Guest guest Posted June 2, 2005 Report Share Posted June 2, 2005 Scientists create 'trust potion' The study looked at monetary exchanges A key hormone helps determine whether we will trust lovers, friends or business contacts, scientists claim. Exposure to an oxytocin " potion " led people to be more trusting, tests by University of Zurich researchers found. They say in Nature the finding could help people with conditions such as autism, where relating to others can be a problem. But one expert warned it could be misused by politicians who want to persuade more people to back them. Some may worry about the prospect that political operators will generously spray the crowd with oxytocin at rallies of their candidates Dr Antonio Damasio, University of Iowa College of Medicine Oxytocin is a molecule produced naturally in the hypothalamus area of the brain which regulates a variety of physiological processes, including emotion. It also acts on other brain regions whose function is associated with emotional and social behaviours, such as the amygdala. And animal studies have shown oxytocin is linked to bonding between males and females and mother infant bonding. Reaping rewards The Swiss team suspected the same effect may occur in humans and invited 58 people to take part in a " trust test " . The participants in the study played a game, in which they were split into " investors " and " trustees " . The investors were then given credits and told they could chose whether to hand over zero, four, eight or 12 credits to their assigned trustee. If the investor showed trust, the total amount which could be distributed between the two increased, but the trustee initially reaped all the reward. It was then up to them to decide if they would honour the investor's trust by sharing the profit equally - or if they would keep the lot. At the end of the game, the credits were translated into real money, meaning both participants had a selfish financial incentive. Investors and trustees were either given oxytocin via a nasal spray, or a dummy, or placebo, version. Of 29 investors who were given oxytocin, 13 (45%) displayed " maximal trust " by choosing to invest highly, compared to six (21%) of the 29 investors who were given the dummy spray. Oxytocin did not change the behaviour of trustees. In addition, when trustees were replaced by a computer, the oxytocin effect was no longer seen on the investors. 'Abuses' The researchers, led by Dr Ernest Fehr, say this suggests the chemical promotes social interaction, rather than simply encouraging people to take risks. And they say it appears to over-ride obstacles such as the fear of being betrayed. Writing in Nature, the team say: " Oxytoxin does not increase the general inclination to behave prosaically. Rather, oxytocin specifically affects the trusting behaviour of investors. " They suggest this is because people in the position of " investors " have to take the first step. The scientists say their findings could potentially be used to help people with conditions such as social phobia and autism which can be linked to persistent fear and avoiding social situations. " Our results might lead to fertile research on the role of oxytocin in several mental health disorders with major public health significance. " In the same journal, Dr Antonio Damasio of the Department of Neurology at the University of Iowa College of Medicine, said some may fear the findings could be used by those trying to gain people's trust. " Some may worry about the prospect that political operators will generously spray the crowd with oxytocin at rallies of their candidates. " The scenario may be rather too close to reality for comfort, but those with such fears should note that current marketing techniques - for political and other products - may well exert their effects through the natural release of molecules such as oxytocin in response to well-crafted stimuli. " Civic alarm at such abuses should have started long before this study. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2005 Report Share Posted June 2, 2005 you can do it cheaper with alcohol.......... heartwerk Jun 1, 2005 11:32 PM From the BBC website Scientists create 'trust potion' The study looked at monetary exchanges A key hormone helps determine whether we will trust lovers, friends or business contacts, scientists claim. Exposure to an oxytocin "potion" led people to be more trusting, tests by University of Zurich researchers found. They say in Nature the finding could help people with conditions such as autism, where relating to others can be a problem. But one expert warned it could be misused by politicians who want to persuade more people to back them. Some may worry about the prospect that political operators will generously spray the crowd with oxytocin at rallies of their candidates Dr Antonio Damasio, University of Iowa College of Medicine Oxytocin is a molecule produced naturally in the hypothalamus area of the brain which regulates a variety of physiological processes, including emotion. It also acts on other brain regions whose function is associated with emotional and social behaviours, such as the amygdala. And animal studies have shown oxytocin is linked to bonding between males and females and mother infant bonding. Reaping rewards The Swiss team suspected the same effect may occur in humans and invited 58 people to take part in a "trust test". The participants in the study played a game, in which they were split into "investors" and "trustees". The investors were then given credits and told they could chose whether to hand over zero, four, eight or 12 credits to their assigned trustee. If the investor showed trust, the total amount which could be distributed between the two increased, but the trustee initially reaped all the reward. It was then up to them to decide if they would honour the investor's trust by sharing the profit equally - or if they would keep the lot. At the end of the game, the credits were translated into real money, meaning both participants had a selfish financial incentive. Investors and trustees were either given oxytocin via a nasal spray, or a dummy, or placebo, version. Of 29 investors who were given oxytocin, 13 (45%) displayed "maximal trust" by choosing to invest highly, compared to six (21%) of the 29 investors who were given the dummy spray. Oxytocin did not change the behaviour of trustees. In addition, when trustees were replaced by a computer, the oxytocin effect was no longer seen on the investors. 'Abuses' The researchers, led by Dr Ernest Fehr, say this suggests the chemical promotes social interaction, rather than simply encouraging people to take risks. And they say it appears to over-ride obstacles such as the fear of being betrayed. Writing in Nature, the team say: "Oxytoxin does not increase the general inclination to behave prosaically. Rather, oxytocin specifically affects the trusting behaviour of investors." They suggest this is because people in the position of "investors" have to take the first step. The scientists say their findings could potentially be used to help people with conditions such as social phobia and autism which can be linked to persistent fear and avoiding social situations. "Our results might lead to fertile research on the role of oxytocin in several mental health disorders with major public health significance." In the same journal, Dr Antonio Damasio of the Department of Neurology at the University of Iowa College of Medicine, said some may fear the findings could be used by those trying to gain people's trust. "Some may worry about the prospect that political operators will generously spray the crowd with oxytocin at rallies of their candidates. "The scenario may be rather too close to reality for comfort, but those with such fears should note that current marketing techniques - for political and other products - may well exert their effects through the natural release of molecules such as oxytocin in response to well-crafted stimuli. "Civic alarm at such abuses should have started long before this study." To send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2005 Report Share Posted June 2, 2005 LOL - it sounds like you are extra nice when drunk. BBJo you can do it cheaper with alcohol.......... heartwerk Jun 1, 2005 11:32 PM From the BBC website Scientists create 'trust potion' The study looked at monetary exchanges A key hormone helps determine whether we will trust lovers, friends or business contacts, scientists claim. Exposure to an oxytocin "potion" led people to be more trusting, tests by University of Zurich researchers found. They say in Nature the finding could help people with conditions such as autism, where relating to others can be a problem. But one expert warned it could be misused by politicians who want to persuade more people to back them. Some may worry about the prospect that political operators will generously spray the crowd with oxytocin at rallies of th eir candidates Dr Antonio Damasio, University of Iowa College of Medicine Oxytocin is a molecule produced naturally in the hypothalamus area of the brain which regulates a variety of physiological processes, including emotion. It also acts on other brain regions whose function is associated with emotional and social behaviours, such as the amygdala. And animal studies have shown oxytocin is linked to bonding between males and females and mother infant bonding. Reaping rewards The Swiss team suspected the same effect may occur in humans and invited 58 people to take part in a "trust test". The participants in the study played a game, in which they were split into "investors" and "trustees". The investors were then given credits and told they could chose whether to hand over zero, four, eight or 12 credits to their assigned trustee. If the investor showed trust, the total amount which could be distributed between the two increased, but the trustee initially reaped all the reward. It was then up to them to decide if they would honour the investor's trust by sharing the profit equally - or if they would keep the lot. At the end of the game, the credits were translated into real money, meaning both participants had a selfish financial incentive. Investors and trustees were either given oxytocin via a nasal spray, or a dummy, or placebo, version. Of 29 investors who were given oxytocin, 13 (45%) displayed "maximal trust" by choosing to invest highly, compared to six (21%) of the 29 investors who were given the dummy spray. Oxytocin did not change the behaviour of trustees. In addition, when trustees were replaced by a computer, the oxytocin effect was no longer seen on the investors. 'Abuses' The researchers, led by Dr Ernest Fehr, say this suggests the chemical promotes social interaction, rather than simply encouraging people to take risks. And they say it appears to over-ride obstacles such as the fear of being betrayed. Writing in Nature, the team say: "Oxytoxin does not increase the general inclination to behave prosaically. Rather, oxytocin specifically affects the trusting behaviour of investors." They suggest this is because people in the position of "investors" have to take the first step. The scientists say their findings could potentially be used to help people with conditions such as social phobia and autism which can be linked to persistent fear and avoiding social situations. "Our results might lead to fertile research on the role of oxytocin in several mental health disorders with major public health significance." In the same journal, Dr Antonio Damasio of the Department of Neurology at the University of Iowa College of M edicine, said some may fear the findings could be used by those trying to gain people's trust. "Some may worry about the prospect that political operators will generously spray the crowd with oxytocin at rallies of their candidates. "The scenario may be rather too close to reality for comfort, but those with such fears should note that current marketing techniques - for political and other products - may well exert their effects through the natural release of molecules such as oxytocin in response to well-crafted stimuli. "Civic alarm at such abuses should have started long before this study." To send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2005 Report Share Posted June 2, 2005 am i not nice most of the time?? ok..now..put 2 and 2 together... wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee nuthin like drinkin at work now..if only i could make drinkin my job.... Jo Cwazy Jun 2, 2005 12:29 PM Re: From the BBC website LOL - it sounds like you are extra nice when drunk. BBJo you can do it cheaper with alcohol.......... heartwerk Jun 1, 2005 11:32 PM From the BBC website Scientists create 'trust potion' The study looked at monetary exchanges A key hormone helps determine whether we will trust lovers, friends or business contacts, scientists claim. Exposure to an oxytocin "potion" led people to be more trusting, tests by University of Zurich researchers found. They say in Nature the finding could help people with conditions such as autism, where relating to others can be a problem. But one expert warned it could be misused by politicians who want to persuade more people to back them. Some may worry about the prospect that political operators will generously spray the crowd with oxytocin at rallies of th eir candidates Dr Antonio Damasio, University of Iowa College of Medicine Oxytocin is a molecule produced naturally in the hypothalamus area of the brain which regulates a variety of physiological processes, including emotion. It also acts on other brain regions whose function is associated with emotional and social behaviours, such as the amygdala. And animal studies have shown oxytocin is linked to bonding between males and females and mother infant bonding. Reaping rewards The Swiss team suspected the same effect may occur in humans and invited 58 people to take part in a "trust test". The participants in the study played a game, in which they were split into "investors" and "trustees". The investors were then given credits and told they could chose whether to hand over zero, four, eight or 12 credits to their assigned trustee. If the investor showed trust, the total amount which could be distributed between the two increased, but the trustee initially reaped all the reward. It was then up to them to decide if they would honour the investor's trust by sharing the profit equally - or if they would keep the lot. At the end of the game, the credits were translated into real money, meaning both participants had a selfish financial incentive. Investors and trustees were either given oxytocin via a nasal spray, or a dummy, or placebo, version. Of 29 investors who were given oxytocin, 13 (45%) displayed "maximal trust" by choosing to invest highly, compared to six (21%) of the 29 investors who were given the dummy spray. Oxytocin did not change the behaviour of trustees. In addition, when trustees were replaced by a computer, the oxytocin effect was no longer seen on the investors. 'Abuses' The researchers, led by Dr Ernest Fehr, say this suggests the chemical promotes social interaction, rather than simply encouraging people to take risks. And they say it appears to over-ride obstacles such as the fear of being betrayed. Writing in Nature, the team say: "Oxytoxin does not increase the general inclination to behave prosaically. Rather, oxytocin specifically affects the trusting behaviour of investors." They suggest this is because people in the position of "investors" have to take the first step. The scientists say their findings could potentially be used to help people with conditions such as social phobia and autism which can be linked to persistent fear and avoiding social situations. "Our results might lead to fertile research on the role of oxytocin in several mental health disorders with major public health significance." In the same journal, Dr Antonio Damasio of the Department of Neurology at the University of Iowa College of M edicine, said some may fear the findings could be used by those trying to gain people's trust. "Some may worry about the prospect that political operators will generously spray the crowd with oxytocin at rallies of their candidates. "The scenario may be rather too close to reality for comfort, but those with such fears should note that current marketing techniques - for political and other products - may well exert their effects through the natural release of molecules such as oxytocin in response to well-crafted stimuli. "Civic alarm at such abuses should have started long before this study." To send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2005 Report Share Posted June 2, 2005 Hi Fraggle > ok..now..put 2 and 2 together... Hmmm - just makes a rather bulky and unweildy super-sized 2 :-) BB Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2005 Report Share Posted June 2, 2005 You are. I think being drunk intensifies a person's character - extra nice if nice most of the time, more aggressive if that is the normal character etc. Jo - fraggle Thursday, June 02, 2005 6:05 PM Re: From the BBC website am i not nice most of the time?? ok..now..put 2 and 2 together... wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee nuthin like drinkin at work now..if only i could make drinkin my job.... Jo Cwazy Jun 2, 2005 12:29 PM Re: From the BBC website LOL - it sounds like you are extra nice when drunk. BBJo you can do it cheaper with alcohol.......... heartwerk Jun 1, 2005 11:32 PM From the BBC website Scientists create 'trust potion' The study looked at monetary exchanges A key hormone helps determine whether we will trust lovers, friends or business contacts, scientists claim. Exposure to an oxytocin "potion" led people to be more trusting, tests by University of Zurich researchers found. They say in Nature the finding could help people with conditions such as autism, where relating to others can be a problem. But one expert warned it could be misused by politicians who want to persuade more people to back them. Some may worry about the prospect that political operators will generousl y spray the crowd with oxytocin at rallies of th eir candidates Dr Antonio Damasio, University of Iowa College of Medicine Oxytocin is a molecule produced naturally in the hypothalamus area of the brain which regulates a variety of physiological processes, including emotion. It also acts on other brain regions whose function is associated with emotional and social behaviours, such as the amygdala. And animal studies have shown oxytocin is linked to bonding between males and females and mother infant bonding. Reaping rewards The Swiss team suspected the same effect may occur in humans and invited 58 people to take part in a "trust test". The participants in the study played a game, in which they were split into "investors" and "trustees". The investors were then given credits and told they could chose whether to hand over zero, four, eight or 12 credits to their assigned trustee. < BR>If the investor showed trust, the total amount which could be distributed between the two increased, but the trustee initially reaped all the reward. It was then up to them to decide if they would honour the investor's trust by sharing the profit equally - or if they would keep the lot. At the end of the game, the credits were translated into real money, meaning both participants had a selfish financial incentive. Investors and trustees were either given oxytocin via a nasal spray, or a dummy, or placebo, version. Of 29 investors who were given oxytocin, 13 (45%) displayed "maximal trust" by choosing to invest highly, compared to six (21%) of the 29 investors who were given the dummy spray. Oxytocin did not change the behaviour of trustees. In addition, when trustees were replaced by a computer, the oxytocin effect was no longer seen on the investors. 'Abuses' The researchers, led by Dr Ernest Fehr, say this suggests the chemical promotes social interaction, rather than simply encouraging people to take risks. And they say it appears to over-ride obstacles such as the fear of being betrayed. Writing in Nature, the team say: "Oxytoxin does not increase the general inclination to behave prosaically. Rather, oxytocin specifically affects the trusting behaviour of investors." They suggest this is because people in the position of "investors" have to take the first step. The scientists say their findings could potentially be used to help people with conditions such as social phobia and autism which can be linked to persistent fear and avoiding social situations. "Our results might lead to fertile research on the role of oxytocin in several mental health disorders with major public health significance." In the same journal, Dr Antonio Damasio of the Department of Neurology at the University of Iowa College of M edicine, said some may fear the findings could be used by those trying to gain people's trust. "Some may worry about the prospect that political operators will generously spray the crowd with oxytocin at rallies of their candidates. "The scenario may be rather too close to reality for comfort, but those with such fears should note that current marketing techniques - for political and other products - may well exert their effects through the natural release of molecules such as oxytocin in response to well-crafted stimuli. "Civic alarm at such abuses should have started long before this study." To send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2005 Report Share Posted June 3, 2005 Hmmm, sounds like something governments would like so that voters would trust them. Brainwashing in a pill??? Lynda - heartwerk <heartwork Wednesday, June 01, 2005 11:32 PM From the BBC website > Scientists create 'trust potion' > > The study looked at monetary exchanges > A key hormone helps determine whether we will trust lovers, friends > or business contacts, scientists claim. > Exposure to an oxytocin " potion " led people to be more trusting, > tests by University of Zurich researchers found. > > They say in Nature the finding could help people with conditions such > as autism, where relating to others can be a problem. > > But one expert warned it could be misused by politicians who want to > persuade more people to back them. > > Some may worry about the prospect that political operators will > generously spray the crowd with oxytocin at rallies of their > candidates > > Dr Antonio Damasio, University of Iowa College of Medicine > > Oxytocin is a molecule produced naturally in the hypothalamus area of > the brain which regulates a variety of physiological processes, > including emotion. > > It also acts on other brain regions whose function is associated with > emotional and social behaviours, such as the amygdala. > > And animal studies have shown oxytocin is linked to bonding between > males and females and mother infant bonding. > > Reaping rewards > > The Swiss team suspected the same effect may occur in humans and > invited 58 people to take part in a " trust test " . > > The participants in the study played a game, in which they were split > into " investors " and " trustees " . The investors were then given > credits and told they could chose whether to hand over zero, four, > eight or 12 credits to their assigned trustee. > > If the investor showed trust, the total amount which could be > distributed between the two increased, but the trustee initially > reaped all the reward. > > It was then up to them to decide if they would honour the investor's > trust by sharing the profit equally - or if they would keep the lot. > > At the end of the game, the credits were translated into real money, > meaning both participants had a selfish financial incentive. > > Investors and trustees were either given oxytocin via a nasal spray, > or a dummy, or placebo, version. > > Of 29 investors who were given oxytocin, 13 (45%) displayed " maximal > trust " by choosing to invest highly, compared to six (21%) of the 29 > investors who were given the dummy spray. > > Oxytocin did not change the behaviour of trustees. > > In addition, when trustees were replaced by a computer, the oxytocin > effect was no longer seen on the investors. > > 'Abuses' > > The researchers, led by Dr Ernest Fehr, say this suggests the > chemical promotes social interaction, rather than simply encouraging > people to take risks. > > And they say it appears to over-ride obstacles such as the fear of > being betrayed. > > Writing in Nature, the team say: " Oxytoxin does not increase the > general inclination to behave prosaically. Rather, oxytocin > specifically affects the trusting behaviour of investors. " > > They suggest this is because people in the position of " investors " > have to take the first step. > > The scientists say their findings could potentially be used to help > people with conditions such as social phobia and autism which can be > linked to persistent fear and avoiding social situations. > > " Our results might lead to fertile research on the role of oxytocin > in several mental health disorders with major public health > significance. " > > In the same journal, Dr Antonio Damasio of the Department of > Neurology at the University of Iowa College of Medicine, said some > may fear the findings could be used by those trying to gain people's > trust. > > " Some may worry about the prospect that political operators will > generously spray the crowd with oxytocin at rallies of their > candidates. > > " The scenario may be rather too close to reality for comfort, but > those with such fears should note that current marketing techniques - > for political and other products - may well exert their effects > through the natural release of molecules such as oxytocin in response > to well-crafted stimuli. > > " Civic alarm at such abuses should have started long before this > study. " > > To send an email to - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2005 Report Share Posted June 3, 2005 My best friend use to always say that when you drink you tend to do the things you are not brave enough to do when you are sober. Nikki , " Jo Cwazy " <heartwork@c...> wrote: > You are. I think being drunk intensifies a person's character - extra nice if nice most of the time, more aggressive if that is the normal character etc. > > Jo > - > fraggle > > Thursday, June 02, 2005 6:05 PM > Re: From the BBC website > > > am i not nice most of the time?? > ok..now..put 2 and 2 together... > wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee > > nuthin like drinkin at work > now..if only i could make drinkin my job.... > > > > Jo Cwazy > Jun 2, 2005 12:29 PM > > Re: From the BBC website > > > LOL - it sounds like you are extra nice when drunk. > > BB > Jo > > you can do it cheaper with alcohol.......... > > > > heartwerk > Jun 1, 2005 11:32 PM > > From the BBC website > > Scientists create 'trust potion' > > The study looked at monetary exchanges > A key hormone helps determine whether we will trust lovers, friends > or business contacts, scientists claim. > Exposure to an oxytocin " potion " led people to be more trusting, > tests by University of Zurich researchers found. > > They say in Nature the finding could help people with conditions such > as autism, where relating to others can be a problem. > > But one expert warned it could be misused by politicians who want to > persuade more people to back them. > > Some may worry about the prospect that political operators will > generousl y spray the crowd with oxytocin at rallies of th eir > candidates > > Dr Antonio Damasio, University of Iowa College of Medicine > > Oxytocin is a molecule produced naturally in the hypothalamus area of > the brain which regulates a variety of physiological processes, > including emotion. > > It also acts on other brain regions whose function is associated with > emotional and social behaviours, such as the amygdala. > > And animal studies have shown oxytocin is linked to bonding between > males and females and mother infant bonding. > > Reaping rewards > > The Swiss team suspected the same effect may occur in humans and > invited 58 people to take part in a " trust test " . > > The participants in the study played a game, in which they were split > into " investors " and " trustees " . The investors were then given > credits and told they could chose whether to hand over zero, four, > eight or 12 credits to their assigned trustee. > < BR>If the investor showed trust, the total amount which could be > distributed between the two increased, but the trustee initially > reaped all the reward. > > It was then up to them to decide if they would honour the investor's > trust by sharing the profit equally - or if they would keep the lot. > > At the end of the game, the credits were translated into real money, > meaning both participants had a selfish financial incentive. > > Investors and trustees were either given oxytocin via a nasal spray, > or a dummy, or placebo, version. > > Of 29 investors who were given oxytocin, 13 (45%) displayed " maximal > trust " by choosing to invest highly, compared to six (21%) of the 29 > investors who were given the dummy spray. > > Oxytocin did not change the behaviour of trustees. > > In addition, when trustees were replaced by a computer, the oxytocin > effect was no longer seen on the investors. > > 'Abuses' > > The researchers, led by Dr Ernest Fehr, say this suggests the > chemical promotes social interaction, rather than simply encouraging > people to take risks. > > And they say it appears to over-ride obstacles such as the fear of > being betrayed. > > Writing in Nature, the team say: " Oxytoxin does not increase the > general inclination to behave prosaically. Rather, oxytocin > specifically affects the trusting behaviour of investors. " > > They suggest this is because people in the position of " investors " > have to take the first step. > > The scientists say their findings could potentially be used to help > people with conditions such as social phobia and autism which can be > linked to persistent fear and avoiding social situations. > > " Our results might lead to fertile research on the role of oxytocin > in several mental health disorders with major public health > significance. " > > In the same journal, Dr Antonio Damasio of the Department of > Neurology at the University of Iowa College of M edicine, said some > may fear the findings could be used by those trying to gain people's > trust. > > " Some may worry about the prospect that political operators will > generously spray the crowd with oxytocin at rallies of their > candidates. > > " The scenario may be rather too close to reality for comfort, but > those with such fears should note that current marketing techniques - > for political and other products - may well exert their effects > through the natural release of molecules such as oxytocin in response > to well-crafted stimuli. > > " Civic alarm at such abuses should have started long before this > study. " > To send an email to - > > > > - --------- > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2005 Report Share Posted June 4, 2005 I remember years ago, I used to get very aggressive and obnoxious after a few too many. Now I just fall asleep before I reach that stage! Old age does`nt come on its own - whatever that means? The Valley Vegan.......Jo Cwazy <heartwork wrote: You are. I think being drunk intensifies a person's character - extra nice if nice most of the time, more aggressive if that is the normal character etc. Jo - fraggle Thursday, June 02, 2005 6:05 PM Re: From the BBC website am i not nice most of the time?? ok..now..put 2 and 2 together... wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee nuthin like drinkin at work now..if only i could make drinkin my job.... Jo Cwazy Jun 2, 2005 12:29 PM Re: From the BBC website LOL - it sounds like you are extra nice when drunk. BBJo you can do it cheaper with alcohol.......... heartwerk Jun 1, 2005 11:32 PM From the BBC website Scientists create 'trust potion' The study looked at monetary exchanges A key hormone helps determine whether we will trust lovers, friends or business contacts, scientists claim. Exposure to an oxytocin "potion" led people to be more trusting, tests by University of Zurich researchers found. They say in Nature the finding could help people with conditions such as autism, where relating to others can be a problem. But one expert warned it could be misused by politicians who want to persuade more people to back them. Some may worry about the prospect that political operators will generousl y spray the crowd with oxytocin at rallies of th eir candidates Dr Antonio Damasio, University of Iowa College of Medicine Oxytocin is a molecule produced naturally in the hypothalamus area of the brain which regulates a variety of physiological processes, including emotion. It also acts on other brain regions whose function is associated with emotional and social behaviours, such as the amygdala. And animal studies have shown oxytocin is linked to bonding between males and females and mother infant bonding. Reaping rewards The Swiss team suspected the same effect may occur in humans and invited 58 people to take part in a "trust test". The participants in the study played a game, in which they were split into "investors" and "trustees". The investors were then given credits and told they could chose whether to hand over zero, four, eight or 12 credits to their assigned trustee. < BR>If the investor showed trust, the total amount which could be distributed between the two increased, but the trustee initially reaped all the reward. It was then up to them to decide if they would honour the investor's trust by sharing the profit equally - or if they would keep the lot. At the end of the game, the credits were translated into real money, meaning both participants had a selfish financial incentive. Investors and trustees were either given oxytocin via a nasal spray, or a dummy, or placebo, version. Of 29 investors who were given oxytocin, 13 (45%) displayed "maximal trust" by choosing to invest highly, compared to six (21%) of the 29 investors who were given the dummy spray. Oxytocin did not change the behaviour of trustees. In addition, when trustees were replaced by a computer, the oxytocin effect was no longer seen on the investors. 'Abuses' The researchers, led by Dr Ernest Fehr, say this suggests the chemical promotes social interaction, rather than simply encouraging people to take risks. And they say it appears to over-ride obstacles such as the fear of being betrayed. Writing in Nature, the team say: "Oxytoxin does not increase the general inclination to behave prosaically. Rather, oxytocin specifically affects the trusting behaviour of investors." They suggest this is because people in the position of "investors" have to take the first step. The scientists say their findings could potentially be used to help people with conditions such as social phobia and autism which can be linked to persistent fear and avoiding social situations. "Our results might lead to fertile research on the role of oxytocin in several mental health disorders with major public health significance." In the same journal, Dr Antonio Damasio of the Department of Neurology at the University of Iowa College of M edicine, said some may fear the findings could be used by those trying to gain people's trust. "Some may worry about the prospect that political operators will generously spray the crowd with oxytocin at rallies of their candidates. "The scenario may be rather too close to reality for comfort, but those with such fears should note that current marketing techniques - for political and other products - may well exert their effects through the natural release of molecules such as oxytocin in response to well-crafted stimuli. "Civic alarm at such abuses should have started long before this study." To send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2005 Report Share Posted June 4, 2005 The other night I spent 4 hours in a club (Slim's for the bay area folks). My daughter was there for a concert - (she's too young to drive and it's not a place I would just drop her off). So there I was - easily the oldest person in the room (I'm 41) and it was fascinating watching the way behaviors changed as people became intoxicated. A lot of very free spirits emerged ;-) And I was also asked a question I haven't heard in years - " what year did you graduate? " - this from a 20 year old young man. I told him " before you were born son " nancy , " nikki_mackovitch " <nikkimack@m...> wrote: > My best friend use to always say that when you drink you tend to do > the things you are not brave enough to do when you are sober. > > Nikki > > , " Jo Cwazy " <heartwork@c...> wrote: > > You are. I think being drunk intensifies a person's character - > extra nice if nice most of the time, more aggressive if that is the > normal character etc. > > > > Jo > > - > > fraggle > > > > Thursday, June 02, 2005 6:05 PM > > Re: From the BBC website > > > > > > am i not nice most of the time?? > > ok..now..put 2 and 2 together... > > wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee > > > > nuthin like drinkin at work > > now..if only i could make drinkin my job.... > > > > > > > > Jo Cwazy > > Jun 2, 2005 12:29 PM > > > > Re: From the BBC website > > > > > > LOL - it sounds like you are extra nice when drunk. > > > > BB > > Jo > > > > you can do it cheaper with alcohol.......... > > > > > > > > heartwerk > > Jun 1, 2005 11:32 PM > > > > From the BBC website > > > > Scientists create 'trust potion' > > > > The study looked at monetary exchanges > > A key hormone helps determine whether we will trust lovers, > friends > > or business contacts, scientists claim. > > Exposure to an oxytocin " potion " led people to be more > trusting, > > tests by University of Zurich researchers found. > > > > They say in Nature the finding could help people with > conditions such > > as autism, where relating to others can be a problem. > > > > But one expert warned it could be misused by politicians who > want to > > persuade more people to back them. > > > > Some may worry about the prospect that political operators > will > > generousl y spray the crowd with oxytocin at rallies of th eir > > candidates > > > > Dr Antonio Damasio, University of Iowa College of Medicine > > > > Oxytocin is a molecule produced naturally in the hypothalamus > area of > > the brain which regulates a variety of physiological > processes, > > including emotion. > > > > It also acts on other brain regions whose function is > associated with > > emotional and social behaviours, such as the amygdala. > > > > And animal studies have shown oxytocin is linked to bonding > between > > males and females and mother infant bonding. > > > > Reaping rewards > > > > The Swiss team suspected the same effect may occur in humans > and > > invited 58 people to take part in a " trust test " . > > > > The participants in the study played a game, in which they > were split > > into " investors " and " trustees " . The investors were then given > > credits and told they could chose whether to hand over zero, > four, > > eight or 12 credits to their assigned trustee. > > < BR>If the investor showed trust, the total amount which > could be > > distributed between the two increased, but the trustee > initially > > reaped all the reward. > > > > It was then up to them to decide if they would honour the > investor's > > trust by sharing the profit equally - or if they would keep > the lot. > > > > At the end of the game, the credits were translated into real > money, > > meaning both participants had a selfish financial incentive. > > > > Investors and trustees were either given oxytocin via a nasal > spray, > > or a dummy, or placebo, version. > > > > Of 29 investors who were given oxytocin, 13 (45%) > displayed " maximal > > trust " by choosing to invest highly, compared to six (21%) of > the 29 > > investors who were given the dummy spray. > > > > Oxytocin did not change the behaviour of trustees. > > > > In addition, when trustees were replaced by a computer, the > oxytocin > > effect was no longer seen on the investors. > > > > 'Abuses' > > > > The researchers, led by Dr Ernest Fehr, say this suggests the > > chemical promotes social interaction, rather than simply > encouraging > > people to take risks. > > > > And they say it appears to over-ride obstacles such as the > fear of > > being betrayed. > > > > Writing in Nature, the team say: " Oxytoxin does not increase > the > > general inclination to behave prosaically. Rather, oxytocin > > specifically affects the trusting behaviour of investors. " > > > > They suggest this is because people in the position > of " investors " > > have to take the first step. > > > > The scientists say their findings could potentially be used to > help > > people with conditions such as social phobia and autism which > can be > > linked to persistent fear and avoiding social situations. > > > > " Our results might lead to fertile research on the role of > oxytocin > > in several mental health disorders with major public health > > significance. " > > > > In the same journal, Dr Antonio Damasio of the Department of > > Neurology at the University of Iowa College of M edicine, said > some > > may fear the findings could be used by those trying to gain > people's > > trust. > > > > " Some may worry about the prospect that political operators > will > > generously spray the crowd with oxytocin at rallies of their > > candidates. > > > > " The scenario may be rather too close to reality for comfort, > but > > those with such fears should note that current marketing > techniques - > > for political and other products - may well exert their > effects > > through the natural release of molecules such as oxytocin in > response > > to well-crafted stimuli. > > > > " Civic alarm at such abuses should have started long before > this > > study. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To send an email to - > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------- -- > --------- > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2005 Report Share Posted June 4, 2005 never been a fan of slims but at least it ain't far from BARToff topic fer everyone else..but...wot show? njdoane Jun 4, 2005 8:33 AM Re: From the BBC website The other night I spent 4 hours in a club (Slim's for the bay area folks). My daughter was there for a concert - (she's too young to drive and it's not a place I would just drop her off). So there I was - easily the oldest person in the room (I'm 41) and it was fascinating watching the way behaviors changed as people became intoxicated. A lot of very free spirits emerged ;-) And I was also asked a question I haven't heard in years - "what year did you graduate?" - this from a 20 year old young man. I told him "before you were born son"nancy , "nikki_mackovitch" <nikkimack@m...> wrote:> My best friend use to always say that when you drink you tend to do > the things you are not brave enough to do when you are sober.> > Nikki> > , "Jo Cwazy" <heartwork@c...> wrote:> > You are. I think being drunk intensifies a person's character - > extra nice if nice most of the time, more aggressive if that is the > normal character etc.> > > > Jo> > - > > fraggle > > > > Thursday, June 02, 2005 6:05 PM> > Re: From the BBC website> > > > > > am i not nice most of the time??> > ok..now..put 2 and 2 together...> > wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee> > > > nuthin like drinkin at work> > now..if only i could make drinkin my job....> > > > > > > > Jo Cwazy > > Jun 2, 2005 12:29 PM > > > > Re: From the BBC website > > > > > > LOL - it sounds like you are extra nice when drunk.> > > > BB> > Jo> > > > you can do it cheaper with alcohol..........> > > > > > > > heartwerk > > Jun 1, 2005 11:32 PM > > > > From the BBC website > > > > Scientists create 'trust potion' > > > > The study looked at monetary exchanges > > A key hormone helps determine whether we will trust lovers, > friends > > or business contacts, scientists claim. > > Exposure to an oxytocin "potion" led people to be more > trusting, > > tests by University of Zurich researchers found. > > > > They say in Nature the finding could help people with > conditions such > > as autism, where relating to others can be a problem. > > > > But one expert warned it could be misused by politicians who > want to > > persuade more people to back them. > > > > Some may worry about the prospect that political operators > will > > generousl y spray the crowd with oxytocin at rallies of th eir > > candidates > > > > Dr Antonio Damasio, University of Iowa College of Medicine > > > > Oxytocin is a molecule produced naturally in the hypothalamus > area of > > the brain which regulates a variety of physiological > processes, > > including emotion. > > > > It also acts on other brain regions whose function is > associated with > > emotional and social behaviours, such as the amygdala. > > > > And animal studies have shown oxytocin is linked to bonding > between > > males and females and mother infant bonding. > > > > Reaping rewards > > > > The Swiss team suspected the same effect may occur in humans > and > > invited 58 people to take part in a "trust test". > > > > The participants in the study played a game, in which they > were split > > into "investors" and "trustees". The investors were then given > > credits and told they could chose whether to hand over zero, > four, > > eight or 12 credits to their assigned trustee. > > < BR>If the investor showed trust, the total amount which > could be > > distributed between the two increased, but the trustee > initially > > reaped all the reward. > > > > It was then up to them to decide if they would honour the > investor's > > trust by sharing the profit equally - or if they would keep > the lot. > > > > At the end of the game, the credits were translated into real > money, > > meaning both participants had a selfish financial incentive. > > > > Investors and trustees were either given oxytocin via a nasal > spray, > > or a dummy, or placebo, version. > > > > Of 29 investors who were given oxytocin, 13 (45%) > displayed "maximal > > trust" by choosing to invest highly, compared to six (21%) of > the 29 > > investors who were given the dummy spray. > > > > Oxytocin did not change the behaviour of trustees. > > > > In addition, when trustees were replaced by a computer, the > oxytocin > > effect was no longer seen on the investors. > > > > 'Abuses' > > > > The researchers, led by Dr Ernest Fehr, say this suggests the > > chemical promotes social interaction, rather than simply > encouraging > > people to take risks. > > > > And they say it appears to over-ride obstacles such as the > fear of > > being betrayed. > > > > Writing in Nature, the team say: "Oxytoxin does not increase > the > > general inclination to behave prosaically. Rather, oxytocin > > specifically affects the trusting behaviour of investors." > > > > They suggest this is because people in the position > of "investors" > > have to take the first step. > > > > The scientists say their findings could potentially be used to > help > > people with conditions such as social phobia and autism which > can be > > linked to persistent fear and avoiding social situations. > > > > "Our results might lead to fertile research on the role of > oxytocin > > in several mental health disorders with major public health > > significance." > > > > In the same journal, Dr Antonio Damasio of the Department of > > Neurology at the University of Iowa College of M edicine, said > some > > may fear the findings could be used by those trying to gain > people's > > trust. > > > > "Some may worry about the prospect that political operators > will > > generously spray the crowd with oxytocin at rallies of their > > candidates. > > > > "The scenario may be rather too close to reality for comfort, > but > > those with such fears should note that current marketing > techniques - > > for political and other products - may well exert their > effects > > through the natural release of molecules such as oxytocin in > response > > to well-crafted stimuli. > > > > "Civic alarm at such abuses should have started long before > this > > study." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To send an email to -> > > > > > > > > -> ---------> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2005 Report Share Posted June 4, 2005 , fraggle <EBbrewpunx@e...> wrote: > never been a fan of slims >but at least it ain't far from BARToff topic fer everyone >else..but...wot show? yes, off topic - my apologies! the headliner was Finch - preceded by screaming bands #1,2 and 3. I like Slims - easy to get to and from and when you have kids who like to listen to live music - it's cheap! Plus easy to get CDs signed, etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2005 Report Share Posted June 4, 2005 hmmmm never heards of em then again, my focus on music is sorta..umm..focused and limited slims is expensive, full of wannabe rockstars and prententious scenesters...imo glad you seem to have had a good time tho! where do you all like to go to entertain yerselves? be it live music, dancing, movies, plays, knitting conventions, wotever.... njdoane Jun 4, 2005 9:31 AM Re: From the BBC website , fraggle <EBbrewpunx@e...> wrote:> never been a fan of slims>but at least it ain't far from BARToff topic fer everyone >else..but...wot show?yes, off topic - my apologies!the headliner was Finch - preceded by screaming bands #1,2 and 3.I like Slims - easy to get to and from and when you have kids who like to listen to live music - it's cheap! Plus easy to get CDs signed, etcTo send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2005 Report Share Posted June 4, 2005 , fraggle <EBbrewpunx@e...> wrote: > hmmmm >never heards of em then again, my focus on music is >sorta..umm..focused and limited slims is expensive, full of wannabe >rockstars and prententious scenesters...imo >glad you seem to have had a good time tho! I guess I think Slims is cheap because I'm comparing it to taking them to a real concert (eg four tix to Tom Petty at the Greek this summer set me back $276!). And we're typically going to shows that appeal to a young (teen) crowd - so not a lot of scenesters. There's not a lot of places that offer all ages shows. Bottom of the Hill has them sometimes, GAMH. Occasionally something at Freight and Salvage - but usually it's too mellow for the kids. I love listening to live music and it's something I can do with my teens (and it scores me some cool mom points - a very valuable commodity). Other than that - hiking, cooking, gardening, photography. nancy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2005 Report Share Posted June 4, 2005 ~~sigh~~ whatever happened to Day on the Green. Everyone could afford it and there were always at least two high profile bands/singers and two or three coming up bands. Lynda - njdoane <njdoane Saturday, June 04, 2005 9:51 AM Re: From the BBC website > , fraggle <EBbrewpunx@e...> wrote: > > hmmmm > >never heards of em then again, my focus on music is > >sorta..umm..focused and limited slims is expensive, full of wannabe > >rockstars and prententious scenesters...imo > >glad you seem to have had a good time tho! > > I guess I think Slims is cheap because I'm comparing it to taking > them to a real concert (eg four tix to Tom Petty at the Greek this > summer set me back $276!). And we're typically going to shows that > appeal to a young (teen) crowd - so not a lot of scenesters. > There's not a lot of places that offer all ages shows. Bottom of the > Hill has them sometimes, GAMH. Occasionally something at Freight > and Salvage - but usually it's too mellow for the kids. > > I love listening to live music and it's something I can do with my > teens (and it scores me some cool mom points - a very valuable > commodity). Other than that - hiking, cooking, gardening, > photography. > > nancy > > > To send an email to - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2005 Report Share Posted June 4, 2005 Was it a pick up line or a genuine question asked out of interest? Jo - " njdoane " <njdoane Saturday, June 04, 2005 4:33 PM Re: From the BBC website > The other night I spent 4 hours in a club (Slim's for the bay area > folks). My daughter was there for a concert - (she's too young to > drive and it's not a place I would just drop her off). So there I > was - easily the oldest person in the room (I'm 41) and it was > fascinating watching the way behaviors changed as people became > intoxicated. A lot of very free spirits emerged ;-) And I was also > asked a question I haven't heard in years - " what year did you > graduate? " - this from a 20 year old young man. I told him " before > you were born son " > > nancy > , " nikki_mackovitch " > <nikkimack@m...> wrote: > > My best friend use to always say that when you drink you tend to > do > > the things you are not brave enough to do when you are sober. > > > > Nikki > > > > , " Jo Cwazy " <heartwork@c...> > wrote: > > > You are. I think being drunk intensifies a person's character - > > extra nice if nice most of the time, more aggressive if that is > the > > normal character etc. > > > > > > Jo > > > - > > > fraggle > > > > > > Thursday, June 02, 2005 6:05 PM > > > Re: From the BBC website > > > > > > > > > am i not nice most of the time?? > > > ok..now..put 2 and 2 together... > > > wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee > > > > > > nuthin like drinkin at work > > > now..if only i could make drinkin my job.... > > > > > > > > > > > > Jo Cwazy > > > Jun 2, 2005 12:29 PM > > > > > > Re: From the BBC website > > > > > > > > > LOL - it sounds like you are extra nice when drunk. > > > > > > BB > > > Jo > > > > > > you can do it cheaper with alcohol.......... > > > > > > > > > > > > heartwerk > > > Jun 1, 2005 11:32 PM > > > > > > From the BBC website > > > > > > Scientists create 'trust potion' > > > > > > The study looked at monetary exchanges > > > A key hormone helps determine whether we will trust lovers, > > friends > > > or business contacts, scientists claim. > > > Exposure to an oxytocin " potion " led people to be more > > trusting, > > > tests by University of Zurich researchers found. > > > > > > They say in Nature the finding could help people with > > conditions such > > > as autism, where relating to others can be a problem. > > > > > > But one expert warned it could be misused by politicians who > > want to > > > persuade more people to back them. > > > > > > Some may worry about the prospect that political operators > > will > > > generousl y spray the crowd with oxytocin at rallies of th > eir > > > candidates > > > > > > Dr Antonio Damasio, University of Iowa College of Medicine > > > > > > Oxytocin is a molecule produced naturally in the > hypothalamus > > area of > > > the brain which regulates a variety of physiological > > processes, > > > including emotion. > > > > > > It also acts on other brain regions whose function is > > associated with > > > emotional and social behaviours, such as the amygdala. > > > > > > And animal studies have shown oxytocin is linked to bonding > > between > > > males and females and mother infant bonding. > > > > > > Reaping rewards > > > > > > The Swiss team suspected the same effect may occur in humans > > and > > > invited 58 people to take part in a " trust test " . > > > > > > The participants in the study played a game, in which they > > were split > > > into " investors " and " trustees " . The investors were then > given > > > credits and told they could chose whether to hand over zero, > > four, > > > eight or 12 credits to their assigned trustee. > > > < BR>If the investor showed trust, the total amount which > > could be > > > distributed between the two increased, but the trustee > > initially > > > reaped all the reward. > > > > > > It was then up to them to decide if they would honour the > > investor's > > > trust by sharing the profit equally - or if they would keep > > the lot. > > > > > > At the end of the game, the credits were translated into > real > > money, > > > meaning both participants had a selfish financial incentive. > > > > > > Investors and trustees were either given oxytocin via a > nasal > > spray, > > > or a dummy, or placebo, version. > > > > > > Of 29 investors who were given oxytocin, 13 (45%) > > displayed " maximal > > > trust " by choosing to invest highly, compared to six (21%) > of > > the 29 > > > investors who were given the dummy spray. > > > > > > Oxytocin did not change the behaviour of trustees. > > > > > > In addition, when trustees were replaced by a computer, the > > oxytocin > > > effect was no longer seen on the investors. > > > > > > 'Abuses' > > > > > > The researchers, led by Dr Ernest Fehr, say this suggests > the > > > chemical promotes social interaction, rather than simply > > encouraging > > > people to take risks. > > > > > > And they say it appears to over-ride obstacles such as the > > fear of > > > being betrayed. > > > > > > Writing in Nature, the team say: " Oxytoxin does not increase > > the > > > general inclination to behave prosaically. Rather, oxytocin > > > specifically affects the trusting behaviour of investors. " > > > > > > They suggest this is because people in the position > > of " investors " > > > have to take the first step. > > > > > > The scientists say their findings could potentially be used > to > > help > > > people with conditions such as social phobia and autism > which > > can be > > > linked to persistent fear and avoiding social situations. > > > > > > " Our results might lead to fertile research on the role of > > oxytocin > > > in several mental health disorders with major public health > > > significance. " > > > > > > In the same journal, Dr Antonio Damasio of the Department of > > > Neurology at the University of Iowa College of M edicine, > said > > some > > > may fear the findings could be used by those trying to gain > > people's > > > trust. > > > > > > " Some may worry about the prospect that political operators > > will > > > generously spray the crowd with oxytocin at rallies of their > > > candidates. > > > > > > " The scenario may be rather too close to reality for > comfort, > > but > > > those with such fears should note that current marketing > > techniques - > > > for political and other products - may well exert their > > effects > > > through the natural release of molecules such as oxytocin in > > response > > > to well-crafted stimuli. > > > > > > " Civic alarm at such abuses should have started long before > > this > > > study. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To send an email to - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------- > -- > > --------- > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2005 Report Share Posted June 4, 2005 Concerts at the casinos aren't too terribly expensive. Lots of art going on (Maskibition, etc.), peddler's fairs, pow wows. Plus reading, painting, knitting, crocheting, cooking, sewing, gardening, basket weaving, doing volunteer work (paralegal for homeless, helping the elderly, raising funds for libraries, etc.), 4-H with the kidlets, traveling to "points of interest," and I'm going to take up quilting. Youngest wants a Merlin quilt for her bed. Oh, and did I mention reading <g> Lynda - fraggle Saturday, June 04, 2005 5:36 PM Re: Re: From the BBC website hmmmm never heards of em then again, my focus on music is sorta..umm..focused and limited slims is expensive, full of wannabe rockstars and prententious scenesters...imo glad you seem to have had a good time tho! where do you all like to go to entertain yerselves? be it live music, dancing, movies, plays, knitting conventions, wotever.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2005 Report Share Posted June 5, 2005 oh god, I don't think it was a pickup line (after all, we did establish I'm just one year younger than his mom). It was just a funny question - not one that comes up much in my life. nancy , " Jo Cwazy " <heartwork@c...> wrote: > Was it a pick up line or a genuine question asked out of interest? > > Jo > > - > " njdoane " <njdoane> > > Saturday, June 04, 2005 4:33 PM > Re: From the BBC website > > > > The other night I spent 4 hours in a club (Slim's for the bay area > > folks). My daughter was there for a concert - (she's too young to > > drive and it's not a place I would just drop her off). So there I > > was - easily the oldest person in the room (I'm 41) and it was > > fascinating watching the way behaviors changed as people became > > intoxicated. A lot of very free spirits emerged ;-) And I was also > > asked a question I haven't heard in years - " what year did you > > graduate? " - this from a 20 year old young man. I told him " before > > you were born son " > > > > nancy > > , " nikki_mackovitch " > > <nikkimack@m...> wrote: > > > My best friend use to always say that when you drink you tend to > > do > > > the things you are not brave enough to do when you are sober. > > > > > > Nikki > > > > > > , " Jo Cwazy " <heartwork@c...> > > wrote: > > > > You are. I think being drunk intensifies a person's character - > > > extra nice if nice most of the time, more aggressive if that is > > the > > > normal character etc. > > > > > > > > Jo > > > > - > > > > fraggle > > > > > > > > Thursday, June 02, 2005 6:05 PM > > > > Re: From the BBC website > > > > > > > > > > > > am i not nice most of the time?? > > > > ok..now..put 2 and 2 together... > > > > wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee > > > > > > > > nuthin like drinkin at work > > > > now..if only i could make drinkin my job.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jo Cwazy > > > > Jun 2, 2005 12:29 PM > > > > > > > > Re: From the BBC website > > > > > > > > > > > > LOL - it sounds like you are extra nice when drunk. > > > > > > > > BB > > > > Jo > > > > > > > > you can do it cheaper with alcohol.......... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > heartwerk > > > > Jun 1, 2005 11:32 PM > > > > > > > > From the BBC website > > > > > > > > Scientists create 'trust potion' > > > > > > > > The study looked at monetary exchanges > > > > A key hormone helps determine whether we will trust lovers, > > > friends > > > > or business contacts, scientists claim. > > > > Exposure to an oxytocin " potion " led people to be more > > > trusting, > > > > tests by University of Zurich researchers found. > > > > > > > > They say in Nature the finding could help people with > > > conditions such > > > > as autism, where relating to others can be a problem. > > > > > > > > But one expert warned it could be misused by politicians who > > > want to > > > > persuade more people to back them. > > > > > > > > Some may worry about the prospect that political operators > > > will > > > > generousl y spray the crowd with oxytocin at rallies of th > > eir > > > > candidates > > > > > > > > Dr Antonio Damasio, University of Iowa College of Medicine > > > > > > > > Oxytocin is a molecule produced naturally in the > > hypothalamus > > > area of > > > > the brain which regulates a variety of physiological > > > processes, > > > > including emotion. > > > > > > > > It also acts on other brain regions whose function is > > > associated with > > > > emotional and social behaviours, such as the amygdala. > > > > > > > > And animal studies have shown oxytocin is linked to bonding > > > between > > > > males and females and mother infant bonding. > > > > > > > > Reaping rewards > > > > > > > > The Swiss team suspected the same effect may occur in humans > > > and > > > > invited 58 people to take part in a " trust test " . > > > > > > > > The participants in the study played a game, in which they > > > were split > > > > into " investors " and " trustees " . The investors were then > > given > > > > credits and told they could chose whether to hand over zero, > > > four, > > > > eight or 12 credits to their assigned trustee. > > > > < BR>If the investor showed trust, the total amount which > > > could be > > > > distributed between the two increased, but the trustee > > > initially > > > > reaped all the reward. > > > > > > > > It was then up to them to decide if they would honour the > > > investor's > > > > trust by sharing the profit equally - or if they would keep > > > the lot. > > > > > > > > At the end of the game, the credits were translated into > > real > > > money, > > > > meaning both participants had a selfish financial incentive. > > > > > > > > Investors and trustees were either given oxytocin via a > > nasal > > > spray, > > > > or a dummy, or placebo, version. > > > > > > > > Of 29 investors who were given oxytocin, 13 (45%) > > > displayed " maximal > > > > trust " by choosing to invest highly, compared to six (21%) > > of > > > the 29 > > > > investors who were given the dummy spray. > > > > > > > > Oxytocin did not change the behaviour of trustees. > > > > > > > > In addition, when trustees were replaced by a computer, the > > > oxytocin > > > > effect was no longer seen on the investors. > > > > > > > > 'Abuses' > > > > > > > > The researchers, led by Dr Ernest Fehr, say this suggests > > the > > > > chemical promotes social interaction, rather than simply > > > encouraging > > > > people to take risks. > > > > > > > > And they say it appears to over-ride obstacles such as the > > > fear of > > > > being betrayed. > > > > > > > > Writing in Nature, the team say: " Oxytoxin does not increase > > > the > > > > general inclination to behave prosaically. Rather, oxytocin > > > > specifically affects the trusting behaviour of investors. " > > > > > > > > They suggest this is because people in the position > > > of " investors " > > > > have to take the first step. > > > > > > > > The scientists say their findings could potentially be used > > to > > > help > > > > people with conditions such as social phobia and autism > > which > > > can be > > > > linked to persistent fear and avoiding social situations. > > > > > > > > " Our results might lead to fertile research on the role of > > > oxytocin > > > > in several mental health disorders with major public health > > > > significance. " > > > > > > > > In the same journal, Dr Antonio Damasio of the Department of > > > > Neurology at the University of Iowa College of M edicine, > > said > > > some > > > > may fear the findings could be used by those trying to gain > > > people's > > > > trust. > > > > > > > > " Some may worry about the prospect that political operators > > > will > > > > generously spray the crowd with oxytocin at rallies of their > > > > candidates. > > > > > > > > " The scenario may be rather too close to reality for > > comfort, > > > but > > > > those with such fears should note that current marketing > > > techniques - > > > > for political and other products - may well exert their > > > effects > > > > through the natural release of molecules such as oxytocin in > > > response > > > > to well-crafted stimuli. > > > > > > > > " Civic alarm at such abuses should have started long before > > > this > > > > study. 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Guest guest Posted June 5, 2005 Report Share Posted June 5, 2005 It is amazing how different your life sounds from mine. My front door opens on to the street and across the narrow street is a hotel and night club. I dont have a blade of grass to my name (lots of indoor plants)and no kids remaining to cater for (grandson when the parents can spare him). Most days I do not even leave the house and when I do it is for business or shopping. Your life sounds far more varied. As to concerts, I did go to Dublin last week to see Bruce Springsteen but the best concerts are in Dublin which is an overnighter so you would have to realy like someone to make the trip worthwhile. Mary , " Lynda " <lurine@s...> wrote: > Concerts at the casinos aren't too terribly expensive. Lots of art going on (Maskibition, etc.), peddler's fairs, pow wows. Plus reading, painting, knitting, crocheting, cooking, sewing, gardening, basket weaving, doing volunteer work (paralegal for homeless, helping the elderly, raising funds for libraries, etc.), 4-H with the kidlets, traveling to " points of interest, " and I'm going to take up quilting. Youngest wants a Merlin quilt for her bed. Oh, and did I mention reading <g> > > Lynda > - > fraggle > > Saturday, June 04, 2005 5:36 PM > Re: Re: From the BBC website > > > hmmmm > never heards of em > then again, my focus on music is sorta..umm..focused and limited > slims is expensive, full of wannabe rockstars and prententious scenesters...imo > glad you seem to have had a good time tho! > > where do you all like to go to entertain yerselves? > be it live music, dancing, movies, plays, knitting conventions, wotever.... > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2005 Report Share Posted June 5, 2005 Our goal, until we rescued the two dogs, was to travel again to the U.K. DH's mother's family (McPhail) is from Scotland and the ex's mother's family is from Ireland (O'Halloran). The last time I was there was as a mere kidlet when we went to Lady Wentworth's stables to see the daddy of one of our Arab horses. I love learning about how folks live in different parts of the world. Lynda - Mary Minihane <minih Sunday, June 05, 2005 2:40 PM Re: From the BBC website > It is amazing how different your life sounds from mine. My front > door opens on to the street and across the narrow street is a hotel > and night club. I dont have a blade of grass to my name (lots of > indoor plants)and no kids remaining to cater for (grandson when the > parents can spare him). Most days I do not even leave the house and > when I do it is for business or shopping. Your life sounds far more > varied. As to concerts, I did go to Dublin last week to see Bruce > Springsteen but the best concerts are in Dublin which is an > overnighter so you would have to realy like someone to make the trip > worthwhile. > Mary > > , " Lynda " <lurine@s...> wrote: > > Concerts at the casinos aren't too terribly expensive. Lots of > art going on (Maskibition, etc.), peddler's fairs, pow wows. Plus > reading, painting, knitting, crocheting, cooking, sewing, gardening, > basket weaving, doing volunteer work (paralegal for homeless, > helping the elderly, raising funds for libraries, etc.), 4-H with > the kidlets, traveling to " points of interest, " and I'm going to > take up quilting. Youngest wants a Merlin quilt for her bed. Oh, > and did I mention reading <g> > > > > Lynda > > - > > fraggle > > > > Saturday, June 04, 2005 5:36 PM > > Re: Re: From the BBC website > > > > > > hmmmm > > never heards of em > > then again, my focus on music is sorta..umm..focused and > limited > > slims is expensive, full of wannabe rockstars and prententious > scenesters...imo > > glad you seem to have had a good time tho! > > > > where do you all like to go to entertain yerselves? > > be it live music, dancing, movies, plays, knitting > conventions, wotever.... > > To send an email to - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2005 Report Share Posted June 6, 2005 opera, art history, physics, astronomy, gardening, climbing trees, heights, animals, spiders, snakes, biographys, old hollywood, foreign films,dancing. , " Jo Cwazy " <heartwork@c...> wrote: > Metal concerts, Pagan pub moots and get togethers, gardening, walking, reading, knitting. > >>> where do you all like to go to entertain yerselves? > be it live music, dancing, movies, plays, knitting conventions, wotever.... > > > > > njdoane > Jun 4, 2005 9:31 AM > > Re: From the BBC website > > , fraggle <EBbrewpunx@e...> wrote: > > never been a fan of slims > >but at least it ain't far from BARToff topic fer everyone > >else..but...wot show? > > yes, off topic - my apologies! > the headliner was Finch - preceded by screaming bands #1,2 and 3. > > I like Slims - easy to get to and from and when you have kids who like > to listen to live music - it's cheap! Plus easy to get CDs signed, etc > > > > To send an email to - > > > > > -- ---------- > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2005 Report Share Posted June 6, 2005 Hi Anouk I quite like reading biographies as well. I'm currently reading one on Benn. JO > opera, art history, physics, astronomy, gardening, climbing trees, > heights, animals, spiders, snakes, biographys, old hollywood, foreign > films,dancing. > > > , " Jo Cwazy " <heartwork@c...> wrote: > > Metal concerts, Pagan pub moots and get togethers, gardening, > walking, reading, knitting. > > > >>> where do you all like to go to entertain yerselves? > > be it live music, dancing, movies, plays, knitting conventions, > wotever.... > > > > > > > > > > njdoane > > Jun 4, 2005 9:31 AM > > > > Re: From the BBC website > > > > , fraggle <EBbrewpunx@e...> > wrote: > > > never been a fan of slims > > >but at least it ain't far from BARToff topic fer everyone > > >else..but...wot show? > > > > yes, off topic - my apologies! > > the headliner was Finch - preceded by screaming bands #1,2 and 3. > > > > I like Slims - easy to get to and from and when you have kids who > like > > to listen to live music - it's cheap! Plus easy to get CDs > signed, etc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To send an email to - > > > > > > > > > > > -- > ---------- > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2005 Report Share Posted June 7, 2005 HaHaHa! OK, you got me. Funny! , fraggle <EBbrewpunx@e...> wrote: > you can do it cheaper with alcohol.......... heartwerk Jun 1, 2005 11:32 PM From the BBC website Scientists create 'trust potion' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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