Vegan Kids

[Guest guest]

propelyne glycol(anti-freeze) is found in all commercial

cough/childrens medicine.

it is not found in the ones at healthfood stores.

 

I have two vegan kids, 2 and 6 years old.

the two year old has never had a drop of cows milk, neither has he

ever gotten sick. He isn't vaccinated either and he still

breastfeeds.

 

the 6 year old started out life as vegetarian and was constantly sick

the first two years of his life. I spent a TON of money on doctors

bills. He had five different antibiotics prescribed by doctors by the

time he was three.

I really did not get that, the amount of ear infections,

bronchitis and asthma where directly related to the amount of cow's

milk that he was drinking.

Once I eliminated milk from his diet, all of this illnesses went

away.

 

I also don't feed them Junk vegan food, like tofutti. I make my own

ice cream, and if you don't have the time for that just freeze juice

in containers.

 

My kids eat;

fruits, vegetables, nuts and grains. Just these four things. that's

all.

 

The health benefits of being vegan are real obvious to me.

I haven't been to a doctor in six years, haven't had a cold for two.

I don't look anything like other 32 two year olds living in my town.

and I have tons of energy.

Yes, there are vegans who are sickly because they don't eat well.

They are not very smart.

 

I don't see this as forcing my view upon them. I don't speak or

preach to them about Veganism. Instead I teach them compassion.

They copy how I behave around animals and how I respect them. I don't

say veganism, veganism, veganism.

instead it's a lifestyle. I tell them that we as a family believe

that eating animals is wrong, just like I would tell them that

stealing is wrong. Kids also " know " this.

 

I find it so ironic that if you go to the childrens section of the

library, there are a million books with animals of all sorts. It is

hard to find a book without one. ( and cartoons on tv)

Kids grow up reading about/loving these characters and do make the

connection with those animals and what is on their plate. (piglet in

winney the pooh = bacon)

 

my six year old loved to stomp on insects, this is just something he

(perhaps) saw other kids do, one day as he was stomping on them, I

just said, " I wouldn't like to be that insect "

he said " why not "

I said " well how would you feel if a big giant came over and started

killing you "

He said, " i wouldn't like it "

 

and so on. I am raising them vegan because I see it as a

responsibility, when they are older they can chose to be carnivores.

As an animal rights activist, I am passionate about saving the lives

of 86 X 4 members of my family, animals a year.

I was born vegetarian and I thank my mom for doing that. while my

cousins were eating bologna sandwiches, I was eating peanut butter

and jelly.

I didn't like being different at the time, but now I am very

grateful.

 

of course i admit, it is much easier, never introducing them to meat,

from the beginning.

 

I think that what Peta is doing is trying to appeal to carnivores who

are worried about losing their favorite " treats " and offering them

the junk food vegan alternatives.

 

-anouk

 

 

little lamb on a hill, run fast if you can,

good christians they want to kill you and your life hasn't even begun.

 

 

 

> What's the difference between " my gawd ITS VEGAN! " and what

vegans eat? Most vegans I know use margarine, most vegans I know eat

tofutti products (I'm not picking on tofutti it's just a product I'm

well versed with), most vegans I know eat soy (which some people say

isn't safe) etc... Tofutti's cream cheese substitute is

called " Better Than Cream Cheese " for goodness sake. It does give a

false impression that this product is much healthier than regular

cream cheese.

>

> And I agree, just because something doesn't come from animals,

doesn't mean it is healthy. However people are given false

impressions about certain products. Take PeTA for example..while

they are primarily an animal advocate group they do pimp the " health

benefits " of being a veg*n. In the " Vegetarian Starter Kit " there's

an entire page dedicated to the health dangers of eating dairy and

meat. In their " Vegetarian Starter Kit " they tell you to use

margarine, tofutti ice cream, soy milk, etc... without even

mentioning the fact they contain dangerous mono and di-glycerides as

well and how they should really only be used sparingly. So while you

may not eat something just because it's vegan, many people do and do

so unbeknownst to the hidden dangers.

>

>

>

> Talisman

[Guest guest]

Well said Anouk. I wish I had been enlightened when my children were young.

 

From my own personal experience, I can vouch for the lack of colds when not

consuming dairy products. Whilst others are suffering badly with coughs and

cattarh I am not. That is not to say I don't catch colds. Sometimes I get

a sore throat - for a day - and then, on most occasions it just disappears,

without the messy cold symptoms that the dairy-consumers I know seem to

suffer.

 

Jo

 

> I have two vegan kids, 2 and 6 years old.

> the two year old has never had a drop of cows milk, neither has he

> ever gotten sick. He isn't vaccinated either and he still

> breastfeeds.

>

> the 6 year old started out life as vegetarian and was constantly sick

> the first two years of his life. I spent a TON of money on doctors

> bills. He had five different antibiotics prescribed by doctors by the

> time he was three.

> I really did not get that, the amount of ear infections,

> bronchitis and asthma where directly related to the amount of cow's

> milk that he was drinking.

> Once I eliminated milk from his diet, all of this illnesses went

> away.

>

> I also don't feed them Junk vegan food, like tofutti. I make my own

> ice cream, and if you don't have the time for that just freeze juice

> in containers.

>

> My kids eat;

> fruits, vegetables, nuts and grains. Just these four things. that's

> all.

>

> The health benefits of being vegan are real obvious to me.

> I haven't been to a doctor in six years, haven't had a cold for two.

> I don't look anything like other 32 two year olds living in my town.

> and I have tons of energy.

> Yes, there are vegans who are sickly because they don't eat well.

> They are not very smart.

>

> I don't see this as forcing my view upon them. I don't speak or

> preach to them about Veganism. Instead I teach them compassion.

> They copy how I behave around animals and how I respect them. I don't

> say veganism, veganism, veganism.

> instead it's a lifestyle. I tell them that we as a family believe

> that eating animals is wrong, just like I would tell them that

> stealing is wrong. Kids also " know " this.

>

> I find it so ironic that if you go to the childrens section of the

> library, there are a million books with animals of all sorts. It is

> hard to find a book without one. ( and cartoons on tv)

> Kids grow up reading about/loving these characters and do make the

> connection with those animals and what is on their plate. (piglet in

> winney the pooh = bacon)

>

> my six year old loved to stomp on insects, this is just something he

> (perhaps) saw other kids do, one day as he was stomping on them, I

> just said, " I wouldn't like to be that insect "

> he said " why not "

> I said " well how would you feel if a big giant came over and started

> killing you "

> He said, " i wouldn't like it "

>

> and so on. I am raising them vegan because I see it as a

> responsibility, when they are older they can chose to be carnivores.

> As an animal rights activist, I am passionate about saving the lives

> of 86 X 4 members of my family, animals a year.

> I was born vegetarian and I thank my mom for doing that. while my

> cousins were eating bologna sandwiches, I was eating peanut butter

> and jelly.

> I didn't like being different at the time, but now I am very

> grateful.

>

> of course i admit, it is much easier, never introducing them to meat,

> from the beginning.

>

> I think that what Peta is doing is trying to appeal to carnivores who

> are worried about losing their favorite " treats " and offering them

> the junk food vegan alternatives.

>

> -anouk

>

>

> little lamb on a hill, run fast if you can,

> good christians they want to kill you and your life hasn't even begun.

>

>

>

> > What's the difference between " my gawd ITS VEGAN! " and what

> vegans eat? Most vegans I know use margarine, most vegans I know eat

> tofutti products (I'm not picking on tofutti it's just a product I'm

> well versed with), most vegans I know eat soy (which some people say

> isn't safe) etc... Tofutti's cream cheese substitute is

> called " Better Than Cream Cheese " for goodness sake. It does give a

> false impression that this product is much healthier than regular

> cream cheese.

> >

> > And I agree, just because something doesn't come from animals,

> doesn't mean it is healthy. However people are given false

> impressions about certain products. Take PeTA for example..while

> they are primarily an animal advocate group they do pimp the " health

> benefits " of being a veg*n. In the " Vegetarian Starter Kit " there's

> an entire page dedicated to the health dangers of eating dairy and

> meat. In their " Vegetarian Starter Kit " they tell you to use

> margarine, tofutti ice cream, soy milk, etc... without even

> mentioning the fact they contain dangerous mono and di-glycerides as

> well and how they should really only be used sparingly. So while you

> may not eat something just because it's vegan, many people do and do

> so unbeknownst to the hidden dangers.

> >

> >

> >

> > Talisman

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>

[Guest guest]

Hi Anouk

 

> The health benefits of being vegan are real obvious to me.

> I haven't been to a doctor in six years, haven't had a cold for two.

> I don't look anything like other 32 two year olds living in my town.

> and I have tons of energy.

 

This is a very valid point - I've only been to the doctor once since turning

vegan, and that was because I fell off stage and wanted to know if I'd

broken any bones!! (I hadn't, so obviously the diet has kept my bones nice

and strong!)

 

BB

Peter

[Guest guest]

Anouk,

 

Many of the things you said echo my reasons for my current " quest " to

achieve " full-blown, accepted by other vegans, " vegan status.

Especially what you said about compassion. That is a word I use a lot.

It's a word I read about a lot in Buddhist readings. It's a word I used

on the news after the tsunami last December during a fund raiser I was

doing--and I was so adamant about it that I specifically requested to

each of the 3 newscasts that the word " compassion " be included somehow

in their broadcast (and it was).

 

I really hope to read more from you. We're very close in age (I'm 31),

and my wife and I raise three children (4, 8 and 10). I've become the

" pilot project " for veganism in the home, so I feel like a lot is riding

on my success or failure.

 

--Kevin

 

 

Anouk Sickler wrote:

 

>I don't see this as forcing my view upon them. I don't speak or

>preach to them about Veganism. Instead I teach them compassion.

>They copy how I behave around animals and how I respect them. I don't

>say veganism, veganism, veganism. instead it's a lifestyle.

>

[Guest guest]

I thought those with kids might be interested in vegans of long ago who

raised their kids vegan. http://www.vrg.org/journal/94sep.htm#native

 

Lynda

[Guest guest]

Thx!

 

Nikki

 

, " Lynda " <lurine@s...> wrote:

> I thought those with kids might be interested in vegans of long ago

who

> raised their kids vegan. http://www.vrg.org/journal/94sep.htm#native

>

> Lynda

[Guest guest]

, " Peter " <metalscarab@c...> wrote:

> Hi Anouk

>

> > This is a very valid point - I've only been to the doctor once

since turning

> vegan, and that was because I fell off stage and wanted to know if I'd

> broken any bones!! (I hadn't, so obviously the diet has kept my bones

nice

> and strong!)

>

> BB

> Peter

 

Fell off Stage???

Ohmygod,

I worked for the Metropolitan Opera House in nyc, I sold tickets, two

years ago, I got to see operas for free and this dude fell of the stage

in the middle of an important scene in " War and Peace "

He was a soldier marching and he marched and fell right into the

Orchestra!!

 

the general manager fired him of course, he said he just wanted

publicity and that he ruined the line of belieavility in a very

important production.

The guy says he got dizzy because he forgot to take a pill. but he did

appear in the New York Post, and then tickets to war and peace were

sold out.

[Guest guest]

sure, please don't be to hard on yourself. I read your blog one day

and I think that you are doing fine. We all went throught this.

I have only been vegan a year.

Now my biggest challenge is dealing with my family (aunts, uncles)

 

I will be traveling to ny where my relatives live and my aunt already

said to me over the phone " I will be baking you, your favorite

cookies, the ones you use to love as a child "

 

I have tried to explain, to them but they don't think I'm serious.

I told them I was vegan, but sometimes they 'forget' and serve me

things with butter or eggs in them.

 

( It is hard for me, because I was taught to never refused gifts,

from people in their 60's/elderly who in their heart are trying to be

nice)

 

I have to think of clever/polite ways to say no.

 

as far as kids go, it won't be easy at first, the best thing is to

show by example, and show them your human side.

 

I was in my 6 year olds school today, some empty classrooms, was the

last day of school here in the south and I was SHOCKED.

 

some classrooms were full of Mcdonalds propaganda, ronald mcdonald

was a clown in there helping kids to McRead. I kid you not. I took a

picture and I will send. ( in a way that doesn't clog up peoples

computers

 

 

 

 

 

, " Kevin L. McDonald " <kevin@b...>

wrote:

> Anouk,

>

> Many of the things you said echo my reasons for my current " quest "

to

> achieve " full-blown, accepted by other vegans, " vegan status.

> Especially what you said about compassion. That is a word I use a

lot.

> It's a word I read about a lot in Buddhist readings. It's a word I

used

> on the news after the tsunami last December during a fund raiser I

was

> doing--and I was so adamant about it that I specifically requested

to

> each of the 3 newscasts that the word " compassion " be included

somehow

> in their broadcast (and it was).

>

> I really hope to read more from you. We're very close in age (I'm

31),

> and my wife and I raise three children (4, 8 and 10). I've become

the

> " pilot project " for veganism in the home, so I feel like a lot is

riding

> on my success or failure.

>

> --Kevin

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I love reading about how these native indians raised their kids.

their connection to the earth.

 

, " Lynda " <lurine@s...> wrote:

> I thought those with kids might be interested in vegans of long ago

who

> raised their kids vegan. http://www.vrg.org/journal/94sep.htm#native

>

> Lynda

[Guest guest]

Poor chap!

 

Peter thankfully wasn't doing a performance at the time - I think it was

clearing up after a rehearsal.

 

Jo

>

> Fell off Stage???

> Ohmygod,

> I worked for the Metropolitan Opera House in nyc, I sold tickets, two

> years ago, I got to see operas for free and this dude fell of the stage

> in the middle of an important scene in " War and Peace "

> He was a soldier marching and he marched and fell right into the

> Orchestra!!

>

> the general manager fired him of course, he said he just wanted

> publicity and that he ruined the line of belieavility in a very

> important production.

> The guy says he got dizzy because he forgot to take a pill. but he did

> appear in the New York Post, and then tickets to war and peace were

> sold out.

>

>

>

>

>

> To send an email to -

>

[Guest guest]

Ah, I remember those days!

 

Now I get " are you still not eating food " ?

 

One of the best ways I have found to deal with going over to other

people's homes is to bring a dish or two of your own. I try to make

an easy dish that would be appealing to many so that they too can

try it. Once they do, they seem to relax a bit as the realize I am

not simply eating grass and leaves (as one relative kindly put it).

I even bring my own soy butter so as not to make the host feel put

out.

 

With my Gramma, it was the hardest tho. Before she moved to

Virginia, we use to go food shopping together every Saturday. And

because she felt like I was doing her a favor, she would bake

something for Zak and I as a thank you. The nice thing about it was

after shopping, we would sit and talk for a short bit (had stuff

melting in the trunk) and eat the dessert.

 

After I became a vegan, she felt as if she had nothing to offer me.

Which she never really needed to do in the first place, but it gave

her a sense of validation.

 

So one day I asked her if I could come over and bake with her.

Nothing too big, just to do it and I would show her how I use

substitues in place of eggs, butter, milk etc. And that's how it

started. I told her there was no need to do this every week, but

when the mood struck her at least she felt better about being able

to offer me something. Tho her coffee and conversation was enough.

 

I think once she saw that I could eat " normal " foods with just a few

changes, she felt better about my choice in general.

 

Nikki

 

, " Anouk Sickler " <zurumato@e...>

wrote:

> sure, please don't be to hard on yourself. I read your blog one

day

> and I think that you are doing fine. We all went throught this.

> I have only been vegan a year.

> Now my biggest challenge is dealing with my family (aunts, uncles)

>

> I will be traveling to ny where my relatives live and my aunt

already

> said to me over the phone " I will be baking you, your favorite

> cookies, the ones you use to love as a child "

>

> I have tried to explain, to them but they don't think I'm serious.

> I told them I was vegan, but sometimes they 'forget' and serve me

> things with butter or eggs in them.

>

> ( It is hard for me, because I was taught to never refused gifts,

> from people in their 60's/elderly who in their heart are trying to

be

> nice)

>

> I have to think of clever/polite ways to say no.

>

> as far as kids go, it won't be easy at first, the best thing is to

> show by example, and show them your human side.

>

> I was in my 6 year olds school today, some empty classrooms, was

the

> last day of school here in the south and I was SHOCKED.

>

> some classrooms were full of Mcdonalds propaganda, ronald

mcdonald

> was a clown in there helping kids to McRead. I kid you not. I

took a

> picture and I will send. ( in a way that doesn't clog up peoples

> computers

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

With gifts from our elderly relatives, a friend always says, " Thank you.

I'm going to save these for when I get home. " She isn't a radical vegan,

just a personal vegan (isn't trying to change the world) and she gives the

cookies, cakes, pies to a local convo and has them give them to the folks

who don't have family that bring them gifts.

 

Lynda

-

Anouk Sickler <zurumato

 

> I will be traveling to ny where my relatives live and my aunt already

> said to me over the phone " I will be baking you, your favorite

> cookies, the ones you use to love as a child "

>

> I have tried to explain, to them but they don't think I'm serious.

> I told them I was vegan, but sometimes they 'forget' and serve me

> things with butter or eggs in them.

>

> ( It is hard for me, because I was taught to never refused gifts,

> from people in their 60's/elderly who in their heart are trying to be

> nice)

>

> I have to think of clever/polite ways to say no.

[Guest guest]

Hi Anouk

 

> Fell off Stage???

 

Yep - 'fraid so! Although, in my defence, I was grabbing a piece of falling

scenery that was about to squash a small child, and overbalanced in the

process, so at least it wasn't too embarassing! Also, luckily, no audience

as we were taking the set down.

 

BB

Peter

[Guest guest]

Hi Peter,

 

You're a HERO!

 

A clumsy hero, but a hero none-the-less.

 

You didn't fall on the poor child, did you?

 

BB

Nikki

 

 

, " Peter " <metalscarab@c...> wrote:

> Hi Anouk

>

> > Fell off Stage???

>

> Yep - 'fraid so! Although, in my defence, I was grabbing a piece

of falling

> scenery that was about to squash a small child, and overbalanced

in the

> process, so at least it wasn't too embarassing! Also, luckily, no

audience

> as we were taking the set down.

>

> BB

> Peter

[Guest guest]

Hi Nikki

 

> You didn't fall on the poor child, did you?

 

Nope - I maintained my 100% record of not squishing children :-)

 

BB

Peter

[Guest guest]

Hi Peter

 

That's pretty impressive! What do you think has made you so successful

in this endeavor?

 

BB

Nikki

 

, " Peter " <metalscarab@c...> wrote:

> Hi Nikki

>

> > You didn't fall on the poor child, did you?

>

> Nope - I maintained my 100% record of not squishing children :-)

>

> BB

> Peter

[Guest guest]

Hi Nikki

 

> That's pretty impressive! What do you think has made you so successful

> in this endeavor?

 

I'd say the large part of my success has been avoiding children who are of a

squishable nature. Of course, this isn't always possible, but on the odd

occasion it can't be avoided it just needs the exercise of a little will

power :-)

 

BB

Peter

[Guest guest]

<<eg>> Children had really well developed self-preservation instincts and

move much faster than adults %-}

 

Lynda

-

nikki_mackovitch <nikkimack

 

Friday, May 27, 2005 2:03 PM

Re: Vegan Kids

 

 

> Hi Peter

>

> That's pretty impressive! What do you think has made you so successful

> in this endeavor?

>

> BB

> Nikki

>

[Guest guest]

I dunno, that Peter is a quick one!

 

Sneaky too! And if it was his double at the time, well we don't even

want to think about that!

 

Nikki

 

 

, " Lynda " <lurine@s...> wrote:

> <<eg>> Children had really well developed self-preservation

instincts and

> move much faster than adults %-}

>

> Lynda

> -

> nikki_mackovitch <nikkimack@m...>

>

> Friday, May 27, 2005 2:03 PM

> Re: Vegan Kids

>

>

> > Hi Peter

> >

> > That's pretty impressive! What do you think has made you so

successful

> > in this endeavor?

> >

> > BB

> > Nikki

> >