Guest guest Posted July 24, 2005 Report Share Posted July 24, 2005 If all oil was finished on Earth then can you still manage to survive ? How ? What changes will you have to make to your life ? Any other related info. welcome. This will be a good exercise for all. Vijay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2005 Report Share Posted July 24, 2005 Can I? Yes. Can the majority of those living on this earth? No. Changes? We've already begun most of them because oil IS finite. And, we are teaching all the kidlets. That is one of the reasons we bought this place. For starters, we are adding lots of solar to our house, both passive (greenhouse rooms) and regular. We have two creeks, one year round and one seasonal. That gives us both an easy source of water and a source of power should the local source run into problems. We also bought here because the power source IS local, not tied into all the big money boys and its source should be stable. We have 12 acres which is sufficient to provide us with food for ourselves and even all the kidlets if they should need to move here should everything collapse because of the world economy revolving around things powered by oil. With that in mind, we use the no-till and square foot gardening methods. We've already planted apples, peaches, pears and prune and plum. Plus, we put in about 25' of raspberries and a few marionberries. We've found all the wild berry batches within a short distance of the house. I'm busy collecting canning jars from yard sales plus we have two dehydrators and are buying one that is solar powered. The seeds we buy are all open pollinated, nothing from anything even raised within 100 miles of anything Monsanto! We will be saving our own seeds over the next few seasons. All the kidlets and grandkidlets know how to knit and crochet and are learning to sew. They are all learning scratch cooking. They'll all be learning to can. Now, a lot of folks could no most of what we have done even in a city lot. The problem is that preparing for the end of oil is usually greated as hysteria. And, most folks being sheople happily listen to the latest talking head that hasn't a clue and doesn't want to have a clue. Lynda - " rvijay " <rvijay07 Sunday, July 24, 2005 8:20 AM Exercise: Your Life Without Oil. > If all oil was finished on Earth then can you still manage to survive > ? How ? What changes will you have to make to your life ? Any other > related info. welcome. > > This will be a good exercise for all. > > Vijay > > > > > > To send an email to - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2005 Report Share Posted July 24, 2005 , " rvijay " <rvijay07@m...> wrote: > If all oil was finished on Earth then can you still manage to survive > ? How ? What changes will you have to make to your life ? Any other > related info. welcome. > > This will be a good exercise for all. > > Vijay Without petroleum several products would be affected. For starters the manufacture/distribution of Pharmaceuticals. Shipping anything would cost an arm and a leg. Expect major corporations to break down but local businesses to springup and thrive. Trains running on electric power would increase in number. Bicycles, trams and horse carriages will mostly make a come back. Solar power will become quite economical. Crime will increase for sure. A good portion of the people will move closer to work and another portion will move to Country to homestead. Robots will become quite popular: http://tinyurl.com/dh39z Now if lack of gasoline is combined with severe global warming then it can get real challenging. Here is a related article: http://www.asa3.org/ASA/PSCF/2000/PSCF12-00Morton.html Vijay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2005 Report Share Posted July 24, 2005 What folks always seem to forget is that it isn't only gasoline and diesel that are petroleum products, all of which are the foundation or an integral part of manufacturing products " necessary " for city life. Just to name a few that folks won't have thought of: Ink, dishwashing liquids, telephones, toys, unbreakable dishes, antiseptics, insulation, tires, linoleum, refrigerator linings, soft lense contacts, eye glasses, cassettes/cds/dvds, chaulking, roofing shingles, antihistimines, vitamin capsules, aspirin, cortizon, artificial limbs, etc., etc., etc. Now, for vegans it presents another problem, vegan shoes, vegan glues, and all those other replacements for animal products. As to those things electric. Welllll, those battery casings are petroleum products. And a million other things you wouldn't even think of. Insecticides, fertilizers, shaving cream, deodorants. Machinery would have to be reinvented because they use petroleum lubricants. And then there are things like heating oil. Those solar panels? Well, parts of them are made from petroleum products. As to local businesses, well, where do they get the products they sell? Most of them, except for produce aren't really all that local. They have to have their products shipped in. Lynda - " rvijay " <rvijay07 > > Without petroleum several products would be affected. For starters the > manufacture/distribution of Pharmaceuticals. > > Shipping anything would cost an arm and a leg. > > Expect major corporations to break down but local businesses to > springup and thrive. > > Trains running on electric power would increase in number. > > Bicycles, trams and horse carriages will mostly make a come back. > > Solar power will become quite economical. > > Crime will increase for sure. > > A good portion of the people will move closer to work and another > portion will move to Country to homestead. > > Robots will become quite popular: > http://tinyurl.com/dh39z > > Now if lack of gasoline is combined with severe global warming then it > can get real challenging. > > Here is a related article: > http://www.asa3.org/ASA/PSCF/2000/PSCF12-00Morton.html > > Vijay > > > > > > To send an email to - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2005 Report Share Posted July 24, 2005 You said biofuel is efficient specially with Hemp etc., Still how come you are prepared so well for life without oil ? Thanks. , " Lynda " <lurine@s...> wrote: > Can I? Yes. Can the majority of those living on this earth? No. > > Changes? We've already begun most of them because oil IS finite. And, we > are teaching all the kidlets. That is one of the reasons we bought this > place. > > For starters, we are adding lots of solar to our house, both passive > (greenhouse rooms) and regular. > > We have two creeks, one year round and one seasonal. That gives us both an > easy source of water and a source of power should the local source run into > problems. We also bought here because the power source IS local, not tied > into all the big money boys and its source should be stable. > > We have 12 acres which is sufficient to provide us with food for ourselves > and even all the kidlets if they should need to move here should everything > collapse because of the world economy revolving around things powered by > oil. With that in mind, we use the no-till and square foot gardening > methods. > > We've already planted apples, peaches, pears and prune and plum. Plus, we > put in about 25' of raspberries and a few marionberries. We've found all > the wild berry batches within a short distance of the house. > > I'm busy collecting canning jars from yard sales plus we have two > dehydrators and are buying one that is solar powered. The seeds we buy are > all open pollinated, nothing from anything even raised within 100 miles of > anything Monsanto! We will be saving our own seeds over the next few > seasons. > > All the kidlets and grandkidlets know how to knit and crochet and are > learning to sew. They are all learning scratch cooking. They'll all be > learning to can. > > Now, a lot of folks could no most of what we have done even in a city lot. > The problem is that preparing for the end of oil is usually greated as > hysteria. And, most folks being sheople happily listen to the latest > talking head that hasn't a clue and doesn't want to have a clue. > > Lynda > - > " rvijay " <rvijay07@m...> > > Sunday, July 24, 2005 8:20 AM > Exercise: Your Life Without Oil. > > > > If all oil was finished on Earth then can you still manage to survive > > ? How ? What changes will you have to make to your life ? Any other > > related info. welcome. > > > > This will be a good exercise for all. > > > > Vijay > > > > > > > > > > > > To send an email to - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2005 Report Share Posted July 24, 2005 PLEASE HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!! How do I get off of this vegan chat. I have over 1000 messages my email address is unusable and I have tried several times to get off. Please take me off of this list....... Diane --- rvijay <rvijay07 wrote: > You said biofuel is efficient specially with Hemp > etc., Still how come > you are prepared so well for life without oil ? > > Thanks. > > , " Lynda " > <lurine@s...> wrote: > > Can I? Yes. Can the majority of those living on > this earth? No. > > > > Changes? We've already begun most of them because > oil IS finite. > And, we > > are teaching all the kidlets. That is one of the > reasons we bought this > > place. > > > > For starters, we are adding lots of solar to our > house, both passive > > (greenhouse rooms) and regular. > > > > We have two creeks, one year round and one > seasonal. That gives us > both an > > easy source of water and a source of power should > the local source > run into > > problems. We also bought here because the power > source IS local, > not tied > > into all the big money boys and its source should > be stable. > > > > We have 12 acres which is sufficient to provide us > with food for > ourselves > > and even all the kidlets if they should need to > move here should > everything > > collapse because of the world economy revolving > around things powered by > > oil. With that in mind, we use the no-till and > square foot gardening > > methods. > > > > We've already planted apples, peaches, pears and > prune and plum. > Plus, we > > put in about 25' of raspberries and a few > marionberries. We've > found all > > the wild berry batches within a short distance of > the house. > > > > I'm busy collecting canning jars from yard sales > plus we have two > > dehydrators and are buying one that is solar > powered. The seeds we > buy are > > all open pollinated, nothing from anything even > raised within 100 > miles of > > anything Monsanto! We will be saving our own > seeds over the next few > > seasons. > > > > All the kidlets and grandkidlets know how to knit > and crochet and are > > learning to sew. They are all learning scratch > cooking. They'll all be > > learning to can. > > > > Now, a lot of folks could no most of what we have > done even in a > city lot. > > The problem is that preparing for the end of oil > is usually greated as > > hysteria. And, most folks being sheople happily > listen to the latest > > talking head that hasn't a clue and doesn't want > to have a clue. > > > > Lynda > > - > > " rvijay " <rvijay07@m...> > > > > Sunday, July 24, 2005 8:20 AM > > Exercise: Your Life Without > Oil. > > > > > > > If all oil was finished on Earth then can you > still manage to survive > > > ? How ? What changes will you have to make to > your life ? Any other > > > related info. welcome. > > > > > > This will be a good exercise for all. > > > > > > Vijay > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To send an email to > - > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2005 Report Share Posted July 24, 2005 Hi Diane > PLEASE HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!! > How do I get off of this vegan chat. I have over 1000 > messages my email address is unusable and I have tried > several times to get off. Please take me off of this > list....... For the umpteenth time.... YOU FOLLOW THE INSTRUCTIONS AT THE BOTTOM OF EVERY E-MAIL. Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2005 Report Share Posted July 25, 2005 Several related important articles: http://www.energybulletin.net/4740.html http://www.energybulletin.net/524.html http://www.energybulletin.net/5721.html http://www.energybulletin.net/4943.html http://www.energybulletin.net/3757.html http://www.energybulletin.net/7251.html http://www.energybulletin.net/3800.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2005 Report Share Posted July 25, 2005 Plastics from Plants !!! http://www.agwest.sk.ca/education/plastics.php Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2005 Report Share Posted July 25, 2005 Hemp is an ecological plant to grow to make biodiesel. It is good for the soil plus has multiple other uses. I spent a lot of time with my grandparents. My grandfather was born in the 1860s. My grandmother was born in the very late 1800s. They made it a point to teach all the grandkids all that they knew. So, we learn all kinds of scratch cooking, how to build, how to garden, how to use all kinds of tools. My dad was liberated before women's lib was in. He taught my little sister and me to build a car and a motorcycle from the ground up. By age 5 we knew the names of all the wrenches, bolts, nuts, gaskets and how to clean them and by age ten could build a carberator. He was an ex-Navy seal and we learned to swim in the ocean and how to survive if we ever got lost. From the ex's Noni I learned all Italian scratch cooking. I lived in Mexico for awhile and learned scratch tortilla making and other things there. Plus, I was reading by age four and haven't set a book down since. The kidlets say I am a storehouse of useless information--anything you never wanted to know about everything <g> Oh, and the " boyfriend " between the ex and DH was a Green Beret, Special Forces and a survivalist. He was a wealth of information. Plus, I've always been easily bored so have had a lot of different jobs and as Lynda the sponge have absorbed more info from those experiences. <g> Well and living next to HSU and a hop, skip and a jump from Hopland hasn't hurt either. Lynda - " rvijay " <rvijay07 Sunday, July 24, 2005 2:13 PM Re: Exercise: Your Life Without Oil. > You said biofuel is efficient specially with Hemp etc., Still how come > you are prepared so well for life without oil ? > > Thanks. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2005 Report Share Posted July 25, 2005 Lynda , you and do think alike. although I live in the suburbs I have ever spare inch of my yard growing Veggies or fruit the last two years we have gone to local organic growers for tomatoes and olives and have canned everything we need for the year to come. also I buy lentils, soy, red lentils, pintos, brown rice etc... by the 25 kilo bag.. this way there is always plenty of food on hand. also we buy several cases of canned corn, peas, lima, etc... to get best price and to have additional reserves. the objective in the long term is to be able to eat for 2 years without restock... we aren't there yet.. we also have our own bore for water the water is pure comes from an artesian reservoir 33 metres below us. I will be adding solar panels to power this within the year, in addition I would like to get 2-3000 litres of rainwater tanks to catch the rain water as a drinking water back up, and I too have been learning many basic skills over the last 30 years that will increase my chances of survival. it all sounds hard but one step at a time and ..well there ya are ... prepared for the end....lol..... I always hoped it would never come to this but the way things look now I am afraid that the green movement and Vegan movement came about 2 decades too late and we have lost the war to save the planet the way it was, we now need to plan for the way the planet will be, and hope we the meek ( ;o} ) really do inherent the earth.. enjoy awareness Craig PS . Vijay what are you doing to prepare?? Your Life Without Oil.Can I? Yes. Can the majority of those living on this earth? No.Changes? We've already begun most of them because oil IS finite. And, weare teaching all the kidlets. That is one of the reasons we bought thisplace.For starters, we are adding lots of solar to our house, both passive(greenhouse rooms) and regular.We have two creeks, one year round and one seasonal. That gives us both aneasy source of water and a source of power should the local source run intoproblems. We also bought here because the power source IS local, not tiedinto all the big money boys and its source should be stable.We have 12 acres which is sufficient to provide us with food for ourselvesand even all the kidlets if they should need to move here should everythingcollapse because of the world economy revolving around things powered byoil. With that in mind, we use the no-till and square foot gardeningmethods.We've already planted apples, peaches, pears and prune and plum. Plus, weput in about 25' of raspberries and a few marionberries. We've found allthe wild berry batches within a short distance of the house.I'm busy collecting canning jars from yard sales plus we have twodehydrators and are buying one that is solar powered. The seeds we buy areall open pollinated, nothing from anything even raised within 100 miles ofanything Monsanto! We will be saving our own seeds over the next fewseasons.All the kidlets and grandkidlets know how to knit and crochet and arelearning to sew. They are all learning scratch cooking. They'll all belearning to can.Now, a lot of folks could no most of what we have done even in a city lot.The problem is that preparing for the end of oil is usually greated ashysteria. And, most folks being sheople happily listen to the latesttalking head that hasn't a clue and doesn't want to have a clue.Lynda- "rvijay" <rvijay07Sunday, July 24, 2005 8:20 AM Exercise: Your Life Without Oil.> If all oil was finished on Earth then can you still manage to survive> ? How ? What changes will you have to make to your life ? Any other> related info. welcome.>> This will be a good exercise for all.>> Vijay>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2005 Report Share Posted July 25, 2005 Lynda, Hemp is really a wonder planet in a group of wonder plants BUT>>> when we harvest plants we must return something to the soil too as we all know. this is the premise for doubling our farm land OR if everyone was Vegan we have plenty already =o]] Craig Hemp is an ecological plant to grow to make biodiesel. It is good for thesoil plus has multiple other uses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2005 Report Share Posted July 25, 2005 ..... and hope that the vast majority of people who have been unable to plan so well for the future will just sit back and die while you enjoy it - I think they would fight you for it. It might not be nice, but it would most likely happen. Jo , " Craig Dearth " <cd39@e...> wrote: > Lynda , > > you and do think alike. > although I live in the suburbs I have ever spare inch of my yard growing > Veggies or fruit > the last two years we have gone to local organic growers for tomatoes and > olives and have canned everything we need for the year to come. also I buy > lentils, soy, red lentils, pintos, brown rice etc... by the 25 kilo bag.. > this way there is always plenty of food on hand. also we buy several cases > of canned corn, peas, lima, etc... > to get best price and to have additional reserves. > the objective in the long term is to be able to eat for 2 years without > restock... we aren't there yet.. > we also have our own bore for water the water is pure comes from an > artesian reservoir 33 metres below us. I will be adding solar panels to > power this within the year, in addition I would like to get 2-3000 litres of > rainwater tanks to catch the rain water as a drinking water back up, > and I too have been learning many basic skills over the last 30 years > that will increase my chances of survival. > > > it all sounds hard but one step at a time and ..well there ya are ... > prepared for the end....lol..... > > I always hoped it would never come to this but the way things look now I am > afraid that the green movement and Vegan movement came about 2 decades too > late and we have lost the war to save the planet the way it was, we now need > to plan for the way the planet will be, and hope we the meek ( ;o} ) really > do inherent the earth.. > > enjoy awareness > > Craig > > PS . > Vijay > what are you doing to prepare?? > > > Your Life Without Oil. > > > Can I? Yes. Can the majority of those living on this earth? No. > > Changes? We've already begun most of them because oil IS finite. And, we > are teaching all the kidlets. That is one of the reasons we bought this > place. > > For starters, we are adding lots of solar to our house, both passive > (greenhouse rooms) and regular. > > We have two creeks, one year round and one seasonal. That gives us both an > easy source of water and a source of power should the local source run into > problems. We also bought here because the power source IS local, not tied > into all the big money boys and its source should be stable. > > We have 12 acres which is sufficient to provide us with food for ourselves > and even all the kidlets if they should need to move here should everything > collapse because of the world economy revolving around things powered by > oil. With that in mind, we use the no-till and square foot gardening > methods. > > We've already planted apples, peaches, pears and prune and plum. Plus, we > put in about 25' of raspberries and a few marionberries. We've found all > the wild berry batches within a short distance of the house. > > I'm busy collecting canning jars from yard sales plus we have two > dehydrators and are buying one that is solar powered. The seeds we buy are > all open pollinated, nothing from anything even raised within 100 miles of > anything Monsanto! We will be saving our own seeds over the next few > seasons. > > All the kidlets and grandkidlets know how to knit and crochet and are > learning to sew. They are all learning scratch cooking. They'll all be > learning to can. > > Now, a lot of folks could no most of what we have done even in a city lot. > The problem is that preparing for the end of oil is usually greated as > hysteria. And, most folks being sheople happily listen to the latest > talking head that hasn't a clue and doesn't want to have a clue. > > Lynda > - > " rvijay " <rvijay07@m...> > > Sunday, July 24, 2005 8:20 AM > Exercise: Your Life Without Oil. > > > > If all oil was finished on Earth then can you still manage to survive > > ? How ? What changes will you have to make to your life ? Any other > > related info. welcome. > > > > This will be a good exercise for all. > > > > Vijay > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2005 Report Share Posted July 25, 2005 , " Craig Dearth " <cd39@e...> wrote: > PS . > Vijay > what are you doing to prepare?? > Good question. I don't have much resources. Also, I was very ignorant about the future challenges. I am just learning about them now. Some, I was aware but didn't accept them mentally, thought they were false. My best bet would be to work for a homesteader, should such a disaster strike. On the other hand for the next 20 years or so I should be able to survive in a City life my mind tells me. I will be in my 60s then. These are my honest thoughts in this regard. I have to admit openly that compared to you and Lynda I am very unprepared. Only two years ago I learned to make my own bread. Vijay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2005 Report Share Posted July 25, 2005 Welllll, then one moves to someplace like we have moved to. 2.5 miles off a go nowhere road that is closed by snow for part of the year. I have to tell you that there are lots of homesteaders out there that have done this planning and bought WAY off the beaten path. Lynda - " heartwerk " <heartwork Monday, July 25, 2005 4:37 AM Re: Exercise: Your Life Without Oil. > .... and hope that the vast majority of people who have been unable > to plan so well for the future will just sit back and die while you > enjoy it - I think they would fight you for it. It might not be > nice, but it would most likely happen. > > Jo > > , " Craig Dearth " <cd39@e...> wrote: > > Lynda , > > > > you and do think alike. > > although I live in the suburbs I have ever spare inch of my yard > growing > > Veggies or fruit > > the last two years we have gone to local organic growers for > tomatoes and > > olives and have canned everything we need for the year to come. > also I buy > > lentils, soy, red lentils, pintos, brown rice etc... by the 25 kilo > bag.. > > this way there is always plenty of food on hand. also we buy > several cases > > of canned corn, peas, lima, etc... > > to get best price and to have additional reserves. > > the objective in the long term is to be able to eat for 2 years > without > > restock... we aren't there yet.. > > we also have our own bore for water the water is pure comes from an > > artesian reservoir 33 metres below us. I will be adding solar > panels to > > power this within the year, in addition I would like to get 2-3000 > litres of > > rainwater tanks to catch the rain water as a drinking water back up, > > and I too have been learning many basic skills over the last 30 > years > > that will increase my chances of survival. > > > > > > it all sounds hard but one step at a time and ..well there ya > are ... > > prepared for the end....lol..... > > > > I always hoped it would never come to this but the way things look > now I am > > afraid that the green movement and Vegan movement came about 2 > decades too > > late and we have lost the war to save the planet the way it was, we > now need > > to plan for the way the planet will be, and hope we the meek > ( ;o} ) really > > do inherent the earth.. > > > > enjoy awareness > > > > Craig > > > > PS . > > Vijay > > what are you doing to prepare?? > > > > > > Your Life Without Oil. > > > > > > Can I? Yes. Can the majority of those living on this earth? No. > > > > Changes? We've already begun most of them because oil IS finite. > And, we > > are teaching all the kidlets. That is one of the reasons we bought > this > > place. > > > > For starters, we are adding lots of solar to our house, both passive > > (greenhouse rooms) and regular. > > > > We have two creeks, one year round and one seasonal. That gives us > both an > > easy source of water and a source of power should the local source > run into > > problems. We also bought here because the power source IS local, > not tied > > into all the big money boys and its source should be stable. > > > > We have 12 acres which is sufficient to provide us with food for > ourselves > > and even all the kidlets if they should need to move here should > everything > > collapse because of the world economy revolving around things > powered by > > oil. With that in mind, we use the no-till and square foot > gardening > > methods. > > > > We've already planted apples, peaches, pears and prune and plum. > Plus, we > > put in about 25' of raspberries and a few marionberries. We've > found all > > the wild berry batches within a short distance of the house. > > > > I'm busy collecting canning jars from yard sales plus we have two > > dehydrators and are buying one that is solar powered. The seeds we > buy are > > all open pollinated, nothing from anything even raised within 100 > miles of > > anything Monsanto! We will be saving our own seeds over the next > few > > seasons. > > > > All the kidlets and grandkidlets know how to knit and crochet and > are > > learning to sew. They are all learning scratch cooking. They'll > all be > > learning to can. > > > > Now, a lot of folks could no most of what we have done even in a > city lot. > > The problem is that preparing for the end of oil is usually greated > as > > hysteria. And, most folks being sheople happily listen to the > latest > > talking head that hasn't a clue and doesn't want to have a clue. > > > > Lynda > > - > > " rvijay " <rvijay07@m...> > > > > Sunday, July 24, 2005 8:20 AM > > Exercise: Your Life Without Oil. > > > > > > > If all oil was finished on Earth then can you still manage to > survive > > > ? How ? What changes will you have to make to your life ? Any > other > > > related info. welcome. > > > > > > This will be a good exercise for all. > > > > > > Vijay > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To send an email to - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2005 Report Share Posted July 25, 2005 Hi Lynda > Welllll, then one moves to someplace like we have moved to. 2.5 miles off > a go nowhere road that is closed by snow for part of the year. > I have to tell you that there are lots of homesteaders out there that have > done this planning and bought WAY off the beaten path. Of course, when oil runs out, pretty much anywhere will seem like " way off the beaten path " !!! BB Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2005 Report Share Posted July 26, 2005 I remember seeing a series here called 'Survivors' where the remnants of the people managed to build up a new community with food etc. and after a while the ones who hadn't managed wanted to 'share' the food and got quite aggressive. Then the people who had organised themselves into an 'army' came and took over - to distribute the food fairly! Jo , " Lynda " <lurine@s...> wrote: > Welllll, then one moves to someplace like we have moved to. 2.5 miles off > a go nowhere road that is closed by snow for part of the year. > > I have to tell you that there are lots of homesteaders out there that have > done this planning and bought WAY off the beaten path. > > Lynda > - > " heartwerk " <heartwork@c...> > > Monday, July 25, 2005 4:37 AM > Re: Exercise: Your Life Without Oil. > > > > .... and hope that the vast majority of people who have been unable > > to plan so well for the future will just sit back and die while you > > enjoy it - I think they would fight you for it. It might not be > > nice, but it would most likely happen. > > > > Jo > > > > , " Craig Dearth " <cd39@e...> wrote: > > > Lynda , > > > > > > you and do think alike. > > > although I live in the suburbs I have ever spare inch of my yard > > growing > > > Veggies or fruit > > > the last two years we have gone to local organic growers for > > tomatoes and > > > olives and have canned everything we need for the year to come. > > also I buy > > > lentils, soy, red lentils, pintos, brown rice etc... by the 25 kilo > > bag.. > > > this way there is always plenty of food on hand. also we buy > > several cases > > > of canned corn, peas, lima, etc... > > > to get best price and to have additional reserves. > > > the objective in the long term is to be able to eat for 2 years > > without > > > restock... we aren't there yet.. > > > we also have our own bore for water the water is pure comes from an > > > artesian reservoir 33 metres below us. I will be adding solar > > panels to > > > power this within the year, in addition I would like to get 2- 3000 > > litres of > > > rainwater tanks to catch the rain water as a drinking water back up, > > > and I too have been learning many basic skills over the last 30 > > years > > > that will increase my chances of survival. > > > > > > > > > it all sounds hard but one step at a time and ..well there ya > > are ... > > > prepared for the end....lol..... > > > > > > I always hoped it would never come to this but the way things look > > now I am > > > afraid that the green movement and Vegan movement came about 2 > > decades too > > > late and we have lost the war to save the planet the way it was, we > > now need > > > to plan for the way the planet will be, and hope we the meek > > ( ;o} ) really > > > do inherent the earth.. > > > > > > enjoy awareness > > > > > > Craig > > > > > > PS . > > > Vijay > > > what are you doing to prepare?? > > > > > > > > > Your Life Without Oil. > > > > > > > > > Can I? Yes. Can the majority of those living on this earth? No. > > > > > > Changes? We've already begun most of them because oil IS finite. > > And, we > > > are teaching all the kidlets. That is one of the reasons we bought > > this > > > place. > > > > > > For starters, we are adding lots of solar to our house, both passive > > > (greenhouse rooms) and regular. > > > > > > We have two creeks, one year round and one seasonal. That gives us > > both an > > > easy source of water and a source of power should the local source > > run into > > > problems. We also bought here because the power source IS local, > > not tied > > > into all the big money boys and its source should be stable. > > > > > > We have 12 acres which is sufficient to provide us with food for > > ourselves > > > and even all the kidlets if they should need to move here should > > everything > > > collapse because of the world economy revolving around things > > powered by > > > oil. With that in mind, we use the no-till and square foot > > gardening > > > methods. > > > > > > We've already planted apples, peaches, pears and prune and plum. > > Plus, we > > > put in about 25' of raspberries and a few marionberries. We've > > found all > > > the wild berry batches within a short distance of the house. > > > > > > I'm busy collecting canning jars from yard sales plus we have two > > > dehydrators and are buying one that is solar powered. The seeds we > > buy are > > > all open pollinated, nothing from anything even raised within 100 > > miles of > > > anything Monsanto! We will be saving our own seeds over the next > > few > > > seasons. > > > > > > All the kidlets and grandkidlets know how to knit and crochet and > > are > > > learning to sew. They are all learning scratch cooking. They'll > > all be > > > learning to can. > > > > > > Now, a lot of folks could no most of what we have done even in a > > city lot. > > > The problem is that preparing for the end of oil is usually greated > > as > > > hysteria. And, most folks being sheople happily listen to the > > latest > > > talking head that hasn't a clue and doesn't want to have a clue. > > > > > > Lynda > > > - > > > " rvijay " <rvijay07@m...> > > > > > > Sunday, July 24, 2005 8:20 AM > > > Exercise: Your Life Without Oil. > > > > > > > > > > If all oil was finished on Earth then can you still manage to > > survive > > > > ? How ? What changes will you have to make to your life ? Any > > other > > > > related info. welcome. > > > > > > > > This will be a good exercise for all. > > > > > > > > Vijay > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To send an email to - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2005 Report Share Posted July 26, 2005 Generally speaking the folks who are homesteaders are in communities that are pretty self-sufficient to begin with. They are also pretty well armed and know how to use those guns. The premise of the series wouldn't work unless those who worked for their survival weren't survivalists to begin with. Besides, what is " fair " about those who do nothing getting that which others have worked for? If folks want to survive then folks should have gotten off their duffs and worked for it instead of organizing to take what they wanted without working. Hardly what I'd call " fair. " Lynda - " heartwerk " <heartwork > I remember seeing a series here called 'Survivors' where the remnants > of the people managed to build up a new community with food etc. and > after a while the ones who hadn't managed wanted to 'share' the food > and got quite aggressive. Then the people who had organised > themselves into an 'army' came and took over - to distribute the food > fairly! > > Jo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2005 Report Share Posted July 26, 2005 I agree - which is why I put a ! after fairly :-) Jo , " Lynda " <lurine@s...> wrote: > Generally speaking the folks who are homesteaders are in communities that > are pretty self-sufficient to begin with. They are also pretty well armed > and know how to use those guns. > > The premise of the series wouldn't work unless those who worked for their > survival weren't survivalists to begin with. > > Besides, what is " fair " about those who do nothing getting that which others > have worked for? If folks want to survive then folks should have gotten off > their duffs and worked for it instead of organizing to take what they wanted > without working. > > Hardly what I'd call " fair. " > > Lynda > - > " heartwerk " <heartwork@c...> > > > > I remember seeing a series here called 'Survivors' where the remnants > > of the people managed to build up a new community with food etc. and > > after a while the ones who hadn't managed wanted to 'share' the food > > and got quite aggressive. Then the people who had organised > > themselves into an 'army' came and took over - to distribute the food > > fairly! > > > > Jo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2005 Report Share Posted July 26, 2005 Another thought on the 'fair' part - of course, it could be that these people who haven't become self-sufficient have been working hard making the cars, spares, freezers, air conditioners, tools, household items, computers, telephones, televisions, stereos, cds, toiletries, books, cameras, pens, paper, toilets, baths, etc. etc. etc. that you have been using, and as they have worked for your benefit ................................................................. Jo , " Lynda " <lurine@s...> wrote: > Generally speaking the folks who are homesteaders are in communities that > are pretty self-sufficient to begin with. They are also pretty well armed > and know how to use those guns. > > The premise of the series wouldn't work unless those who worked for their > survival weren't survivalists to begin with. > > Besides, what is " fair " about those who do nothing getting that which others > have worked for? If folks want to survive then folks should have gotten off > their duffs and worked for it instead of organizing to take what they wanted > without working. > > Hardly what I'd call " fair. " > > Lynda > - > " heartwerk " <heartwork@c...> > > > > I remember seeing a series here called 'Survivors' where the remnants > > of the people managed to build up a new community with food etc. and > > after a while the ones who hadn't managed wanted to 'share' the food > > and got quite aggressive. Then the people who had organised > > themselves into an 'army' came and took over - to distribute the food > > fairly! > > > > Jo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2005 Report Share Posted July 26, 2005 Well, that cuts both ways. I also worked to keep them healthy (radiology), to get them back to work (Nursing Services Coordinator at a rehab hosp) and helped them when they didn't have the money to do things for themselves (grant planning, volunteering as a paralegal). However, I made it a point to pay attention and look beyond the next pay check. I took what my grandparents taught me and added to it. Almost every homesteader I've ever known or met or heard about has worked and while working planned beyond that next pay check. They have all planned so they wouldn't need a pay check and learned what they needed to know OR made it a point to get to know folks who knew how to do stuff they didn't so if the time comes they could barter. Unfortunately, most folks have forgotten the Boy Scout motto and have bought into the whole nanny state thing. We're in for an interesting ride. Lynda - " heartwerk " <heartwork Tuesday, July 26, 2005 11:12 AM Re: Exercise: Your Life Without Oil. > Another thought on the 'fair' part - of course, it could be that these > people who haven't become self-sufficient have been working hard > making the cars, spares, freezers, air conditioners, tools, household > items, computers, telephones, televisions, stereos, cds, toiletries, > books, cameras, pens, paper, toilets, baths, etc. etc. etc. that you > have been using, and as they have worked for your benefit > ................................................................ > > Jo > > > , " Lynda " <lurine@s...> wrote: > > Generally speaking the folks who are homesteaders are in communities > that > > are pretty self-sufficient to begin with. They are also pretty well > armed > > and know how to use those guns. > > > > The premise of the series wouldn't work unless those who worked for > their > > survival weren't survivalists to begin with. > > > > Besides, what is " fair " about those who do nothing getting that > which others > > have worked for? If folks want to survive then folks should have > gotten off > > their duffs and worked for it instead of organizing to take what > they wanted > > without working. > > > > Hardly what I'd call " fair. " > > > > Lynda > > - > > " heartwerk " <heartwork@c...> > > > > > > > I remember seeing a series here called 'Survivors' where the remnants > > > of the people managed to build up a new community with food etc. and > > > after a while the ones who hadn't managed wanted to 'share' the food > > > and got quite aggressive. Then the people who had organised > > > themselves into an 'army' came and took over - to distribute the food > > > fairly! > > > > > > Jo > > > > > > To send an email to - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2005 Report Share Posted July 27, 2005 Maybe it is easier in the States to buy a large area of land. In Britain, we are such a little island with quite a large population and most people are lucky to have a postage stamp garden. This probably accounts for the different perceptions of what is possible. Jo , " Lynda " <lurine@s...> wrote: > Well, that cuts both ways. I also worked to keep them healthy (radiology), > to get them back to work (Nursing Services Coordinator at a rehab hosp) and > helped them when they didn't have the money to do things for themselves > (grant planning, volunteering as a paralegal). However, I made it a point > to pay attention and look beyond the next pay check. I took what my > grandparents taught me and added to it. > > Almost every homesteader I've ever known or met or heard about has worked > and while working planned beyond that next pay check. They have all planned > so they wouldn't need a pay check and learned what they needed to know OR > made it a point to get to know folks who knew how to do stuff they didn't so > if the time comes they could barter. > > Unfortunately, most folks have forgotten the Boy Scout motto and have bought > into the whole nanny state thing. > > We're in for an interesting ride. > > Lynda > - > " heartwerk " <heartwork@c...> > > Tuesday, July 26, 2005 11:12 AM > Re: Exercise: Your Life Without Oil. > > > > Another thought on the 'fair' part - of course, it could be that these > > people who haven't become self-sufficient have been working hard > > making the cars, spares, freezers, air conditioners, tools, household > > items, computers, telephones, televisions, stereos, cds, toiletries, > > books, cameras, pens, paper, toilets, baths, etc. etc. etc. that you > > have been using, and as they have worked for your benefit > > ................................................................ > > > > Jo > > > > > > , " Lynda " <lurine@s...> wrote: > > > Generally speaking the folks who are homesteaders are in communities > > that > > > are pretty self-sufficient to begin with. They are also pretty well > > armed > > > and know how to use those guns. > > > > > > The premise of the series wouldn't work unless those who worked for > > their > > > survival weren't survivalists to begin with. > > > > > > Besides, what is " fair " about those who do nothing getting that > > which others > > > have worked for? If folks want to survive then folks should have > > gotten off > > > their duffs and worked for it instead of organizing to take what > > they wanted > > > without working. > > > > > > Hardly what I'd call " fair. " > > > > > > Lynda > > > - > > > " heartwerk " <heartwork@c...> > > > > > > > > > > I remember seeing a series here called 'Survivors' where the remnants > > > > of the people managed to build up a new community with food etc. and > > > > after a while the ones who hadn't managed wanted to 'share' the food > > > > and got quite aggressive. Then the people who had organised > > > > themselves into an 'army' came and took over - to distribute the food > > > > fairly! > > > > > > > > Jo > > > > > > > > > > > > To send an email to - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2005 Report Share Posted July 27, 2005 What about community gardens? Square foot gardening? Container gardening? I know of at least one family in the L.A. area that grows enough food for a family of 4 in their backyard! For example, as folks look at the square footage of their " yard " and say, " nope, not enough room, " did y'all know you can hang buckets and punch a hole in the bottom. Plant your plants in the hole and things like cucumbers and tomatoes will grow quite nicely has a hanging plant! Just a thought. I think folks need to explore thinking outside the box more. Lynda - " heartwerk " <heartwork Tuesday, July 26, 2005 11:43 PM Re: Exercise: Your Life Without Oil. > Maybe it is easier in the States to buy a large area of land. In > Britain, we are such a little island with quite a large population > and most people are lucky to have a postage stamp garden. This > probably accounts for the different perceptions of what is possible. > > Jo > > , " Lynda " <lurine@s...> wrote: > > Well, that cuts both ways. I also worked to keep them healthy > (radiology), > > to get them back to work (Nursing Services Coordinator at a rehab > hosp) and > > helped them when they didn't have the money to do things for > themselves > > (grant planning, volunteering as a paralegal). However, I made it > a point > > to pay attention and look beyond the next pay check. I took what my > > grandparents taught me and added to it. > > > > Almost every homesteader I've ever known or met or heard about has > worked > > and while working planned beyond that next pay check. They have > all planned > > so they wouldn't need a pay check and learned what they needed to > know OR > > made it a point to get to know folks who knew how to do stuff they > didn't so > > if the time comes they could barter. > > > > Unfortunately, most folks have forgotten the Boy Scout motto and > have bought > > into the whole nanny state thing. > > > > We're in for an interesting ride. > > > > Lynda > > - > > " heartwerk " <heartwork@c...> > > > > Tuesday, July 26, 2005 11:12 AM > > Re: Exercise: Your Life Without Oil. > > > > > > > Another thought on the 'fair' part - of course, it could be that > these > > > people who haven't become self-sufficient have been working hard > > > making the cars, spares, freezers, air conditioners, tools, > household > > > items, computers, telephones, televisions, stereos, cds, > toiletries, > > > books, cameras, pens, paper, toilets, baths, etc. etc. etc. that > you > > > have been using, and as they have worked for your benefit > > > ................................................................ > > > > > > Jo > > > > > > > > > , " Lynda " <lurine@s...> wrote: > > > > Generally speaking the folks who are homesteaders are in > communities > > > that > > > > are pretty self-sufficient to begin with. They are also pretty > well > > > armed > > > > and know how to use those guns. > > > > > > > > The premise of the series wouldn't work unless those who worked > for > > > their > > > > survival weren't survivalists to begin with. > > > > > > > > Besides, what is " fair " about those who do nothing getting that > > > which others > > > > have worked for? If folks want to survive then folks should > have > > > gotten off > > > > their duffs and worked for it instead of organizing to take what > > > they wanted > > > > without working. > > > > > > > > Hardly what I'd call " fair. " > > > > > > > > Lynda > > > > - > > > > " heartwerk " <heartwork@c...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I remember seeing a series here called 'Survivors' where the > remnants > > > > > of the people managed to build up a new community with food > etc. and > > > > > after a while the ones who hadn't managed wanted to 'share' > the food > > > > > and got quite aggressive. Then the people who had organised > > > > > themselves into an 'army' came and took over - to distribute > the food > > > > > fairly! > > > > > > > > > > Jo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To send an email to - > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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