making your food from scratch. The frozen burgers are over $4 for four and I can make 4 bean burgers out of a can of beans I usually find for 50 cents to 75 cents. Donna , roughleyme wrote: > > Wow Donna, I need to go shopping with you!! I'm super picky about my produce. The best produce around is at Whole Foods but it's SUPER expenses because 95% of it is organic. I'm not trying to go all organic (although it would be nice) it's just every other supermarket sucks. I love Trader Joe's but it's so limiting because I have to buy exactly what is packaged and they have minimal fresh herbs. I just spent $110 for this week's groceries and that's just for me and my husband. He had a fit and said he thought going veg was less expensive. I spent more this week than any other that I bought meat. Eeek! I'm sure I just need to " shop " around again for a good supermarket..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2007 Report Share Posted June 21, 2007 I too am 'super picky' about my produce and that is why I watch adds and buy what is on sale. And in bulk. Almost 100 % organic, including spices , rice and pasta..Here is a good example of what I bought today and my total bill came to $29.16. I bought 6 cans of organic refried beans at $1 per can on sale. I also bought several jars of organic salsa all on sale none costing more that than $3. I bought 4 pkgs of organic pasta. $1 ea. My most expensive food item was a bottle of Paul Newman's salad dressing which was almost .$4. The beans and pasta will last for at least 2 months. I bought some non- food items like baby wipes, etc. Today I saved $5 by buying these items on sale. I am still using a large pkg . of organic Romaine lettuce, and baby carrots that I bought two weeks ago. Both were on sale. The Romaine was only $2. I bought a bag of organic lemons over a week ago that was on sale for less than $5. I don't buy pre- packaged/frozen food. I make my own 'burgers'. I buy my water using my own glass jugs at 25 cents per gallon. I only shop at my local supermarket or Health Food Market if I happen to be on that side of town. My daughter, mother and I often shop together to save gasoline. I have never spent $100 per week on groceries and I eat very well. And in excellent health at age 66+. Oh yes I have been eating daily my own Mesclun that is growing in a container on my balcony. Soon I will have Cherry Tomatoes, Mustard,Basil and Chives. Deanna in Colorado ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ -- In , roughleyme wrote: > > Wow Donna, I need to go shopping with you!! I'm super picky about my produce. The best produce around is at Whole Foods but it's SUPER expenses because 95% of it is organic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2007 Report Share Posted June 21, 2007 I don't spend much either. We are growing a lot of tomatoes, summer squash, kale, eggplants, spinach, romaine, escarole, many other salad vegetables, all sorts of herbs, and did I say lots and lots of tomatoes? Sometimes my companion brings boxes of food home since he works on food commercials, but even without this lucky bonus, we spend very little. I make my own bread and pizza or calzone dough, we eat a lot of rice, all sorts of legumes, some tofu, other grains like oats (for breakfast), barley, etc. Mostly I go to the garden, pick whatever is ripe and ready, and base our meals on whatever is growing. Before I lived with such a bountiful garden, I just bought whatever produce was in season, and grains/legumes at places that sell them at good prices. I go to Whole foods rarely, I avoid them because they are so pricey. If you stay away from heavily processed foods and the meat analogs you save a lot of money. I find produce is a lot cheaper at ethnic stores, same with lots of grains, pastas, legumes, tofu. Of course, if you only buy organic produce, this is going to cost, lucky me I get my own organic produce from the garden. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2007 Report Share Posted June 21, 2007 I agree completely. Even buying all organic foods and paying the extra for organic produce, I still spend less than I did when I was buying meat. If you buy quick foods out of the frozen section or boxed stuff, it is going to cost more, but if you take the time to cook from scratch, it is well worth it in taste, nutrition and cost.' Katie Donnalilacflower <thelilacflower wrote: I'm living proof, so is my sister and niece we spend dollars on groceries and have tons of homecooked vegetarian meals. That survey is ridiculous. If you know how to shop, create a dish, use the leftovers for lunch or another meal and buy bulk you can spend 1/3 of what it would cost buying non-vegetarian foods. I know there are some vegetarians that buy only out of the freezer section and that is expensive, I make my own meatless burgers, cook grains, etc. from bulk bins. I have so much food leftover I take it to coworkers and I never ever spend over $50 a week. If I spend $50 it's usually because I needed spices and flours for baking desserts or I splurged on my expensive celtic sea salt or cardamom. Donna --- Erin <truepatriot wrote: > Yikes! Don't shoot the messenger. > > A couple points: 1) I didn't make reference to any > part of the > article, only presented it in full, 2) It was > published in 2004. > > I did read it! It's not unusual for studies to > hedge their > bets as the snippet you gave appears to do, but > their concluding > paragraph seems indeed to conclude as I have titled > the subject: > > " The current focus of obesity research has been on > environmental > factors that promote inactive lifestyles and excess > energy intakes > (122). The present economic approach suggests that > food choices and > diet quality are influenced by social and economic > resources and by > food costs. Low-cost, energy-dense diets are likely > to contain added > sugars and vegetable fats. Such diets have been and > will continue to > be associated with obesity and overweight. However, > the relevant > features of obesity-promoting diets may not be the > percentage of > energy from sugar or fat (119, 120) but rather high > palatability and > low energy cost. These issues are inextricably > linked to agricultural > commodity prices, imports, tariffs, and trade. > Americans are gaining > more and more weight while consuming more added > sugars and fats and > are spending a lower proportion of their income on > food. No longer a > purely medical issue, obesity has become a societal > and public health > problem. " > > > -Erin > http://www.zenpawn.com/vegblog/vegan-done-light.html > > > , > " mendo_medicineman " > <mendo_medicineman wrote: > > > > When I see articles like this - the first question > I often ask > myself - > > is who is providing their/the reseacrhers funding? > It is usually > big > > business, " for porfit " companies - So, Reading the > article - to the > > link you provided below? is mostly about Obesity > and Poverty? and > way > > down in the article is a brief mention about the > costs of foods? in > > comparsion to different income groups, ie; the top > and the bottom > > income groups? Also, you said " Here's a recent > study confirming " ? > do > > you consider 1992 data recent? 15 years ago? hum - > even the article > > date itself is from Jan. of 2004? And, again - > most of this entire > > article is about OBESITY and it's effects. > > > > And, even in the section of the article you are > referring to it > states > > and I quote: " the absence of large-scale community > studies, few > > intervention studies purport to show that > healthful diets are not > more > > expensive than are less healthful diets. " - reread > the whole thing. > > > > Actually most vegetarian diets are less expensive, > and the closer > to > > the source the less expensive it is to eat. No > pre-packaged - and > less > > processing makes for less expensive food costs as > a whole! > > > > And no where in the article you sited - does it > say it costs more - > to > > eat a healthy diet actually it says there is no > evidence to support > the > > claim. my advice eat healthy always and always > check your sources. > > > > namaste' > > > > doc > > > > , " Erin " > <truepatriot@> > wrote: > > > > > > It's not your imagination... > > > > > > Here's a recent study confirming that healthy > diets > > > really do cost more. From the American Journal > of > > > Clinical Nutrition: > > > > > > http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/full/79/1/6 > > > > > Music washes away from the soul the dust of everyday life. - Berthold Auerbach - ________ Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Autos new Car Finder tool. http://autos./carfinder/ Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join 's user panel and lay it on us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2007 Report Share Posted June 21, 2007 I spend less on groceries then I spend on gas for my truck and I eat plenty of home cooked vegetarian meals. I don't spare the buck either when I shop. I don't believe everything I see on the Net unless it's backed up by experts. Chico > --- Erin <truepatriot wrote: > > > Yikes! Don't shoot the messenger. > > > > A couple points: 1) I didn't make reference to any > > part of the > > article, only presented it in full, 2) It was > > published in 2004. > > > > I did read it! It's not unusual for studies to > > hedge their > > bets as the snippet you gave appears to do, but > > their concluding > > paragraph seems indeed to conclude as I have titled > > the subject: > > > > " The current focus of obesity research has been on > > environmental > > factors that promote inactive lifestyles and excess > > energy intakes > > (122). The present economic approach suggests that > > food choices and > > diet quality are influenced by social and economic > > resources and by > > food costs. Low-cost, energy-dense diets are likely > > to contain added > > sugars and vegetable fats. Such diets have been and > > will continue to > > be associated with obesity and overweight. However, > > the relevant > > features of obesity-promoting diets may not be the > > percentage of > > energy from sugar or fat (119, 120) but rather high > > palatability and > > low energy cost. These issues are inextricably > > linked to agricultural > > commodity prices, imports, tariffs, and trade. > > Americans are gaining > > more and more weight while consuming more added > > sugars and fats and > > are spending a lower proportion of their income on > > food. No longer a > > purely medical issue, obesity has become a societal > > and public health > > problem. " > > > > > > -Erin > > http://www.zenpawn.com/vegblog/vegan-done-light.html > > > > > > , > > " mendo_medicineman " > > <mendo_medicineman@> wrote: > > > > > > When I see articles like this - the first question > > I often ask > > myself - > > > is who is providing their/the reseacrhers funding? > > It is usually > > big > > > business, " for porfit " companies - So, Reading the > > article - to the > > > link you provided below? is mostly about Obesity > > and Poverty? and > > way > > > down in the article is a brief mention about the > > costs of foods? in > > > comparsion to different income groups, ie; the top > > and the bottom > > > income groups? Also, you said " Here's a recent > > study confirming " ? > > do > > > you consider 1992 data recent? 15 years ago? hum - > > even the article > > > date itself is from Jan. of 2004? And, again - > > most of this entire > > > article is about OBESITY and it's effects. > > > > > > And, even in the section of the article you are > > referring to it > > states > > > and I quote: " the absence of large-scale community > > studies, few > > > intervention studies purport to show that > > healthful diets are not > > more > > > expensive than are less healthful diets. " - reread > > the whole thing. > > > > > > Actually most vegetarian diets are less expensive, > > and the closer > > to > > > the source the less expensive it is to eat. No > > pre-packaged - and > > less > > > processing makes for less expensive food costs as > > a whole! > > > > > > And no where in the article you sited - does it > > say it costs more - > > to > > > eat a healthy diet actually it says there is no > > evidence to support > > the > > > claim. my advice eat healthy always and always > > check your sources. > > > > > > namaste' > > > > > > doc > > > > > > , " Erin " > > <truepatriot@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > It's not your imagination... > > > > > > > > Here's a recent study confirming that healthy > > diets > > > > really do cost more. From the American Journal > > of > > > > Clinical Nutrition: > > > > > > > > http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/full/79/1/6 > > > > > > > > > > > Music washes away from the soul > the dust of everyday life. > - Berthold Auerbach - > > ________ > Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Autos new Car Finder tool. > http://autos./carfinder/ > > > > > > > Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join 's user panel and lay it on us. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2007 Report Share Posted June 22, 2007 I don't believe it's more expensive, either. And the bottom line is....even if it is, it's still 'way cheaper then regular doctor visits and medication! I think this is the only way to " buy " good health! Ilene in SW Ohio Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2007 Report Share Posted June 22, 2007 This group not only helped me become a vegetarian, teach me too cook, but it also taught me how to shop and cut down my grocery expenses. I was spending a fortune before I became vegetarian and I save even more since I stopped buying all the alternative frozen products. Kenia , Momcat <Momcat55 wrote: > > I don't believe it's more expensive, either. > > And the bottom line is....even if it is, it's still 'way cheaper then > regular doctor visits and medication! > > I think this is the only way to " buy " good health! > > Ilene in SW Ohio > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2007 Report Share Posted June 22, 2007 The biggest expense seems to be the cost of Beano <g> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2007 Report Share Posted June 22, 2007 Not believing everything you see on the net is extremely good advice and I definitely follow it. I would posit, however, that the peer-reviewed Journal of Clinical Nutrition represents the very " experts " of whom you speak. Anyway, I didn't mean to stir such a hornets nest with this finding. I hadn't even offered my own opinion on the matter, yet ended up feeling attacked in some way. Personally, I buy in bulk and purchase no processed food, and still my bill is quite expensive. I find even regular produce to be costly, but I buy A LOT of it and I live in NH, so no ethnic markets and only seasonal farmers markets. I think the study was mostly comparing your standard, low- income SAD with a healthier, though not necessarily vegetarian, diet. The point was that energy-dense food is cheap. Think 25 cent boxes of mac n' cheese, $1 cheeseburgers at fast food joints, buy-one-get-one-free Chips A'Hoy, etc., etc.. If some good came out of this thread, it's that so many people shared their money-saving tips. Thank you all. -Erin http://www.zenpawn.com/vegblog/vegan-done-light.html , " chico_trucker " <chico_trucker wrote: > > I spend less on groceries then I spend on gas for my truck and I eat > plenty of home cooked vegetarian meals. I don't spare the buck > either when I shop. > I don't believe everything I see on the Net unless it's backed up by > experts. > > Chico Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2007 Report Share Posted June 22, 2007 When I hear meat eating friends tell me they are paying $6 - $15 lb for meat, and then hear folks complain about Meat substitutes being expensive, I wonder where the logic is in that. Most all meat substitutes are $4 per 1 lb or larger can or less, especially if you buy it in bulk, which I do. Amazon has great prices for it and free shipping with no tax. So easy, no gas and comes right to your door, usually in less than a week. You'd be shocked at how many health food items you buy on Amazon for great prices. They come 12 cans to a case. http://tinyurl.com/2ptks2 - Fri-Chik - Wonderful in casseroles, soups, breaded and fried, baked, made into a " chicken " salad and lots more http://tinyurl.com/3drq23 - These are Gluten Patties that I use in stir - fry, casseroles or bread with Italian bread crumbs and fry. http://www.amazon.com/Worthington-Vegetarian-Burger-20-Ounce-Cans/dp/B000BF54O6 We use this in so many things. Great product. http://www.amazon.com/Worthington-Veja-Links-19-Ounce-Cans-Pack/dp/B000BF3AL0 Love these Vegetarian Hot Dogs - Vega - links Enjoy, Judy __http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=sr_kk_1/103-4406078-1535057?ie=UTF8 & search-alias=g\ rocery & field-keywords=loma%20linda,_._,___ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2007 Report Share Posted June 22, 2007 I am sorry you feel attacked, Erin. I don't think that was anyones intent. Personally, it is a bit of a sore spot because that is one of the ways people pester me about being vegetarian and I disagree so strongly because of personal experience. I believe you are right in that the comparison is not made with a truely healthy vegetarian diet. Anyway. I appologize that we made you feel attacked.Katie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2007 Report Share Posted June 22, 2007 Healthy diets do cost more? Yes, a healthy diet will cost more than a bag of cheetos, a cheeseburger, large fries and a giant soft drink. This will fill your caloric requirements for a day, probably. However, people are buying more than that since the link was found with obesity. So the problem I have with the article, (and by the way I do agree that it seemed well researched and the source is reputable) is that instead of a link to malnutrition with poverty, the link was with obesity, but why? You could eat just you caloric requirements and simply be average weight but just malnourished. Is the need to eat more than our bodies require a thirst for nutrients in nutrient deficient food? The link to education might be the saving grace here. Educate yourself about nutrition, and spend that double cheeseburger-large fries-shake money on 79cent a pound tofu, vegetables, beans and grains. Learn how to cook them so they are tasty and get some of your friends and neighbors making the dishes too… Erin I feel for you on the location. I lived in rural New Mexico for a while and my food bills were much much higher. Of course real estate was less there too. I wish a could send you some of that 79cents tofu. , Katie M <cozycate wrote: > > I am sorry you feel attacked, Erin. I don't think that was anyones intent. Personally, it is a bit of a sore spot because that is one of the ways people pester me about being vegetarian and I disagree so strongly because of personal experience. I believe you are right in that the comparison is not made with a truely healthy vegetarian diet. > Anyway. I appologize that we made you feel attacked.Katie > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2007 Report Share Posted June 22, 2007 I only have $150. per month for myself and that's is to cover paper towels , toilet paper and anything else my house needs... I don't take into account for doctors bills , I just look at it as more for food.. I'm very picky as what I eat too,, I too buy things on sale when I can but you also have to be careful that the food that's on sale is good food and not get ripped off.. Bring it home and the center be bad....OOOOOO...yuck, ripped off. that money down the drain...I grow as much as I can, and put as much as I can up too. Bev , " Erin " <truepatriot wrote: > > Not believing everything you see on the net is extremely good > advice and I definitely follow it. I would posit, however, > that the peer-reviewed Journal of Clinical Nutrition represents > the very " experts " of whom you speak. > > Anyway, I didn't mean to stir such a hornets nest with this > finding. I hadn't even offered my own opinion on the matter, > yet ended up feeling attacked in some way. Personally, I buy > in bulk and purchase no processed food, and still my bill is > quite expensive. I find even regular produce to be costly, > but I buy A LOT of it and I live in NH, so no ethnic markets > and only seasonal farmers markets. > > I think the study was mostly comparing your standard, low- > income SAD with a healthier, though not necessarily vegetarian, > diet. The point was that energy-dense food is cheap. Think > 25 cent boxes of mac n' cheese, $1 cheeseburgers at fast food > joints, buy-one-get-one-free Chips A'Hoy, etc., etc.. > > If some good came out of this thread, it's that so many people > shared their money-saving tips. Thank you all. > > > -Erin > http://www.zenpawn.com/vegblog/vegan-done-light.html > > , " chico_trucker " > <chico_trucker@> wrote: > > > > I spend less on groceries then I spend on gas for my truck and I > eat > > plenty of home cooked vegetarian meals. I don't spare the buck > > either when I shop. > > I don't believe everything I see on the Net unless it's backed up > by > > experts. > > > > Chico > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2007 Report Share Posted June 22, 2007 Who in the world would pay that much per lb,?.... Bev , " wwjd " <jtwigg wrote: > > > When I hear meat eating friends tell me they are paying $6 - $15 lb for meat, > > Enjoy, > Judy > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2007 Report Share Posted June 23, 2007 Well, calorie-dense (what the research calls energy-dense) foods are low in volume and easy to consume in excess without triggering uncomfortable fullness. It's funny when people stare in amazement at my huge salads. And yet they contain the same or fewer calories than similarly satiating fast food fare (and cost more too). -Erin http://www.zenpawn.com/vegblog/vegan-done-light.html , " cabrita_trl " <roseta_lleo wrote: > > Healthy diets do cost more? Yes, a healthy diet will cost more than a bag of cheetos, a > cheeseburger, large fries and a giant soft drink. This will fill your caloric requirements for > a day, probably. However, people are buying more than that since the link was found > with obesity. So the problem I have with the article, (and by the way I do agree that it > seemed well researched and the source is reputable) is that instead of a link to > malnutrition with poverty, the link was with obesity, but why? You could eat just you > caloric requirements and simply be average weight but just malnourished. Is the need to > eat more than our bodies require a thirst for nutrients in nutrient deficient food? > > The link to education might be the saving grace here. Educate yourself about nutrition, > and spend that double cheeseburger-large fries-shake money on 79cent a pound tofu, > vegetables, beans and grains. Learn how to cook them so they are tasty and get some of > your friends and neighbors making the dishes too… > > Erin I feel for you on the location. I lived in rural New Mexico for a while and my food bills > were much much higher. Of course real estate was less there too. I wish a could send you > some of that 79cents tofu. > > > , Katie M <cozycate@> wrote: > > > > I am sorry you feel attacked, Erin. I don't think that was anyones intent. Personally, it is > a bit of a sore spot because that is one of the ways people pester me about being > vegetarian and I disagree so strongly because of personal experience. I believe you are > right in that the comparison is not made with a truely healthy vegetarian diet. > > Anyway. I appologize that we made you feel attacked.Katie > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2007 Report Share Posted June 23, 2007 I hear what you are saying very clearly and saw that hypothyroidism is a bit of a concern. The thyroid is not something to fool around with...be it hypo(low functioning) or hyper(high functioning). Mine has gone from one to the other and back again on a dose of radioactive iodine to totally destroy it since they couldn't control it any other way. It is a matter of a simple blood test and having someone monitor your test for a period of months. The thyroid doesn't just bounce around it is a very methodical piece of the body. And, if you don't have health insurance, the public health center of every county is available for people and children. They could put you in touch with someone so it won't cost you a lot. I have been battleing with no thyroid since '74 and am still worried about it. My sleep is long and hard. That is not that great either. Hang in it does get better when you are on the correct medecine and all. You have your stamina back, you don't sleep 11 or 12 hours a day with a nap in the morning and afternoon. And all that jazz. keep your chin up. Luanne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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