Vegan Kids

[Guest guest]

Just avoid eating meat from now on. If there is meat that cook together with

vegetable, just eat the vegetable.

 

Start eating brown rice, cook with all colour beans and barley,etc. little bit

of all kinds.

Steam the photato or sweet potato, tofu, etc.

 

Eat fresh organic vegetable of all colours.

 

Thank you and best regards,

White Leaf Architects Studio

Seah Chay Loon(Mdm)

Principal Architect

Email: saimeng

Tel/Fax:64646113

HP:94308651

Address:21 Tan Kim Cheng Road #02-21, S'pore 266621

 

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cristene bailey

Monday, December 27, 2004 11:05 PM

vegan kids

 

 

 

may I ask your advice then?? I really want to go all the way to vegan, and

even put more raw into our diet, which I said I would never try to do raw!

anyways- I am in desperate need of any good vegan kids recipes and advice. what

would you say??? c

-

Doh!<dohdriver

< >

Monday, December 27, 2004 2:22 AM

Re: Why vegan

 

 

 

Well, I became vegetarian in '89 because I was a budding environmentalist.

(Only 3 years prior, I had sworn I could never give up steak.) It took me a

long time to move from an unhealthy cheesetarian to being nearly dairy-free,

maybe 10 years, and it was really unintentional - I just found myself eating

less and less. I never thought I'd be vegan (and had also sworn I could

never be!). Then, after my son was born, I realized I was eating so little

dairy & eggs that it was kind of silly - I only ate Amy's enchiladas and

cottage cheese (not together!), and baked goods. Otherwise, I was eating

very well and a considerable portion was organic. My son, besides what he

got via breastmilk, had been essentially vegan all his life. My step-mom

gave him a bite of ice cream before he was even on solids! But I digress...

So I figured why not make the final commitment? So when ds was 2.5 yrs, for

my New Years resolution, we went vegan. Say, that means our 3-year vegan

anniversary is in a few days!

Doh

 

----------

All beings tremble before violence. All fear death, all love life. See

yourself in others. Then whom can you hurt? What harm can you do? ~ Buddha

 

 

 

 

 

 

For more information about vegetarianism, please visit the VRG website at

http://www.vrg.org<http://www.vrg.org/> and for materials especially useful for

families go to http://www.vrg.org/family.This<http://www.vrg.org/family.This> is

a discussion list and is not intended to provide personal medical advice.

Medical advice should be obtained from a qualified health professional.

 

edical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a qualified health

professional.

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I'd check out vegfamily.com for support of raising vegan kids. The site is

dedicated to that specific topic & does have a recipes section. Also, try

vegweb.com for other recipes.

 

Christa

 

In a message dated 12/29/2004 8:56:35 AM Mountain Standard Time,

saimeng writes:

may I ask your advice then?? I really want to go all the way to vegan, and

even put more raw into our diet, which I said I would never try to do raw!

anyways- I am in desperate need of any good vegan kids recipes and advice. what

would you say??? c

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Eating veggies cooked WITH meat is neither vegetarian or vegan as the juices

from the meat are absorbed into the veggies.

 

God's Peace,

Gayle

-

" Seah Chay Loon " <saimeng

 

Tuesday, December 28, 2004 9:06 PM

Re: vegan kids

 

 

 

 

Just avoid eating meat from now on. If there is meat that cook together with

vegetable, just eat the vegetable.

 

Start eating brown rice, cook with all colour beans and barley,etc. little

bit of all kinds.

Steam the photato or sweet potato, tofu, etc.

 

Eat fresh organic vegetable of all colours.

 

Thank you and best regards,

White Leaf Architects Studio

Seah Chay Loon(Mdm)

Principal Architect

Email: saimeng

Tel/Fax:64646113

HP:94308651

Address:21 Tan Kim Cheng Road #02-21, S'pore 266621

 

Privileged/Confidential information may be contained in this message.

If you are not the intended recipient, you must not copy, distribute or

use it for any purpose, nor disclose its contents to any other person.

Please notify the sender immediately if you receive this in error.

-

cristene bailey

Monday, December 27, 2004 11:05 PM

vegan kids

 

 

 

may I ask your advice then?? I really want to go all the way to vegan, and

even put more raw into our diet, which I said I would never try to do raw!

anyways- I am in desperate need of any good vegan kids recipes and advice.

what would you say??? c

-

Doh!<dohdriver

< >

Monday, December 27, 2004 2:22 AM

Re: Why vegan

 

 

 

Well, I became vegetarian in '89 because I was a budding

environmentalist.

(Only 3 years prior, I had sworn I could never give up steak.) It took

me a

long time to move from an unhealthy cheesetarian to being nearly

dairy-free,

maybe 10 years, and it was really unintentional - I just found myself

eating

less and less. I never thought I'd be vegan (and had also sworn I could

never be!). Then, after my son was born, I realized I was eating so

little

dairy & eggs that it was kind of silly - I only ate Amy's enchiladas and

cottage cheese (not together!), and baked goods. Otherwise, I was

eating

very well and a considerable portion was organic. My son, besides what

he

got via breastmilk, had been essentially vegan all his life. My

step-mom

gave him a bite of ice cream before he was even on solids! But I

digress...

So I figured why not make the final commitment? So when ds was 2.5 yrs,

for

my New Years resolution, we went vegan. Say, that means our 3-year

vegan

anniversary is in a few days!

Doh

 

----------

All beings tremble before violence. All fear death, all love life. See

yourself in others. Then whom can you hurt? What harm can you do? ~

Buddha

 

 

 

 

 

 

For more information about vegetarianism, please visit the VRG website

at http://www.vrg.org<http://www.vrg.org/> and for materials especially

useful for families go to

http://www.vrg.org/family.This<http://www.vrg.org/family.This> is a

discussion list and is not intended to provide personal medical advice.

Medical advice should be obtained from a qualified health professional.

 

edical advice. Medical advice should be obtained from a qualified health

professional.

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

propelyne glycol(anti-freeze) is found in all commercial

cough/childrens medicine.

it is not found in the ones at healthfood stores.

 

I have two vegan kids, 2 and 6 years old.

the two year old has never had a drop of cows milk, neither has he

ever gotten sick. He isn't vaccinated either and he still

breastfeeds.

 

the 6 year old started out life as vegetarian and was constantly sick

the first two years of his life. I spent a TON of money on doctors

bills. He had five different antibiotics prescribed by doctors by the

time he was three.

I really did not get that, the amount of ear infections,

bronchitis and asthma where directly related to the amount of cow's

milk that he was drinking.

Once I eliminated milk from his diet, all of this illnesses went

away.

 

I also don't feed them Junk vegan food, like tofutti. I make my own

ice cream, and if you don't have the time for that just freeze juice

in containers.

 

My kids eat;

fruits, vegetables, nuts and grains. Just these four things. that's

all.

 

The health benefits of being vegan are real obvious to me.

I haven't been to a doctor in six years, haven't had a cold for two.

I don't look anything like other 32 two year olds living in my town.

and I have tons of energy.

Yes, there are vegans who are sickly because they don't eat well.

They are not very smart.

 

I don't see this as forcing my view upon them. I don't speak or

preach to them about Veganism. Instead I teach them compassion.

They copy how I behave around animals and how I respect them. I don't

say veganism, veganism, veganism.

instead it's a lifestyle. I tell them that we as a family believe

that eating animals is wrong, just like I would tell them that

stealing is wrong. Kids also " know " this.

 

I find it so ironic that if you go to the childrens section of the

library, there are a million books with animals of all sorts. It is

hard to find a book without one. ( and cartoons on tv)

Kids grow up reading about/loving these characters and do make the

connection with those animals and what is on their plate. (piglet in

winney the pooh = bacon)

 

my six year old loved to stomp on insects, this is just something he

(perhaps) saw other kids do, one day as he was stomping on them, I

just said, " I wouldn't like to be that insect "

he said " why not "

I said " well how would you feel if a big giant came over and started

killing you "

He said, " i wouldn't like it "

 

and so on. I am raising them vegan because I see it as a

responsibility, when they are older they can chose to be carnivores.

As an animal rights activist, I am passionate about saving the lives

of 86 X 4 members of my family, animals a year.

I was born vegetarian and I thank my mom for doing that. while my

cousins were eating bologna sandwiches, I was eating peanut butter

and jelly.

I didn't like being different at the time, but now I am very

grateful.

 

of course i admit, it is much easier, never introducing them to meat,

from the beginning.

 

I think that what Peta is doing is trying to appeal to carnivores who

are worried about losing their favorite " treats " and offering them

the junk food vegan alternatives.

 

-anouk

 

 

little lamb on a hill, run fast if you can,

good christians they want to kill you and your life hasn't even begun.

 

 

 

> What's the difference between " my gawd ITS VEGAN! " and what

vegans eat? Most vegans I know use margarine, most vegans I know eat

tofutti products (I'm not picking on tofutti it's just a product I'm

well versed with), most vegans I know eat soy (which some people say

isn't safe) etc... Tofutti's cream cheese substitute is

called " Better Than Cream Cheese " for goodness sake. It does give a

false impression that this product is much healthier than regular

cream cheese.

>

> And I agree, just because something doesn't come from animals,

doesn't mean it is healthy. However people are given false

impressions about certain products. Take PeTA for example..while

they are primarily an animal advocate group they do pimp the " health

benefits " of being a veg*n. In the " Vegetarian Starter Kit " there's

an entire page dedicated to the health dangers of eating dairy and

meat. In their " Vegetarian Starter Kit " they tell you to use

margarine, tofutti ice cream, soy milk, etc... without even

mentioning the fact they contain dangerous mono and di-glycerides as

well and how they should really only be used sparingly. So while you

may not eat something just because it's vegan, many people do and do

so unbeknownst to the hidden dangers.

>

>

>

> Talisman

[Guest guest]

Well said Anouk. I wish I had been enlightened when my children were young.

 

From my own personal experience, I can vouch for the lack of colds when not

consuming dairy products. Whilst others are suffering badly with coughs and

cattarh I am not. That is not to say I don't catch colds. Sometimes I get

a sore throat - for a day - and then, on most occasions it just disappears,

without the messy cold symptoms that the dairy-consumers I know seem to

suffer.

 

Jo

 

> I have two vegan kids, 2 and 6 years old.

> the two year old has never had a drop of cows milk, neither has he

> ever gotten sick. He isn't vaccinated either and he still

> breastfeeds.

>

> the 6 year old started out life as vegetarian and was constantly sick

> the first two years of his life. I spent a TON of money on doctors

> bills. He had five different antibiotics prescribed by doctors by the

> time he was three.

> I really did not get that, the amount of ear infections,

> bronchitis and asthma where directly related to the amount of cow's

> milk that he was drinking.

> Once I eliminated milk from his diet, all of this illnesses went

> away.

>

> I also don't feed them Junk vegan food, like tofutti. I make my own

> ice cream, and if you don't have the time for that just freeze juice

> in containers.

>

> My kids eat;

> fruits, vegetables, nuts and grains. Just these four things. that's

> all.

>

> The health benefits of being vegan are real obvious to me.

> I haven't been to a doctor in six years, haven't had a cold for two.

> I don't look anything like other 32 two year olds living in my town.

> and I have tons of energy.

> Yes, there are vegans who are sickly because they don't eat well.

> They are not very smart.

>

> I don't see this as forcing my view upon them. I don't speak or

> preach to them about Veganism. Instead I teach them compassion.

> They copy how I behave around animals and how I respect them. I don't

> say veganism, veganism, veganism.

> instead it's a lifestyle. I tell them that we as a family believe

> that eating animals is wrong, just like I would tell them that

> stealing is wrong. Kids also " know " this.

>

> I find it so ironic that if you go to the childrens section of the

> library, there are a million books with animals of all sorts. It is

> hard to find a book without one. ( and cartoons on tv)

> Kids grow up reading about/loving these characters and do make the

> connection with those animals and what is on their plate. (piglet in

> winney the pooh = bacon)

>

> my six year old loved to stomp on insects, this is just something he

> (perhaps) saw other kids do, one day as he was stomping on them, I

> just said, " I wouldn't like to be that insect "

> he said " why not "

> I said " well how would you feel if a big giant came over and started

> killing you "

> He said, " i wouldn't like it "

>

> and so on. I am raising them vegan because I see it as a

> responsibility, when they are older they can chose to be carnivores.

> As an animal rights activist, I am passionate about saving the lives

> of 86 X 4 members of my family, animals a year.

> I was born vegetarian and I thank my mom for doing that. while my

> cousins were eating bologna sandwiches, I was eating peanut butter

> and jelly.

> I didn't like being different at the time, but now I am very

> grateful.

>

> of course i admit, it is much easier, never introducing them to meat,

> from the beginning.

>

> I think that what Peta is doing is trying to appeal to carnivores who

> are worried about losing their favorite " treats " and offering them

> the junk food vegan alternatives.

>

> -anouk

>

>

> little lamb on a hill, run fast if you can,

> good christians they want to kill you and your life hasn't even begun.

>

>

>

> > What's the difference between " my gawd ITS VEGAN! " and what

> vegans eat? Most vegans I know use margarine, most vegans I know eat

> tofutti products (I'm not picking on tofutti it's just a product I'm

> well versed with), most vegans I know eat soy (which some people say

> isn't safe) etc... Tofutti's cream cheese substitute is

> called " Better Than Cream Cheese " for goodness sake. It does give a

> false impression that this product is much healthier than regular

> cream cheese.

> >

> > And I agree, just because something doesn't come from animals,

> doesn't mean it is healthy. However people are given false

> impressions about certain products. Take PeTA for example..while

> they are primarily an animal advocate group they do pimp the " health

> benefits " of being a veg*n. In the " Vegetarian Starter Kit " there's

> an entire page dedicated to the health dangers of eating dairy and

> meat. In their " Vegetarian Starter Kit " they tell you to use

> margarine, tofutti ice cream, soy milk, etc... without even

> mentioning the fact they contain dangerous mono and di-glycerides as

> well and how they should really only be used sparingly. So while you

> may not eat something just because it's vegan, many people do and do

> so unbeknownst to the hidden dangers.

> >

> >

> >

> > Talisman

To send an email to -

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Anouk

 

> The health benefits of being vegan are real obvious to me.

> I haven't been to a doctor in six years, haven't had a cold for two.

> I don't look anything like other 32 two year olds living in my town.

> and I have tons of energy.

 

This is a very valid point - I've only been to the doctor once since turning

vegan, and that was because I fell off stage and wanted to know if I'd

broken any bones!! (I hadn't, so obviously the diet has kept my bones nice

and strong!)

 

BB

Peter

[Guest guest]

Anouk,

 

Many of the things you said echo my reasons for my current " quest " to

achieve " full-blown, accepted by other vegans, " vegan status.

Especially what you said about compassion. That is a word I use a lot.

It's a word I read about a lot in Buddhist readings. It's a word I used

on the news after the tsunami last December during a fund raiser I was

doing--and I was so adamant about it that I specifically requested to

each of the 3 newscasts that the word " compassion " be included somehow

in their broadcast (and it was).

 

I really hope to read more from you. We're very close in age (I'm 31),

and my wife and I raise three children (4, 8 and 10). I've become the

" pilot project " for veganism in the home, so I feel like a lot is riding

on my success or failure.

 

--Kevin

 

 

Anouk Sickler wrote:

 

>I don't see this as forcing my view upon them. I don't speak or

>preach to them about Veganism. Instead I teach them compassion.

>They copy how I behave around animals and how I respect them. I don't

>say veganism, veganism, veganism. instead it's a lifestyle.

>

[Guest guest]

I thought those with kids might be interested in vegans of long ago who

raised their kids vegan. http://www.vrg.org/journal/94sep.htm#native

 

Lynda

[Guest guest]

Thx!

 

Nikki

 

, " Lynda " <lurine@s...> wrote:

> I thought those with kids might be interested in vegans of long ago

who

> raised their kids vegan. http://www.vrg.org/journal/94sep.htm#native

>

> Lynda

[Guest guest]

, " Peter " <metalscarab@c...> wrote:

> Hi Anouk

>

> > This is a very valid point - I've only been to the doctor once

since turning

> vegan, and that was because I fell off stage and wanted to know if I'd

> broken any bones!! (I hadn't, so obviously the diet has kept my bones

nice

> and strong!)

>

> BB

> Peter

 

Fell off Stage???

Ohmygod,

I worked for the Metropolitan Opera House in nyc, I sold tickets, two

years ago, I got to see operas for free and this dude fell of the stage

in the middle of an important scene in " War and Peace "

He was a soldier marching and he marched and fell right into the

Orchestra!!

 

the general manager fired him of course, he said he just wanted

publicity and that he ruined the line of belieavility in a very

important production.

The guy says he got dizzy because he forgot to take a pill. but he did

appear in the New York Post, and then tickets to war and peace were

sold out.

[Guest guest]

sure, please don't be to hard on yourself. I read your blog one day

and I think that you are doing fine. We all went throught this.

I have only been vegan a year.

Now my biggest challenge is dealing with my family (aunts, uncles)

 

I will be traveling to ny where my relatives live and my aunt already

said to me over the phone " I will be baking you, your favorite

cookies, the ones you use to love as a child "

 

I have tried to explain, to them but they don't think I'm serious.

I told them I was vegan, but sometimes they 'forget' and serve me

things with butter or eggs in them.

 

( It is hard for me, because I was taught to never refused gifts,

from people in their 60's/elderly who in their heart are trying to be

nice)

 

I have to think of clever/polite ways to say no.

 

as far as kids go, it won't be easy at first, the best thing is to

show by example, and show them your human side.

 

I was in my 6 year olds school today, some empty classrooms, was the

last day of school here in the south and I was SHOCKED.

 

some classrooms were full of Mcdonalds propaganda, ronald mcdonald

was a clown in there helping kids to McRead. I kid you not. I took a

picture and I will send. ( in a way that doesn't clog up peoples

computers

 

 

 

 

 

, " Kevin L. McDonald " <kevin@b...>

wrote:

> Anouk,

>

> Many of the things you said echo my reasons for my current " quest "

to

> achieve " full-blown, accepted by other vegans, " vegan status.

> Especially what you said about compassion. That is a word I use a

lot.

> It's a word I read about a lot in Buddhist readings. It's a word I

used

> on the news after the tsunami last December during a fund raiser I

was

> doing--and I was so adamant about it that I specifically requested

to

> each of the 3 newscasts that the word " compassion " be included

somehow

> in their broadcast (and it was).

>

> I really hope to read more from you. We're very close in age (I'm

31),

> and my wife and I raise three children (4, 8 and 10). I've become

the

> " pilot project " for veganism in the home, so I feel like a lot is

riding

> on my success or failure.

>

> --Kevin

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I love reading about how these native indians raised their kids.

their connection to the earth.

 

, " Lynda " <lurine@s...> wrote:

> I thought those with kids might be interested in vegans of long ago

who

> raised their kids vegan. http://www.vrg.org/journal/94sep.htm#native

>

> Lynda

[Guest guest]

Ah, I remember those days!

 

Now I get " are you still not eating food " ?

 

One of the best ways I have found to deal with going over to other

people's homes is to bring a dish or two of your own. I try to make

an easy dish that would be appealing to many so that they too can

try it. Once they do, they seem to relax a bit as the realize I am

not simply eating grass and leaves (as one relative kindly put it).

I even bring my own soy butter so as not to make the host feel put

out.

 

With my Gramma, it was the hardest tho. Before she moved to

Virginia, we use to go food shopping together every Saturday. And

because she felt like I was doing her a favor, she would bake

something for Zak and I as a thank you. The nice thing about it was

after shopping, we would sit and talk for a short bit (had stuff

melting in the trunk) and eat the dessert.

 

After I became a vegan, she felt as if she had nothing to offer me.

Which she never really needed to do in the first place, but it gave

her a sense of validation.

 

So one day I asked her if I could come over and bake with her.

Nothing too big, just to do it and I would show her how I use

substitues in place of eggs, butter, milk etc. And that's how it

started. I told her there was no need to do this every week, but

when the mood struck her at least she felt better about being able

to offer me something. Tho her coffee and conversation was enough.

 

I think once she saw that I could eat " normal " foods with just a few

changes, she felt better about my choice in general.

 

Nikki

 

, " Anouk Sickler " <zurumato@e...>

wrote:

> sure, please don't be to hard on yourself. I read your blog one

day

> and I think that you are doing fine. We all went throught this.

> I have only been vegan a year.

> Now my biggest challenge is dealing with my family (aunts, uncles)

>

> I will be traveling to ny where my relatives live and my aunt

already

> said to me over the phone " I will be baking you, your favorite

> cookies, the ones you use to love as a child "

>

> I have tried to explain, to them but they don't think I'm serious.

> I told them I was vegan, but sometimes they 'forget' and serve me

> things with butter or eggs in them.

>

> ( It is hard for me, because I was taught to never refused gifts,

> from people in their 60's/elderly who in their heart are trying to

be

> nice)

>

> I have to think of clever/polite ways to say no.

>

> as far as kids go, it won't be easy at first, the best thing is to

> show by example, and show them your human side.

>

> I was in my 6 year olds school today, some empty classrooms, was

the

> last day of school here in the south and I was SHOCKED.

>

> some classrooms were full of Mcdonalds propaganda, ronald

mcdonald

> was a clown in there helping kids to McRead. I kid you not. I

took a

> picture and I will send. ( in a way that doesn't clog up peoples

> computers

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

With gifts from our elderly relatives, a friend always says, " Thank you.

I'm going to save these for when I get home. " She isn't a radical vegan,

just a personal vegan (isn't trying to change the world) and she gives the

cookies, cakes, pies to a local convo and has them give them to the folks

who don't have family that bring them gifts.

 

Lynda

-

Anouk Sickler <zurumato

 

> I will be traveling to ny where my relatives live and my aunt already

> said to me over the phone " I will be baking you, your favorite

> cookies, the ones you use to love as a child "

>

> I have tried to explain, to them but they don't think I'm serious.

> I told them I was vegan, but sometimes they 'forget' and serve me

> things with butter or eggs in them.

>

> ( It is hard for me, because I was taught to never refused gifts,

> from people in their 60's/elderly who in their heart are trying to be

> nice)

>

> I have to think of clever/polite ways to say no.

[Guest guest]

Hi Anouk

 

> Fell off Stage???

 

Yep - 'fraid so! Although, in my defence, I was grabbing a piece of falling

scenery that was about to squash a small child, and overbalanced in the

process, so at least it wasn't too embarassing! Also, luckily, no audience

as we were taking the set down.

 

BB

Peter

[Guest guest]

Hi Peter,

 

You're a HERO!

 

A clumsy hero, but a hero none-the-less.

 

You didn't fall on the poor child, did you?

 

BB

Nikki

 

 

, " Peter " <metalscarab@c...> wrote:

> Hi Anouk

>

> > Fell off Stage???

>

> Yep - 'fraid so! Although, in my defence, I was grabbing a piece

of falling

> scenery that was about to squash a small child, and overbalanced

in the

> process, so at least it wasn't too embarassing! Also, luckily, no

audience

> as we were taking the set down.

>

> BB

> Peter

[Guest guest]

Hi Nikki

 

> You didn't fall on the poor child, did you?

 

Nope - I maintained my 100% record of not squishing children :-)

 

BB

Peter

[Guest guest]

Hi Peter

 

That's pretty impressive! What do you think has made you so successful

in this endeavor?

 

BB

Nikki

 

, " Peter " <metalscarab@c...> wrote:

> Hi Nikki

>

> > You didn't fall on the poor child, did you?

>

> Nope - I maintained my 100% record of not squishing children :-)

>

> BB

> Peter

[Guest guest]

Hi Nikki

 

> That's pretty impressive! What do you think has made you so successful

> in this endeavor?

 

I'd say the large part of my success has been avoiding children who are of a

squishable nature. Of course, this isn't always possible, but on the odd

occasion it can't be avoided it just needs the exercise of a little will

power :-)

 

BB

Peter

[Guest guest]

<<eg>> Children had really well developed self-preservation instincts and

move much faster than adults %-}

 

Lynda

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nikki_mackovitch <nikkimack

 

Friday, May 27, 2005 2:03 PM

Re: Vegan Kids

 

 

> Hi Peter

>

> That's pretty impressive! What do you think has made you so successful

> in this endeavor?

>

> BB

> Nikki

>

[Guest guest]

I dunno, that Peter is a quick one!

 

Sneaky too! And if it was his double at the time, well we don't even

want to think about that!

 

Nikki

 

 

, " Lynda " <lurine@s...> wrote:

> <<eg>> Children had really well developed self-preservation

instincts and

> move much faster than adults %-}

>

> Lynda

> -

> nikki_mackovitch <nikkimack@m...>

>

> Friday, May 27, 2005 2:03 PM

> Re: Vegan Kids

>

>

> > Hi Peter

> >

> > That's pretty impressive! What do you think has made you so

successful

> > in this endeavor?

> >

> > BB

> > Nikki

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi Tara

 

Welcome to Vegan Chat.

 

Jo

 

 

 

 

On Behalf Of Tara

22 February 2010 12:08

 

vegan kids

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hi all,

We are a vegan family with a 7-month-old daughter. We don't have a lot of vegan

friends and no vegans in our family, so we do a lot of educating and defending.

However, having a new baby in our lives has caused people to redirect their

arguments, i.e. babies need cow's milk, meat, dairy for growing bones. And

having a girl, people seem to really like to talk about research that has shown

that soy affects female hormones.

 

Anyone have any experience with such discussions? People we know seem to really

try to invoke the parental guilt ( " don't you know what you are doing to

your poor kid? " type of thing). I'd love to hear people's thoughts... or

direction to counter arguments.

 

Thanks a bunch!

T

[Guest guest]

Hi Tara,

We too have a daughter (our only child). She is 11 and has never eaten animals. Both me and my husband's family eat animals and through the years we have heard our share of rude comments about our refusal to eat animals. We are never outspoken or rude about our relatives eating animals, but every now and then we receive off-handed comments from them. It is absurd that we are made to feel as though we are doing something wrong when all we want is to keep the murdered animals out of our diet. Our relatives are church going people and it is so strange that they condemn our actions when our actions are about not killing! It is very difficult to participate in family get-togethers when an animal is the focus of the meal. We will not do it. Animals are not food to us and it is very offensive to us.

 

We are happy vegans and our daughter's health is excellent since birth. She is growing just fine, but without the many problems we hear other children experiencing. We know that a vegan diet is the ultimate diet for health, but it is also the ultimate experience for mental and emotional health. We do not eat animals because we don't want to eat a murdered animal. We would personally never kill an animal and then eat it. It is pretty simple. It only gets complicated by those whose meat addiction is in full control of their body. Our daughter has been raised with a full understanding of compassion which shows in her maturity as compared with girls her age. All children know that killing an animal is wrong. It is the adults who convince them that killing and exploiting animals is not only o.k. but essential for "good" health. All lies.

 

You have taken a very advanced step by raising your daughter without eating animals and their body fluids. Her physical, mental and emotional health will prove it......who cares what others think or say, they are wrong. Your daughter is on an excellent path, thanks to you and your compassionate husband. We are happy to know that there are people like you in the world!

 

Hearts♥,

Veganlyn--- On Mon, 2/22/10, Tara <taracoss79 wrote:

Tara <taracoss79 vegan kids Date: Monday, February 22, 2010, 4:08 AM

Hi all, We are a vegan family with a 7-month-old daughter. We don't have a lot of vegan friends and no vegans in our family, so we do a lot of educating and defending. However, having a new baby in our lives has caused people to redirect their arguments, i.e. babies need cow's milk, meat, dairy for growing bones. And having a girl, people seem to really like to talk about research that has shown that soy affects female hormones. Anyone have any experience with such discussions? People we know seem to really try to invoke the parental guilt ("don't you know what you are doing to your poor kid?" type of thing). I'd love to hear people's thoughts... or direction to counter arguments.Thanks a bunch!T

[Guest guest]

I would visit The Vegan Society. They have information on raising vegan

children. Visit all the other vegan sites, and also maybe the Vegetarian

Society site, for information. You will then be able to clearly explain why

being vegan is good for you and your little girl.

 

There are some sites that say soy is bad for everyone, but they are wrong. The

only people who may need to limit their soy intake are people with thyroid

problems. Soy is good for balancing hormones and the phytoestrogens are very

good for your health.

 

Jo

 

, " Tara " <taracoss79 wrote:

>

> Hi all,

> We are a vegan family with a 7-month-old daughter. We don't have a lot of

vegan friends and no vegans in our family, so we do a lot of educating and

defending. However, having a new baby in our lives has caused people to

redirect their arguments, i.e. babies need cow's milk, meat, dairy for growing

bones. And having a girl, people seem to really like to talk about research

that has shown that soy affects female hormones.

>

> Anyone have any experience with such discussions? People we know seem to

really try to invoke the parental guilt ( " don't you know what you are doing to

your poor kid? " type of thing). I'd love to hear people's thoughts... or

direction to counter arguments.

>

> Thanks a bunch!

> T

>

[Guest guest]

Hi VeganLyn and TaraMe and my husband are both vegan and we have a two year old daughter who is being brought up vegan. We are lucky that we have not had any rude comments from family - well not to our faces! I am sure that some people probably do buy into the dairy myth but they have not said anything direct to us. I think being vegan has meant that I have a very good knowledge of nutrition, I know exactly what my daughter needs and what plant foods will provide it. Also I am still breast feeding so she is getting the right milk for a baby human. I think the main things that people will worry your child is not getting Tara, are calcium and protein although of course B12, iodine and omega 3 is something that also needs to be covered in a diet. Protein is of course a funny one because most people automatically assume if

you are vegan you will not get enough protein but all foods contain protein and the protein combining is really old hat now. Plus if you ask people to tell you the name for protein deficiency they will not know. It is that rare. I don't even know that most GP's would know. Calcium will of course be provided by breast milk and there are plenty of plant foods containing calcium and fortified soya products. I play safe and give my daughter a liquid B12 supplement. I make sure she gets strawberries for iodine. We sometimes have vegan sushi, there is some iodine in both her multi vitamin and also her fortified breakfast cereal and I mix a bit of flax oil in with her soy yoghurt each day. I did try putting it in her breakfast cereal but boy it tastes bad! I do think the soy research is biased and funded by dairy supporting foundations. I just think, like anything, you need a mixed and balanced diet

without too much reliance on any one food.As a parent you are totally and absolutely doing the right thing bringing your daughter up vegan. So you need feel NO parental guilt.Just make sure you are really well informed and you will for sure be better informed than any omnis. And also, like Veganlyn, me and my husband never criticise what others eat even though often people (outside our family) criticise what we eat!It is so so good to know there are other vegan families out there. Your daughter will be a caring, kind, compassionate, beautiful person. You are giving her the best gift possible.Best wishes to you bothElizabeth (and vegan Beanie )