Guest guest Posted July 14, 2005 Report Share Posted July 14, 2005 they're worried about energy consumption out here as well...yesterday it was 104F over in fairfield.... Ontario breaks power consumption record, heat wave likely to last for weeks Last Updated Wed, 13 Jul 2005 22:26:44 EDT CBC News Ontario broke its record for single-day electricity consumption on Wednesday when it peaked at 26,160 megawatts, topping its previous high of 26,157 megawatts set on June 27. INDEPTH: Heat waves and how to protect yourself Regulators say the system can handle the load and that there is still the option to import power from the U.S., and maintain a safety margin. But they are concerned that electricity usage tends to increase day-by-day as heat waves continue. There was a localized blackout for half an hour in downtown Toronto when a Hydro One cooling pump failed, knocking out a good deal of power to Toronto Hydro. Officials also extended an extreme heat alert for the third straight day on Wednesday. Temperatures were expected to reach 35 C and feel like 41 with the humidity factored in. It was the 17th heat alert of the summer for the city, which was also labouring under a smog advisory. The regional coroner's office for Toronto East confirmed that a fourth person has died of causes directly related to this summer's high temperatures. The heat is creating other problems too: causing transformers to overheat, which in turn knocks out power to local neighbourhoods, usually for only 30-45 minutes at a time. Power failures were reported in Midland, Brockville, as well as parts of Toronto overnight. The heat wave is leading to other measures as well. The province is imposing a restricted fire zone across most of northeastern Ontario. All open burning, including campfires, is being banned from Marathon east to the Quebec border and from Manitoulin Island to Hearst. The ban takes effect at midnight. In several Southern Ontario municipalities, authorities have instituted outdoor water use bans and farmers are worried about their crops. " In order to have any significant recovery, we would need two to three inches of rain in the next week, " said soya bean farmer Lloyd Weber. " If we don't get it, I would say we would be lucky to get a 50 per cent yield, in fact, less than that. " The forecast is calling for rain sometime by the weekend, but probably not enough to solve the region's agriculture problems. Environment Canada says the hot weather will continue until the end of July. " In the next few weeks, we're looking at a few nights when even the nighttime lows may only be in the 23 or 24 degree Celsius range, " said meteorologist Geoff Coulson. " God was my co-pilot, but we crashed in the Andes and I had to eat him. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2005 Report Share Posted July 14, 2005 Well, see what happens when you live in the wrong part of the state <g> Up here in it is inthe 90s and no humidity, cool evening breezes, no traffic, reasonable prices. Wait, forget I said that. If I start letting folks know how nice it is those nuts from LaLa Land might start moving up here and pricing us poor common folks out! Lynda - fraggle <EBbrewpunx <TFHB >; Thursday, July 14, 2005 2:52 PM and its not even a dry heat > they're worried about energy consumption out here as well...yesterday it was 104F over in fairfield.... > > > Ontario breaks power consumption record, heat wave likely to last > for weeks > Last Updated Wed, 13 Jul 2005 22:26:44 EDT > CBC News > Ontario broke its record for single-day electricity consumption on > Wednesday when it peaked at 26,160 megawatts, topping its previous > high of 26,157 megawatts set on June 27. > > > INDEPTH: Heat waves and how to protect yourself > > > > Regulators say the system can handle the load and that there is > still the option to import power from the U.S., and maintain a > safety margin. But they are concerned that electricity usage tends > to increase day-by-day as heat waves continue. > > There was a localized blackout for half an hour in downtown Toronto > when a Hydro One cooling pump failed, knocking out a good deal of > power to Toronto Hydro. > > Officials also extended an extreme heat alert for the third straight > day on Wednesday. Temperatures were expected to reach 35 C and feel > like 41 with the humidity factored in. > > It was the 17th heat alert of the summer for the city, which was > also labouring under a smog advisory. > > The regional coroner's office for Toronto East confirmed that a > fourth person has died of causes directly related to this summer's > high temperatures. > > The heat is creating other problems too: causing transformers to > overheat, which in turn knocks out power to local neighbourhoods, > usually for only 30-45 minutes at a time. > > Power failures were reported in Midland, Brockville, as well as > parts of Toronto overnight. > > The heat wave is leading to other measures as well. > > The province is imposing a restricted fire zone across most of > northeastern Ontario. All open burning, including campfires, is > being banned from Marathon east to the Quebec border and from > Manitoulin Island to Hearst. > > The ban takes effect at midnight. > > In several Southern Ontario municipalities, authorities have > instituted outdoor water use bans and farmers are worried about > their crops. > > " In order to have any significant recovery, we would need two to > three inches of rain in the next week, " said soya bean farmer Lloyd > Weber. " If we don't get it, I would say we would be lucky to get a > 50 per cent yield, in fact, less than that. " > > The forecast is calling for rain sometime by the weekend, but > probably not enough to solve the region's agriculture problems. > Environment Canada says the hot weather will continue until the end > of July. > > " In the next few weeks, we're looking at a few nights when even the > nighttime lows may only be in the 23 or 24 degree Celsius range, " > said meteorologist Geoff Coulson. > > > " God was my co-pilot, but we crashed in the Andes and I had to eat him. " > > > To send an email to - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2005 Report Share Posted July 15, 2005 i don't live in fairfield....thats delta.. today its 76F here..and even breezy and chilly at my work in berkeley... it was in then80's yesterday in oakland its all you valley folks who need that air conditioner crankin away that drive up the energy spikes and..while i luv the trinity alps, i'd get bored starin at em after the third or fourth day.... you don't have to worry about me stampeding up there! cheers fraggle Lynda <lurine Jul 14, 2005 3:56 PM Re: and its not even a dry heat Well, see what happens when you live in the wrong part of the state <g> Up here in it is inthe 90s and no humidity, cool evening breezes, no traffic, reasonable prices. Wait, forget I said that. If I start letting folks know how nice it is those nuts from LaLa Land might start moving up here and pricing us poor common folks out! Lynda - fraggle <EBbrewpunx <TFHB >; Thursday, July 14, 2005 2:52 PM and its not even a dry heat > they're worried about energy consumption out here as well...yesterday it was 104F over in fairfield.... > > > Ontario breaks power consumption record, heat wave likely to last > for weeks > Last Updated Wed, 13 Jul 2005 22:26:44 EDT > CBC News > Ontario broke its record for single-day electricity consumption on > Wednesday when it peaked at 26,160 megawatts, topping its previous > high of 26,157 megawatts set on June 27. > > > INDEPTH: Heat waves and how to protect yourself > > > > Regulators say the system can handle the load and that there is > still the option to import power from the U.S., and maintain a > safety margin. But they are concerned that electricity usage tends > to increase day-by-day as heat waves continue. > > There was a localized blackout for half an hour in downtown Toronto > when a Hydro One cooling pump failed, knocking out a good deal of > power to Toronto Hydro. > > Officials also extended an extreme heat alert for the third straight > day on Wednesday. Temperatures were expected to reach 35 C and feel > like 41 with the humidity factored in. > > It was the 17th heat alert of the summer for the city, which was > also labouring under a smog advisory. > > The regional coroner's office for Toronto East confirmed that a > fourth person has died of causes directly related to this summer's > high temperatures. > > The heat is creating other problems too: causing transformers to > overheat, which in turn knocks out power to local neighbourhoods, > usually for only 30-45 minutes at a time. > > Power failures were reported in Midland, Brockville, as well as > parts of Toronto overnight. > > The heat wave is leading to other measures as well. > > The province is imposing a restricted fire zone across most of > northeastern Ontario. All open burning, including campfires, is > being banned from Marathon east to the Quebec border and from > Manitoulin Island to Hearst. > > The ban takes effect at midnight. > > In several Southern Ontario municipalities, authorities have > instituted outdoor water use bans and farmers are worried about > their crops. > > " In order to have any significant recovery, we would need two to > three inches of rain in the next week, " said soya bean farmer Lloyd > Weber. " If we don't get it, I would say we would be lucky to get a > 50 per cent yield, in fact, less than that. " > > The forecast is calling for rain sometime by the weekend, but > probably not enough to solve the region's agriculture problems. > Environment Canada says the hot weather will continue until the end > of July. > > " In the next few weeks, we're looking at a few nights when even the > nighttime lows may only be in the 23 or 24 degree Celsius range, " > said meteorologist Geoff Coulson. > > > " God was my co-pilot, but we crashed in the Andes and I had to eat him. " > > > To send an email to - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2005 Report Share Posted July 15, 2005 Psssst, Fraggle, dear. We're not valley folk. hence the name Trinity ALPS <g> Lynda, who spent the day kicked back by the swimming hole in her creek <g> - fraggle <EBbrewpunx Thursday, July 14, 2005 4:17 PM Re: and its not even a dry heat > i don't live in fairfield....thats delta.. > today its 76F here..and even breezy and chilly at my work in berkeley... > it was in then80's yesterday in oakland > its all you valley folks who need that air conditioner crankin away that drive up the energy spikes > > > and..while i luv the trinity alps, i'd get bored starin at em after the third or fourth day.... > you don't have to worry about me stampeding up there! > cheers > fraggle > > > > Lynda <lurine > Jul 14, 2005 3:56 PM > > Re: and its not even a dry heat > > Well, see what happens when you live in the wrong part of the state <g> Up > here in it is inthe 90s and no humidity, cool evening breezes, no traffic, > reasonable prices. Wait, forget I said that. If I start letting folks know > how nice it is those nuts from LaLa Land might start moving up here and > pricing us poor common folks out! > > Lynda > - > fraggle <EBbrewpunx > <TFHB >; > Thursday, July 14, 2005 2:52 PM > and its not even a dry heat > > > > they're worried about energy consumption out here as well...yesterday it > was 104F over in fairfield.... > > > > > > Ontario breaks power consumption record, heat wave likely to last > > for weeks > > Last Updated Wed, 13 Jul 2005 22:26:44 EDT > > CBC News > > Ontario broke its record for single-day electricity consumption on > > Wednesday when it peaked at 26,160 megawatts, topping its previous > > high of 26,157 megawatts set on June 27. > > > > > > INDEPTH: Heat waves and how to protect yourself > > > > > > > > Regulators say the system can handle the load and that there is > > still the option to import power from the U.S., and maintain a > > safety margin. But they are concerned that electricity usage tends > > to increase day-by-day as heat waves continue. > > > > There was a localized blackout for half an hour in downtown Toronto > > when a Hydro One cooling pump failed, knocking out a good deal of > > power to Toronto Hydro. > > > > Officials also extended an extreme heat alert for the third straight > > day on Wednesday. Temperatures were expected to reach 35 C and feel > > like 41 with the humidity factored in. > > > > It was the 17th heat alert of the summer for the city, which was > > also labouring under a smog advisory. > > > > The regional coroner's office for Toronto East confirmed that a > > fourth person has died of causes directly related to this summer's > > high temperatures. > > > > The heat is creating other problems too: causing transformers to > > overheat, which in turn knocks out power to local neighbourhoods, > > usually for only 30-45 minutes at a time. > > > > Power failures were reported in Midland, Brockville, as well as > > parts of Toronto overnight. > > > > The heat wave is leading to other measures as well. > > > > The province is imposing a restricted fire zone across most of > > northeastern Ontario. All open burning, including campfires, is > > being banned from Marathon east to the Quebec border and from > > Manitoulin Island to Hearst. > > > > The ban takes effect at midnight. > > > > In several Southern Ontario municipalities, authorities have > > instituted outdoor water use bans and farmers are worried about > > their crops. > > > > " In order to have any significant recovery, we would need two to > > three inches of rain in the next week, " said soya bean farmer Lloyd > > Weber. " If we don't get it, I would say we would be lucky to get a > > 50 per cent yield, in fact, less than that. " > > > > The forecast is calling for rain sometime by the weekend, but > > probably not enough to solve the region's agriculture problems. > > Environment Canada says the hot weather will continue until the end > > of July. > > > > " In the next few weeks, we're looking at a few nights when even the > > nighttime lows may only be in the 23 or 24 degree Celsius range, " > > said meteorologist Geoff Coulson. > > > > > > " God was my co-pilot, but we crashed in the Andes and I had to eat him. " > > > > > > To send an email to - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2005 Report Share Posted July 15, 2005 Yesterday it was 31 here - 94 degrees Fahrenheit. It felt like your under the grill! Jo - " fraggle " <EBbrewpunx Friday, July 15, 2005 12:17 AM Re: and its not even a dry heat > i don't live in fairfield....thats delta.. > today its 76F here..and even breezy and chilly at my work in berkeley... > it was in then80's yesterday in oakland > its all you valley folks who need that air conditioner crankin away that drive up the energy spikes > > > and..while i luv the trinity alps, i'd get bored starin at em after the third or fourth day.... > you don't have to worry about me stampeding up there! > cheers > fraggle > > > > Lynda <lurine > Jul 14, 2005 3:56 PM > > Re: and its not even a dry heat > > Well, see what happens when you live in the wrong part of the state <g> Up > here in it is inthe 90s and no humidity, cool evening breezes, no traffic, > reasonable prices. Wait, forget I said that. If I start letting folks know > how nice it is those nuts from LaLa Land might start moving up here and > pricing us poor common folks out! > > Lynda > - > fraggle <EBbrewpunx > <TFHB >; > Thursday, July 14, 2005 2:52 PM > and its not even a dry heat > > > > they're worried about energy consumption out here as well...yesterday it > was 104F over in fairfield.... > > > > > > Ontario breaks power consumption record, heat wave likely to last > > for weeks > > Last Updated Wed, 13 Jul 2005 22:26:44 EDT > > CBC News > > Ontario broke its record for single-day electricity consumption on > > Wednesday when it peaked at 26,160 megawatts, topping its previous > > high of 26,157 megawatts set on June 27. > > > > > > INDEPTH: Heat waves and how to protect yourself > > > > > > > > Regulators say the system can handle the load and that there is > > still the option to import power from the U.S., and maintain a > > safety margin. But they are concerned that electricity usage tends > > to increase day-by-day as heat waves continue. > > > > There was a localized blackout for half an hour in downtown Toronto > > when a Hydro One cooling pump failed, knocking out a good deal of > > power to Toronto Hydro. > > > > Officials also extended an extreme heat alert for the third straight > > day on Wednesday. Temperatures were expected to reach 35 C and feel > > like 41 with the humidity factored in. > > > > It was the 17th heat alert of the summer for the city, which was > > also labouring under a smog advisory. > > > > The regional coroner's office for Toronto East confirmed that a > > fourth person has died of causes directly related to this summer's > > high temperatures. > > > > The heat is creating other problems too: causing transformers to > > overheat, which in turn knocks out power to local neighbourhoods, > > usually for only 30-45 minutes at a time. > > > > Power failures were reported in Midland, Brockville, as well as > > parts of Toronto overnight. > > > > The heat wave is leading to other measures as well. > > > > The province is imposing a restricted fire zone across most of > > northeastern Ontario. All open burning, including campfires, is > > being banned from Marathon east to the Quebec border and from > > Manitoulin Island to Hearst. > > > > The ban takes effect at midnight. > > > > In several Southern Ontario municipalities, authorities have > > instituted outdoor water use bans and farmers are worried about > > their crops. > > > > " In order to have any significant recovery, we would need two to > > three inches of rain in the next week, " said soya bean farmer Lloyd > > Weber. " If we don't get it, I would say we would be lucky to get a > > 50 per cent yield, in fact, less than that. " > > > > The forecast is calling for rain sometime by the weekend, but > > probably not enough to solve the region's agriculture problems. > > Environment Canada says the hot weather will continue until the end > > of July. > > > > " In the next few weeks, we're looking at a few nights when even the > > nighttime lows may only be in the 23 or 24 degree Celsius range, " > > said meteorologist Geoff Coulson. > > > > > > " God was my co-pilot, but we crashed in the Andes and I had to eat him. " > > > > > > To send an email to - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2005 Report Share Posted July 15, 2005 88F actually...at least according to my converter but..anyways...sorta warm fer you folks ain't it? Jo Cwazy <heartwork Jul 15, 2005 1:11 AM Re: and its not even a dry heat Yesterday it was 31 here - 94 degrees Fahrenheit. It felt like your under the grill! Jo - " fraggle " <EBbrewpunx Friday, July 15, 2005 12:17 AM Re: and its not even a dry heat > i don't live in fairfield....thats delta.. > today its 76F here..and even breezy and chilly at my work in berkeley... > it was in then80's yesterday in oakland > its all you valley folks who need that air conditioner crankin away that drive up the energy spikes > > > and..while i luv the trinity alps, i'd get bored starin at em after the third or fourth day.... > you don't have to worry about me stampeding up there! > cheers > fraggle > > > > Lynda <lurine > Jul 14, 2005 3:56 PM > > Re: and its not even a dry heat > > Well, see what happens when you live in the wrong part of the state <g> Up > here in it is inthe 90s and no humidity, cool evening breezes, no traffic, > reasonable prices. Wait, forget I said that. If I start letting folks know > how nice it is those nuts from LaLa Land might start moving up here and > pricing us poor common folks out! > > Lynda > - > fraggle <EBbrewpunx > <TFHB >; > Thursday, July 14, 2005 2:52 PM > and its not even a dry heat > > > > they're worried about energy consumption out here as well...yesterday it > was 104F over in fairfield.... > > > > > > Ontario breaks power consumption record, heat wave likely to last > > for weeks > > Last Updated Wed, 13 Jul 2005 22:26:44 EDT > > CBC News > > Ontario broke its record for single-day electricity consumption on > > Wednesday when it peaked at 26,160 megawatts, topping its previous > > high of 26,157 megawatts set on June 27. > > > > > > INDEPTH: Heat waves and how to protect yourself > > > > > > > > Regulators say the system can handle the load and that there is > > still the option to import power from the U.S., and maintain a > > safety margin. But they are concerned that electricity usage tends > > to increase day-by-day as heat waves continue. > > > > There was a localized blackout for half an hour in downtown Toronto > > when a Hydro One cooling pump failed, knocking out a good deal of > > power to Toronto Hydro. > > > > Officials also extended an extreme heat alert for the third straight > > day on Wednesday. Temperatures were expected to reach 35 C and feel > > like 41 with the humidity factored in. > > > > It was the 17th heat alert of the summer for the city, which was > > also labouring under a smog advisory. > > > > The regional coroner's office for Toronto East confirmed that a > > fourth person has died of causes directly related to this summer's > > high temperatures. > > > > The heat is creating other problems too: causing transformers to > > overheat, which in turn knocks out power to local neighbourhoods, > > usually for only 30-45 minutes at a time. > > > > Power failures were reported in Midland, Brockville, as well as > > parts of Toronto overnight. > > > > The heat wave is leading to other measures as well. > > > > The province is imposing a restricted fire zone across most of > > northeastern Ontario. All open burning, including campfires, is > > being banned from Marathon east to the Quebec border and from > > Manitoulin Island to Hearst. > > > > The ban takes effect at midnight. > > > > In several Southern Ontario municipalities, authorities have > > instituted outdoor water use bans and farmers are worried about > > their crops. > > > > " In order to have any significant recovery, we would need two to > > three inches of rain in the next week, " said soya bean farmer Lloyd > > Weber. " If we don't get it, I would say we would be lucky to get a > > 50 per cent yield, in fact, less than that. " > > > > The forecast is calling for rain sometime by the weekend, but > > probably not enough to solve the region's agriculture problems. > > Environment Canada says the hot weather will continue until the end > > of July. > > > > " In the next few weeks, we're looking at a few nights when even the > > nighttime lows may only be in the 23 or 24 degree Celsius range, " > > said meteorologist Geoff Coulson. > > > > > > " God was my co-pilot, but we crashed in the Andes and I had to eat him. " > > > > > > To send an email to - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2005 Report Share Posted July 17, 2005 you are east of me...yes? (ok..north east) before the sierra..yes? yer valley... Lynda <lurine Jul 14, 2005 6:29 PM Re: and its not even a dry heat Psssst, Fraggle, dear. We're not valley folk. hence the name Trinity ALPS <g> Lynda, who spent the day kicked back by the swimming hole in her creek <g> - fraggle <EBbrewpunx Thursday, July 14, 2005 4:17 PM Re: and its not even a dry heat > i don't live in fairfield....thats delta.. > today its 76F here..and even breezy and chilly at my work in berkeley... > it was in then80's yesterday in oakland > its all you valley folks who need that air conditioner crankin away that drive up the energy spikes > > > and..while i luv the trinity alps, i'd get bored starin at em after the third or fourth day.... > you don't have to worry about me stampeding up there! > cheers > fraggle > > > > Lynda <lurine > Jul 14, 2005 3:56 PM > > Re: and its not even a dry heat > > Well, see what happens when you live in the wrong part of the state <g> Up > here in it is inthe 90s and no humidity, cool evening breezes, no traffic, > reasonable prices. Wait, forget I said that. If I start letting folks know > how nice it is those nuts from LaLa Land might start moving up here and > pricing us poor common folks out! > > Lynda > - > fraggle <EBbrewpunx > <TFHB >; > Thursday, July 14, 2005 2:52 PM > and its not even a dry heat > > > > they're worried about energy consumption out here as well...yesterday it > was 104F over in fairfield.... > > > > > > Ontario breaks power consumption record, heat wave likely to last > > for weeks > > Last Updated Wed, 13 Jul 2005 22:26:44 EDT > > CBC News > > Ontario broke its record for single-day electricity consumption on > > Wednesday when it peaked at 26,160 megawatts, topping its previous > > high of 26,157 megawatts set on June 27. > > > > > > INDEPTH: Heat waves and how to protect yourself > > > > > > > > Regulators say the system can handle the load and that there is > > still the option to import power from the U.S., and maintain a > > safety margin. But they are concerned that electricity usage tends > > to increase day-by-day as heat waves continue. > > > > There was a localized blackout for half an hour in downtown Toronto > > when a Hydro One cooling pump failed, knocking out a good deal of > > power to Toronto Hydro. > > > > Officials also extended an extreme heat alert for the third straight > > day on Wednesday. Temperatures were expected to reach 35 C and feel > > like 41 with the humidity factored in. > > > > It was the 17th heat alert of the summer for the city, which was > > also labouring under a smog advisory. > > > > The regional coroner's office for Toronto East confirmed that a > > fourth person has died of causes directly related to this summer's > > high temperatures. > > > > The heat is creating other problems too: causing transformers to > > overheat, which in turn knocks out power to local neighbourhoods, > > usually for only 30-45 minutes at a time. > > > > Power failures were reported in Midland, Brockville, as well as > > parts of Toronto overnight. > > > > The heat wave is leading to other measures as well. > > > > The province is imposing a restricted fire zone across most of > > northeastern Ontario. All open burning, including campfires, is > > being banned from Marathon east to the Quebec border and from > > Manitoulin Island to Hearst. > > > > The ban takes effect at midnight. > > > > In several Southern Ontario municipalities, authorities have > > instituted outdoor water use bans and farmers are worried about > > their crops. > > > > " In order to have any significant recovery, we would need two to > > three inches of rain in the next week, " said soya bean farmer Lloyd > > Weber. " If we don't get it, I would say we would be lucky to get a > > 50 per cent yield, in fact, less than that. " > > > > The forecast is calling for rain sometime by the weekend, but > > probably not enough to solve the region's agriculture problems. > > Environment Canada says the hot weather will continue until the end > > of July. > > > > " In the next few weeks, we're looking at a few nights when even the > > nighttime lows may only be in the 23 or 24 degree Celsius range, " > > said meteorologist Geoff Coulson. > > > > > > " God was my co-pilot, but we crashed in the Andes and I had to eat him. " > > > > > > To send an email to - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2005 Report Share Posted July 17, 2005 Fraggle, Fraggle, Fraggle. Shame on you for sleeping through geography in school. Berkeley, 122.2710 on ye ol' longitude Hayfork, 123.18 That would make me north west of you. Definately not in the " the " valley and at 3,000' feet in the Trinity Alps which are part of the Cascade Range, definately not valley and way west of the Sierras. Me think perhaps one has forgotten that the north, north part of CA takes a jut out into the Pacific (Cape Mendocino, the point furthest to the west in CA, is at 124.243). Now, I can never remember the formula for land miles vs. nautical miles and the whole how to convert formula, but give or take a guess or two, that would make me 50 or 60 miles west of you <<eg>> Wait just one darn minute here, that would mean YOU are in the valley %-pppp Lynda - fraggle <EBbrewpunx Saturday, July 16, 2005 6:52 PM Re: and its not even a dry heat > you are east of me...yes? (ok..north east) > before the sierra..yes? > yer valley... > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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