Guest guest Posted August 7, 2005 Report Share Posted August 7, 2005 Lynda I don't understand what you are saying here. PETA has accomplished a lot. They have made a huge difference for animals. If you have ever gotten one of their calendars you can see what they have accomplished. And you say they got more $$$, but doesn't an organization get more money by those who support them? I heard that PETA has 100,000 more members in the last year or so. They are doing something right! Plus, whenever PETA gets involved in any animal abuse situation they are feared and companies don't want to deal with them. They have put animal rights on the map...where would AR be without PETA? To say that WW2 didn't stop all the killing...well, that's not a reasonable expectation, is it? The goal of getting Hitler out of power was accomplished...and so was the goal of freeing those in concentration camps. Soliel In a message dated 8/7/05 5:28:34 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, writes: Message: 14 Sun, 7 Aug 2005 15:41:34 -0700 "Lynda" <lurineRe: Your imput pleaseNo it isn't and you haven't demonstrated that as the only way. You haven'tanswered the question about slavery which was part and parcel of your"demonstration."And, PETA has accomplished what? They have made themselves lots of moneyand they don't put their money where their mouth is, ya know, walk the walkor they wouldn't spend time and money on euthenizing pets.Raising hell may have gotten the vote but women didn't really get the voteand there is no equality. Raising hell may have brought about prohibitionbut it didn't last and created more problems than it cured.The Immancipation Proclamation may have *supposedly" ended slavery but itdidn't and discrimination still hasn't stopped and the change is mostlysurface.WWII may have stopped Hitler but it hasn't stopped the killing. The changeis now the money is going to Sharron and crew and they are doing the killingnot the ones being killed. Genocide simply shifted sides.No kill shelters have come about because, in the majority at least here, wetugged at heart strings and made people cry, we didn't attack them. It ishow we get the $$ to support the shelters.Again, one needs to know their audience.Lynda, remembering the impatience of youth.- "Peter" <metalscarabSunday, August 07, 2005 2:03 PMRe: Your imput please> Hi Mike>> > 1) "There is no well laid plan to exterminate a whole segment of life.">> I've asked this about 6 times now, but no-one has yet taken up the> opportunity to answer... what difference does the motivation make to the> individuals who are tortured and killed?>> > 2) "But, the bottomline is that using inflamatory statements stops all> communication. ">> As I believe I have already amply demonstrated, making peopleuncomfortable> is the only way they change their views.>> BB> Peter>>>>> To send an email to - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2005 Report Share Posted August 8, 2005 well..as fer WWII..at no point was the war about liberating those in concentration camps.... liberation of the camps didn't happen until the end of the war...and american firms helped in some of the key aspects of the camps(IBM) somedays i really wish everything would be bloody black and white but, no, everything is complicated and convoluted and and and and.. the world gives me a headache..... lv2breathe Aug 7, 2005 7:43 PM Cc: Lv2breathe Re: Digest Number 1900 Lynda I don't understand what you are saying here. PETA has accomplished a lot. They have made a huge difference for animals. If you have ever gotten one of their calendars you can see what they have accomplished. And you say they got more $$$, but doesn't an organization get more money by those who support them? I heard that PETA has 100,000 more members in the last year or so. They are doing something right! Plus, whenever PETA gets involved in any animal abuse situation they are feared and companies don't want to deal with them. They have put animal rights on the map...where would AR be without PETA? To say that WW2 didn't stop all the killing...well, that's not a reasonable expectation, is it? The goal of getting Hitler out of power was accomplished...and so was the goal of freeing those in concentration camps. Soliel In a message dated 8/7/05 5:28:34 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, writes: Message: 14 “If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face – forever†-George Orwell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2005 Report Share Posted August 8, 2005 Hi Fraggle > well..as fer WWII..at no point was the war about liberating those in concentration camps.... > liberation of the camps didn't happen until the end of the war...and american firms helped in some of the key aspects of the > camps(IBM) Hey, and don't forget good 'ole IG Farben... or as they are now known "Monsanto". BB Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2005 Report Share Posted August 8, 2005 Intrigued... What did IBM do? Churchill actually suppressed information about the camps during the war because he thought (possibly quite rightly) that it would undermine the war effort. Yes, you read that right.... Mike On Behalf Of Peter08 August 2005 18:41 Subject: Re: Digest Number 1900 Hi Fraggle > well..as fer WWII..at no point was the war about liberating those in concentration camps.... > liberation of the camps didn't happen until the end of the war...and american firms helped in some of the key aspects of the > camps(IBM) Hey, and don't forget good 'ole IG Farben... or as they are now known "Monsanto". BB PeterTo send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2005 Report Share Posted August 8, 2005 I agree. The world is complicated. Jo - fraggle Monday, August 08, 2005 6:09 PM Re: Digest Number 1900 well..as fer WWII..at no point was the war about liberating those in concentration camps.... liberation of the camps didn't happen until the end of the war...and american firms helped in some of the key aspects of the camps(IBM) somedays i really wish everything would be bloody black and white but, no, everything is complicated and convoluted and and and and.. the world gives me a headache..... lv2breathe Aug 7, 2005 7:43 PM Cc: Lv2breathe Re: Digest Number 1900 Lynda I don't understand what you are saying here. PETA has accomplished a lot. They have made a huge difference for animals. If you have ever gotten one of their calendars you can see what they have accomplished. And you say they got more $$$, but doesn't an organization get more money by those who support them? I heard that PETA has 100,000 more members in the last year or so. They are doing something right! Plus, whenever PETA gets involved in any animal abuse situation they are feared and companies don't want to deal with them. They have put animal rights on the map...where would AR be without PETA? To say that WW2 didn't stop all the killing...well, that's not a reasonable expectation, is it? The goal of getting Hitler out of power was accomplished...and so was the goal of freeing those in concentration camps. Soliel In a message dated 8/7/05 5:28:34 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, writes: Message: 14 “If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face – forever†-George Orwell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2005 Report Share Posted August 8, 2005 The rest of the world didn't even know the concentration camps existed until after the fall of Hitler and Allied forces discovered them. Love, Anna - fraggle 8/8/2005 11:10:04 AM Re: Digest Number 1900 well..as fer WWII..at no point was the war about liberating those in concentration camps.... liberation of the camps didn't happen until the end of the war...and american firms helped in some of the key aspects of the camps(IBM) somedays i really wish everything would be bloody black and white but, no, everything is complicated and convoluted and and and and.. the world gives me a headache..... lv2breathe Aug 7, 2005 7:43 PM Cc: Lv2breathe Re: Digest Number 1900 Lynda I don't understand what you are saying here. PETA has accomplished a lot. They have made a huge difference for animals. If you have ever gotten one of their calendars you can see what they have accomplished. And you say they got more $$$, but doesn't an organization get more money by those who support them? I heard that PETA has 100,000 more members in the last year or so. They are doing something right! Plus, whenever PETA gets involved in any animal abuse situation they are feared and companies don't want to deal with them. They have put animal rights on the map...where would AR be without PETA? To say that WW2 didn't stop all the killing...well, that's not a reasonable expectation, is it? The goal of getting Hitler out of power was accomplished...and so was the goal of freeing those in concentration camps. Soliel In a message dated 8/7/05 5:28:34 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, writes: Message: 14 “If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face – forever†-George Orwell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2005 Report Share Posted August 8, 2005 well...semi-true much of the rest of the world didn't care much fer a long time i mean..Dachau opened fer business in 1933! at first they were lockin up and murdering communists and socialists, so especially in the US, it made little if any waves... Anna Blaine Aug 8, 2005 12:02 PM Re: Digest Number 1900 The rest of the world didn't even know the concentration camps existed until after the fall of Hitler and Allied forces discovered them. Love, Anna - fraggle 8/8/2005 11:10:04 AM Re: Digest Number 1900 well..as fer WWII..at no point was the war about liberating those in concentration camps.... liberation of the camps didn't happen until the end of the war...and american firms helped in some of the key aspects of the camps(IBM) somedays i really wish everything would be bloody black and white but, no, everything is complicated and convoluted and and and and.. the world gives me a headache..... lv2breathe Aug 7, 2005 7:43 PM Cc: Lv2breathe Re: Digest Number 1900 Lynda I don't understand what you are saying here. PETA has accomplished a lot. They have made a huge difference for animals. If you have ever gotten one of their calendars you can see what they have accomplished. And you say they got more $$$, but doesn't an organization get more money by those who support them? I heard that PETA has 100,000 more members in the last year or so. They are doing something right! Plus, whenever PETA gets involved in any animal abuse situation they are feared and companies don't want to deal with them. They have put animal rights on the map...where would AR be without PETA? To say that WW2 didn't stop all the killing...well, that's not a reasonable expectation, is it? The goal of getting Hitler out of power was accomplished...and so was the goal of freeing those in concentration camps. Soliel In a message dated 8/7/05 5:28:34 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, writes: Message: 14 âIf you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face â foreverâ -George Orwell To send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 9, 2005 Report Share Posted August 9, 2005 Hi Michael > Intrigued... What did IBM do? IBM provided the cataloguing and filing systems for the concentration camps. It is an unfortunate truth that their work in this regard led directly to the computer revolution, since the basis of modern computing technology was formed in their efforts for Nazi Germany! > Churchill actually suppressed information about the camps during the war because he thought (possibly quite rightly) that it > would undermine the war effort. It doesn't suprise me at all. Churchill wasn't exactly the nicest of people.... it is strangely ironic that everything our governments complained about Saddam Hussein doing in Iraq (flattening villages where political oponents lived, developing WMDs, gassing kurds) were all done 50 years earlier by Churchill... it strikes me as odd that one is a national hero, and the other the most evil man in the world. Certainly a striking example of how the victors write the history! BB Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 9, 2005 Report Share Posted August 9, 2005 a whole slew of major US corporations dealt with hitler, right thru the war... Ford(hitler and henry ford had a friendship, and ford plants in germany were some of the few not taken over by the german government outright)(henry ford even was given a high german medal by hitler), Gm, the duPont family(makers of everything from chemicals to fire arms), Standard Oil, (standard oil patents were actually taken away at one point by the US government, but crumbled after Standard Oil threatened to cut off supplies to US soldiers), ITT, and a large number of banks, like chase and JP Morgan and of course Prescott Bush's company brown brothers harriman...prescott is dubya's grandpappy lets not forget that these same companies claimed and GOT compensation when allied planes blew up their plants in Germany....GM got something like $33 MILLION... where's my flag...... Peter Aug 8, 2005 5:12 PM Re: Digest Number 1900 Hi Michael > Intrigued... What did IBM do? IBM provided the cataloguing and filing systems for the concentration camps. It is an unfortunate truth that their work in this regard led directly to the computer revolution, since the basis of modern computing technology was formed in their efforts for Nazi Germany! > Churchill actually suppressed information about the camps during the war because he thought (possibly quite rightly) that it > would undermine the war effort. It doesn't suprise me at all. Churchill wasn't exactly the nicest of people.... it is strangely ironic that everything our governments complained about Saddam Hussein doing in Iraq (flattening villages where political oponents lived, developing WMDs, gassing kurds) were all done 50 years earlier by Churchill... it strikes me as odd that one is a national hero, and the other the most evil man in the world. Certainly a striking example of how the victors write the history! BB Peter To send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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