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Guest guest Posted August 9, 2005 Report Share Posted August 9, 2005 It's propaganda. Some truth in there obviously, but lots of negative spin. Michael On Behalf Of rvijay 09 August 2005 08:02 True Facts About PETA from a site: What do you think of this ? Comments welcome: http://www.activistcash.com/organization_overview.cfm/oid/21 Vijay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 9, 2005 Report Share Posted August 9, 2005 we've already been over this the guy who runs the site is a PR hack for big tobacco, fast food companies and big aggro biz.... rvijay <rvijay07 Aug 9, 2005 12:01 AM True Facts About PETA from a site: What do you think of this ? Comments welcome: http://www.activistcash.com/organization_overview.cfm/oid/21 Vijay To send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2005 Report Share Posted August 10, 2005 Ah, but they do run the equivalent of a kill shelter. I haven't finished checking out what else he had to say. Lynda - " fraggle " <EBbrewpunx Tuesday, August 09, 2005 9:11 AM Re: True Facts About PETA from a site: > we've already been over this > the guy who runs the site is a PR hack for big tobacco, fast food companies and big aggro biz.... > > > rvijay <rvijay07 > Aug 9, 2005 12:01 AM > > True Facts About PETA from a site: > > What do you think of this ? Comments welcome: > > http://www.activistcash.com/organization_overview.cfm/oid/21 > > Vijay To send an email to - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2005 Report Share Posted August 11, 2005 If the chap is working for fast food companies he will want to do everything he can to discredit PETA and any other successful animal rights group. Jo , " Lynda " <lurine@s...> wrote: > Ah, but they do run the equivalent of a kill shelter. I haven't finished > checking out what else he had to say. > > Lynda > - > " fraggle " <EBbrewpunx@e...> > > Tuesday, August 09, 2005 9:11 AM > Re: True Facts About PETA from a site: > > > > we've already been over this > > the guy who runs the site is a PR hack for big tobacco, fast food > companies and big aggro biz.... > > > > > > rvijay <rvijay07@m...> > > Aug 9, 2005 12:01 AM > > > > True Facts About PETA from a site: > > > > What do you think of this ? Comments welcome: > > > > http://www.activistcash.com/organization_overview.cfm/oid/21 > > > > Vijay > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To send an email to - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2005 Report Share Posted August 11, 2005 Yes, I'm sure he would which is why I don't accept what he has written at face value. I used to do a lot of work for the feds, worked for a city and worked for some lawyers (famous and enfamous <g>). I have " sources " and lots of experience investigating stuff. I won't accept any of it until I can verify what is said. However, the no-kill shelter part of it is true. The only way PETA gets around saying they don't run a shelter is because it isn't actually a shelter. They go out pick up animals, make no attempt at placement and immediately euthenise them. They easily have the funds and the fundraising abilities to run a no-kill shelter. They choose not. They choose to be a kill " shelter. " The spokes person for them was all about excuses when this broke on the news about a month ago. They don't have a " shelter, " they don't have the time, none of the animals were worth saving, they are helping people, the animals were old, blah, blah, blah. Well, the folks that thought " PETA = save animals " were aghast when they found out. The ones that took their animals to them personally thought they were going to find them homes. The two local shelters that referred animals to them thought they were going to find them homes. And the one shelter gave a list of ages because the head honcho was livid. The animals weren't old, they ranged from a few weeks to 4 years. Lynda - heartwerk <heartwork Wednesday, August 10, 2005 11:37 PM Re: True Facts About PETA from a site: > If the chap is working for fast food companies he will want to do > everything he can to discredit PETA and any other successful animal > rights group. > > Jo > > , " Lynda " <lurine@s...> wrote: > > Ah, but they do run the equivalent of a kill shelter. I haven't > finished > > checking out what else he had to say. > > > > Lynda > > - > > " fraggle " <EBbrewpunx@e...> > > > > Tuesday, August 09, 2005 9:11 AM > > Re: True Facts About PETA from a site: > > > > > > > we've already been over this > > > the guy who runs the site is a PR hack for big tobacco, fast food > > companies and big aggro biz.... > > > > > > > > > rvijay <rvijay07@m...> > > > Aug 9, 2005 12:01 AM > > > > > > True Facts About PETA from a site: > > > > > > What do you think of this ? Comments welcome: > > > > > > http://www.activistcash.com/organization_overview.cfm/oid/21 > > > > > > Vijay > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To send an email to - > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2005 Report Share Posted August 12, 2005 You can read about PETA's position on euthansia etc. at www.askcarla.com Here's the specific answer they give. " Every day in the United States, tens of thousands of puppies and kittens are born. Compare this to the 11,000 human births each day, and it’s clear that there can never be enough homes for all these animals. Shelters are stuck with the heartrending job of dealing with animals nobody wants. Those who refuse to spay and neuter their animals, who abandon animals when they grow tired of them, and who patronize pet shops instead of adopting stray or shelter animals make euthanasia a tragic necessity. " That's the logic, but frankly I couldn't give a damn about it and won't give funds to PETA for as long as that practice is in place. Cheers Mike On Behalf Of Lynda 11 August 2005 14:39 Re: Re: True Facts About PETA from a site: Yes, I'm sure he would which is why I don't accept what he has written at face value. I used to do a lot of work for the feds, worked for a city and worked for some lawyers (famous and enfamous <g>). I have " sources " and lots of experience investigating stuff. I won't accept any of it until I can verify what is said. However, the no-kill shelter part of it is true. The only way PETA gets around saying they don't run a shelter is because it isn't actually a shelter. They go out pick up animals, make no attempt at placement and immediately euthenise them. They easily have the funds and the fundraising abilities to run a no-kill shelter. They choose not. They choose to be a kill " shelter. " The spokes person for them was all about excuses when this broke on the news about a month ago. They don't have a " shelter, " they don't have the time, none of the animals were worth saving, they are helping people, the animals were old, blah, blah, blah. Well, the folks that thought " PETA = save animals " were aghast when they found out. The ones that took their animals to them personally thought they were going to find them homes. The two local shelters that referred animals to them thought they were going to find them homes. And the one shelter gave a list of ages because the head honcho was livid. The animals weren't old, they ranged from a few weeks to 4 years. Lynda - heartwerk <heartwork Wednesday, August 10, 2005 11:37 PM Re: True Facts About PETA from a site: > If the chap is working for fast food companies he will want to do > everything he can to discredit PETA and any other successful animal > rights group. > > Jo > > , " Lynda " <lurine@s...> wrote: > > Ah, but they do run the equivalent of a kill shelter. I haven't > finished > > checking out what else he had to say. > > > > Lynda > > - > > " fraggle " <EBbrewpunx@e...> > > > > Tuesday, August 09, 2005 9:11 AM > > Re: True Facts About PETA from a site: > > > > > > > we've already been over this > > > the guy who runs the site is a PR hack for big tobacco, fast food > > companies and big aggro biz.... > > > > > > > > > rvijay <rvijay07@m...> > > > Aug 9, 2005 12:01 AM > > > > > > True Facts About PETA from a site: > > > > > > What do you think of this ? Comments welcome: > > > > > > http://www.activistcash.com/organization_overview.cfm/oid/21 > > > > > > Vijay > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To send an email to - > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2005 Report Share Posted August 12, 2005 The answer is education, education, education and free neutering clinics. We did one in our area. Put the forms out at the local welfare office and people came in droves. We gave out vouchers and had at least one vet in each city working with the program. The guesstamation is that we stopped the birth of thousands and the resulting dumps and deaths from unwanted puppies and kittens. We've convinced local pet shops not to sell puppy mill puppies. They have shelter days instead. We've encouraged local feed stores not to sell baby chicks and bunnies at Easter. We do our own fundraising, park infront of places like Costco with a sign asking for bags of dog and cat food and that is how we keep the expense down for the volunteers that take the hard to place critters so that the shelter can continue to be a no kill shelter. The only critters we've put to sleep (and it has been put to sleep while someone holds them, pets them and talks to them) have been those with terminal illnesses. It never ceases to amaze me that people will have FiFi or Fido for 10 years or more and the minute they get ill or there are vet expenses they drive out and dump them at shelter. Far too many have waited so long that something that could be treated is end-stage. ~~sigh~~ Wish we had just a small amount of PETA's budget. We could turn all the shelters into no-kill shelters. Education doesn't cost all that much money. Lynda - " Michael Benis " <michael.benis Friday, August 12, 2005 3:31 AM RE: Re: True Facts About PETA from a site: > You can read about PETA's position on euthansia etc. at www.askcarla.com > > Here's the specific answer they give. > > " Every day in the United States, tens of thousands of puppies and kittens > are born. Compare this to the 11,000 human births each day, and it's clear > that there can never be enough homes for all these animals. Shelters are > stuck with the heartrending job of dealing with animals nobody wants. Those > who refuse to spay and neuter their animals, who abandon animals when they > grow tired of them, and who patronize pet shops instead of adopting stray or > shelter animals make euthanasia a tragic necessity. " > > That's the logic, but frankly I couldn't give a damn about it and won't give > funds to PETA for as long as that practice is in place. > > Cheers > > Mike > > > > > On > Behalf Of Lynda > 11 August 2005 14:39 > > Re: Re: True Facts About PETA from a site: > > Yes, I'm sure he would which is why I don't accept what he has written at > face value. I used to do a lot of work for the feds, worked for a city and > worked for some lawyers (famous and enfamous <g>). I have " sources " and > lots of experience investigating stuff. > > I won't accept any of it until I can verify what is said. However, the > no-kill shelter part of it is true. The only way PETA gets around saying > they don't run a shelter is because it isn't actually a shelter. They go > out pick up animals, make no attempt at placement and immediately euthenise > them. They easily have the funds and the fundraising abilities to run a > no-kill shelter. They choose not. They choose to be a kill " shelter. " > > The spokes person for them was all about excuses when this broke on the news > about a month ago. They don't have a " shelter, " they don't have the time, > none of the animals were worth saving, they are helping people, the animals > were old, blah, blah, blah. > > Well, the folks that thought " PETA = save animals " were aghast when they > found out. The ones that took their animals to them personally thought they > were going to find them homes. The two local shelters that referred animals > to them thought they were going to find them homes. And the one shelter > gave a list of ages because the head honcho was livid. The animals weren't > old, they ranged from a few weeks to 4 years. > > Lynda > - > heartwerk <heartwork > > Wednesday, August 10, 2005 11:37 PM > Re: True Facts About PETA from a site: > > > > If the chap is working for fast food companies he will want to do > > everything he can to discredit PETA and any other successful animal > > rights group. > > > > Jo > > > > , " Lynda " <lurine@s...> wrote: > > > Ah, but they do run the equivalent of a kill shelter. I haven't > > finished > > > checking out what else he had to say. > > > > > > Lynda > > > - > > > " fraggle " <EBbrewpunx@e...> > > > > > > Tuesday, August 09, 2005 9:11 AM > > > Re: True Facts About PETA from a site: > > > > > > > > > > we've already been over this > > > > the guy who runs the site is a PR hack for big tobacco, fast food > > > companies and big aggro biz.... > > > > > > > > > > > > rvijay <rvijay07@m...> > > > > Aug 9, 2005 12:01 AM > > > > > > > > True Facts About PETA from a site: > > > > > > > > What do you think of this ? Comments welcome: > > > > > > > > http://www.activistcash.com/organization_overview.cfm/oid/21 > > > > > > > > Vijay > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To send an email to - > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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