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Mayor: Katrina May Have Killed Thousands By BRETT MARTEL, Associated Press

Writer

27 minutes ago

 

 

 

NEW ORLEANS - Hurricane Katrina probably killed thousands of people in New

Orleans, the mayor said Wednesday — an estimate that, if accurate, would make

the storm the nation's deadliest natural disaster since at least the 1906 San

Francisco earthquake.

 

 

 

" We know there is a significant number of dead bodies in the water, " and other

people dead in attics, Mayor Ray Nagin said. Asked how many, he said: " Minimum,

hundreds. Most likely, thousands. "

 

The frightening estimate came as Army engineers struggled to plug New Orleans'

breached levees with giant sandbags and concrete barriers, while authorities

drew up plans to clear out the tens of thousands of people left in the Big Easy

and all but abandon the flooded-out city. Many of the evacuees — including

thousands now staying in the Superdome — will be moved to the Astrodome in

Houston, 350 miles away.

 

There will be a " total evacuation of the city. We have to. The city will not be

functional for two or three months, " Nagin said. And he said people will not be

allowed back into their homes for at least a month or two.

 

Nagin estimated 50,000 to 100,000 people remained in New Orleans, a city of

nearly half a million people. He said 14,000 to 15,000 a day could be evacuated.

 

The Pentagon, meanwhile, began mounting one of the largest search-and-rescue

operations in U.S. history, sending four Navy ships to the Gulf Coast with

drinking water and other emergency supplies, along with the hospital ship USNS

Comfort, search helicopters and elite SEAL water-rescue teams. American Red

Cross workers from across the country converged on the devastated region in the

agency's biggest-ever relief operation.

 

Katrina slammed into the Gulf Coast on Monday just east of New Orleans with

howling, 145-mile wind. The death toll has reached at least 110 in Mississippi

alone. But the full magnitude of the disaster had been unclear for days;

Louisiana has been putting aside the counting of the dead to concentrate on

rescuing the living, many of whom were still trapped on rooftops and in attics.

 

If the mayor's estimate holds true, it would make Katrina the nation's deadliest

hurricane since 1900, when a storm in Galveston, Texas, killed between 6,000 and

12,000 people. The death toll in the San Francisco earthquake and the resulting

fire has been put at anywhere from about 500 to 6,000.

 

A full day after the Big Easy thought it had escaped Katrina's full fury, two

levees broke and spilled water into the streets Tuesday, swamping an estimated

80 percent of the bowl-shaped, below-sea-level city, inundating miles and miles

of homes and rendering much of New Orleans uninhabitable for weeks or months.

 

With the streets awash and looters brazenly cleaning out stores, authorities

planned to move at least 25,000 of the New Orleans' storm refugees to the

Astrodome in a vast, two-day convoy of some 475 buses.

 

Many of the city's storm refugees — 15,000 to 20,000 people — were in the

Superdome, which had become hot and stuffy, with broken toilets and nowhere for

anyone to bathe. " It can no longer operate as a shelter of last resort, " the

mayor said.

 

Gov. Kathleen Blanco said the situation was desperate and there was no choice

but to clear out.

 

" The logistical problems are impossible and we have to evacuate people in

shelters, " the governor said. " It's becoming untenable. There's no power. It's

getting more difficult to get food and water supplies in, just basic

essentials. "

 

Around midday, officials with the state and the Army Corps of Engineers said the

water levels between the city and Lake Pontchartrain had equalized, and water

had stopped rising in New Orleans, and even appeared to be falling, at least in

some places. But the danger was far from over.

 

The Army Corps of Engineers said it planned to use heavy-duty Chinook

helicopters to drop 20,000-pound sandbags Wednesday into the 500-foot gap in the

failed floodwall. But the agency said it was having trouble getting the sandbags

and dozens of 15-foot highway barriers to the site because the city's waterways

were blocked by loose barges, boats and large debris.

 

Officials said they were also looking at a more audacious plan: finding a barge

to plug the 500-foot hole.

 

" The challenge is an engineering nightmare, " the governor said on ABC's " Good

Morning America. "

 

As the sense of desperation deepened in New Orleans, hundreds of people wandered

up and down Interstate 10, pushing shopping carts, laundry racks, anything they

could find to carry their belongings. Dozens of fishermen from up to 200 miles

away floated in on caravans of boats to pull residents out of flooded

neighborhoods.

 

On some of the few roads that were still passable, people waved at passing cars

with empty water jugs, begging for relief. Hundreds of people appeared to have

spent the night on a crippled highway.

 

In one east New Orleans neighborhood, refugees were loaded onto the backs of

moving vans like cattle, and in one case emergency workers with a sledgehammer

and an ax broke open the back of a mail truck and used it to ferry sick and

elderly residents.

 

Police officers were asking residents to give up any guns they had before they

boarded buses and trucks because police desperately needed the firepower: Some

officers who had been stranded on the roof of a motel said they were being shot

at overnight.

 

The sweltering city of 480,000 people — an estimated 80 percent of whom obeyed

orders to evacuate as Katrina closed in over the weekend — had no drinkable

water, the electricity could be out for weeks, and looters were ransacking

stores around town.

 

Sections of Interstate 10, the only major freeway leading into New Orleans from

the east, lay shattered, dozens of huge slabs of concrete floating in the

floodwaters. I-10 is the only route for commercial trucking across southern

Louisiana.

 

In addition to the Houston Astrodome solution, the Federal Emergency

Management Agency was considering putting people on cruise ships, in tent

cities, mobile home parks, and so-called floating dormitories — boats the

agency uses to house its own employees.

 

A helicopter view of the devastation over Louisiana and Mississippi revealed

people standing on black rooftops, baking in the sunshine while waiting for

rescue boats.

 

" I can only imagine that this is what Hiroshima looked like 60 years ago, " said

Mississippi Gov. Haley Barbour after touring the destruction by air Tuesday.

 

All day long, rescuers in boats and helicopters plucked bedraggled flood

refugees from rooftops and attics. Louisiana Lt. Gov. Mitch Landrieu said 3,000

people have been rescued by boat and air, some placed shivering and wet into

helicopter baskets. They were brought by the truckload into shelters, some in

wheelchairs and some carrying babies, with stories of survival and of those who

didn't make it.

 

" Oh my God, it was hell, " said Kioka Williams, who had to hack through the

ceiling of the beauty shop where she worked as floodwaters rose in New Orleans'

low-lying Ninth Ward. " We were screaming, hollering, flashing lights. It was

complete chaos. "

 

Looting broke out in some New Orleans neighborhoods, prompting authorities to

send more than 70 additional officers and an armed personnel carrier into the

city. One police officer was shot in the head by a looter but was expected to

recover, authorities said.

 

A giant new Wal-Mart in New Orleans was looted, and the entire gun collection

was taken, The Times-Picayune newspaper reported. " There are gangs of armed men

in the city moving around the city, " said Ebbert, the city's homeland security

chief.

 

The governor acknowledged that looting was a severe problem but said that

officials had to focus on survivors. " We don't like looters one bit, but first

and foremost is search and rescue, " she said.

 

In Washington, the Bush administration decided to release crude oil from federal

petroleum reserves to help refiners whose supply was disrupted by Katrina. The

announcement helped push oil prices lower.

 

___

 

Associated Press reporters Holbrook Mohr, Mary Foster, Allen G. Breed, Adam

Nossiter and Jay Reeves contributed to this report.

 

 

a blinding flash

hotter than the sun

dead bodies lie across the path

the radiation colors the air

finishing one by one

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There are plenty of national guard troops available here, that's totally not it. W could have even stopped by on his way back from Cali. Nooo.. you just got the wrong demographics in need. sad, sick & true.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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where's the national guard?oh yeah..iraq.....Mayor: Katrina May Have Killed Thousands By BRETT MARTEL, Associated Press Writer 27 minutes agoNEW ORLEANS - Hurricane Katrina probably killed thousands of people in New Orleans, the mayor said Wednesday — an estimate that, if accurate, would make the storm the nation's deadliest natural disaster since at least the 1906 San Francisco earthquake. "We know there is a significant number of dead bodies in the water," and other people dead in attics, Mayor Ray Nagin said. Asked how many, he said: "Minimum, hundreds. Most likely, thousands."The frightening estimate came as Army engineers struggled to plug New Orleans' breached levees with giant sandbags and concrete barriers, while authorities drew up plans to clear out the tens of thousands of people left in the Big Easy and all but abandon the flooded-out city. Many of the evacuees — including thousands now staying in the Superdome — will be moved to the Astrodome in Houston, 350 miles away.There will be a "total evacuation of the city. We have to. The city will not be functional for two or three months," Nagin said. And he said people will not be allowed back into their homes for at least a month or two.Nagin estimated 50,000 to 100,000 people remained in New Orleans, a city of nearly half a million people. He said 14,000 to 15,000 a day could be evacuated.The Pentagon, meanwhile, began mounting one of the largest search-and-rescue operations in U.S. history, sending four Navy ships to the Gulf Coast with drinking water and other emergency supplies, along with the hospital ship USNS Comfort, search helicopters and elite SEAL water-rescue teams. American Red Cross workers from across the country converged on the devastated region in the agency's biggest-ever relief operation.Katrina slammed into the Gulf Coast on Monday just east of New Orleans with howling, 145-mile wind. The death toll has reached at least 110 in Mississippi alone. But the full magnitude of the disaster had been unclear for days; Louisiana has been putting aside the counting of the dead to concentrate on rescuing the living, many of whom were still trapped on rooftops and in attics.If the mayor's estimate holds true, it would make Katrina the nation's deadliest hurricane since 1900, when a storm in Galveston, Texas, killed between 6,000 and 12,000 people. The death toll in the San Francisco earthquake and the resulting fire has been put at anywhere from about 500 to 6,000.A full day after the Big Easy thought it had escaped Katrina's full fury, two levees broke and spilled water into the streets Tuesday, swamping an estimated 80 percent of the bowl-shaped, below-sea-level city, inundating miles and miles of homes and rendering much of New Orleans uninhabitable for weeks or months.With the streets awash and looters brazenly cleaning out stores, authorities planned to move at least 25,000 of the New Orleans' storm refugees to the Astrodome in a vast, two-day convoy of some 475 buses.Many of the city's storm refugees — 15,000 to 20,000 people — were in the Superdome, which had become hot and stuffy, with broken toilets and nowhere for anyone to bathe. "It can no longer operate as a shelter of last resort," the mayor said.Gov. Kathleen Blanco said the situation was desperate and there was no choice but to clear out."The logistical problems are impossible and we have to evacuate people in shelters," the governor said. "It's becoming untenable. There's no power. It's getting more difficult to get food and water supplies in, just basic essentials."Around midday, officials with the state and the Army Corps of Engineers said the water levels between the city and Lake Pontchartrain had equalized, and water had stopped rising in New Orleans, and even appeared to be falling, at least in some places. But the danger was far from over.The Army Corps of Engineers said it planned to use heavy-duty Chinook helicopters to drop 20,000-pound sandbags Wednesday into the 500-foot gap in the failed floodwall. But the agency said it was having trouble getting the sandbags and dozens of 15-foot highway barriers to the site because the city's waterways were blocked by loose barges, boats and large debris.Officials said they were also looking at a more audacious plan: finding a barge to plug the 500-foot hole."The challenge is an engineering nightmare," the governor said on ABC's "Good Morning America."As the sense of desperation deepened in New Orleans, hundreds of people wandered up and down Interstate 10, pushing shopping carts, laundry racks, anything they could find to carry their belongings. Dozens of fishermen from up to 200 miles away floated in on caravans of boats to pull residents out of flooded neighborhoods. On some of the few roads that were still passable, people waved at passing cars with empty water jugs, begging for relief. Hundreds of people appeared to have spent the night on a crippled highway. In one east New Orleans neighborhood, refugees were loaded onto the backs of moving vans like cattle, and in one case emergency workers with a sledgehammer and an ax broke open the back of a mail truck and used it to ferry sick and elderly residents. Police officers were asking residents to give up any guns they had before they boarded buses and trucks because police desperately needed the firepower: Some officers who had been stranded on the roof of a motel said they were being shot at overnight. The sweltering city of 480,000 people — an estimated 80 percent of whom obeyed orders to evacuate as Katrina closed in over the weekend — had no drinkable water, the electricity could be out for weeks, and looters were ransacking stores around town. Sections of Interstate 10, the only major freeway leading into New Orleans from the east, lay shattered, dozens of huge slabs of concrete floating in the floodwaters. I-10 is the only route for commercial trucking across southern Louisiana. In addition to the Houston Astrodome solution, the Federal Emergency Management Agency was considering putting people on cruise ships, in tent cities, mobile home parks, and so-called floating dormitories — boats the agency uses to house its own employees. A helicopter view of the devastation over Louisiana and Mississippi revealed people standing on black rooftops, baking in the sunshine while waiting for rescue boats. "I can only imagine that this is what Hiroshima looked like 60 years ago," said Mississippi Gov. Haley Barbour after touring the destruction by air Tuesday. All day long, rescuers in boats and helicopters plucked bedraggled flood refugees from rooftops and attics. Louisiana Lt. Gov. Mitch Landrieu said 3,000 people have been rescued by boat and air, some placed shivering and wet into helicopter baskets. They were brought by the truckload into shelters, some in wheelchairs and some carrying babies, with stories of survival and of those who didn't make it. "Oh my God, it was hell," said Kioka Williams, who had to hack through the ceiling of the beauty shop where she worked as floodwaters rose in New Orleans' low-lying Ninth Ward. "We were screaming, hollering, flashing lights. It was complete chaos." Looting broke out in some New Orleans neighborhoods, prompting authorities to send more than 70 additional officers and an armed personnel carrier into the city. One police officer was shot in the head by a looter but was expected to recover, authorities said. A giant new Wal-Mart in New Orleans was looted, and the entire gun collection was taken, The Times-Picayune newspaper reported. "There are gangs of armed men in the city moving around the city," said Ebbert, the city's homeland security chief. The governor acknowledged that looting was a severe problem but said that officials had to focus on survivors. "We don't like looters one bit, but first and foremost is search and rescue," she said. In Washington, the Bush administration decided to release crude oil from federal petroleum reserves to help refiners whose supply was disrupted by Katrina. The announcement helped push oil prices lower. ___ Associated Press reporters Holbrook Mohr, Mary Foster, Allen G. Breed, Adam Nossiter and Jay Reeves contributed to this report. a blinding flash hotter than the sun dead bodies lie across the path the radiation colors the airfinishing one by one

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TX hurrricane in the early 1900s cost at least 8,000 lives.

 

I just did some stats on the hurricanes down there and it is time those

folks started thinking about moving!

 

The last major, major hurricane (Andrew or Camille) cost $26.5 BILLION in

1992 dollars. And it didn't do as much damage!

 

New Orleans is 6' below sea level. They get clobbered one way or another

every single year. They've had major damage at least once every decade!

MAJOR hits by MAJOR hurricanes!

 

You know they'd be screaming at people who live in SF if the same were true

of earthquakes. Good grief, there have only been 2 major ones in a century

and they are still screaming about people being crazy to live there. These

folks in the south just don't make any sense!

 

Lynda

 

Lynda

 

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thousands dead...?

 

 

> where's the national guard?

> oh yeah..iraq.....

>

>

> Mayor: Katrina May Have Killed Thousands By BRETT MARTEL, Associated Press

> Writer

> 27 minutes ago

>

>

>

> NEW ORLEANS - Hurricane Katrina probably killed thousands of people in New

> Orleans, the mayor said Wednesday â? " an estimate that, if accurate, would

> make the storm the nation's deadliest natural disaster since at least the

> 1906 San Francisco earthquake.

>

>

>

> " We know there is a significant number of dead bodies in the water, " and

> other people dead in attics, Mayor Ray Nagin said. Asked how many, he

> said: " Minimum, hundreds. Most likely, thousands. "

>

> The frightening estimate came as Army engineers struggled to plug New

> Orleans' breached levees with giant sandbags and concrete barriers, while

> authorities drew up plans to clear out the tens of thousands of people

> left in the Big Easy and all but abandon the flooded-out city. Many of the

> evacuees â? " including thousands now staying in the Superdome â? " will be

> moved to the Astrodome in Houston, 350 miles away.

>

> There will be a " total evacuation of the city. We have to. The city will

> not be functional for two or three months, " Nagin said. And he said people

> will not be allowed back into their homes for at least a month or two.

>

> Nagin estimated 50,000 to 100,000 people remained in New Orleans, a city

> of nearly half a million people. He said 14,000 to 15,000 a day could be

> evacuated.

>

> The Pentagon, meanwhile, began mounting one of the largest

> search-and-rescue operations in U.S. history, sending four Navy ships to

> the Gulf Coast with drinking water and other emergency supplies, along

> with the hospital ship USNS Comfort, search helicopters and elite SEAL

> water-rescue teams. American Red Cross workers from across the country

> converged on the devastated region in the agency's biggest-ever relief

> operation.

>

> Katrina slammed into the Gulf Coast on Monday just east of New Orleans

> with howling, 145-mile wind. The death toll has reached at least 110 in

> Mississippi alone. But the full magnitude of the disaster had been unclear

> for days; Louisiana has been putting aside the counting of the dead to

> concentrate on rescuing the living, many of whom were still trapped on

> rooftops and in attics.

>

> If the mayor's estimate holds true, it would make Katrina the nation's

> deadliest hurricane since 1900, when a storm in Galveston, Texas, killed

> between 6,000 and 12,000 people. The death toll in the San Francisco

> earthquake and the resulting fire has been put at anywhere from about 500

> to 6,000.

>

> A full day after the Big Easy thought it had escaped Katrina's full fury,

> two levees broke and spilled water into the streets Tuesday, swamping an

> estimated 80 percent of the bowl-shaped, below-sea-level city, inundating

> miles and miles of homes and rendering much of New Orleans uninhabitable

> for weeks or months.

>

> With the streets awash and looters brazenly cleaning out stores,

> authorities planned to move at least 25,000 of the New Orleans' storm

> refugees to the Astrodome in a vast, two-day convoy of some 475 buses.

>

> Many of the city's storm refugees â? " 15,000 to 20,000 people â? " were in

> the Superdome, which had become hot and stuffy, with broken toilets and

> nowhere for anyone to bathe. " It can no longer operate as a shelter of

> last resort, " the mayor said.

>

> Gov. Kathleen Blanco said the situation was desperate and there was no

> choice but to clear out.

>

> " The logistical problems are impossible and we have to evacuate people in

> shelters, " the governor said. " It's becoming untenable. There's no power.

> It's getting more difficult to get food and water supplies in, just basic

> essentials. "

>

> Around midday, officials with the state and the Army Corps of Engineers

> said the water levels between the city and Lake Pontchartrain had

> equalized, and water had stopped rising in New Orleans, and even appeared

> to be falling, at least in some places. But the danger was far from over.

>

> The Army Corps of Engineers said it planned to use heavy-duty Chinook

> helicopters to drop 20,000-pound sandbags Wednesday into the 500-foot gap

> in the failed floodwall. But the agency said it was having trouble getting

> the sandbags and dozens of 15-foot highway barriers to the site because

> the city's waterways were blocked by loose barges, boats and large debris.

>

> Officials said they were also looking at a more audacious plan: finding a

> barge to plug the 500-foot hole.

>

> " The challenge is an engineering nightmare, " the governor said on ABC's

> " Good Morning America. "

>

> As the sense of desperation deepened in New Orleans, hundreds of people

> wandered up and down Interstate 10, pushing shopping carts, laundry racks,

> anything they could find to carry their belongings. Dozens of fishermen

> from up to 200 miles away floated in on caravans of boats to pull

> residents out of flooded neighborhoods.

>

> On some of the few roads that were still passable, people waved at passing

> cars with empty water jugs, begging for relief. Hundreds of people

> appeared to have spent the night on a crippled highway.

>

> In one east New Orleans neighborhood, refugees were loaded onto the backs

> of moving vans like cattle, and in one case emergency workers with a

> sledgehammer and an ax broke open the back of a mail truck and used it to

> ferry sick and elderly residents.

>

> Police officers were asking residents to give up any guns they had before

> they boarded buses and trucks because police desperately needed the

> firepower: Some officers who had been stranded on the roof of a motel said

> they were being shot at overnight.

>

> The sweltering city of 480,000 people â? " an estimated 80 percent of whom

> obeyed orders to evacuate as Katrina closed in over the weekend â? " had no

> drinkable water, the electricity could be out for weeks, and looters were

> ransacking stores around town.

>

> Sections of Interstate 10, the only major freeway leading into New Orleans

> from the east, lay shattered, dozens of huge slabs of concrete floating in

> the floodwaters. I-10 is the only route for commercial trucking across

> southern Louisiana.

>

> In addition to the Houston Astrodome solution, the Federal Emergency

> Management Agency was considering putting people on cruise ships, in tent

> cities, mobile home parks, and so-called floating dormitories â? " boats

> the agency uses to house its own employees.

>

> A helicopter view of the devastation over Louisiana and Mississippi

> revealed people standing on black rooftops, baking in the sunshine while

> waiting for rescue boats.

>

> " I can only imagine that this is what Hiroshima looked like 60 years ago, "

> said Mississippi Gov. Haley Barbour after touring the destruction by air

> Tuesday.

>

> All day long, rescuers in boats and helicopters plucked bedraggled flood

> refugees from rooftops and attics. Louisiana Lt. Gov. Mitch Landrieu said

> 3,000 people have been rescued by boat and air, some placed shivering and

> wet into helicopter baskets. They were brought by the truckload into

> shelters, some in wheelchairs and some carrying babies, with stories of

> survival and of those who didn't make it.

>

> " Oh my God, it was hell, " said Kioka Williams, who had to hack through the

> ceiling of the beauty shop where she worked as floodwaters rose in New

> Orleans' low-lying Ninth Ward. " We were screaming, hollering, flashing

> lights. It was complete chaos. "

>

> Looting broke out in some New Orleans neighborhoods, prompting authorities

> to send more than 70 additional officers and an armed personnel carrier

> into the city. One police officer was shot in the head by a looter but was

> expected to recover, authorities said.

>

> A giant new Wal-Mart in New Orleans was looted, and the entire gun

> collection was taken, The Times-Picayune newspaper reported. " There are

> gangs of armed men in the city moving around the city, " said Ebbert, the

> city's homeland security chief.

>

> The governor acknowledged that looting was a severe problem but said that

> officials had to focus on survivors. " We don't like looters one bit, but

> first and foremost is search and rescue, " she said.

>

> In Washington, the Bush administration decided to release crude oil from

> federal petroleum reserves to help refiners whose supply was disrupted by

> Katrina. The announcement helped push oil prices lower.

>

> ___

>

> Associated Press reporters Holbrook Mohr, Mary Foster, Allen G. Breed,

> Adam Nossiter and Jay Reeves contributed to this report.

>

>

> a blinding flash

> hotter than the sun

> dead bodies lie across the path

> the radiation colors the air

> finishing one by one

>

>

>

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no place is truly safe

sure there are hurricanes in the south...

and in the midwest you get tornadoes

out here its earthquakes(and we are overdue fer a tsunami as well)

in the north you freeze yer tuchus off come winter

nowhere is perfect

 

 

Lynda <lurine

Aug 31, 2005 11:14 PM

 

Re: thousands dead...?

 

TX hurrricane in the early 1900s cost at least 8,000 lives.

 

I just did some stats on the hurricanes down there and it is time those

folks started thinking about moving!

 

The last major, major hurricane (Andrew or Camille) cost $26.5 BILLION in

1992 dollars. And it didn't do as much damage!

 

New Orleans is 6' below sea level. They get clobbered one way or another

every single year. They've had major damage at least once every decade!

MAJOR hits by MAJOR hurricanes!

 

You know they'd be screaming at people who live in SF if the same were true

of earthquakes. Good grief, there have only been 2 major ones in a century

and they are still screaming about people being crazy to live there. These

folks in the south just don't make any sense!

 

Lynda

 

Lynda

 

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" fraggle " <EBbrewpunx

; <lettuceheads >;

<TFHB >

Wednesday, August 31, 2005 1:56 PM

thousands dead...?

 

 

> where's the national guard?

> oh yeah..iraq.....

>

>

> Mayor: Katrina May Have Killed Thousands By BRETT MARTEL, Associated Press

> Writer

> 27 minutes ago

>

>

>

> NEW ORLEANS - Hurricane Katrina probably killed thousands of people in New

> Orleans, the mayor said Wednesday â? " an estimate that, if accurate, would

> make the storm the nation's deadliest natural disaster since at least the

> 1906 San Francisco earthquake.

>

>

>

> " We know there is a significant number of dead bodies in the water, " and

> other people dead in attics, Mayor Ray Nagin said. Asked how many, he

> said: " Minimum, hundreds. Most likely, thousands. "

>

> The frightening estimate came as Army engineers struggled to plug New

> Orleans' breached levees with giant sandbags and concrete barriers, while

> authorities drew up plans to clear out the tens of thousands of people

> left in the Big Easy and all but abandon the flooded-out city. Many of the

> evacuees â? " including thousands now staying in the Superdome â? " will be

> moved to the Astrodome in Houston, 350 miles away.

>

> There will be a " total evacuation of the city. We have to. The city will

> not be functional for two or three months, " Nagin said. And he said people

> will not be allowed back into their homes for at least a month or two.

>

> Nagin estimated 50,000 to 100,000 people remained in New Orleans, a city

> of nearly half a million people. He said 14,000 to 15,000 a day could be

> evacuated.

>

> The Pentagon, meanwhile, began mounting one of the largest

> search-and-rescue operations in U.S. history, sending four Navy ships to

> the Gulf Coast with drinking water and other emergency supplies, along

> with the hospital ship USNS Comfort, search helicopters and elite SEAL

> water-rescue teams. American Red Cross workers from across the country

> converged on the devastated region in the agency's biggest-ever relief

> operation.

>

> Katrina slammed into the Gulf Coast on Monday just east of New Orleans

> with howling, 145-mile wind. The death toll has reached at least 110 in

> Mississippi alone. But the full magnitude of the disaster had been unclear

> for days; Louisiana has been putting aside the counting of the dead to

> concentrate on rescuing the living, many of whom were still trapped on

> rooftops and in attics.

>

> If the mayor's estimate holds true, it would make Katrina the nation's

> deadliest hurricane since 1900, when a storm in Galveston, Texas, killed

> between 6,000 and 12,000 people. The death toll in the San Francisco

> earthquake and the resulting fire has been put at anywhere from about 500

> to 6,000.

>

> A full day after the Big Easy thought it had escaped Katrina's full fury,

> two levees broke and spilled water into the streets Tuesday, swamping an

> estimated 80 percent of the bowl-shaped, below-sea-level city, inundating

> miles and miles of homes and rendering much of New Orleans uninhabitable

> for weeks or months.

>

> With the streets awash and looters brazenly cleaning out stores,

> authorities planned to move at least 25,000 of the New Orleans' storm

> refugees to the Astrodome in a vast, two-day convoy of some 475 buses.

>

> Many of the city's storm refugees â? " 15,000 to 20,000 people â? " were in

> the Superdome, which had become hot and stuffy, with broken toilets and

> nowhere for anyone to bathe. " It can no longer operate as a shelter of

> last resort, " the mayor said.

>

> Gov. Kathleen Blanco said the situation was desperate and there was no

> choice but to clear out.

>

> " The logistical problems are impossible and we have to evacuate people in

> shelters, " the governor said. " It's becoming untenable. There's no power.

> It's getting more difficult to get food and water supplies in, just basic

> essentials. "

>

> Around midday, officials with the state and the Army Corps of Engineers

> said the water levels between the city and Lake Pontchartrain had

> equalized, and water had stopped rising in New Orleans, and even appeared

> to be falling, at least in some places. But the danger was far from over.

>

> The Army Corps of Engineers said it planned to use heavy-duty Chinook

> helicopters to drop 20,000-pound sandbags Wednesday into the 500-foot gap

> in the failed floodwall. But the agency said it was having trouble getting

> the sandbags and dozens of 15-foot highway barriers to the site because

> the city's waterways were blocked by loose barges, boats and large debris.

>

> Officials said they were also looking at a more audacious plan: finding a

> barge to plug the 500-foot hole.

>

> " The challenge is an engineering nightmare, " the governor said on ABC's

> " Good Morning America. "

>

> As the sense of desperation deepened in New Orleans, hundreds of people

> wandered up and down Interstate 10, pushing shopping carts, laundry racks,

> anything they could find to carry their belongings. Dozens of fishermen

> from up to 200 miles away floated in on caravans of boats to pull

> residents out of flooded neighborhoods.

>

> On some of the few roads that were still passable, people waved at passing

> cars with empty water jugs, begging for relief. Hundreds of people

> appeared to have spent the night on a crippled highway.

>

> In one east New Orleans neighborhood, refugees were loaded onto the backs

> of moving vans like cattle, and in one case emergency workers with a

> sledgehammer and an ax broke open the back of a mail truck and used it to

> ferry sick and elderly residents.

>

> Police officers were asking residents to give up any guns they had before

> they boarded buses and trucks because police desperately needed the

> firepower: Some officers who had been stranded on the roof of a motel said

> they were being shot at overnight.

>

> The sweltering city of 480,000 people â? " an estimated 80 percent of whom

> obeyed orders to evacuate as Katrina closed in over the weekend â? " had no

> drinkable water, the electricity could be out for weeks, and looters were

> ransacking stores around town.

>

> Sections of Interstate 10, the only major freeway leading into New Orleans

> from the east, lay shattered, dozens of huge slabs of concrete floating in

> the floodwaters. I-10 is the only route for commercial trucking across

> southern Louisiana.

>

> In addition to the Houston Astrodome solution, the Federal Emergency

> Management Agency was considering putting people on cruise ships, in tent

> cities, mobile home parks, and so-called floating dormitories â? " boats

> the agency uses to house its own employees.

>

> A helicopter view of the devastation over Louisiana and Mississippi

> revealed people standing on black rooftops, baking in the sunshine while

> waiting for rescue boats.

>

> " I can only imagine that this is what Hiroshima looked like 60 years ago, "

> said Mississippi Gov. Haley Barbour after touring the destruction by air

> Tuesday.

>

> All day long, rescuers in boats and helicopters plucked bedraggled flood

> refugees from rooftops and attics. Louisiana Lt. Gov. Mitch Landrieu said

> 3,000 people have been rescued by boat and air, some placed shivering and

> wet into helicopter baskets. They were brought by the truckload into

> shelters, some in wheelchairs and some carrying babies, with stories of

> survival and of those who didn't make it.

>

> " Oh my God, it was hell, " said Kioka Williams, who had to hack through the

> ceiling of the beauty shop where she worked as floodwaters rose in New

> Orleans' low-lying Ninth Ward. " We were screaming, hollering, flashing

> lights. It was complete chaos. "

>

> Looting broke out in some New Orleans neighborhoods, prompting authorities

> to send more than 70 additional officers and an armed personnel carrier

> into the city. One police officer was shot in the head by a looter but was

> expected to recover, authorities said.

>

> A giant new Wal-Mart in New Orleans was looted, and the entire gun

> collection was taken, The Times-Picayune newspaper reported. " There are

> gangs of armed men in the city moving around the city, " said Ebbert, the

> city's homeland security chief.

>

> The governor acknowledged that looting was a severe problem but said that

> officials had to focus on survivors. " We don't like looters one bit, but

> first and foremost is search and rescue, " she said.

>

> In Washington, the Bush administration decided to release crude oil from

> federal petroleum reserves to help refiners whose supply was disrupted by

> Katrina. The announcement helped push oil prices lower.

>

> ___

>

> Associated Press reporters Holbrook Mohr, Mary Foster, Allen G. Breed,

> Adam Nossiter and Jay Reeves contributed to this report.

>

>

> a blinding flash

> hotter than the sun

> dead bodies lie across the path

> the radiation colors the air

> finishing one by one

>

>

>

> To send an email to -

>

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This is so heartbreaking. I can't even begin to imagine what these people are going thru. How do you re-build after this?fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote:

where's the national guard?oh yeah..iraq.....Mayor: Katrina May Have Killed Thousands By BRETT MARTEL, Associated Press Writer 27 minutes agoNEW ORLEANS - Hurricane Katrina probably killed thousands of people in New Orleans, the mayor said Wednesday — an estimate that, if accurate, would make the storm the nation's deadliest natural disaster since at least the 1906 San Francisco earthquake. "We know there is a significant number of dead bodies in the water," and other people dead in attics, Mayor Ray Nagin said. Asked how many, he said: "Minimum, hundreds. Most likely, thousands."The frightening estimate came as Army engineers struggled to plug New Orleans' breached levees with giant sandbags and concrete barriers, while authorities drew up plans to clear out the tens of thousands of people left in the Big

Easy and all but abandon the flooded-out city. Many of the evacuees — including thousands now staying in the Superdome — will be moved to the Astrodome in Houston, 350 miles away.There will be a "total evacuation of the city. We have to. The city will not be functional for two or three months," Nagin said. And he said people will not be allowed back into their homes for at least a month or two.Nagin estimated 50,000 to 100,000 people remained in New Orleans, a city of nearly half a million people. He said 14,000 to 15,000 a day could be evacuated.The Pentagon, meanwhile, began mounting one of the largest search-and-rescue operations in U.S. history, sending four Navy ships to the Gulf Coast with drinking water and other emergency supplies, along with the hospital ship USNS Comfort, search helicopters and elite SEAL water-rescue teams. American Red Cross workers from across the country converged on the

devastated region in the agency's biggest-ever relief operation.Katrina slammed into the Gulf Coast on Monday just east of New Orleans with howling, 145-mile wind. The death toll has reached at least 110 in Mississippi alone. But the full magnitude of the disaster had been unclear for days; Louisiana has been putting aside the counting of the dead to concentrate on rescuing the living, many of whom were still trapped on rooftops and in attics.If the mayor's estimate holds true, it would make Katrina the nation's deadliest hurricane since 1900, when a storm in Galveston, Texas, killed between 6,000 and 12,000 people. The death toll in the San Francisco earthquake and the resulting fire has been put at anywhere from about 500 to 6,000.A full day after the Big Easy thought it had escaped Katrina's full fury, two levees broke and spilled water into the streets Tuesday, swamping an estimated 80 percent of the bowl-shaped, below-sea-level city, inundating miles and

miles of homes and rendering much of New Orleans uninhabitable for weeks or months.With the streets awash and looters brazenly cleaning out stores, authorities planned to move at least 25,000 of the New Orleans' storm refugees to the Astrodome in a vast, two-day convoy of some 475 buses.Many of the city's storm refugees — 15,000 to 20,000 people — were in the Superdome, which had become hot and stuffy, with broken toilets and nowhere for anyone to bathe. "It can no longer operate as a shelter of last resort," the mayor said.Gov. Kathleen Blanco said the situation was desperate and there was no choice but to clear out."The logistical problems are impossible and we have to evacuate people in shelters," the governor said. "It's becoming untenable. There's no power. It's getting more difficult to get food and water supplies in, just basic essentials."Around midday, officials with the state and the Army Corps of Engineers said the water levels

between the city and Lake Pontchartrain had equalized, and water had stopped rising in New Orleans, and even appeared to be falling, at least in some places. But the danger was far from over.The Army Corps of Engineers said it planned to use heavy-duty Chinook helicopters to drop 20,000-pound sandbags Wednesday into the 500-foot gap in the failed floodwall. But the agency said it was having trouble getting the sandbags and dozens of 15-foot highway barriers to the site because the city's waterways were blocked by loose barges, boats and large debris.Officials said they were also looking at a more audacious plan: finding a barge to plug the 500-foot hole."The challenge is an engineering nightmare," the governor said on ABC's "Good Morning America."As the sense of desperation deepened in New Orleans, hundreds of people wandered up and down Interstate 10, pushing shopping carts, laundry racks, anything they could find to carry their belongings. Dozens of

fishermen from up to 200 miles away floated in on caravans of boats to pull residents out of flooded neighborhoods. On some of the few roads that were still passable, people waved at passing cars with empty water jugs, begging for relief. Hundreds of people appeared to have spent the night on a crippled highway. In one east New Orleans neighborhood, refugees were loaded onto the backs of moving vans like cattle, and in one case emergency workers with a sledgehammer and an ax broke open the back of a mail truck and used it to ferry sick and elderly residents. Police officers were asking residents to give up any guns they had before they boarded buses and trucks because police desperately needed the firepower: Some officers who had been stranded on the roof of a motel said they were being shot at overnight. The sweltering city of 480,000 people — an estimated 80 percent of whom obeyed orders to evacuate as Katrina closed in over the weekend — had no

drinkable water, the electricity could be out for weeks, and looters were ransacking stores around town. Sections of Interstate 10, the only major freeway leading into New Orleans from the east, lay shattered, dozens of huge slabs of concrete floating in the floodwaters. I-10 is the only route for commercial trucking across southern Louisiana. In addition to the Houston Astrodome solution, the Federal Emergency Management Agency was considering putting people on cruise ships, in tent cities, mobile home parks, and so-called floating dormitories — boats the agency uses to house its own employees. A helicopter view of the devastation over Louisiana and Mississippi revealed people standing on black rooftops, baking in the sunshine while waiting for rescue boats. "I can only imagine that this is what Hiroshima looked like 60 years ago," said Mississippi Gov. Haley Barbour after touring the destruction by air Tuesday. All

day long, rescuers in boats and helicopters plucked bedraggled flood refugees from rooftops and attics. Louisiana Lt. Gov. Mitch Landrieu said 3,000 people have been rescued by boat and air, some placed shivering and wet into helicopter baskets. They were brought by the truckload into shelters, some in wheelchairs and some carrying babies, with stories of survival and of those who didn't make it. "Oh my God, it was hell," said Kioka Williams, who had to hack through the ceiling of the beauty shop where she worked as floodwaters rose in New Orleans' low-lying Ninth Ward. "We were screaming, hollering, flashing lights. It was complete chaos." Looting broke out in some New Orleans neighborhoods, prompting authorities to send more than 70 additional officers and an armed personnel carrier into the city. One police officer was shot in the head by a looter but was expected to recover, authorities said. A giant new Wal-Mart in New Orleans was looted, and the entire

gun collection was taken, The Times-Picayune newspaper reported. "There are gangs of armed men in the city moving around the city," said Ebbert, the city's homeland security chief. The governor acknowledged that looting was a severe problem but said that officials had to focus on survivors. "We don't like looters one bit, but first and foremost is search and rescue," she said. In Washington, the Bush administration decided to release crude oil from federal petroleum reserves to help refiners whose supply was disrupted by Katrina. The announcement helped push oil prices lower. ___ Associated Press reporters Holbrook Mohr, Mary Foster, Allen G. Breed, Adam Nossiter and Jay Reeves contributed to this report. a blinding flash hotter than the sun dead bodies lie across the path the radiation colors the airfinishing one by oneJonnie

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slowly

and carefully

it might take months to pump out all the water...

 

at the moment, they have to seriously worry about disease...

 

and...if there were any problems with natural gas lines, they are gonna have some serious problems

 

and, fats domino is among the missing Jonnie Hellens Sep 1, 2005 10:50 AM Re: thousands dead...?

This is so heartbreaking. I can't even begin to imagine what these people are going thru. How do you re-build after this?fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote:

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It's home? My DH also grew up in Cali and came here after an earthquake that freaked him out pretty bad (his dad had also recently died from cancer, which didn't help). He did some research about natural disasters and came to the conclussion that there were two places he was unlikely to have a problem with a natural disaster, one being here in Phoenix, the other he doesn't remember where it is. When I told hiim about what fraggle said about Saline Springs, he said that's why he really doesn't want me to go visit my Ma or Sis anymore (they live in Vegas).

 

I know that Fox news here was making it seem as if the storm wasn't that bad. I doubt they were doing that in the area affected? I'm guessing that most of the peop who didn't leave were because they couldn't? I'm also guessing that a large amount of the peop in New Orleans don't have the money to rebuild. There's an affluent area too, but a large amount of the population there will have a very, very tough time pulling thru this. Lynda <lurine wrote:

TX hurrricane in the early 1900s cost at least 8,000 lives.I just did some stats on the hurricanes down there and it is time those folks started thinking about moving!The last major, major hurricane (Andrew or Camille) cost $26.5 BILLION in 1992 dollars. And it didn't do as much damage!New Orleans is 6' below sea level. They get clobbered one way or another every single year. They've had major damage at least once every decade! MAJOR hits by MAJOR hurricanes!You know they'd be screaming at people who live in SF if the same were true of earthquakes. Good grief, there have only been 2 major ones in a century and they are still screaming about people being crazy to live there. These folks in the south just don't make any sense!LyndaLynda-

"fraggle" <EBbrewpunx; <lettuceheads >; <TFHB >Wednesday, August 31, 2005 1:56 PM thousands dead...?> where's the national guard?> oh yeah..iraq.....>>> Mayor: Katrina May Have Killed Thousands By BRETT MARTEL, Associated Press > Writer> 27 minutes ago>>>> NEW ORLEANS - Hurricane Katrina probably killed thousands of people in New > Orleans, the mayor said Wednesday â?" an estimate that, if accurate, would > make the storm the nation's deadliest natural disaster since at least the > 1906 San Francisco earthquake.>> >> "We know there is a significant number of dead bodies in the water," and > other people dead in attics, Mayor Ray Nagin said. Asked how many, he > said:

"Minimum, hundreds. Most likely, thousands.">> The frightening estimate came as Army engineers struggled to plug New > Orleans' breached levees with giant sandbags and concrete barriers, while > authorities drew up plans to clear out the tens of thousands of people > left in the Big Easy and all but abandon the flooded-out city. Many of the > evacuees â?" including thousands now staying in the Superdome â?" will be > moved to the Astrodome in Houston, 350 miles away.>> There will be a "total evacuation of the city. We have to. The city will > not be functional for two or three months," Nagin said. And he said people > will not be allowed back into their homes for at least a month or two.>> Nagin estimated 50,000 to 100,000 people remained in New Orleans, a city > of nearly half a million people. He said 14,000 to 15,000 a day could be > evacuated.>>

The Pentagon, meanwhile, began mounting one of the largest > search-and-rescue operations in U.S. history, sending four Navy ships to > the Gulf Coast with drinking water and other emergency supplies, along > with the hospital ship USNS Comfort, search helicopters and elite SEAL > water-rescue teams. American Red Cross workers from across the country > converged on the devastated region in the agency's biggest-ever relief > operation.>> Katrina slammed into the Gulf Coast on Monday just east of New Orleans > with howling, 145-mile wind. The death toll has reached at least 110 in > Mississippi alone. But the full magnitude of the disaster had been unclear > for days; Louisiana has been putting aside the counting of the dead to > concentrate on rescuing the living, many of whom were still trapped on > rooftops and in attics.>> If the

mayor's estimate holds true, it would make Katrina the nation's > deadliest hurricane since 1900, when a storm in Galveston, Texas, killed > between 6,000 and 12,000 people. The death toll in the San Francisco > earthquake and the resulting fire has been put at anywhere from about 500 > to 6,000.>> A full day after the Big Easy thought it had escaped Katrina's full fury, > two levees broke and spilled water into the streets Tuesday, swamping an > estimated 80 percent of the bowl-shaped, below-sea-level city, inundating > miles and miles of homes and rendering much of New Orleans uninhabitable > for weeks or months.>> With the streets awash and looters brazenly cleaning out stores, > authorities planned to move at least 25,000 of the New Orleans' storm > refugees to the Astrodome in a vast, two-day convoy of some 475 buses.>> Many of the city's storm refugees â?" 15,000 to

20,000 people â?" were in > the Superdome, which had become hot and stuffy, with broken toilets and > nowhere for anyone to bathe. "It can no longer operate as a shelter of > last resort," the mayor said.>> Gov. Kathleen Blanco said the situation was desperate and there was no > choice but to clear out.>> "The logistical problems are impossible and we have to evacuate people in > shelters," the governor said. "It's becoming untenable. There's no power. > It's getting more difficult to get food and water supplies in, just basic > essentials.">> Around midday, officials with the state and the Army Corps of Engineers > said the water levels between the city and Lake Pontchartrain had > equalized, and water had stopped rising in New Orleans, and even appeared > to be falling, at least in some places. But the danger was far from over.>> The Army Corps of Engineers

said it planned to use heavy-duty Chinook > helicopters to drop 20,000-pound sandbags Wednesday into the 500-foot gap > in the failed floodwall. But the agency said it was having trouble getting > the sandbags and dozens of 15-foot highway barriers to the site because > the city's waterways were blocked by loose barges, boats and large debris.>> Officials said they were also looking at a more audacious plan: finding a > barge to plug the 500-foot hole.>> "The challenge is an engineering nightmare," the governor said on ABC's > "Good Morning America.">> As the sense of desperation deepened in New Orleans, hundreds of people > wandered up and down Interstate 10, pushing shopping carts, laundry racks, > anything they could find to carry their belongings. Dozens of fishermen > from up to 200 miles away floated in on caravans of boats to pull > residents out of flooded

neighborhoods.>> On some of the few roads that were still passable, people waved at passing > cars with empty water jugs, begging for relief. Hundreds of people > appeared to have spent the night on a crippled highway.>> In one east New Orleans neighborhood, refugees were loaded onto the backs > of moving vans like cattle, and in one case emergency workers with a > sledgehammer and an ax broke open the back of a mail truck and used it to > ferry sick and elderly residents.>> Police officers were asking residents to give up any guns they had before > they boarded buses and trucks because police desperately needed the > firepower: Some officers who had been stranded on the roof of a motel said > they were being shot at overnight.>> The sweltering city of 480,000 people â?" an estimated 80 percent of whom > obeyed orders to evacuate as Katrina closed in over the

weekend â?" had no > drinkable water, the electricity could be out for weeks, and looters were > ransacking stores around town.>> Sections of Interstate 10, the only major freeway leading into New Orleans > from the east, lay shattered, dozens of huge slabs of concrete floating in > the floodwaters. I-10 is the only route for commercial trucking across > southern Louisiana.>> In addition to the Houston Astrodome solution, the Federal Emergency > Management Agency was considering putting people on cruise ships, in tent > cities, mobile home parks, and so-called floating dormitories â?" boats > the agency uses to house its own employees.>> A helicopter view of the devastation over Louisiana and Mississippi > revealed people standing on black rooftops, baking in the sunshine while > waiting for rescue boats.>> "I can only imagine that

this is what Hiroshima looked like 60 years ago," > said Mississippi Gov. Haley Barbour after touring the destruction by air > Tuesday.>> All day long, rescuers in boats and helicopters plucked bedraggled flood > refugees from rooftops and attics. Louisiana Lt. Gov. Mitch Landrieu said > 3,000 people have been rescued by boat and air, some placed shivering and > wet into helicopter baskets. They were brought by the truckload into > shelters, some in wheelchairs and some carrying babies, with stories of > survival and of those who didn't make it.>> "Oh my God, it was hell," said Kioka Williams, who had to hack through the > ceiling of the beauty shop where she worked as floodwaters rose in New > Orleans' low-lying Ninth Ward. "We were screaming, hollering, flashing > lights. It was complete chaos.">> Looting broke out in some New Orleans neighborhoods, prompting authorities

> to send more than 70 additional officers and an armed personnel carrier > into the city. One police officer was shot in the head by a looter but was > expected to recover, authorities said.>> A giant new Wal-Mart in New Orleans was looted, and the entire gun > collection was taken, The Times-Picayune newspaper reported. "There are > gangs of armed men in the city moving around the city," said Ebbert, the > city's homeland security chief.>> The governor acknowledged that looting was a severe problem but said that > officials had to focus on survivors. "We don't like looters one bit, but > first and foremost is search and rescue," she said.>> In Washington, the Bush administration decided to release crude oil from > federal petroleum reserves to help refiners whose supply was disrupted by > Katrina. The announcement helped push oil prices lower.>>

___>> Associated Press reporters Holbrook Mohr, Mary Foster, Allen G. Breed, > Adam Nossiter and Jay Reeves contributed to this report.>>> a blinding flash> hotter than the sun> dead bodies lie across the path> the radiation colors the air> finishing one by one>>>> To send an email to - >

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course..if anything happens to yer water supply, yer all doomed in phoenix

can ya imagine if something happened to yer powergrid in july?

Jonnie Hellens Sep 1, 2005 11:18 AM Re: thousands dead...?

It's home? My DH also grew up in Cali and came here after an earthquake that freaked him out pretty bad (his dad had also recently died from cancer, which didn't help). He did some research about natural disasters and came to the conclussion that there were two places he was unlikely to have a problem with a natural disaster, one being here in Phoenix, the other he doesn't remember where it is. When I told hiim about what fraggle said about Saline Springs, he said that's why he really doesn't want me to go visit my Ma or Sis anymore (they live in Vegas).

 

I know that Fox news here was making it seem as if the storm wasn't that bad. I doubt they were doing that in the area affected? I'm guessing that most of the peop who didn't leave were because they couldn't? I'm also guessing that a large amount of the peop in New Orleans don't have the money to rebuild. There's an affluent area too, but a large amount of the population there will have a very, very tough time pulling thru this.

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Unfortunately, ( or so I heard) New Orleans main money generator is ( was ) gambling. Not a lot of use for that now is there?

 

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It's home? My DH also grew up in Cali and came here after an earthquake that freaked him out pretty bad (his dad had also recently died from cancer, which didn't help). He did some research about natural disasters and came to the conclussion that there were two places he was unlikely to have a problem with a natural disaster, one being here in Phoenix, the other he doesn't remember where it is. When I told hiim about what fraggle said about Saline Springs, he said that's why he really doesn't want me to go visit my Ma or Sis anymore (they live in Vegas).

 

I know that Fox news here was making it seem as if the storm wasn't that bad. I doubt they were doing that in the area affected? I'm guessing that most of the peop who didn't leave were because they couldn't? I'm also guessing that a large amount of the peop in New Orleans don't have the money to rebuild. There's an affluent area too, but a large amount of the population there will have a very, very tough time pulling thru this. Lynda <lurine wrote:

TX hurrricane in the early 1900s cost at least 8,000 lives.I just did some stats on the hurricanes down there and it is time those folks started thinking about moving!The last major, major hurricane (Andrew or Camille) cost $26.5 BILLION in 1992 dollars. And it didn't do as much damage!New Orleans is 6' below sea level. They get clobbered one way or another every single year. They've had major damage at least once every decade! MAJOR hits by MAJOR hurricanes!You know they'd be screaming at people who live in SF if the same were true of earthquakes. Good grief, there have only been 2 major ones in a century and they are still screaming about people being crazy to live there. These folks in the south just don't make any sense!LyndaLynda-

"fraggle" <EBbrewpunx; <lettuceheads >; <TFHB >Wednesday, August 31, 2005 1:56 PM thousands dead...?> where's the national guard?> oh yeah..iraq.....>>> Mayor: Katrina May Have Killed Thousands By BRETT MARTEL, Associated Press > Writer> 27 minutes ago>>>> NEW ORLEANS - Hurricane Katrina probably killed thousands of people in New > Orleans, the mayor said Wednesday â?" an estimate that, if accurate, would > make the storm the nation's deadliest natural disaster since at least the > 1906 San Francisco earthquake.>> >> "We know there is a significant number of dead bodies in the water," and > other people dead in attics, Mayor Ray Nagin said. Asked how many, he > said:

"Minimum, hundreds. Most likely, thousands.">> The frightening estimate came as Army engineers struggled to plug New > Orleans' breached levees with giant sandbags and concrete barriers, while > authorities drew up plans to clear out the tens of thousands of people > left in the Big Easy and all but abandon the flooded-out city. Many of the > evacuees â?" including thousands now staying in the Superdome â?" will be > moved to the Astrodome in Houston, 350 miles away.>> There will be a "total evacuation of the city. We have to. The city will > not be functional for two or three months," Nagin said. And he said people > will not be allowed back into their homes for at least a month or two.>> Nagin estimated 50,000 to 100,000 people remained in New Orleans, a city > of nearly half a million people. He said 14,000 to 15,000 a day could be > evacuated.>>

The Pentagon, meanwhile, began mounting one of the largest > search-and-rescue operations in U.S. history, sending four Navy ships to > the Gulf Coast with drinking water and other emergency supplies, along > with the hospital ship USNS Comfort, search helicopters and elite SEAL > water-rescue teams. American Red Cross workers from across the country > converged on the devastated region in the agency's biggest-ever relief > operation.>> Katrina slammed into the Gulf Coast on Monday just east of New Orleans > with howling, 145-mile wind. The death toll has reached at least 110 in > Mississippi alone. But the full magnitude of the disaster had been unclear > for days; Louisiana has been putting aside the counting of the dead to > concentrate on rescuing the living, many of whom were still trapped on > rooftops and in attics.>> If the

mayor's estimate holds true, it would make Katrina the nation's > deadliest hurricane since 1900, when a storm in Galveston, Texas, killed > between 6,000 and 12,000 people. The death toll in the San Francisco > earthquake and the resulting fire has been put at anywhere from about 500 > to 6,000.>> A full day after the Big Easy thought it had escaped Katrina's full fury, > two levees broke and spilled water into the streets Tuesday, swamping an > estimated 80 percent of the bowl-shaped, below-sea-level city, inundating > miles and miles of homes and rendering much of New Orleans uninhabitable > for weeks or months.>> With the streets awash and looters brazenly cleaning out stores, > authorities planned to move at least 25,000 of the New Orleans' storm > refugees to the Astrodome in a vast, two-day convoy of some 475 buses.>> Many of the city's storm refugees â?" 15,000 to

20,000 people â?" were in > the Superdome, which had become hot and stuffy, with broken toilets and > nowhere for anyone to bathe. "It can no longer operate as a shelter of > last resort," the mayor said.>> Gov. Kathleen Blanco said the situation was desperate and there was no > choice but to clear out.>> "The logistical problems are impossible and we have to evacuate people in > shelters," the governor said. "It's becoming untenable. There's no power. > It's getting more difficult to get food and water supplies in, just basic > essentials.">> Around midday, officials with the state and the Army Corps of Engineers > said the water levels between the city and Lake Pontchartrain had > equalized, and water had stopped rising in New Orleans, and even appeared > to be falling, at least in some places. But the danger was far from over.>> The Army Corps of Engineers

said it planned to use heavy-duty Chinook > helicopters to drop 20,000-pound sandbags Wednesday into the 500-foot gap > in the failed floodwall. But the agency said it was having trouble getting > the sandbags and dozens of 15-foot highway barriers to the site because > the city's waterways were blocked by loose barges, boats and large debris.>> Officials said they were also looking at a more audacious plan: finding a > barge to plug the 500-foot hole.>> "The challenge is an engineering nightmare," the governor said on ABC's > "Good Morning America.">> As the sense of desperation deepened in New Orleans, hundreds of people > wandered up and down Interstate 10, pushing shopping carts, laundry racks, > anything they could find to carry their belongings. Dozens of fishermen > from up to 200 miles away floated in on caravans of boats to pull > residents out of flooded

neighborhoods.>> On some of the few roads that were still passable, people waved at passing > cars with empty water jugs, begging for relief. Hundreds of people > appeared to have spent the night on a crippled highway.>> In one east New Orleans neighborhood, refugees were loaded onto the backs > of moving vans like cattle, and in one case emergency workers with a > sledgehammer and an ax broke open the back of a mail truck and used it to > ferry sick and elderly residents.>> Police officers were asking residents to give up any guns they had before > they boarded buses and trucks because police desperately needed the > firepower: Some officers who had been stranded on the roof of a motel said > they were being shot at overnight.>> The sweltering city of 480,000 people â?" an estimated 80 percent of whom > obeyed orders to evacuate as Katrina closed in over the

weekend â?" had no > drinkable water, the electricity could be out for weeks, and looters were > ransacking stores around town.>> Sections of Interstate 10, the only major freeway leading into New Orleans > from the east, lay shattered, dozens of huge slabs of concrete floating in > the floodwaters. I-10 is the only route for commercial trucking across > southern Louisiana.>> In addition to the Houston Astrodome solution, the Federal Emergency > Management Agency was considering putting people on cruise ships, in tent > cities, mobile home parks, and so-called floating dormitories â?" boats > the agency uses to house its own employees.>> A helicopter view of the devastation over Louisiana and Mississippi > revealed people standing on black rooftops, baking in the sunshine while > waiting for rescue boats.>> "I can only imagine that

this is what Hiroshima looked like 60 years ago," > said Mississippi Gov. Haley Barbour after touring the destruction by air > Tuesday.>> All day long, rescuers in boats and helicopters plucked bedraggled flood > refugees from rooftops and attics. Louisiana Lt. Gov. Mitch Landrieu said > 3,000 people have been rescued by boat and air, some placed shivering and > wet into helicopter baskets. They were brought by the truckload into > shelters, some in wheelchairs and some carrying babies, with stories of > survival and of those who didn't make it.>> "Oh my God, it was hell," said Kioka Williams, who had to hack through the > ceiling of the beauty shop where she worked as floodwaters rose in New > Orleans' low-lying Ninth Ward. "We were screaming, hollering, flashing > lights. It was complete chaos.">> Looting broke out in some New Orleans neighborhoods, prompting authorities

> to send more than 70 additional officers and an armed personnel carrier > into the city. One police officer was shot in the head by a looter but was > expected to recover, authorities said.>> A giant new Wal-Mart in New Orleans was looted, and the entire gun > collection was taken, The Times-Picayune newspaper reported. "There are > gangs of armed men in the city moving around the city," said Ebbert, the > city's homeland security chief.>> The governor acknowledged that looting was a severe problem but said that > officials had to focus on survivors. "We don't like looters one bit, but > first and foremost is search and rescue," she said.>> In Washington, the Bush administration decided to release crude oil from > federal petroleum reserves to help refiners whose supply was disrupted by > Katrina. The announcement helped push oil prices lower.>>

___>> Associated Press reporters Holbrook Mohr, Mary Foster, Allen G. Breed, > Adam Nossiter and Jay Reeves contributed to this report.>>> a blinding flash> hotter than the sun> dead bodies lie across the path> the radiation colors the air> finishing one by one>>>> To send an email to - >

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music will never be the same, among many things for them....fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote:

 

slowly

and carefully

it might take months to pump out all the water...

 

at the moment, they have to seriously worry about disease...

 

and...if there were any problems with natural gas lines, they are gonna have some serious problems

 

and, fats domino is among the missing Jonnie Hellens Sep 1, 2005 10:50 AM Re: thousands dead...?

This is so heartbreaking. I can't even begin to imagine what these people are going thru. How do you re-build after this?fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote:

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tourism was a mainstay of new orleans...from ppl searching out jazz, to anne rice fans to ppl wanting to be in the old french quarter and be in the big easy

 

also..lotsa petrochemical plants down that away....

 

must make for a nice mix in the flood waters peter hurd Sep 1, 2005 12:34 PM Re: thousands dead...?

Unfortunately, ( or so I heard) New Orleans main money generator is ( was ) gambling. Not a lot of use for that now is there?

 

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I don't wanna imagine either of those things. We have a wonderful series of canals here that the natives started a long, long time ago, but if the source was taken away... (I believe it's the Colorado?) I can get along ok enuf in the daytime without air conditoning, but I can't sleep at night when it's that hot. Every summer there's various dif apt complexes that are without air for various reasons. I remember one time that happened to us after a major power outage that trashed some sort of part that they had to special order and it was awful. The 2nd night we went to stay with someone else. I also remember another time that water in Apache Junction was contaminated and they were slow to release the info. What a panic! It turned out that there were 2 water companies and one was contaminated, but in the meantime, you couldn't get info other than the news said to use water for nothing... no showers, drinking, etc. It was a few

days before it was sorted out and fixed. Noper, don't wanna imagine those things happening on a larger scale.fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote:

 

course..if anything happens to yer water supply, yer all doomed in phoenix

can ya imagine if something happened to yer powergrid in july?

Jonnie Hellens Sep 1, 2005 11:18 AM Re: thousands dead...?

It's home? My DH also grew up in Cali and came here after an earthquake that freaked him out pretty bad (his dad had also recently died from cancer, which didn't help). He did some research about natural disasters and came to the conclussion that there were two places he was unlikely to have a problem with a natural disaster, one being here in Phoenix, the other he doesn't remember where it is. When I told hiim about what fraggle said about Saline Springs, he said that's why he really doesn't want me to go visit my Ma or Sis anymore (they live in Vegas).

 

I know that Fox news here was making it seem as if the storm wasn't that bad. I doubt they were doing that in the area affected? I'm guessing that most of the peop who didn't leave were because they couldn't? I'm also guessing that a large amount of the peop in New Orleans don't have the money to rebuild. There's an affluent area too, but a large amount of the population there will have a very, very tough time pulling thru this.

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DH and I were wondering why they didn't put the city busses to work transporting people. Or, commendere long haul truckers with empty trucks. There are so many things that could have been done and what amazed me was the number of people I saw in cars driving out of the areas that only had one person in them.

 

I don't know. I'm thinking the human race is regressing!

 

Lynda

 

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Re: thousands dead...?

 

It's home? My DH also grew up in Cali and came here after an earthquake that freaked him out pretty bad (his dad had also recently died from cancer, which didn't help). He did some research about natural disasters and came to the conclussion that there were two places he was unlikely to have a problem with a natural disaster, one being here in Phoenix, the other he doesn't remember where it is. When I told hiim about what fraggle said about Saline Springs, he said that's why he really doesn't want me to go visit my Ma or Sis anymore (they live in Vegas).

 

I know that Fox news here was making it seem as if the storm wasn't that bad. I doubt they were doing that in the area affected? I'm guessing that most of the peop who didn't leave were because they couldn't? I'm also guessing that a large amount of the peop in New Orleans don't have the money to rebuild. There's an affluent area too, but a large amount of the population there will have a very, very tough time pulling thru this. Lynda <lurine wrote:

TX hurrricane in the early 1900s cost at least 8,000 lives.I just did some stats on the hurricanes down there and it is time those folks started thinking about moving!The last major, major hurricane (Andrew or Camille) cost $26.5 BILLION in 1992 dollars. And it didn't do as much damage!New Orleans is 6' below sea level. They get clobbered one way or another every single year. They've had major damage at least once every decade! MAJOR hits by MAJOR hurricanes!You know they'd be screaming at people who live in SF if the same were true of earthquakes. Good grief, there have only been 2 major ones in a century and they are still screaming about people being crazy to live there. These folks in the south just don't make any sense!LyndaLynda - "fraggle" <EBbrewpunx; <lettuceheads >; <TFHB >Wednesday, August 31, 2005 1:56 PM thousands dead...?> where's the national guard?> oh yeah..iraq.....>>> Mayor: Katrina May Have Killed Thousands By BRETT MARTEL, Associated Press > Writer> 27 minutes ago>>>> NEW ORLEANS - Hurricane Katrina probably killed thousands of people in New > Orleans, the mayor said Wednesday â?" an estimate that, if accurate, would > make the storm the nation's deadliest natural disaster since at least the > 1906 San Francisco earthquake.>> >> "We know there is a significant number of dead bodies in the water," and > other people dead in attics, Mayor Ray Nagin said. Asked how many, he > said : "Minimum, hundreds. Most likely, thousands.">> The frightening estimate came as Army engineers struggled to plug New > Orleans' breached levees with giant sandbags and concrete barriers, while > authorities drew up plans to clear out the tens of thousands of people > left in the Big Easy and all but abandon the flooded-out city. Many of the > evacuees â?" including thousands now staying in the Superdome â?" will be > moved to the Astrodome in Houston, 350 miles away.>> There will be a "total evacuation of the city. We have to. The city will > not be functional for two or three months," Nagin said. And he said people > will not be allowed back into their homes for at least a month or two.>> Nagin estimated 50,000 to 100,000 people remained in New Orleans, a city > of nearly half a million people. He said 14,000 to 15,000 a day could be > evacuated.>> The Pentagon, meanwhile, began mounting one of the largest > search-and-rescue operations in U.S. history, sending four Navy ships to > the Gulf Coast with drinking water and other emergency supplies, along > with the hospital ship USNS Comfort, search helicopters and elite SEAL > water-rescue teams. American Red Cross workers from across the country > converged on the devastated region in the agency's biggest-ever relief > operation.>> Katrina slammed into the Gulf Coast on Monday just east of New Orleans > with howling, 145-mile wind. The death toll has reached at least 110 in > Mississippi alone. But the full magnitude of the disaster had been unclear > for days; Louisiana has been putting aside the counting of the dead to > concentrate on rescuing the living, many of whom were still trapped on > rooftops and in attics.>> If the mayor's estimate holds true, it would make Katrina the nation's > deadliest hurricane since 1900, when a storm in Galveston, Texas, killed > between 6,000 and 12,000 people. The death toll in the San Francisco > earthquake and the resulting fire has been put at anywhere from about 500 > to 6,000.>> A full day after the Big Easy thought it had escaped Katrina's full fury, > two levees broke and spilled water into the streets Tuesday, swamping an > estimated 80 percent of the bowl-shaped, below-sea-level city, inundating > miles and miles of homes and rendering much of New Orleans uninhabitable > for weeks or months.>> With the streets awash and looters brazenly cleaning out stores, > authorities planned to move at least 25,000 of the New Orleans' storm > refugees to the Astrodome in a vast, two-day convoy of some 475 buses.>> Many of the city's storm refugees â?" 15 ,000 to 20,000 people â?" were in > the Superdome, which had become hot and stuffy, with broken toilets and > nowhere for anyone to bathe. "It can no longer operate as a shelter of > last resort," the mayor said.>> Gov. Kathleen Blanco said the situation was desperate and there was no > choice but to clear out.>> "The logistical problems are impossible and we have to evacuate people in > shelters," the governor said. "It's becoming untenable. There's no power. > It's getting more difficult to get food and water supplies in, just basic > essentials.">> Around midday, officials with the state and the Army Corps of Engineers > said the water levels between the city and Lake Pontchartrain had > equalized, and water had stopped rising in New Orleans, and even appeared > to be falling, at least in some places. But the danger was far from over.>> The Army Corps of E ngineers said it planned to use heavy-duty Chinook > helicopters to drop 20,000-pound sandbags Wednesday into the 500-foot gap > in the failed floodwall. But the agency said it was having trouble getting > the sandbags and dozens of 15-foot highway barriers to the site because > the city's waterways were blocked by loose barges, boats and large debris.>> Officials said they were also looking at a more audacious plan: finding a > barge to plug the 500-foot hole.>> "The challenge is an engineering nightmare," the governor said on ABC's > "Good Morning America.">> As the sense of desperation deepened in New Orleans, hundreds of people > wandered up and down Interstate 10, pushing shopping carts, laundry racks, > anything they could find to carry their belongings. Dozens of fishermen > from up to 200 miles away floated in on caravans of boats to pull > residents out of flooded neighborhoods.>> On some of the few roads that were still passable, people waved at passing > cars with empty water jugs, begging for relief. Hundreds of people > appeared to have spent the night on a crippled highway.>> In one east New Orleans neighborhood, refugees were loaded onto the backs > of moving vans like cattle, and in one case emergency workers with a > sledgehammer and an ax broke open the back of a mail truck and used it to > ferry sick and elderly residents.>> Police officers were asking residents to give up any guns they had before > they boarded buses and trucks because police desperately needed the > firepower: Some officers who had been stranded on the roof of a motel said > they were being shot at overnight.>> The sweltering city of 480,000 people â?" an estimated 80 percent of whom > obeyed orders to evacuate as Katrina closed in over th e weekend â?" had no > drinkable water, the electricity could be out for weeks, and looters were > ransacking stores around town.>> Sections of Interstate 10, the only major freeway leading into New Orleans > from the east, lay shattered, dozens of huge slabs of concrete floating in > the floodwaters. I-10 is the only route for commercial trucking across > southern Louisiana.>> In addition to the Houston Astrodome solution, the Federal Emergency > Management Agency was considering putting people on cruise ships, in tent > cities, mobile home parks, and so-called floating dormitories â?" boats > the agency uses to house its own employees.>> A helicopter view of the devastation over Louisiana and Mississippi > revealed people standing on black rooftops, baking in the sunshine while > waiting for rescue boats.>> "I can only imagine that this is what Hiroshima looked like 60 years ago," > said Mississippi Gov. Haley Barbour after touring the destruction by air > Tuesday.>> All day long, rescuers in boats and helicopters plucked bedraggled flood > refugees from rooftops and attics. Louisiana Lt. Gov. Mitch Landrieu said > 3,000 people have been rescued by boat and air, some placed shivering and > wet into helicopter baskets. They were brought by the truckload into > shelters, some in wheelchairs and some carrying babies, with stories of > survival and of those who didn't make it.>> "Oh my God, it was hell," said Kioka Williams, who had to hack through the > ceiling of the beauty shop where she worked as floodwaters rose in New > Orleans' low-lying Ninth Ward. "We were screaming, hollering, flashing > lights. It was complete chaos.">> Looting broke out in some New Orleans neighborhoods, prompting aut horities > to send more than 70 additional officers and an armed personnel carrier > into the city. One police officer was shot in the head by a looter but was > expected to recover, authorities said.>> A giant new Wal-Mart in New Orleans was looted, and the entire gun > collection was taken, The Times-Picayune newspaper reported. "There are > gangs of armed men in the city moving around the city," said Ebbert, the > city's homeland security chief.>> The governor acknowledged that looting was a severe problem but said that > officials had to focus on survivors. "We don't like looters one bit, but > first and foremost is search and rescue," she said.>> In Washington, the Bush administration decided to release crude oil from > federal petroleum reserves to help refiners whose supply was disrupted by > Katrina. The announcement helped push oil prices lower.>> ___>> Associated Press reporters Holbrook Mohr, Mary Foster, Allen G. Breed, > Adam Nossiter and Jay Reeves contributed to this report.>>> a blinding flash> hotter than the sun> dead bodies lie across the path> the radiation colors the air> finishing one by one>>>> To send an email to - >

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My heart goes out to them,

The world is fragile, nature is powerful. What I have seen

in this past week.

Inequalities are strong and alive. People are strong helping one another.

People are weak, still clinging on to material objects.(tvs,dvds)

 

The charm, unique characteristics of new orleans and its people

the music, food, and personality lost now, perhaps, restored in time.

 

the bewildered children, in the moment hugging their daddys and

playing in the now, but so sad, when they say, mommy wheres my bed?

 

These things could happen to any one of us.

 

 

, Jonnie Hellens

<jonnie_hellens> wrote:

> This is so heartbreaking. I can't even begin to imagine what these

people are going thru. How do you re-build after this?

>

> fraggle <EBbrewpunx@e...> wrote:where's the national guard?

> oh yeah..iraq.....

>

>

> Mayor: Katrina May Have Killed Thousands By BRETT MARTEL, Associated

Press Writer

> 27 minutes ago

>

>

>

> NEW ORLEANS - Hurricane Katrina probably killed thousands of people

in New Orleans, the mayor said Wednesday †" an estimate that, if

accurate, would make the storm the nation's deadliest natural disaster

since at least the 1906 San Francisco earthquake.

>

>

>

> " We know there is a significant number of dead bodies in the water, "

and other people dead in attics, Mayor Ray Nagin said. Asked how many,

he said: " Minimum, hundreds. Most likely, thousands. "

>

> The frightening estimate came as Army engineers struggled to plug

New Orleans' breached levees with giant sandbags and concrete

barriers, while authorities drew up plans to clear out the tens of

thousands of people left in the Big Easy and all but abandon the

flooded-out city. Many of the evacuees †" including thousands now

staying in the Superdome †" will be moved to the Astrodome in

Houston, 350 miles away.

>

> There will be a " total evacuation of the city. We have to. The city

will not be functional for two or three months, " Nagin said. And he

said people will not be allowed back into their homes for at least a

month or two.

>

> Nagin estimated 50,000 to 100,000 people remained in New Orleans, a

city of nearly half a million people. He said 14,000 to 15,000 a day

could be evacuated.

>

> The Pentagon, meanwhile, began mounting one of the largest

search-and-rescue operations in U.S. history, sending four Navy ships

to the Gulf Coast with drinking water and other emergency supplies,

along with the hospital ship USNS Comfort, search helicopters and

elite SEAL water-rescue teams. American Red Cross workers from

across the country converged on the devastated region in the agency's

biggest-ever relief operation.

>

> Katrina slammed into the Gulf Coast on Monday just east of New

Orleans with howling, 145-mile wind. The death toll has reached at

least 110 in Mississippi alone. But the full magnitude of the disaster

had been unclear for days; Louisiana has been putting aside the

counting of the dead to concentrate on rescuing the living, many of

whom were still trapped on rooftops and in attics.

>

> If the mayor's estimate holds true, it would make Katrina the

nation's deadliest hurricane since 1900, when a storm in Galveston,

Texas, killed between 6,000 and 12,000 people. The death toll in the

San Francisco earthquake and the resulting fire has been put at

anywhere from about 500 to 6,000.

>

> A full day after the Big Easy thought it had escaped Katrina's full

fury, two levees broke and spilled water into the streets Tuesday,

swamping an estimated 80 percent of the bowl-shaped, below-sea-level

city, inundating miles and miles of homes and rendering much of New

Orleans uninhabitable for weeks or months.

>

> With the streets awash and looters brazenly cleaning out stores,

authorities planned to move at least 25,000 of the New Orleans' storm

refugees to the Astrodome in a vast, two-day convoy of some 475 buses.

>

> Many of the city's storm refugees †" 15,000 to 20,000 people †"

were in the Superdome, which had become hot and stuffy, with broken

toilets and nowhere for anyone to bathe. " It can no longer operate as

a shelter of last resort, " the mayor said.

>

> Gov. Kathleen Blanco said the situation was desperate and there was

no choice but to clear out.

>

> " The logistical problems are impossible and we have to evacuate

people in shelters, " the governor said. " It's becoming untenable.

There's no power. It's getting more difficult to get food and water

supplies in, just basic essentials. "

>

> Around midday, officials with the state and the Army Corps of

Engineers said the water levels between the city and Lake

Pontchartrain had equalized, and water had stopped rising in New

Orleans, and even appeared to be falling, at least in some places. But

the danger was far from over.

>

> The Army Corps of Engineers said it planned to use heavy-duty

Chinook helicopters to drop 20,000-pound sandbags Wednesday into the

500-foot gap in the failed floodwall. But the agency said it was

having trouble getting the sandbags and dozens of 15-foot highway

barriers to the site because the city's waterways were blocked by

loose barges, boats and large debris.

>

> Officials said they were also looking at a more audacious plan:

finding a barge to plug the 500-foot hole.

>

> " The challenge is an engineering nightmare, " the governor said on

ABC's " Good Morning America. "

>

> As the sense of desperation deepened in New Orleans, hundreds of

people wandered up and down Interstate 10, pushing shopping carts,

laundry racks, anything they could find to carry their belongings.

Dozens of fishermen from up to 200 miles away floated in on caravans

of boats to pull residents out of flooded neighborhoods.

>

> On some of the few roads that were still passable, people waved at

passing cars with empty water jugs, begging for relief. Hundreds of

people appeared to have spent the night on a crippled highway.

>

> In one east New Orleans neighborhood, refugees were loaded onto the

backs of moving vans like cattle, and in one case emergency workers

with a sledgehammer and an ax broke open the back of a mail truck and

used it to ferry sick and elderly residents.

>

> Police officers were asking residents to give up any guns they had

before they boarded buses and trucks because police desperately needed

the firepower: Some officers who had been stranded on the roof of a

motel said they were being shot at overnight.

>

> The sweltering city of 480,000 people †" an estimated 80 percent of

whom obeyed orders to evacuate as Katrina closed in over the weekend

†" had no drinkable water, the electricity could be out for weeks,

and looters were ransacking stores around town.

>

> Sections of Interstate 10, the only major freeway leading into New

Orleans from the east, lay shattered, dozens of huge slabs of concrete

floating in the floodwaters. I-10 is the only route for commercial

trucking across southern Louisiana.

>

> In addition to the Houston Astrodome solution, the Federal

Emergency Management Agency was considering putting people on cruise

ships, in tent cities, mobile home parks, and so-called floating

dormitories †" boats the agency uses to house its own employees.

>

> A helicopter view of the devastation over Louisiana and Mississippi

revealed people standing on black rooftops, baking in the sunshine

while waiting for rescue boats.

>

> " I can only imagine that this is what Hiroshima looked like 60 years

ago, " said Mississippi Gov. Haley Barbour after touring the

destruction by air Tuesday.

>

> All day long, rescuers in boats and helicopters plucked bedraggled

flood refugees from rooftops and attics. Louisiana Lt. Gov. Mitch

Landrieu said 3,000 people have been rescued by boat and air, some

placed shivering and wet into helicopter baskets. They were brought by

the truckload into shelters, some in wheelchairs and some carrying

babies, with stories of survival and of those who didn't make it.

>

> " Oh my God, it was hell, " said Kioka Williams, who had to hack

through the ceiling of the beauty shop where she worked as floodwaters

rose in New Orleans' low-lying Ninth Ward. " We were screaming,

hollering, flashing lights. It was complete chaos. "

>

> Looting broke out in some New Orleans neighborhoods, prompting

authorities to send more than 70 additional officers and an armed

personnel carrier into the city. One police officer was shot in the

head by a looter but was expected to recover, authorities said.

>

> A giant new Wal-Mart in New Orleans was looted, and the entire gun

collection was taken, The Times-Picayune newspaper reported. " There

are gangs of armed men in the city moving around the city, " said

Ebbert, the city's homeland security chief.

>

> The governor acknowledged that looting was a severe problem but said

that officials had to focus on survivors. " We don't like looters one

bit, but first and foremost is search and rescue, " she said.

>

> In Washington, the Bush administration decided to release crude oil

from federal petroleum reserves to help refiners whose supply was

disrupted by Katrina. The announcement helped push oil prices lower.

>

> ___

>

> Associated Press reporters Holbrook Mohr, Mary Foster, Allen G.

Breed, Adam Nossiter and Jay Reeves contributed to this report.

>

>

> a blinding flash

> hotter than the sun

> dead bodies lie across the path

> the radiation colors the air

> finishing one by one

>

>

> To send an email to -

>

>

>

>

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, fraggle <EBbrewpunx@e...> wrote:

> course..if anything happens to yer water supply, yer all doomed in

phoenix

can ya imagine if something happ

ened to yer

 

Hi fraggle,

 

my good ol aunt in the caribbean, when I was a kid, used to have

about 6 large containers in the backyard, whenever it rained, those

heavy

tropical storms, the containers would collect rain water.

 

We took the opportunity, to bathe in these rainstorms too.

We never had to Pay for water, with these resources, if at all very

little.

 

why she cleaned the house with this free water as well as wash the

clothes.

 

she put a lid on them when it wasn't raining to keep the mosquitoes

from laying eggs.

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too bad most people in the us have no idea about rain barrels er cisterns, or

the like

but..also, again, places like phoenix won't really work very well

the annual rainfall fer phoenix is like 7 inches...

you'd need a whole lot of barrels

considering theres something like 3 million people in the phoenix area...

 

 

Anouk Sickler <zurumato

Sep 3, 2005 11:03 AM

 

Re: thousands dead...?

 

 

, fraggle <EBbrewpunx@e...> wrote:

> course..if anything happens to yer water supply, yer all doomed in

phoenix

can ya imagine if something happ

ened to yer

 

Hi fraggle,

 

my good ol aunt in the caribbean, when I was a kid, used to have

about 6 large containers in the backyard, whenever it rained, those

heavy

tropical storms, the containers would collect rain water.

 

We took the opportunity, to bathe in these rainstorms too.

We never had to Pay for water, with these resources, if at all very

little.

 

why she cleaned the house with this free water as well as wash the

clothes.

 

she put a lid on them when it wasn't raining to keep the mosquitoes

from laying eggs.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Those who control the past, control the future; Those who control the future,

control the present; Those who control the present, control the past.^

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Here in Phoenix, it would just evaporate before the next rain...fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote:

too bad most people in the us have no idea about rain barrels er cisterns, or the likebut..also, again, places like phoenix won't really work very wellthe annual rainfall fer phoenix is like 7 inches...you'd need a whole lot of barrelsconsidering theres something like 3 million people in the phoenix area...Anouk Sickler <zurumatoSep 3, 2005 11:03 AM Subject: Re: thousands dead...? , fraggle <EBbrewpunx@e...> wrote:> course..if anything happens to yer water supply, yer all doomed inphoenixcan ya imagine if something happened to yer Hi fraggle,my good ol aunt in the caribbean, when I was a kid, used to haveabout 6 large containers in the

backyard, whenever it rained, thoseheavy tropical storms, the containers would collect rain water. We took the opportunity, to bathe in these rainstorms too. We never had to Pay for water, with these resources, if at all very little. why she cleaned the house with this free water as well as wash theclothes. she put a lid on them when it wasn't raining to keep the mosquitoesfrom laying eggs. Those who control the past, control the future; Those who control the future, control the present; Those who control the present, control the past.^ Jonnie

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