Guest guest Posted May 9, 2005 Report Share Posted May 9, 2005 Hello again, Newbies like me just pop on and go nuts with the questions, don't they? Quick explanation: My wife is on a diet and isn't eating what the rest of the family eats for a while, thus opening this window of opportunity to try veganism. The problem, however, is that my kids are used to quick and dirty meat-based meals. It doesn't matter that I spent two and a half hours making a fabulous vegan lasagna on Saturday, they look at me like I'm absolutely nuts when I expect them to eat it. Thus emerges Question Number Two (and my last for today, for sake of not wanting to wear out my welcome too soon): What do those of you with children feed the little tykes, especially if they are 4, 8 and 10 years old and have been carnivores all of their little lives? What will they eat *besides* raw fruits and some veggies? Real-world experience with this is the big reason I'm here, and I thank you all in advance. --Kevin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2005 Report Share Posted May 9, 2005 Well Kevin, this is really easy or this is really hard. it takes complete changing of all the products in the home making sure that everything is Vegan, when it comes to basic foods some are accidentally Vegan. example here in Australia Kellogg's doesn't use GM grains to make their food so corn flakes and special K are both Vegan a little too much sugar for my taste but vegan non the less so starting with breakfast cereal and fruit there are some soy milk makers on the market and easy to use too cost me about 10 cents a litre to make you can still make peanut butter & jelly sandwiches just have to watch all the ingredients some peanut butters are fine I just tried a soy butter that was to replace peanut butter and to tell you the truth I couldn't really tell the difference of course if you use jelly or jam you'll need to make sure no gelatine . fruit pectin is best or agar agar and the bread well stick to yummy whole grains then they get extra nutrition too' these are just examples of how foods they already eat can be adapted I could write a book to list everything (hahaha) but raw nuts , fresh fruits, lightly steamed veggies its all good try to get organic too the old protein and calcium myth mothers milk contains approx 6-8% protein that is probably how much we need calcium there is more usable calcium in fruit juice than in milk b12 is in most fortified cereals there are also several brands of soy burgers and soy sausages try some of those they are easy and well most like them after a while the 2 hour lasagne will be welcome hope this helps all the best Craig Kids and veganismHello again,Newbies like me just pop on and go nuts with the questions, don't they?Quick explanation: My wife is on a diet and isn't eating what the rest of the family eats for a while, thus opening this window of opportunity to try veganism. The problem, however, is that my kids are used to quick and dirty meat-based meals. It doesn't matter that I spent two and a half hours making a fabulous vegan lasagna on Saturday, they look at me like I'm absolutely nuts when I expect them to eat it. Thus emerges Question Number Two (and my last for today, for sake of not wanting to wear out my welcome too soon):What do those of you with children feed the little tykes, especially if they are 4, 8 and 10 years old and have been carnivores all of their little lives? What will they eat *besides* raw fruits and some veggies? Real-world experience with this is the big reason I'm here, and I thank you all in advance.--Kevin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2005 Report Share Posted May 9, 2005 Hi Craig & Kevin > example here in Australia Kellogg's doesn't use GM grains to make their food so > corn flakes and special K are both Vegan a little too much sugar for my taste but vegan non the less However, although in the UK and Australia, Kellogg's cornflakes are vegan, I believe this is not the case in the US... so might be worth checking with the manufacturers! BB Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2005 Report Share Posted May 10, 2005 sorry Kevin, peter is right to me GM genetically modified is an automatic NOT vegan product I should have been more clearerer ..LOL. Craig Hi Craig & Kevin > example here in Australia Kellogg's doesn't use GM grains to make their food so > corn flakes and special K are both Vegan a little too much sugar for my taste but vegan non the less However, although in the UK and Australia, Kellogg's cornflakes are vegan, I believe this is not the case in the US... so might be worth checking with the manufacturers! BB PeterTo send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2005 Report Share Posted May 10, 2005 Kellog's owns Keebler®, Pop-Tarts®, Eggo®, Cheez-It®, Nutri-Grain®, Rice Krispies®, Special K®, Murray®, Austin®, Morningstar Farms®, Famous Amos®, Carr’s®, Plantation® and Kashi®. They do have an organic line (not much yet, but a start). They just acquired Nickelodeon's Fruit Snack line from Kraft's Nabisco. There is no info on their site as to them not using GMOs in the U.S. So, I sent them an e-mail asking them. We'll see. Lynda - Peter Monday, May 09, 2005 3:47 PM Re: Kids and Veganism Hi Craig & Kevin > example here in Australia Kellogg's doesn't use GM grains to make their food so > corn flakes and special K are both Vegan a little too much sugar for my taste but vegan non the less However, although in the UK and Australia, Kellogg's cornflakes are vegan, I believe this is not the case in the US... so might be worth checking with the manufacturers! BB PeterTo send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2005 Report Share Posted May 10, 2005 Hi Kevin I'm afraid I was a meat-eater when my children were growing up, so have not had to face this problem. It is difficult to get kids to eat things they don't want. There are people on here with children, hopefully they will be able to offer their experience, and I think Stevie gave some helpful weblinks. Jo - " Kevin L. McDonald " <kevin Monday, May 09, 2005 9:43 PM Kids and veganism Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2005 Report Share Posted May 10, 2005 Hi Kevin, I am not sure how much help I can be as unfortunately I live with 2 carnivores. Da hubby and my son. I have seen a lot of vegan foods introduced into their diets since I became vegan, but we can never tell my son that the meat he is eating is actually soy. He knows that his chocolate milk is soy and he loves it, but they still do eat a ton of non-vegan foods I wish they wouldn't. But who I am to say what someone else should do with their lives, especially when they have been so receptive and helpful to me since I became a vegan. I appreciate that they try some new things with me, but I don't win every battle. I influence but never push and try to be a good role model. My son and husband seem to be allergic to any veggie that is not a potato, corn, or carrots/sweet potatoes smothered in sugar. They break out into " ewwws " and " yucks " all over the place. So I try to win a few by asking that they both eat something different at least 3 times a week and nicely enough they usually do. Though it's rarely a green item I must admit. So I adapt and hold my nose and sadness as they prepare their dinners. And though it hurts to see some of the dishes prepared (and smells god awful), I know that with baby steps I am improving an animals life somewhere through my family. I guess my biggest secret is to hide the food from my son (6). Put the veggies in the spaghetti sauce, bake carrot cake and zuchinni bread, make smoothies with soy milk and lots of fresh fruits and try the meat alternatives. Nikki > - > " Kevin L. McDonald " <kevin@b...> > > Monday, May 09, 2005 9:43 PM > Kids and veganism Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2005 Report Share Posted May 10, 2005 Time for a silly followup question: What is a GMO, and why should I want to avoid it? I must have missed something in my reading. --Kevin > There is no info on their site as to them not using GMOs in the U.S. > So, I sent them an e-mail asking them. > > > >> example here in Australia Kellogg's doesn't use GM grains to make > their food so >> corn flakes and special K are both Vegan a little too much sugar > for my taste but vegan non the less > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2005 Report Share Posted May 10, 2005 Craig, Peter, Jo, Linda and Nikki, Good ideas, thank you all! It's going to be a process of trial and error, I'm sure. For now, I'm content with finding some foods that are good for them and that they will eat and enjoy. I'm not going to push them into veganism, nor am I going to try to regulate what they eat at school, etc. I opened a " LiveJournal " account a few weeks ago so that I could post on some friends' journals and not be anonymous. I decided I could use my " LJ " as a diary of this vegan switchover among other things, and I made my first post last night. I described some of the issues I faced, especially regarding my kiddos. It'll be an evolving " diary " of sorts, and might turn out to be fun. If you're interested, check it out here: http://www.livejournal.com/~spookcomix --Kevin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2005 Report Share Posted May 10, 2005 Good luck Kevin As they get older they might decide that you are doing something good, and follow you. Jo Re: Kids and veganism > Craig, Peter, Jo, Linda and Nikki, > > Good ideas, thank you all! It's going to be a process of trial and > error, I'm sure. For now, I'm content with finding some foods that are > good for them and that they will eat and enjoy. I'm not going to push > them into veganism, nor am I going to try to regulate what they eat at > school, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2005 Report Share Posted May 10, 2005 Genetically motified organism Lynda - Kevin L. McDonald <kevin Tuesday, May 10, 2005 9:54 AM Re: Kids and Veganism > Time for a silly followup question: What is a GMO, and why should I > want to avoid it? I must have missed something in my reading. > > --Kevin > > > > > There is no info on their site as to them not using GMOs in the U.S. > > So, I sent them an e-mail asking them. > > > > > > > >> example here in Australia Kellogg's doesn't use GM grains to make > > their food so > >> corn flakes and special K are both Vegan a little too much sugar > > for my taste but vegan non the less > To send an email to - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2005 Report Share Posted May 10, 2005 Hi Kevin > Time for a silly followup question: What is a GMO, and why should I > want to avoid it? I must have missed something in my reading. GMO stands for " Genetically Modified Organism " - mostly soy or maize (although there are also a few other crops) which has been played with by scientists to change its basic make-up. Some GMOs have had fish genes added, so are not considered suitable for vegans. Others are not specifically non-vegan, but no-one quite knows what the long term effects are on people who consume them, and there are already some serious environmental concerns, what with species of butterflies facing extinction, etc. along with some more serious ethical issues, such as the potential for Monsanto to have complete control of the world's food! BB Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2005 Report Share Posted May 11, 2005 even beyond "is it vegan er not", its tampering with species barriers face it, a toad and a canola plant are NEVER gonna cross breed in nature, correct? Peter May 10, 2005 2:48 PM Re: Kids and Veganism Hi Kevin> Time for a silly followup question: What is a GMO, and why should I> want to avoid it? I must have missed something in my reading.GMO stands for "Genetically Modified Organism" - mostly soy or maize(although there are also a few other crops) which has been played with byscientists to change its basic make-up.Some GMOs have had fish genes added, so are not considered suitable forvegans. Others are not specifically non-vegan, but no-one quite knows whatthe long term effects are on people who consume them, and there are alreadysome serious environmental concerns, what with species of butterflies facingextinction, etc. along with some more serious ethical issues, such as thepotential for Monsanto to have complete control of the world's food!BBPeterTo send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2005 Report Share Posted May 11, 2005 Hiya Kevin, just to give you one more web site to look at http://www.seedsofdeception.com/ this will explain everything you need to know about GMO I have been so motivated by that book I bought 4 copies and donated them to the local library I have another 2 copies that are making the rounds at work.. scary stuff Kevin all the best Craig ] Kids and VeganismTime for a silly followup question: What is a GMO, and why should I want to avoid it? I must have missed something in my reading.--Kevin> There is no info on their site as to them not using GMOs in the U.S. > So, I sent them an e-mail asking them.>>> >> example here in Australia Kellogg's doesn't use GM grains to make> their food so>> corn flakes and special K are both Vegan a little too much sugar> for my taste but vegan non the less> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2005 Report Share Posted May 11, 2005 Hi Kevin gmo's sometimes have genes from fish, which means that strictly speaking it is not vegetarian/vegan, and genes from other organisms which can cause allergies. Another problem is the terminator gene which means that you cannot grow next year's crop without having to buy more from Monsanto or Novartis. Farmers cannot save their seed for the following year, making them dependent on the companies for their supplies. Similar to Omen III (or was it IV) really. Jo , " Kevin L. McDonald " <kevin@b...> wrote: > Time for a silly followup question: What is a GMO, and why should I > want to avoid it? I must have missed something in my reading. > > --Kevin > > > > > There is no info on their site as to them not using GMOs in the U.S. > > So, I sent them an e-mail asking them. > > > > > > > >> example here in Australia Kellogg's doesn't use GM grains to make > > their food so > >> corn flakes and special K are both Vegan a little too much sugar > > for my taste but vegan non the less > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2005 Report Share Posted May 11, 2005 That's pretty cool Kevin! I'll be interested in seeing how it progresses especially with my own situation here. Let me know if ever I can be of more help! Nikki , " Kevin L. McDonald " <kevin@b...> wrote: > Craig, Peter, Jo, Linda and Nikki, > > Good ideas, thank you all! It's going to be a process of trial and > error, I'm sure. For now, I'm content with finding some foods that are > good for them and that they will eat and enjoy. I'm not going to push > them into veganism, nor am I going to try to regulate what they eat at > school, etc. > > I opened a " LiveJournal " account a few weeks ago so that I could post on > some friends' journals and not be anonymous. I decided I could use my > " LJ " as a diary of this vegan switchover among other things, and I made > my first post last night. I described some of the issues I faced, > especially regarding my kiddos. It'll be an evolving " diary " of sorts, > and might turn out to be fun. If you're interested, check it out here: > > http://www.livejournal.com/~spookcomix > > --Kevin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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