Guest guest Posted May 4, 2004 Report Share Posted May 4, 2004 Dear Peter, I will heed what you say and do my best. I am sorry for all you have gone through and am going through. In my 44 years of life I have been through much. I know you do not know me but if you ever need to talk to someone that can listen very well without impending judgements, just know that I am here. I try to help people and make things a better place though for myself I have not yet come to that transition but I suppose it is in God's timing and not mine. I am sincere. My thoughts and prayers Love, Toni Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2004 Report Share Posted May 4, 2004 Thanks, Toni, I am blessed by having friends and righteousness on my side. I grieve at the loss of family but know that people are not property. The sun shines Peter Tone [tone102] 04 May 2004 09:48 rawfood Re: [Raw Food] Peter Dear Peter, I will heed what you say and do my best. I am sorry for all you have gone through and am going through. In my 44 years of life I have been through much. I know you do not know me but if you ever need to talk to someone that can listen very well without impending judgements, just know that I am here. I try to help people and make things a better place though for myself I have not yet come to that transition but I suppose it is in God's timing and not mine. I am sincere. My thoughts and prayers Love, Toni Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2004 Report Share Posted May 4, 2004 Peter, God Bless you for your attitude. Loss is never easy in any way. I know that all too well. I pray that you have caring people to be there for you and as said earlier, I am also. My email is an easy one to remember That offer of friendship will always stand and I will be here. For now I will not question you anymore on all my food questions as you certainly have much to deal with. I do hope that this separation is on good terms. Your son is your son and shall never be " lost " . You keep that sun shining...you deserve it. Love, Toni - Peter Gardiner rawfood Tuesday, May 04, 2004 4:26 AM RE: [Raw Food] Peter Thanks, Toni, I am blessed by having friends and righteousness on my side. I grieve at the loss of family but know that people are not property. The sun shines Peter Tone [tone102] 04 May 2004 09:48 rawfood Re: [Raw Food] Peter Dear Peter, I will heed what you say and do my best. I am sorry for all you have gone through and am going through. In my 44 years of life I have been through much. I know you do not know me but if you ever need to talk to someone that can listen very well without impending judgements, just know that I am here. I try to help people and make things a better place though for myself I have not yet come to that transition but I suppose it is in God's timing and not mine. I am sincere. My thoughts and prayers Love, Toni Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2005 Report Share Posted July 8, 2005 Hi Jo Good to hear! I bet they will all be tired by the time they return. Physically and mentally. BB Nikki , " heartwerk " <heartwork@c...> wrote: > I heard from Peter last night (around half midnight) to say he was > okay. There had been some sort of lock-in or lock-out situation - but > the mobile reception was not good so I could be mistaken. Anyway, him > and a small group of people could not get back into the convergence > campsite for the night. They found somewhere to stay overnight and > will have another go at getting back into the camp for their tents and > belongings later today. > > Jo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2005 Report Share Posted July 8, 2005 HI Nikki I think they will be. I believe the campsite is still under seige, and I haven't heard from Peter, so I don't know whether he has managed to get back in for his belongings. I wonder if the police will ever let them out! Jo , " nikki_mackovitch " <nikkimack@m...> wrote: > Hi Jo > > Good to hear! I bet they will all be tired by the time they return. > Physically and mentally. > > BB > Nikki > > > , " heartwerk " <heartwork@c...> > wrote: > > I heard from Peter last night (around half midnight) to say he was > > okay. There had been some sort of lock-in or lock-out situation - > but > > the mobile reception was not good so I could be mistaken. Anyway, > him > > and a small group of people could not get back into the > convergence > > campsite for the night. They found somewhere to stay overnight > and > > will have another go at getting back into the camp for their tents > and > > belongings later today. > > > > Jo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2005 Report Share Posted July 8, 2005 Hi Jo A friend of mine that co-mods a list with me has friends there too and she said that they were having some troubles getting in as well. Last she heard they were still waiting outside, but not getting harrased in any way. They must have found out what a nice guy Peter is an don't want him to leave. I can understand your frustration tho. It's so hard waiting and you have no control over when you will know. I hope you have at least a little peace. BB Nikki , " heartwerk " <heartwork@c...> wrote: > HI Nikki > > I think they will be. I believe the campsite is still under seige, > and I haven't heard from Peter, so I don't know whether he has > managed to get back in for his belongings. I wonder if the police > will ever let them out! > > Jo > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2005 Report Share Posted July 9, 2005 Peter is home. I spoke to him only for a few seconds, as he needs to catch up on sleep. BB Jo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2005 Report Share Posted July 9, 2005 HI Nikki Has your co-mod heard from her friends yet> Jo > Hi Jo > > A friend of mine that co-mods a list with me has friends there too > and she said that they were having some troubles getting in as well. > Last she heard they were still waiting outside, but not getting > harrased in any way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2005 Report Share Posted July 9, 2005 Hi Jo I'm glad to hear all is well! BB Nikki , " Jo Cwazy " <heartwork@c...> wrote: > Peter is home. I spoke to him only for a few seconds, as he needs to catch > up on sleep. > > BB > Jo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2005 Report Share Posted July 9, 2005 Hi Jo Yes, they are all well. Not sure if they are home yet though. Her biggest worry was that she could not reach her friends and colleagues in London after the attacks. But she has finally done that as well. Thank goodness too! BB Nikki , " Jo Cwazy " <heartwork@c...> wrote: > HI Nikki > > Has your co-mod heard from her friends yet> > > Jo > > > > Hi Jo > > > > A friend of mine that co-mods a list with me has friends there too > > and she said that they were having some troubles getting in as well. > > Last she heard they were still waiting outside, but not getting > > harrased in any way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2005 Report Share Posted July 9, 2005 That's good news Nikki. BB Jo - " nikki_mackovitch " <nikkimack Saturday, July 09, 2005 1:11 PM Re: Peter > Hi Jo > > Yes, they are all well. Not sure if they are home yet though. > > Her biggest worry was that she could not reach her friends and > colleagues in London after the attacks. But she has finally done that > as well. > > Thank goodness too! > > BB > Nikki > > > , " Jo Cwazy " <heartwork@c...> wrote: > > HI Nikki > > > > Has your co-mod heard from her friends yet> > > > > Jo > > > > > > > Hi Jo > > > > > > A friend of mine that co-mods a list with me has friends there too > > > and she said that they were having some troubles getting in as > well. > > > Last she heard they were still waiting outside, but not getting > > > harrased in any way. > > > > > To send an email to - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2005 Report Share Posted July 9, 2005 > I heard from Peter last night (around half midnight) to say he was > okay. There had been some sort of lock-in or lock-out situation - but > the mobile reception was not good so I could be mistaken. Anyway, him > and a small group of people could not get back into the convergence > campsite for the night. They found somewhere to stay overnight and > will have another go at getting back into the camp for their tents and > belongings later today. I'll probably be boring you all to tears over the next few days with this stuff, but just to let you know what happened... a group of us went out for a meeting with some local Stirling residents at the Dunblane centre for non-violence. The first car returning to the convergence centre got there at about 11.30, and found four lines of riot police. The stopped, and the riot police charged up to the car, and ordered them to keep moving. They refused to explain why, or what was going on, or to let anyone into the site. They returned to the Centre for non violence, and it ended up with some of us staying in the Centre, and a few others staying in the houses of the local residents we had been meeting, who very kindly gave complete strangers a roof over their heads! Had it not been for these residents, we would have had no option but to sleep on the streets of Dunblane or Stirling over night. When we got back to camp the following morning things had de-escalated, and no-one inside the camp had even been aware that the police had blockaded the camp at that time, so it's a complete mystery as to what they were playing at. The general concensus is that the police got bored with just standing there, so thought they'd have an imaginery riot. Nice to know that we have such responsible people upholding our rights!!!! (yes, that is sarcasm) BB Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2005 Report Share Posted July 9, 2005 Hi Nikki > A friend of mine that co-mods a list with me has friends there too > and she said that they were having some troubles getting in as well. > Last she heard they were still waiting outside, but not getting > harrased in any way. They'd have had trouble harrasing anyone, since there were apparently around 150 local residents standing on the roadside watching what was happening. There are going to be some pretty severe repurcussions for the police from the residents of Stirling - yesterday I was helping to run a street stall in the town, and was talking to " ordinary people " in the street, who were very angry with the police - local residents have been frequently stopped and searched while going about their daily business, they've been trapped behind unneccesary police cordons, a number of them have been threatened with physical violence by the police for refusing to give their names and addresses, or for questioning what the police are up to. These are people who aren't hardened activists who are used to this sort of behaviour from the police - they are average people who virtually never see a police officer. A number of the residents have already written to the Scottish authorities making serious complaints that their basic freedoms have been grossly abused by the police, and that they have felt for the past week that they are living in some third world dictatorship under a police state. Far from what the media is saying, the average Stirling resident is not at all antagonistic towards the eco-village, but is extremely angry about the police presence... and bear in mind that these are ordinary people, who can't possibly be coloured as violent activists (as the media have attempted to do with protesters). There have already been several letters printed in local Scottish newspapers from these people, and I think there will be some serious questions asked when things have calmed down again. BB Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2005 Report Share Posted July 9, 2005 Hi Peter I do not find it boring at all. In fact it is extremely interesting to watch it on the news here and then hear form you what actually happenned! BB Nikki , " Peter " <metalscarab@c...> wrote: > I'll probably be boring you all to tears over the next few days with this > stuff, but just to let you know what happened... <<SNIP>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2005 Report Share Posted July 9, 2005 I think it can be very shocking to see some police behaviour, especially for the first time. Many years ago, before I was much interested in politics/activism etc. I was waiting in town for Colin to collect me from work - this was when I worked in a big store. Something happened very quickly, so I can't really remember how it started, but a youngish chap appeared from the store and 9 policeman chased out after him and caught him. They threw him to the ground, and jumped on him. They had knees in his kidney area, elbows on his neck against the ground etc. The chap did struggle, and they got more violent. They had him in handcuffs, and they still struggled violently with him, and even hit him. I don't know what this chap had done, although I suspect it was thieving and running away from arrest. The force the police used on him was way beyond anything that was necessary to detain him. I was disgusted with them. It isn't until you actually witness the police behaving in a less than ideal way, that you start to realise that things are not as they should be. Jo > Hi Nikki > > > A friend of mine that co-mods a list with me has friends there too > > and she said that they were having some troubles getting in as well. > > Last she heard they were still waiting outside, but not getting > > harrased in any way. > > They'd have had trouble harrasing anyone, since there were apparently around > 150 local residents standing on the roadside watching what was happening. > There are going to be some pretty severe repurcussions for the police from > the residents of Stirling - yesterday I was helping to run a street stall in > the town, and was talking to " ordinary people " in the street, who were very > angry with the police - local residents have been frequently stopped and > searched while going about their daily business, they've been trapped behind > unneccesary police cordons, a number of them have been threatened with > physical violence by the police for refusing to give their names and > addresses, or for questioning what the police are up to. These are people > who aren't hardened activists who are used to this sort of behaviour from > the police - they are average people who virtually never see a police > officer. A number of the residents have already written to the Scottish > authorities making serious complaints that their basic freedoms have been > grossly abused by the police, and that they have felt for the past week that > they are living in some third world dictatorship under a police state. Far > from what the media is saying, the average Stirling resident is not at all > antagonistic towards the eco-village, but is extremely angry about the > police presence... and bear in mind that these are ordinary people, who > can't possibly be coloured as violent activists (as the media have attempted > to do with protesters). There have already been several letters printed in > local Scottish newspapers from these people, and I think there will be some > serious questions asked when things have calmed down again. > > BB > Peter > > > > To send an email to - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2005 Report Share Posted July 12, 2005 I too saw things that I wouldnt have believed in my naivete from the police during the miners strike during 84/85. One of the saddest pieces of social history I have witnessed. The law is an ass, the ass is the law. The Valley Vegan.........Jo Cwazy <heartwork wrote: I think it can be very shocking to see some police behaviour, especially forthe first time.Many years ago, before I was much interested in politics/activism etc. I waswaiting in town for Colin to collect me from work - this was when I workedin a big store. Something happened very quickly, so I can't really rememberhow it started, but a youngish chap appeared from the store and 9 policemanchased out after him and caught him. They threw him to the ground, andjumped on him. They had knees in his kidney area, elbows on his neckagainst the ground etc. The chap did struggle, and they got more violent.They had him in handcuffs, and they still struggled violently with him, andeven hit him. I don't know what this chap had done, although I suspect itwas thieving and running away from arrest. The force the police used on himwas way beyond anything that was necessary to detain him. I was disgustedwith them.It isn't until you actually witness the police behaving in a less than idealway, that you start to realise that things are not as they should be.Jo> Hi Nikki>> > A friend of mine that co-mods a list with me has friends there too> > and she said that they were having some troubles getting in as well.> > Last she heard they were still waiting outside, but not getting> > harrased in any way.>> They'd have had trouble harrasing anyone, since there were apparentlyaround> 150 local residents standing on the roadside watching what was happening.> There are going to be some pretty severe repurcussions for the police from> the residents of Stirling - yesterday I was helping to run a street stallin> the town, and was talking to "ordinary people" in the street, who werevery> angry with the police - local residents have been frequently stopped and> searched while going about their daily business, they've been trappedbehind> unneccesary police cordons, a number of them have been threatened with> physical violence by the police for refusing to give their names and> addresses, or for questioning what the police are up to. These are people> who aren't hardened activists who are used to this sort of behaviour from> the police - they are average people who virtually never see a police> officer. A number of the residents have already written to the Scottish> authorities making serious complaints that their basic freedoms have been> grossly abused by the police, and that they have felt for the past weekthat> they are living in some third world dictatorship under a police state. Far> from what the media is saying, the average Stirling resident is not at all> antagonistic towards the eco-village, but is extremely angry about the> police presence... and bear in mind that these are ordinary people, who> can't possibly be coloured as violent activists (as the media haveattempted> to do with protesters). There have already been several letters printed in> local Scottish newspapers from these people, and I think there will besome> serious questions asked when things have calmed down again.>> BB> Peter>>>> To send an email to - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2005 Report Share Posted July 12, 2005 I can well believe that Peter. Bad times! Jo - peter hurd Tuesday, July 12, 2005 5:16 PM Re: Re: Peter I too saw things that I wouldnt have believed in my naivete from the police during the miners strike during 84/85. One of the saddest pieces of social history I have witnessed. The law is an ass, the ass is the law. The Valley Vegan.........Jo Cwazy <heartwork wrote: I think it can be very shocking to see some police behaviour, especially forthe first time.Many years ago, before I was much interested in politics/activism etc. I waswaiting in town for Colin to collect me from work - this was when I workedin a big store. Something happened very quickly, so I can't really rememberhow it started, but a youngish chap appeared from the store and 9 policemanchased out after him and caught him. They threw him to the ground, andjumped on him. They had knees in his kidney area, elbows on his neckagainst the ground etc. The chap did struggle, and they got more violent.They had him in handcuffs, and they still struggled violently with him, andeven hit him. I don't know what this chap had done, although I suspect itwas thieving and running away from arrest. The force the police used on himwas way beyo nd anything that was necessary to detain him. I was disgustedwith them.It isn't until you actually witness the police behaving in a less than idealway, that you start to realise that things are not as they should be.Jo> Hi Nikki>> > A friend of mine that co-mods a list with me has friends there too> > and she said that they were having some troubles getting in as well.> > Last she heard they were still waiting outside, but not getting> > harrased in any way.>> They'd have had trouble harrasing anyone, since there were apparentlyaround> 150 local residents standing on the roadside watching what was happening.> There are going to be some pretty severe repurcussions for the police from> the residents of Stirling - yesterday I was helping to run a street stallin> the town, and was talking to "ordinary people" in the street, who werevery> ang ry with the police - local residents have been frequently stopped and> searched while going about their daily business, they've been trappedbehind> unneccesary police cordons, a number of them have been threatened with> physical violence by the police for refusing to give their names and> addresses, or for questioning what the police are up to. These are people> who aren't hardened activists who are used to this sort of behaviour from> the police - they are average people who virtually never see a police> officer. A number of the residents have already written to the Scottish> authorities making serious complaints that their basic freedoms have been> grossly abused by the police, and that they have felt for the past weekthat> they are living in some third world dictatorship under a police state. Far> from what the media is saying, the average Stirling resident is not at all> antagonistic towa rds the eco-village, but is extremely angry about the> police presence... and bear in mind that these are ordinary people, who> can't possibly be coloured as violent activists (as the media haveattempted> to do with protesters). There have already been several letters printed in> local Scottish newspapers from these people, and I think there will besome> serious questions asked when things have calmed down again.>> BB> Peter>>>> To send an email to - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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