Guest guest Posted July 2, 2005 Report Share Posted July 2, 2005 I've been a member for a little while... thought I share a bit and see if anyone else here shares some of my interests... ( or obsessions as my family sees them).. I've only recently switched to vegan/vegge....... I'm not eating meats, eggs or dairy products (the last 2 because of hormones/ & cholesterol) ..... but I do eat seafood occasionally....I still haven't really learned to cook with tofu all that well yet.. ... but really like soy milk alot better than regular 2%..... I'm a graphic designer... and I have lots of pets.... I now have 2 cats.. was a pet rat breeder for several years.... started rescueing/ fostering small pets early last year so have owned or do own all of these ( gerbils, dwarf hamsters, syrian hamsters, fancy rats, chinchillas, bunnies, guinea pigs, & a ferret).... I did tons of research on how to mix my own feeds for my ratties... also double check labels for all my pets to make sure they aren't getting dangerous preservatives or crud in their food... been doing this for several years before I finally saw a candy bar I was eating had the same preservative I've been keeping my cats & rats from eating.... so started doing some research for myself finally and decided to stop eating meat/ etc... and reading the horrendous labels on everything............... =) I recently adopted 3 more chinchillas.. plan to start breeding those instead of fancy rats. Still think ratties are better pets, but their limited lifespan & limited adoptions ...... chinnies are sweet too... and can live up to 20 years.... That's about it... except here's pictures of my pets/rescues & my website http://community.webshots.com/nhrattery www.geocities.com/nhrattery Lauren Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2005 Report Share Posted July 2, 2005 Hi Lauren Welcome to unlurking. I hope you are enjoying it here. I must ask that you don't call yourself vegetarian until you actually are. Fish are animals not vegetables. When people who eat fish call themselves vegetarian it confuses people, and then real vegetarians find it difficult to get a proper vegetarian dish in restaurants, and are offered fish, because ' that is what vegetarians eat!'. Jo - " nhrattery " <nhrattery Saturday, July 02, 2005 3:16 AM Hi all.... > I've been a member for a little while... thought I share a bit and see if anyone > else here shares some of my interests... ( or obsessions as my family sees > them).. > > I've only recently switched to vegan/vegge....... I'm not eating meats, eggs or > dairy products (the last 2 because of hormones/ & cholesterol) ..... but I do eat > seafood occasionally....I still haven't really learned to cook with tofu all that > well yet.. ... but really like soy milk alot better than regular 2%..... > > I'm a graphic designer... and I have lots of pets.... I now have 2 cats.. was a > pet rat breeder for several years.... started rescueing/ fostering small pets > early last year so have owned or do own all of these ( gerbils, dwarf hamsters, > syrian hamsters, fancy rats, chinchillas, bunnies, guinea pigs, & a ferret).... > I did tons of research on how to mix my own feeds for my ratties... also double > check labels for all my pets to make sure they aren't getting dangerous > preservatives or crud in their food... been doing this for several years before I > finally saw a candy bar I was eating had the same preservative I've been > keeping my cats & rats from eating.... so started doing some research for > myself finally and decided to stop eating meat/ etc... and reading the > horrendous labels on everything............... =) > > I recently adopted 3 more chinchillas.. plan to start breeding those instead of > fancy rats. Still think ratties are better pets, but their limited lifespan & limited > adoptions ...... chinnies are sweet too... and can live up to 20 years.... > > That's about it... except here's pictures of my pets/rescues & my website > > http://community.webshots.com/nhrattery > www.geocities.com/nhrattery > > Lauren To send an email to - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2005 Report Share Posted July 2, 2005 Yes and breeding domesticated " pets " won't be a popular position with many vegans here either. Sounds like you are mainly dietary concerned if you avoid ovo-lacto for health reasons, eat seafood (as an apart, " vegetarian-friendly " choice), breeding " pets " etc rather than adopting companion animals from rescue shelters and neuterings to reduce further suffering and unwanted non-human animals (Just look at the PETA euthanasia-related media storm right now). If there is an ethical element to your beliefs and thoughts I'd suggest reading up on and researching the above areas in depth and then acting accordingly. , " Jo Cwazy " <heartwork@c...> wrote: > Hi Lauren > > Welcome to unlurking. I hope you are enjoying it here. > > I must ask that you don't call yourself vegetarian until you actually are. > Fish are animals not vegetables. When people who eat fish call themselves > vegetarian it confuses people, and then real vegetarians find it difficult > to get a proper vegetarian dish in restaurants, and are offered fish, > because ' that is what vegetarians eat!'. > > Jo > > - > " nhrattery " <nhrattery> > > Saturday, July 02, 2005 3:16 AM > Hi all.... > > > > I've been a member for a little while... thought I share a bit and see if > anyone > > else here shares some of my interests... ( or obsessions as my family sees > > them).. > > > > I've only recently switched to vegan/vegge....... I'm not eating meats, > eggs or > > dairy products (the last 2 because of hormones/ & cholesterol) ..... but I > do eat > > seafood occasionally....I still haven't really learned to cook with tofu > all that > > well yet.. ... but really like soy milk alot better than regular 2%..... > > > > I'm a graphic designer... and I have lots of pets.... I now have 2 cats.. > was a > > pet rat breeder for several years.... started rescueing/ fostering small > pets > > early last year so have owned or do own all of these ( gerbils, dwarf > hamsters, > > syrian hamsters, fancy rats, chinchillas, bunnies, guinea pigs, & a > ferret).... > > I did tons of research on how to mix my own feeds for my ratties... also > double > > check labels for all my pets to make sure they aren't getting dangerous > > preservatives or crud in their food... been doing this for several years > before I > > finally saw a candy bar I was eating had the same preservative I've been > > keeping my cats & rats from eating.... so started doing some research for > > myself finally and decided to stop eating meat/ etc... and reading the > > horrendous labels on everything............... =) > > > > I recently adopted 3 more chinchillas.. plan to start breeding those > instead of > > fancy rats. Still think ratties are better pets, but their limited > lifespan & limited > > adoptions ...... chinnies are sweet too... and can live up to 20 years.... > > > > That's about it... except here's pictures of my pets/rescues & my > website > > > > http://community.webshots.com/nhrattery > > www.geocities.com/nhrattery > > > > Lauren > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To send an email to - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2005 Report Share Posted July 2, 2005 Hi Lauren Welcome to the group... > I've only recently switched to vegan/vegge....... I'm not eating meats, eggs or > dairy products (the last 2 because of hormones/ & cholesterol) ..... but I do eat > seafood occasionally.... So, in what way have you become vegan or vegetarian? Fish aren't vegetables! BB Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2005 Report Share Posted July 2, 2005 Hiya Lauren, From whence do you hail? Tofu is very bland on its own, but can be used in a variety of ways. If you want chunks for stir fry etc., make sure that you squeeze all the water out of it first, then when dry, cut into inch cubes and marinate in the flavouting of your choice first. Then fry on its own until golden brown and add to your stir fry. It can also be used in soups if blended with a little soup to make liquid then added to the main body of soup, makes it nice and creamy ( good with raosted butternut squash soup. Hope you give up eating marine creatures soon. Personally ( my opinion only ) I think there are enough fury friends without homes who would love a loving home without people breeding them. I would prefer people to rescue them rather than intentionally breed them. ( I have 2 rescued cats myself ) All The Best, The Valley Vegan.........nhrattery <nhrattery wrote: I've been a member for a little while... thought I share a bit and see if anyone else here shares some of my interests... ( or obsessions as my family sees them)..I've only recently switched to vegan/vegge....... I'm not eating meats, eggs or dairy products (the last 2 because of hormones/ & cholesterol) ..... but I do eat seafood occasionally....I still haven't really learned to cook with tofu all that well yet.. ... but really like soy milk alot better than regular 2%.....I'm a graphic designer... and I have lots of pets.... I now have 2 cats.. was a pet rat breeder for several years.... started rescueing/ fostering small pets early last year so have owned or do own all of these ( gerbils, dwarf hamsters, syrian hamsters, fancy rats, chinchillas, bunnies, guinea pigs, & a ferret)....I did tons of research on how to mix my own feeds for my ratties... also double check labels for all my pets to make sure they aren't getting dangerous preservatives or crud in their food... been doing this for several years before I finally saw a candy bar I was eating had the same preservative I've been keeping my cats & rats from eating.... so started doing some research for myself finally and decided to stop eating meat/ etc... and reading the horrendous labels on everything............... =)I recently adopted 3 more chinchillas.. plan to start breeding those instead of fancy rats. Still think ratties are better pets, but their limited lifespan & limited adoptions ...... chinnies are sweet too... and can live up to 20 years....That's about it... except here's pictures of my pets/rescues & my websitehttp://community.webshots.com/nhratterywww.geocities.com/nhratteryLaurenTo send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2005 Report Share Posted July 5, 2005 Hi I 'hail " from the great ( chokes ) state of Texas( the greatest source of rednecks & chemical plants in the world I'd wager... I wonder if there's any relation between the 2 ?? LOL ) Thanks for the suggestions... I've made spinach soup with 'soft " tofu blended in that turned out pretty good...I haven't been brave enough to " stir " fry any yet.. have 2 packages of " firm " tofu in the fridge though.... my only other " braggable " cooking success was fried wontons filled with yellow squash, zuchini, portebello mushrooms & spagetti sauce) ......will have to try butternut squash one day... my aunt always put tons of sage in it and I can't stand sage in anything ( cornbread dressing, hush puppies, etc..) so don't know whether I even like butternut squash or not.... but there's a recipe in the book I just bought for grilled butternut squash too.. =) Also glad to hear you adopted rescue pets (any pics?).... my opinions about breeding though are in another reply on this thread... Lauren Nearheart Rattery & Rescue www.geocities.com/nhhrattery , peter hurd <swpgh01@t...> wrote: > Hiya Lauren, > From whence do you hail? > Tofu is very bland on its own, but can be used in a variety of ways. If you want chunks for stir fry etc., make sure that you squeeze all the water out of it first, then when dry, cut into inch cubes and marinate in the flavouting of your choice first. Then fry on its own until golden brown and add to your stir fry. > It can also be used in soups if blended with a little soup to make liquid then added to the main body of soup, makes it nice and creamy ( good with raosted butternut squash soup. > Hope you give up eating marine creatures soon. > Personally ( my opinion only ) I think there are enough fury friends without homes who would love a loving home without people breeding them. I would prefer people to rescue them rather than intentionally breed them. ( I have 2 rescued cats myself ) > > All The Best, > The Valley Vegan......... > > nhrattery <nhrattery> wrote: > I've been a member for a little while... thought I share a bit and see if anyone > else here shares some of my interests... ( or obsessions as my family sees > them).. > > I've only recently switched to vegan/vegge....... I'm not eating meats, eggs or > dairy products (the last 2 because of hormones/ & cholesterol) ..... but I do eat > seafood occasionally....I still haven't really learned to cook with tofu all that > well yet.. ... but really like soy milk alot better than regular 2%..... > > I'm a graphic designer... and I have lots of pets.... I now have 2 cats.. was a > pet rat breeder for several years.... started rescueing/ fostering small pets > early last year so have owned or do own all of these ( gerbils, dwarf hamsters, > syrian hamsters, fancy rats, chinchillas, bunnies, guinea pigs, & a ferret).... > I did tons of research on how to mix my own feeds for my ratties... also double > check labels for all my pets to make sure they aren't getting dangerous > preservatives or crud in their food... been doing this for several years before I > finally saw a candy bar I was eating had the same preservative I've been > keeping my cats & rats from eating.... so started doing some research for > myself finally and decided to stop eating meat/ etc... and reading the > horrendous labels on everything............... =) > > I recently adopted 3 more chinchillas.. plan to start breeding those instead of > fancy rats. Still think ratties are better pets, but their limited lifespan & limited > adoptions ...... chinnies are sweet too... and can live up to 20 years.... > > That's about it... except here's pictures of my pets/rescues & my website > > http://community.webshots.com/nhrattery > www.geocities.com/nhrattery > > Lauren To send an email to - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2005 Report Share Posted July 7, 2005 I wrote a several page reply to this... I'm really perplexed as to what groups did with it.... to make a long story short... I rescue pets! I did breed fancy rats for several years... If they were not adopted as pets, they stay with me. I'm not breeding them anymore for various reasons ( few adopted, short lifespan...I'm planning on moving, etc).. but I'm breeding chinchillas though. I have 2 pairs and that's it.... Shelters do not generally keep " small " pets as I own ( or am owned by, rather)... when they are surrendered to an area shelter, a volunteer or worker usually contacts someone to foster them.. ( me or one of my friends!) That's where everything else came from. I already own 2 cats, which were strays... the male is nuetered and is up to date on shots... the little girl kitten will be fixed & such when she is old enough. I haven't been in a position to own dogs for over 10 yrs so can't " rescue " them... Lauren , " essence_uk_2000 " <Essence_uk@h...> wrote: > Yes and breeding domesticated " pets " won't be a popular position > with many vegans here either. Sounds like you are mainly dietary > concerned if you avoid ovo-lacto for health reasons, eat seafood (as > an apart, " vegetarian-friendly " choice), breeding " pets " etc rather > than adopting companion animals from rescue shelters and neuterings > to reduce further suffering and unwanted non-human animals (Just > look at the PETA euthanasia-related media storm right now). > > If there is an ethical element to your beliefs and thoughts I'd > suggest reading up on and researching the above areas in depth and > then acting accordingly. > > , " Jo Cwazy " <heartwork@c...> wrote: > > Hi Lauren > > > > Welcome to unlurking. I hope you are enjoying it here. > > > > I must ask that you don't call yourself vegetarian until you > actually are. > > Fish are animals not vegetables. When people who eat fish call > themselves > > vegetarian it confuses people, and then real vegetarians find it > difficult > > to get a proper vegetarian dish in restaurants, and are offered > fish, > > because ' that is what vegetarians eat!'. > > > > Jo > > > > - > > " nhrattery " <nhrattery> > > > > Saturday, July 02, 2005 3:16 AM > > Hi all.... > > > > > > > I've been a member for a little while... thought I share a bit > and see if > > anyone > > > else here shares some of my interests... ( or obsessions as my > family sees > > > them).. > > > > > > I've only recently switched to vegan/vegge....... I'm not > eating meats, > > eggs or > > > dairy products (the last 2 because of hormones/ & > cholesterol) ..... but I > > do eat > > > seafood occasionally....I still haven't really learned to cook > with tofu > > all that > > > well yet.. ... but really like soy milk alot better than > regular 2%..... > > > > > > I'm a graphic designer... and I have lots of pets.... I now > have 2 cats.. > > was a > > > pet rat breeder for several years.... started rescueing/ > fostering small > > pets > > > early last year so have owned or do own all of these ( gerbils, > dwarf > > hamsters, > > > syrian hamsters, fancy rats, chinchillas, bunnies, guinea pigs, > & a > > ferret).... > > > I did tons of research on how to mix my own feeds for my > ratties... also > > double > > > check labels for all my pets to make sure they aren't getting > dangerous > > > preservatives or crud in their food... been doing this for > several years > > before I > > > finally saw a candy bar I was eating had the same preservative > I've been > > > keeping my cats & rats from eating.... so started doing some > research for > > > myself finally and decided to stop eating meat/ etc... and > reading the > > > horrendous labels on everything............... =) > > > > > > I recently adopted 3 more chinchillas.. plan to start breeding > those > > instead of > > > fancy rats. Still think ratties are better pets, but their > limited > > lifespan & limited > > > adoptions ...... chinnies are sweet too... and can live up to 20 > years.... > > > > > > That's about it... except here's pictures of my pets/rescues & > my > > website > > > > > > http://community.webshots.com/nhrattery > > > www.geocities.com/nhrattery > > > > > > Lauren > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To send an email to - > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2005 Report Share Posted July 7, 2005 I have a real problem with breeding a fur animal whether or not you call it a pet. For one thing, they don't make good pets. They are high maintenance and are inclined to bite. *Most* folks who get them aren't the least bit prepared to care for them. They just think they are cut little fur balls and then wake up one morning to discover that they take a lot of care. Then what do they do with them. One of three things, turn them loose, take them to a shelter which will usually turn them away and frequently will give them the number of a breeder and not a pet type breeder either and then the third choice, give them to a fur breeder. The rational to the person who bought the chin as a pet is that it won't be fur, it will be a breeder and that's o.k., isn't it. Sorry, don't agree with breeding those types of animals at all. Lynda - nhrattery <nhrattery Wednesday, July 06, 2005 7:43 PM Re: Hi all.... > I wrote a several page reply to this... I'm really perplexed as to what > groups did with it.... to make a long story short... I rescue pets! > I did breed fancy rats for several years... If they were not adopted as pets, they > stay with me. I'm not breeding them anymore for various reasons ( few > adopted, short lifespan...I'm planning on moving, etc).. but I'm breeding > chinchillas though. I have 2 pairs and that's it.... Shelters do not generally > keep " small " pets as I own ( or am owned by, rather)... when they are > surrendered to an area shelter, a volunteer or worker usually contacts > someone to foster them.. ( me or one of my friends!) That's where everything > else came from. > I already own 2 cats, which were strays... the male is nuetered and is up to > date on shots... the little girl kitten will be fixed & such when she is old enough. > I haven't been in a position to own dogs for over 10 yrs so can't " rescue " > them... > > Lauren > > > , " essence_uk_2000 " > <Essence_uk@h...> wrote: > > Yes and breeding domesticated " pets " won't be a popular position > > with many vegans here either. Sounds like you are mainly dietary > > concerned if you avoid ovo-lacto for health reasons, eat seafood (as > > an apart, " vegetarian-friendly " choice), breeding " pets " etc rather > > than adopting companion animals from rescue shelters and neuterings > > to reduce further suffering and unwanted non-human animals (Just > > look at the PETA euthanasia-related media storm right now). > > > > If there is an ethical element to your beliefs and thoughts I'd > > suggest reading up on and researching the above areas in depth and > > then acting accordingly. > > > > , " Jo Cwazy " <heartwork@c...> wrote: > > > Hi Lauren > > > > > > Welcome to unlurking. I hope you are enjoying it here. > > > > > > I must ask that you don't call yourself vegetarian until you > > actually are. > > > Fish are animals not vegetables. When people who eat fish call > > themselves > > > vegetarian it confuses people, and then real vegetarians find it > > difficult > > > to get a proper vegetarian dish in restaurants, and are offered > > fish, > > > because ' that is what vegetarians eat!'. > > > > > > Jo > > > > > > - > > > " nhrattery " <nhrattery> > > > > > > Saturday, July 02, 2005 3:16 AM > > > Hi all.... > > > > > > > > > > I've been a member for a little while... thought I share a bit > > and see if > > > anyone > > > > else here shares some of my interests... ( or obsessions as my > > family sees > > > > them).. > > > > > > > > I've only recently switched to vegan/vegge....... I'm not > > eating meats, > > > eggs or > > > > dairy products (the last 2 because of hormones/ & > > cholesterol) ..... but I > > > do eat > > > > seafood occasionally....I still haven't really learned to cook > > with tofu > > > all that > > > > well yet.. ... but really like soy milk alot better than > > regular 2%..... > > > > > > > > I'm a graphic designer... and I have lots of pets.... I now > > have 2 cats.. > > > was a > > > > pet rat breeder for several years.... started rescueing/ > > fostering small > > > pets > > > > early last year so have owned or do own all of these ( gerbils, > > dwarf > > > hamsters, > > > > syrian hamsters, fancy rats, chinchillas, bunnies, guinea pigs, > > & a > > > ferret).... > > > > I did tons of research on how to mix my own feeds for my > > ratties... also > > > double > > > > check labels for all my pets to make sure they aren't getting > > dangerous > > > > preservatives or crud in their food... been doing this for > > several years > > > before I > > > > finally saw a candy bar I was eating had the same preservative > > I've been > > > > keeping my cats & rats from eating.... so started doing some > > research for > > > > myself finally and decided to stop eating meat/ etc... and > > reading the > > > > horrendous labels on everything............... =) > > > > > > > > I recently adopted 3 more chinchillas.. plan to start breeding > > those > > > instead of > > > > fancy rats. Still think ratties are better pets, but their > > limited > > > lifespan & limited > > > > adoptions ...... chinnies are sweet too... and can live up to 20 > > years.... > > > > > > > > That's about it... except here's pictures of my pets/rescues & > > my > > > website > > > > > > > > http://community.webshots.com/nhrattery > > > > www.geocities.com/nhrattery > > > > > > > > Lauren > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To send an email to - > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2005 Report Share Posted July 9, 2005 I'm not breeding a " fur " animal.. I'm breeding sweet, interactive, long lived PETS. Anything with teeth can bite, but anyone who actually researches and/or learns thier own pets personality shouldn't have anything to worry about. Chinchillas are herbivores.. biting is their very last defense... 2 of mine do nibble my thumbnails occasionally.. but only if I forget to scritch behind their ears.. or if I quit scritching before they are ready for me to.. =) I'd like to ask you a few questions..... How can you say what makes a good pet or not? Have you ever owned a chinchilla? Also.. please explain what you mean by high maintenance? Any pet requires attention and care on a daily basis.. chinchillas are no different in this respect from a dog or cat... and my 4 chinchillas are less expensive to care for on a daily basis than my 2 cats. Now, forgive me for being blunt.. but the only merit I see in your opinion is if a person " adopts " a chinchilla from a fur farm.. an unsocialized animal, that would otherwise be used for fur only or breeding more fur. I'm sorry you don't know more about honest, responsible pet breeders. Unlike pet stores I don't just plan to sell my pets to the first buyer...I ask a million questions of every potential adoptee.. and make sure to the best of my knowledge they are properly educated as to how to care for thier pet.. If I don't feel they know this, they don't adopt one from me. If anything happens and they can no longer care for their pet, it can be RETURNED to me. So there is not reason for them to " turn them loose, take them to a shelter " . Lauren , " Lynda " <lurine@s...> wrote: > I have a real problem with breeding a fur animal whether or not you call it > a pet. For one thing, they don't make good pets. They are high maintenance > and are inclined to bite. *Most* folks who get them aren't the least bit > prepared to care for them. They just think they are cut little fur balls > and then wake up one morning to discover that they take a lot of care. > > Then what do they do with them. One of three things, turn them loose, take > them to a shelter which will usually turn them away and frequently will give > them the number of a breeder and not a pet type breeder either and then the > third choice, give them to a fur breeder. The rational to the person who > bought the chin as a pet is that it won't be fur, it will be a breeder and > that's o.k., isn't it. > > Sorry, don't agree with breeding those types of animals at all. > > Lynda > - > nhrattery <nhrattery> > > Wednesday, July 06, 2005 7:43 PM > Re: Hi all.... > > > > I wrote a several page reply to this... I'm really perplexed as to what > > > groups did with it.... to make a long story short... I rescue pets! > > I did breed fancy rats for several years... If they were not adopted as > pets, they > > stay with me. I'm not breeding them anymore for various reasons ( few > > adopted, short lifespan...I'm planning on moving, etc).. but I'm breeding > > chinchillas though. I have 2 pairs and that's it.... Shelters do not > generally > > keep " small " pets as I own ( or am owned by, rather)... when they are > > surrendered to an area shelter, a volunteer or worker usually contacts > > someone to foster them.. ( me or one of my friends!) That's where > everything > > else came from. > > I already own 2 cats, which were strays... the male is nuetered and is up > to > > date on shots... the little girl kitten will be fixed & such when she is > old enough. > > I haven't been in a position to own dogs for over 10 yrs so can't " rescue " > > them... > > > > Lauren > > > > > > , " essence_uk_2000 " > > <Essence_uk@h...> wrote: > > > Yes and breeding domesticated " pets " won't be a popular position > > > with many vegans here either. Sounds like you are mainly dietary > > > concerned if you avoid ovo-lacto for health reasons, eat seafood (as > > > an apart, " vegetarian-friendly " choice), breeding " pets " etc rather > > > than adopting companion animals from rescue shelters and neuterings > > > to reduce further suffering and unwanted non-human animals (Just > > > look at the PETA euthanasia-related media storm right now). > > > > > > If there is an ethical element to your beliefs and thoughts I'd > > > suggest reading up on and researching the above areas in depth and > > > then acting accordingly. > > > > > > , " Jo Cwazy " <heartwork@c...> wrote: > > > > Hi Lauren > > > > > > > > Welcome to unlurking. I hope you are enjoying it here. > > > > > > > > I must ask that you don't call yourself vegetarian until you > > > actually are. > > > > Fish are animals not vegetables. When people who eat fish call > > > themselves > > > > vegetarian it confuses people, and then real vegetarians find it > > > difficult > > > > to get a proper vegetarian dish in restaurants, and are offered > > > fish, > > > > because ' that is what vegetarians eat!'. > > > > > > > > Jo > > > > > > > > - > > > > " nhrattery " <nhrattery> > > > > > > > > Saturday, July 02, 2005 3:16 AM > > > > Hi all.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've been a member for a little while... thought I share a bit > > > and see if > > > > anyone > > > > > else here shares some of my interests... ( or obsessions as my > > > family sees > > > > > them).. > > > > > > > > > > I've only recently switched to vegan/vegge....... I'm not > > > eating meats, > > > > eggs or > > > > > dairy products (the last 2 because of hormones/ & > > > cholesterol) ..... but I > > > > do eat > > > > > seafood occasionally....I still haven't really learned to cook > > > with tofu > > > > all that > > > > > well yet.. ... but really like soy milk alot better than > > > regular 2%..... > > > > > > > > > > I'm a graphic designer... and I have lots of pets.... I now > > > have 2 cats.. > > > > was a > > > > > pet rat breeder for several years.... started rescueing/ > > > fostering small > > > > pets > > > > > early last year so have owned or do own all of these ( gerbils, > > > dwarf > > > > hamsters, > > > > > syrian hamsters, fancy rats, chinchillas, bunnies, guinea pigs, > > > & a > > > > ferret).... > > > > > I did tons of research on how to mix my own feeds for my > > > ratties... also > > > > double > > > > > check labels for all my pets to make sure they aren't getting > > > dangerous > > > > > preservatives or crud in their food... been doing this for > > > several years > > > > before I > > > > > finally saw a candy bar I was eating had the same preservative > > > I've been > > > > > keeping my cats & rats from eating.... so started doing some > > > research for > > > > > myself finally and decided to stop eating meat/ etc... and > > > reading the > > > > > horrendous labels on everything............... =) > > > > > > > > > > I recently adopted 3 more chinchillas.. plan to start breeding > > > those > > > > instead of > > > > > fancy rats. Still think ratties are better pets, but their > > > limited > > > > lifespan & limited > > > > > adoptions ...... chinnies are sweet too... and can live up to 20 > > > years.... > > > > > > > > > > That's about it... except here's pictures of my pets/rescues & > > > my > > > > website > > > > > > > > > > http://community.webshots.com/nhrattery > > > > > www.geocities.com/nhrattery > > > > > > > > > > Lauren > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To send an email to - > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2005 Report Share Posted July 9, 2005 Hi Lauren, No pics of my cats I`m afraid ( nothing digital anyway )......dont own a digital camera, or my own computer, but they are too cute to share anyway! Butternut squash are nice roasted with garlic & cumin, and once roasted you can turn them into anything ( soup/stew/curry/compost).I`m not a big fan of sage either, which is a shame as its so easy to grow! So your from Texas eh? you must be so proud of Mr Bush ( not ) did you hear the story about him falling off his bike ( made me laugh, I can`t believe that it made the news! http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4658327.stm ), so very , very dissapointed with that mans attitude towards the enviroment. The Valley Vegan.........nhrattery <nhrattery wrote: HiI 'hail" from the great ( chokes ) state of Texas( the greatest sourceof rednecks & chemical plants in the world I'd wager... I wonder ifthere's any relation between the 2 ?? LOL )Thanks for the suggestions... I've made spinach soup with 'soft" tofublended in that turned out pretty good...I haven't been brave enoughto "stir" fry any yet.. have 2 packages of "firm" tofu in the fridgethough.... my only other "braggable" cooking success was fried wontonsfilled with yellow squash, zuchini, portebello mushrooms & spagettisauce) ......will have to try butternut squash one day... my auntalways put tons of sage in it and I can't stand sage in anything (cornbread dressing, hush puppies, etc..) so don't know whether I evenlike butternut squash or not.... but there's a recipe in the book Ijust bought for grilled butternut squash too.. =)Also glad to hear you adopted rescue pets (any pics?).... my opinions about breeding though are in another reply on this thread... LaurenNearheart Rattery & Rescuewww.geocities.com/nhhrattery , peter hurd wrote:> Hiya Lauren,> From whence do you hail?> Tofu is very bland on its own, but can be used in a variety of ways.If you want chunks for stir fry etc., make sure that you squeeze allthe water out of it first, then when dry, cut into inch cubes andmarinate in the flavouting of your choice first. Then fry on its ownuntil golden brown and add to your stir fry.> It can also be used in soups if blended with a little soup to makeliquid then added to the main body of soup, makes it nice and creamy (good with raosted butternut squash soup.> Hope you give up eating marine creatures soon.> Personally ( my opinion only ) I think there are enough furyfriends without homes who would love a loving home without peoplebreeding them. I would prefer people to rescue them rather thanintentionally breed them. ( I have 2 rescued cats myself )> > All The Best,> The Valley Vegan.........> > nhrattery wrote:> I've been a member for a little while... thought I share a bit andsee if anyone > else here shares some of my interests... ( or obsessions as myfamily sees > them)..> > I've only recently switched to vegan/vegge....... I'm not eatingmeats, eggs or > dairy products (the last 2 because of hormones/ & cholesterol) .....but I do eat > seafood occasionally....I still haven't really learned to cook withtofu all that > well yet.. ... but really like soy milk alot better than regular 2%.....> > I'm a graphic designer... and I have lots of pets.... I now have 2cats.. was a > pet rat breeder for several years.... started rescueing/ fosteringsmall pets > early last year so have owned or do own all of these ( gerbils,dwarf hamsters, > syrian hamsters, fancy rats, chinchillas, bunnies, guinea pigs, & aferret)....> I did tons of research on how to mix my own feeds for my ratties...also double > check labels for all my pets to make sure they aren't getting dangerous > preservatives or crud in their food... been doing this for severalyears before I > finally saw a candy bar I was eating had the same preservative I'vebeen > keeping my cats & rats from eating.... so started doing someresearch for > myself finally and decided to stop eating meat/ etc... and reading the > horrendous labels on everything............... =)> > I recently adopted 3 more chinchillas.. plan to start breeding thoseinstead of > fancy rats. Still think ratties are better pets, but their limitedlifespan & limited > adoptions ...... chinnies are sweet too... and can live up to 20years....> > That's about it... except here's pictures of my pets/rescues & mywebsite> > http://community.webshots.com/nhrattery> www.geocities.com/nhrattery> > Lauren> > > > > > > To send an email to - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2005 Report Share Posted July 9, 2005 Hi Peter I missed the film of Bush falling off his bike. I hope he apologised to the policeman he hurt. The climate change decisions were very disappointing. Also, the help given to Africa (or should I say 'the toning down of the harm done to Africa) is disappointing too. Jo Hi Lauren, No pics of my cats I`m afraid ( nothing digital anyway )......dont own a digital camera, or my own computer, but they are too cute to share anyway! Butternut squash are nice roasted with garlic & cumin, and once roasted you can turn them into anything ( soup/stew/curry/compost).I`m not a big fan of sage either, which is a shame as its so easy to grow! So your from Texas eh? you must be so proud of Mr Bush ( not ) did you hear the story about him falling off his bike ( made me laugh, I can`t believe that it made the news! http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4658327.stm ), so very , very dissapointed with that mans attitude towards the enviroment. The Valley Vegan.........nhrattery <nhrattery wrote: HiI 'hail" from the great ( chokes ) state of Texas( the greatest sourceof rednecks & chemical plants in the world I'd wager... I wonder ifthere's any relation between the 2 ?? LOL )Thanks for the suggestions... I've made spinach soup with 'soft" tofublended in that turned out pretty good...I haven't been brave enoughto "stir" fry any yet.. have 2 packages of "firm" tofu in the fridgethough.... my only other "braggable" cooking success was fried wontonsfilled with yellow squash, zuchini, portebello mushrooms & spagettisauce) ......will have to try butternut squash one day... my auntalways put tons of sage in it and I can't stand sage in anything (cornbread dressing, hush puppies, etc..) so don't know whether I evenlike butternut squash or not.... but there's a recipe in the book Ijust bought for grilled butter nut squash too.. =)Also glad to hear you adopted rescue pets (any pics?).... my opinions about breeding though are in another reply on this thread... LaurenNearheart Rattery & Rescuewww.geocities.com/nhhrattery , peter hurd wrote:> Hiya Lauren,> From whence do you hail?> Tofu is very bland on its own, but can be used in a variety of ways.If you want chunks for stir fry etc., make sure that you squeeze allthe water out of it first, then when dry, cut into inch cubes andmarinate in the flavouting of your choice first. Then fry on its ownuntil golden brown and add to your stir fry.> It can also be used in soups if blended with a little soup to makeliquid then added to the main body of soup, makes it nice and creamy (good with raosted butternut squash soup.> Hope you give up eating marine creatures soon.> Personally ( my opinion only ) I think there are enough furyfriends without homes who would love a loving home without peoplebreeding them. I would prefer people to rescue them rather thanintentionally breed them. ( I have 2 rescued cats myself )> > All The Best,> The Valley Vegan.........> > nhrattery wrote:> I've been a member for a little while... thought I share a bit andsee if anyone > else here shares some of my interests... ( or obsessions as myfamily sees > them)..> > I've only recently switched to vegan/vegge....... I'm not eatingmeats, eggs or > dairy products (the last 2 because of hormones/ & cholesterol) .....but I do eat > seafood occasionally....I still haven't really learned to cook withtofu all that > well yet.. ... but really like soy milk alot better than regular 2%.....> > I'm a graphic designer... and I have lots of pets.... I now h ave 2cats.. was a > pet rat breeder for several years.... started rescueing/ fosteringsmall pets > early last year so have owned or do own all of these ( gerbils,dwarf hamsters, > syrian hamsters, fancy rats, chinchillas, bunnies, guinea pigs, & aferret)....> I did tons of research on how to mix my own feeds for my ratties...also double > check labels for all my pets to make sure they aren't getting dangerous > preservatives or crud in their food... been doing this for severalyears before I > finally saw a candy bar I was eating had the same preservative I'vebeen > keeping my cats & rats from eating.... so started doing someresearch for > myself finally and decided to stop eating meat/ etc... and reading the > horrendous labels on everything............... =)> > I recently adopted 3 more chinchillas.. plan to start breeding thoseinstead of > fanc y rats. Still think ratties are better pets, but their limitedlifespan & limited > adoptions ...... chinnies are sweet too... and can live up to 20years....> > That's about it... except here's pictures of my pets/rescues & mywebsite> > http://community.webshots.com/nhrattery> www.geocities.com/nhrattery> > Lauren> > > > > > > To send an email to - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2005 Report Share Posted July 9, 2005 Hi Lauren I've not been following all of this discussion, but wanted to add in something maybe to think about... > Unlike pet stores I don't just plan to sell my pets to the first buyer...I ask a > million questions of every potential adoptee.. and make sure to the best of my > knowledge they are properly educated as to how to care for thier pet. One of my main reasons for being vegan is that I dislike seeing non-human people used as commodities, and not respected as individuals with the same basic rights to life and respect that we take for granted as humans. From that perspective, I'd like to ask how you feel about using animals as commodities... the fact that you " produce " animals in order to sell for profit. I'm sure you would agree that if this was done with humans it would be unacceptable. While I agree it is better to ensure that pets have responsible owners, I still wonder how people who care for animals can use them in this way. BB Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2005 Report Share Posted July 9, 2005 Too bad about the pics... but that story was quite funny... all my coworkers enjoyed the laugh... =) Lauren , peter hurd <swpgh01@t...> wrote: > Hi Lauren, > No pics of my cats I`m afraid ( nothing digital anyway )......dont own a digital camera, or my own computer, but they are too cute to share anyway! > Butternut squash are nice roasted with garlic & cumin, and once roasted you can turn them into anything ( soup/stew/curry/compost).I`m not a big fan of sage either, which is a shame as its so easy to grow! > So your from Texas eh? you must be so proud of Mr Bush ( not ) did you hear the story about him falling off his bike ( made me laugh, I can`t believe that it made the news! http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4658327.stm ), so very , very dissapointed with that mans attitude towards the enviroment. > > The Valley Vegan......... > > nhrattery <nhrattery> wrote: > Hi > > I 'hail " from the great ( chokes ) state of Texas( the greatest source > of rednecks & chemical plants in the world I'd wager... I wonder if > there's any relation between the 2 ?? LOL ) > > Thanks for the suggestions... I've made spinach soup with 'soft " tofu > blended in that turned out pretty good...I haven't been brave enough > to " stir " fry any yet.. have 2 packages of " firm " tofu in the fridge > though.... my only other " braggable " cooking success was fried wontons > filled with yellow squash, zuchini, portebello mushrooms & spagetti > sauce) ......will have to try butternut squash one day... my aunt > always put tons of sage in it and I can't stand sage in anything ( > cornbread dressing, hush puppies, etc..) so don't know whether I even > like butternut squash or not.... but there's a recipe in the book I > just bought for grilled butternut squash too.. =) > > Also glad to hear you adopted rescue pets (any pics?).... > my opinions about breeding though are in another reply on this thread... > > Lauren > Nearheart Rattery & Rescue > www.geocities.com/nhhrattery > > , peter hurd wrote: > > Hiya Lauren, > > From whence do you hail? > > Tofu is very bland on its own, but can be used in a variety of ways. > If you want chunks for stir fry etc., make sure that you squeeze all > the water out of it first, then when dry, cut into inch cubes and > marinate in the flavouting of your choice first. Then fry on its own > until golden brown and add to your stir fry. > > It can also be used in soups if blended with a little soup to make > liquid then added to the main body of soup, makes it nice and creamy ( > good with raosted butternut squash soup. > > Hope you give up eating marine creatures soon. > > Personally ( my opinion only ) I think there are enough fury > friends without homes who would love a loving home without people > breeding them. I would prefer people to rescue them rather than > intentionally breed them. ( I have 2 rescued cats myself ) > > > > All The Best, > > The Valley Vegan......... > > > > nhrattery wrote: > > I've been a member for a little while... thought I share a bit and > see if anyone > > else here shares some of my interests... ( or obsessions as my > family sees > > them).. > > > > I've only recently switched to vegan/vegge....... I'm not eating > meats, eggs or > > dairy products (the last 2 because of hormones/ & cholesterol) ..... > but I do eat > > seafood occasionally....I still haven't really learned to cook with > tofu all that > > well yet.. ... but really like soy milk alot better than regular 2%..... > > > > I'm a graphic designer... and I have lots of pets.... I now have 2 > cats.. was a > > pet rat breeder for several years.... started rescueing/ fostering > small pets > > early last year so have owned or do own all of these ( gerbils, > dwarf hamsters, > > syrian hamsters, fancy rats, chinchillas, bunnies, guinea pigs, & a > ferret).... > > I did tons of research on how to mix my own feeds for my ratties... > also double > > check labels for all my pets to make sure they aren't getting dangerous > > preservatives or crud in their food... been doing this for several > years before I > > finally saw a candy bar I was eating had the same preservative I've > been > > keeping my cats & rats from eating.... so started doing some > research for > > myself finally and decided to stop eating meat/ etc... and reading the > > horrendous labels on everything............... =) > > > > I recently adopted 3 more chinchillas.. plan to start breeding those > instead of > > fancy rats. Still think ratties are better pets, but their limited > lifespan & limited > > adoptions ...... chinnies are sweet too... and can live up to 20 > years.... > > > > That's about it... except here's pictures of my pets/rescues & my > website > > > > http://community.webshots.com/nhrattery > > www.geocities.com/nhrattery > > > > Lauren > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To send an email to - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2005 Report Share Posted July 9, 2005 I guess I'm just selfish to enjoy owning and raising baby animals then... but any alternative " life " for the chinchillas seems a bit harsh.. they could be in a fur farm, owned by breeders who are interested in a profit and not in interacting with the pets/spoiling them rotten, or in the " wild " ??? Sadly stupid people are in the majority .. so I don't see how animals like chinchillas and many others would be around at all in a few years if people didn't " exploit " them for $$$... or people like me who enjoy owning them as pets ( or being owned by them.... I haven't bought a new pair of shoes in almost 2 years, but my chins have new 3ftx3ftx6ft cages.. LOL) " profit " is a weird word..... I'm not going to " profit " in $$$ with them... their cages, and daily care... I only have 4 chins... if I just wanted $$$ I'd get small 2x2 cages and get half a dozen more breeding pairs..... but I do profit in that I get to enjoy them for what they are and give them the best life I can provide... Lauren , " Peter " <metalscarab@c...> wrote: > Hi Lauren > > I've not been following all of this discussion, but wanted to add in > something maybe to think about... > > > Unlike pet stores I don't just plan to sell my pets to the first buyer...I > ask a > > million questions of every potential adoptee.. and make sure to the best > of my > > knowledge they are properly educated as to how to care for thier pet. > > One of my main reasons for being vegan is that I dislike seeing non-human > people used as commodities, and not respected as individuals with the same > basic rights to life and respect that we take for granted as humans. > > From that perspective, I'd like to ask how you feel about using animals as > commodities... the fact that you " produce " animals in order to sell for > profit. I'm sure you would agree that if this was done with humans it would > be unacceptable. While I agree it is better to ensure that pets have > responsible owners, I still wonder how people who care for animals can use > them in this way. > > BB > Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2005 Report Share Posted July 9, 2005 Hi Lauren Seems like I may have got the wrong end of the stick... I'd got the impression from what I'd read that you bred and sold animals. BB Peter - " nhrattery " <nhrattery Saturday, July 09, 2005 6:44 PM Re: Hi all.... > I guess I'm just selfish to enjoy owning and raising baby animals then... but > any alternative " life " for the chinchillas seems a bit harsh.. they could be in a > fur farm, owned by breeders who are interested in a profit and not in > interacting with the pets/spoiling them rotten, or in the " wild " ??? > > Sadly stupid people are in the majority .. so I don't see how animals like > chinchillas and many others would be around at all in a few years if people > didn't " exploit " them for $$$... or people like me who enjoy owning them as > pets ( or being owned by them.... I haven't bought a new pair of shoes in > almost 2 years, but my chins have new 3ftx3ftx6ft cages.. LOL) > " profit " is a weird word..... I'm not going to " profit " in $$$ with them... their > cages, and daily care... I only have 4 chins... if I just wanted $$$ I'd get small > 2x2 cages and get half a dozen more breeding pairs..... but I do profit in that I > get to enjoy them for what they are and give them the best life I can provide... > > Lauren > > > , " Peter " <metalscarab@c...> wrote: > > Hi Lauren > > > > I've not been following all of this discussion, but wanted to add in > > something maybe to think about... > > > > > Unlike pet stores I don't just plan to sell my pets to the first buyer...I > > ask a > > > million questions of every potential adoptee.. and make sure to the best > > of my > > > knowledge they are properly educated as to how to care for thier pet. > > > > One of my main reasons for being vegan is that I dislike seeing non-human > > people used as commodities, and not respected as individuals with the > same > > basic rights to life and respect that we take for granted as humans. > > > > From that perspective, I'd like to ask how you feel about using animals as > > commodities... the fact that you " produce " animals in order to sell for > > profit. I'm sure you would agree that if this was done with humans it would > > be unacceptable. While I agree it is better to ensure that pets have > > responsible owners, I still wonder how people who care for animals can use > > them in this way. > > > > BB > > Peter To send an email to - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2005 Report Share Posted July 9, 2005 Do you seriously think that if man left the chin alone they'd disappear? Maybe if men hadn't exploited them to begin with they still be living happily ever after in the Andes, running around with a million (o.k., so 50 to 100 or so <g>) friends and relatives and living in little nocks and crannies. I mean, cages? So what if they are big, they are still cages. As to the alternative life, ah, if everyone stopped breeding them, the breeding stock would eventually die out and the wild critters would no longer be hunted. Lynda - nhrattery <nhrattery Saturday, July 09, 2005 10:44 AM Re: Hi all.... > I guess I'm just selfish to enjoy owning and raising baby animals then... but > any alternative " life " for the chinchillas seems a bit harsh.. they could be in a > fur farm, owned by breeders who are interested in a profit and not in > interacting with the pets/spoiling them rotten, or in the " wild " ??? > > Sadly stupid people are in the majority .. so I don't see how animals like > chinchillas and many others would be around at all in a few years if people > didn't " exploit " them for $$$... or people like me who enjoy owning them as > pets ( or being owned by them.... I haven't bought a new pair of shoes in > almost 2 years, but my chins have new 3ftx3ftx6ft cages.. LOL) > " profit " is a weird word..... I'm not going to " profit " in $$$ with them... their > cages, and daily care... I only have 4 chins... if I just wanted $$$ I'd get small > 2x2 cages and get half a dozen more breeding pairs..... but I do profit in that I > get to enjoy them for what they are and give them the best life I can provide... > > Lauren Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2005 Report Share Posted July 10, 2005 " sadly stupid people are in the majority " this is a quote from my message..... therefore people are not going to just leave " the chin alone " ............ If people stopped breeding them, it doesn't mean people are going to stop going into their habitat, or stop people from allowing non-native carvivores from going feral and hunting the chins???? ( let's say the fur trade is outlawed in the US... that only means the farmers will move to another, less strict country, where breeders can have even lower standards than the US to produce animals for coat makers....???.... by promoting the chinchilla as a pet...wouldn't that educate more people.... perhaps stop more people from buying fur coats if chinchilla's as pets became as widestream as say, ferrets at least? If the vast majority of people knew what sweet pets they are... why would they buy furs made from them? Aren't people ( in the US at least ) disgusted by the trade of dogs and cats as food in markets of other countries? Do Americans wear dog coats or cat jackets? What have people typcially done to animals/creatures who serve no purpose (for themselves) in the past? ( example: white men don't eat buffalo, right?.... ) I guess there's no point arguing with some of you..... many of you seem to believe that " living happily ever " - living at the mercy of the elements, being hunted by predators, or suffering a slow and painful death from injuries is somehow a better life than living as a loved pet in a " cage " ...... I can't agree with this. I don't agree with PETA's agenda either.. that pet dogs and cats should become extinct because they don't exist in nature.... ........... So people played " god " so to speak... selectively bred numbers of species for various traits.... I'm don't think it was right to breed animals who have health problems now from inbreeding(hip displasia/ cancers/ etc)....but what right do we have to say any " breed " of animal has no right to exist?????????????????? .....just because they depend on us?............ ..........how lazy is that.......? Lauren , " Lynda " <lurine@s...> wrote: > Do you seriously think that if man left the chin alone they'd disappear? > Maybe if men hadn't exploited them to begin with they still be living > happily ever after in the Andes, running around with a million (o.k., so 50 > to 100 or so <g>) friends and relatives and living in little nocks and > crannies. > > I mean, cages? So what if they are big, they are still cages. > > As to the alternative life, ah, if everyone stopped breeding them, the > breeding stock would eventually die out and the wild critters would no > longer be hunted. > > Lynda > - > nhrattery <nhrattery> > > Saturday, July 09, 2005 10:44 AM > Re: Hi all.... > > > > I guess I'm just selfish to enjoy owning and raising baby animals then... > but > > any alternative " life " for the chinchillas seems a bit harsh.. they could > be in a > > fur farm, owned by breeders who are interested in a profit and not in > > interacting with the pets/spoiling them rotten, or in the " wild " ??? > > > > Sadly stupid people are in the majority .. so I don't see how animals like > > chinchillas and many others would be around at all in a few years if > people > > didn't " exploit " them for $$$... or people like me who enjoy owning them > as > > pets ( or being owned by them.... I haven't bought a new pair of shoes in > > almost 2 years, but my chins have new 3ftx3ftx6ft cages.. LOL) > > " profit " is a weird word..... I'm not going to " profit " in $$$ with > them... their > > cages, and daily care... I only have 4 chins... if I just wanted $$$ I'd > get small > > 2x2 cages and get half a dozen more breeding pairs..... but I do profit in > that I > > get to enjoy them for what they are and give them the best life I can > provide... > > > > Lauren Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2005 Report Share Posted July 10, 2005 ??? I rescue small pets .... did breed pet only fancy rats.... am no longer breeding them, but I do have 2 breeding pairs of chinchillas. These guys will cost me between $150-$250 to feed & house per year(not counting the cost of thier new cages or the chins themselves).... plus the cost of toys/accessories for their cages/ ...... I have no guarantee of babies.. gestation is 111 days..... and sometimes pairs can live together for years before having babies...average litters are only 1-3 kits..the max is 6..... and if one or more ever need vet care? How am I raising these for the $$$? Lauren , " Peter " <metalscarab@c...> wrote: > Hi Lauren > > Seems like I may have got the wrong end of the stick... I'd got the > impression from what I'd read that you bred and sold animals. > > BB > Peter > > - > " nhrattery " <nhrattery> > > Saturday, July 09, 2005 6:44 PM > Re: Hi all.... > > > > I guess I'm just selfish to enjoy owning and raising baby animals then... > but > > any alternative " life " for the chinchillas seems a bit harsh.. they could > be in a > > fur farm, owned by breeders who are interested in a profit and not in > > interacting with the pets/spoiling them rotten, or in the " wild " ??? > > > > Sadly stupid people are in the majority .. so I don't see how animals like > > chinchillas and many others would be around at all in a few years if > people > > didn't " exploit " them for $$$... or people like me who enjoy owning them > as > > pets ( or being owned by them.... I haven't bought a new pair of shoes in > > almost 2 years, but my chins have new 3ftx3ftx6ft cages.. LOL) > > " profit " is a weird word..... I'm not going to " profit " in $$$ with > them... their > > cages, and daily care... I only have 4 chins... if I just wanted $$$ I'd > get small > > 2x2 cages and get half a dozen more breeding pairs..... but I do profit in > that I > > get to enjoy them for what they are and give them the best life I can > provide... > > > > Lauren > > > > > > , " Peter " <metalscarab@c...> wrote: > > > Hi Lauren > > > > > > I've not been following all of this discussion, but wanted to add in > > > something maybe to think about... > > > > > > > Unlike pet stores I don't just plan to sell my pets to the first > buyer...I > > > ask a > > > > million questions of every potential adoptee.. and make sure to the > best > > > of my > > > > knowledge they are properly educated as to how to care for thier pet. > > > > > > One of my main reasons for being vegan is that I dislike seeing > non-human > > > people used as commodities, and not respected as individuals with the > > same > > > basic rights to life and respect that we take for granted as humans. > > > > > > From that perspective, I'd like to ask how you feel about using animals > as > > > commodities... the fact that you " produce " animals in order to sell for > > > profit. I'm sure you would agree that if this was done with humans it > would > > > be unacceptable. While I agree it is better to ensure that pets have > > > responsible owners, I still wonder how people who care for animals can > use > > > them in this way. > > > > > > BB > > > Peter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To send an email to - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2005 Report Share Posted July 10, 2005 I love the last line of the story! peter hurd <swpgh01 wrote: Hi Lauren, No pics of my cats I`m afraid ( nothing digital anyway )......dont own a digital camera, or my own computer, but they are too cute to share anyway! Butternut squash are nice roasted with garlic & cumin, and once roasted you can turn them into anything ( soup/stew/curry/compost).I`m not a big fan of sage either, which is a shame as its so easy to grow! So your from Texas eh? you must be so proud of Mr Bush ( not ) did you hear the story about him falling off his bike ( made me laugh, I can`t believe that it made the news! http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4658327.stm ), so very , very dissapointed with that mans attitude towards the enviroment. The Valley Vegan.........nhrattery <nhrattery wrote: HiI 'hail" from the great ( chokes ) state of Texas( the greatest sourceof rednecks & chemical plants in the world I'd wager... I wonder ifthere's any relation between the 2 ?? LOL )Thanks for the suggestions... I've made spinach soup with 'soft" tofublended in that turned out pretty good...I haven't been brave enoughto "stir" fry any yet.. have 2 packages of "firm" tofu in the fridgethough.... my only other "braggable" cooking success was fried wontonsfilled with yellow squash, zuchini, portebello mushrooms & spagettisauce) ......will have to try butternut squash one day... my auntalways put tons of sage in it and I can't stand sage in anything (cornbread dressing, hush puppies, etc..) so don't know whether I evenlike butternut squash or not.... but there's a recipe in the book Ijust bought for grilled butternut squash too.. =)Also glad to hear you adopted rescue pets (any pics?).... my opinions about breeding though are in another reply on this thread... LaurenNearheart Rattery & Rescuewww.geocities.com/nhhrattery , peter hurd wrote:> Hiya Lauren,> From whence do you hail?> Tofu is very bland on its own, but can be used in a variety of ways.If you want chunks for stir fry etc., make sure that you squeeze allthe water out of it first, then when dry, cut into inch cubes andmarinate in the flavouting of your choice first. Then fry on its ownuntil golden brown and add to your stir fry.> It can also be used in soups if blended with a little soup to makeliquid then added to the main body of soup, makes it nice and creamy (good with raosted butternut squash soup.> Hope you give up eating marine creatures soon.> Personally ( my opinion only ) I think there are enough furyfriends without homes who would love a loving home without peoplebreeding them. I would prefer people to rescue them rather thanintentionally breed them. ( I have 2 rescued cats myself )> > All The Best,> The Valley Vegan.........> > nhrattery wrote:> I've been a member for a little while... thought I share a bit andsee if anyone > else here shares some of my interests... ( or obsessions as myfamily sees > them)..> > I've only recently switched to vegan/vegge....... I'm not eatingmeats, eggs or > dairy products (the last 2 because of hormones/ & cholesterol) .....but I do eat > seafood occasionally....I still haven't really learned to cook withtofu all that > well yet.. ... but really like soy milk alot better than regular 2%.....> > I'm a graphic designer... and I have lots of pets.... I now have 2cats.. was a > pet rat breeder for several years.... started rescueing/ fosteringsmall pets > early last year so have owned or do own all of these ( gerbils,dwarf hamsters, > syrian hamsters, fancy rats, chinchillas, bunnies, guinea pigs, & aferret)....> I did tons of research on how to mix my own feeds for my ratties...also double > check labels for all my pets to make sure they aren't getting dangerous > preservatives or crud in their food... been doing this for severalyears before I > finally saw a candy bar I was eating had the same preservative I'vebeen > keeping my cats & rats from eating.... so started doing someresearch for > myself finally and decided to stop eating meat/ etc... and reading the > horrendous labels on everything............... =)> > I recently adopted 3 more chinchillas.. plan to start breeding thoseinstead of > fancy rats. Still think ratties are better pets, but their limitedlifespan & limited > adoptions ...... chinnies are sweet too... and can live up to 20years....> > That's about it... except here's pictures of my pets/rescues & mywebsite> > http://community.webshots.com/nhrattery> www.geocities.com/nhrattery> > Lauren> > > > > > > To send an email to - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2005 Report Share Posted July 10, 2005 Wow, do you know anything about their habitat? Not exactly a walk in the park to get there or to bring the animals down. O.K., let me see if I understand this. Somehow humans are " lazy " if they don't breed more animals that are man made breeds? So using that logic one should breed dogs with hip dysplasia and horses with gray factor melanomas and the line of manx cats that have prolapse problems and so forth and so on. Oh, what the heck. As long as they made somebody happy who the heck cares if they are locked in a cage or suffer a miserable life. Lynda, just chalk me up as lazy. - nhrattery <nhrattery Saturday, July 09, 2005 4:05 PM Re: Hi all.... > " sadly stupid people are in the majority " this is a quote from my > message..... therefore people are not going to just leave " the chin > alone " ............ If people stopped breeding them, it doesn't mean people are > going to stop going into their habitat, or stop people from allowing non-native > carvivores from going feral and hunting the chins???? > ( let's say the fur trade is outlawed in the US... that only means the farmers will > move to another, less strict country, where breeders can have even lower > standards than the US to produce animals for coat makers....???.... by > promoting the chinchilla as a pet...wouldn't that educate more people.... > perhaps stop more people from buying fur coats if chinchilla's as pets became > as widestream as say, ferrets at least? > If the vast majority of people knew what sweet pets they are... why would they > buy furs made from them? Aren't people ( in the US at least ) disgusted by the > trade of dogs and cats as food in markets of other countries? Do Americans > wear dog coats or cat jackets? > > What have people typcially done to animals/creatures who serve no purpose > (for themselves) in the past? > ( example: white men don't eat buffalo, right?.... ) > > I guess there's no point arguing with some of you..... many of you seem to > believe that " living happily ever " - living at the mercy of the elements, being > hunted by predators, or suffering a slow and painful death from injuries is > somehow a better life than living as a loved pet in a " cage " ...... > I can't agree with this. I don't agree with PETA's agenda either.. that pet dogs > and cats should become extinct because they don't exist in nature.... ........... > > So people played " god " so to speak... selectively bred numbers of species for > various traits.... I'm don't think it was right to breed animals who have health > problems now from inbreeding(hip displasia/ cancers/ etc)....but what right do > we have to say any " breed " of animal has no right to > exist?????????????????? .....just because they depend on us?............ > ..........how lazy is that.......? > > Lauren Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2005 Report Share Posted July 10, 2005 You said you raise them to sell. You said you got into it because they lived longer and the short life span is why you got out of raising rats. Lynda - nhrattery <nhrattery Saturday, July 09, 2005 4:14 PM Re: Hi all.... > ??? I rescue small pets .... did breed pet only fancy rats.... am no longer > breeding them, but I do have 2 breeding pairs of chinchillas. > These guys will cost me between $150-$250 to feed & house per year(not > counting the cost of thier new cages or the chins themselves).... plus the cost > of toys/accessories for their cages/ ...... I have no guarantee of babies.. > gestation is 111 days..... and sometimes pairs can live together for years > before having babies...average litters are only 1-3 kits..the max is 6..... and if > one or more ever need vet care? > > How am I raising these for the $$$? > > Lauren > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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