Guest guest Posted September 12, 2005 Report Share Posted September 12, 2005 Lynda If it isn't too personal...could you share your experience going through menopause while being vegan? I am curious about the whole thing...partly because we are all getting older and I will be there not so shortly. I am hoping herbs, a good diet, and yoga can keep a woman feeling and looking good. Kristina In a message dated 9/12/05 4:10:09 PM Pacific Daylight Time, writes: Message: 14 Mon, 12 Sep 2005 10:03:15 -0700 "Lynda" <lurineRe: Re: Hi! New here. . .Why would you start dairy at age one? Just curious because it is all pr about them needing dairy. Cow "dairy" is hard on your digestive system and particularly on the very young and the very old.I mean, it isn't that I am totally anti-dairy but rather that I am anti-misinformation which is the dairy industry's stock in trade.And, please, don't buy into the whole calcium thing. I never drank milk, period. I hated it from day one and my parents gave up on it. At well past 50 and post menopause and post hysterectomy, the docs insisted that I have a complete bone scan for two reasons, one the dairy and two I refused tortured horse hormones. My bone scan was better than that of a 35 year old!Lynda - sandi gordon Tuesday, September 06, 2005 1:04 PM Re: Re: Hi! New here. . . My oldest will be 2 next month and he has maybe 5bites of chicken,but otherwise he doesn't eat meat,he does love dairy though,he was a veg. up until age one,we will start dairy on our babe at age one too,I will not force them to go my way or daddys way they can decide when they are older,sure I would love for them to veg's,but only time will tell April London <april wrote: My sons are 3 and 6 (almost 7) and yes they are both vegan as well. Nathan, my youngest, has been since birth and Jacob has been vegetarian since he was about 1.5 and then vegan for the past year like us. LOL I really haven't had that hard of a time getting them to eat veggies. More my 3 year old than the other but they're both pretty good about it. I basically just tell them that this is what I've made for dinner either eat it or starve. LOL But in all honesty there isn't anything they really won't eat. April On Sep 6, 2005, at 9:58 AM, earthstrm wrote: > Hi April and WELCOME! > > If you don't mind my asking, how old are your boys and have they also > been Vegan/Veggie? I only ask because my son is about to turn 7 and I > have the most difficult time getting him to eat veggies. > > Nikki > > > , April London wrote: > > Hi, my name is April and I just joined this group. My husband and I > > have been vegan for about a year now and vegetarian for about 14 > years. > >  We have two boys, also vegan, and live in St. Augustine, FL. > > > > I can't wait to get to know all of you better and am very excited to > be > > a part of this group. > > > > April > > > > > To send an email to - > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2005 Report Share Posted September 13, 2005 Oh dear, I'm not vegan. I'm not even vegetarian. I am the token "other" on the list <g> I rarely eat meat and actively support the youngest kidlet who is working at becoming vegan. That is why I joined the list, to help her with her journey. However, I refused to go through menopause <g> I refused to listen to all the horror stories because I think that is half the problem. I mean, if someone keeps telling you over and over and over again just how miserable you are going to be, then I think it effects you and then you do feel horrible to some degree. So, I had a hysterectomy (total) and they told me "it will throw you into menopause, HARD!" And then told me about all the pills I would have to take inorder to remain healthy and "sane." Sane? I've raised teenage boys, how sane could I be <g> I refused the pills and used Estroven for a short time but didn't really see that it was doing all that much. So, I stuck with my usual diet -- lots of beans, rice and veggies with a little pasta and the occasional sweet thrown in cause DH and the kidlet love their desserts. Oh, and salads every single day. We eat all organic and we rarely buy anything packaged and rarely eat out. I think the organic, the lack of preservatives and keeping in mind a balanced diet and the right mindset are what works the best. Oh, and exercise. I walk and lift weights. DH lifts weights. The kidlet does yoga, trampolines daily and rides her bicycle daily (about 4 miles). However, that said, I have two cousins who are vegetarian and vegan. Both are old as dirt, such as myself, and they also don't do the pills. Their diet is the same as mine, only they don't eat any meat, needless to say. They also have had no problems with menopause. Barb does use the Estroven and Sandi goes to a local herbalist. And they both got an "A" on their bone scans! I figure it is the broccoli <g> Lynda, who could eat broccoli 3 times a day! - lv2breathe Cc: Lv2breathe Monday, September 12, 2005 4:21 PM Re: Vegan menopause Lynda If it isn't too personal...could you share your experience going through menopause while being vegan? I am curious about the whole thing...partly because we are all getting older and I will be there not so shortly. I am hoping herbs, a good diet, and yoga can keep a woman feeling and looking good. Kristina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2005 Report Share Posted September 13, 2005 I didn't notice any difference. I had a hysterectomy at 45, and, not being as forceful then, accepted the hrt patches (I did insist on non- animal which is available fairly easily here) the doctor insisted on for five years. She wanted me to go on with it at least another five years, but I just stopped using it and had absolutely no 'symptoms' at all. I think if you eat a good diet with plenty of vegetables (magnesium) you won't notice a thing. I sometimes wonder if people experience what they expect to. Jo , lv2breathe@a... wrote: > > Lynda > > If it isn't too personal...could you share your experience going through > menopause while being vegan? I am curious about the whole thing...partly > because we are all getting older and I will be there not so shortly. > > I am hoping herbs, a good diet, and yoga can keep a woman feeling and > looking good. > > Kristina > > In a message dated 9/12/05 4:10:09 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > writes: > > Message: 14 > Mon, 12 Sep 2005 10:03:15 -0700 > " Lynda " <lurine@s...> > Re: Re: Hi! New here. . . > > Why would you start dairy at age one? Just curious because it is all pr > about them needing dairy. Cow " dairy " is hard on your digestive system and > particularly on the very young and the very old. > > I mean, it isn't that I am totally anti-dairy but rather that I am ant > i-misinformation which is the dairy industry's stock in trade. > > And, please, don't buy into the whole calcium thing. I never drank milk, > period. I hated it from day one and my parents gave up on it. At well past 50 > and post menopause and post hysterectomy, the docs insisted that I have a > complete bone scan for two reasons, one the dairy and two I refused tortured > horse hormones. My bone scan was better than that of a 35 year old! > > Lynda > - > sandi gordon > > Tuesday, September 06, 2005 1:04 PM > Re: Re: Hi! New here. . . > > > My oldest will be 2 next month and he has maybe 5bites of chicken,but > otherwise he doesn't eat meat,he does love dairy though,he was a veg. up until age > one,we will start dairy on our babe at age one too,I will not force them to > go my way or daddys way they can decide when they are older,sure I would love > for them to veg's,but only time will tell > > April London <april@f...> wrote: > My sons are 3 and 6 (almost 7) and yes they are both vegan as well. > Nathan, my youngest, has been since birth and Jacob has been vegetarian > since he was about 1.5 and then vegan for the past year like us. LOL > > I really haven't had that hard of a time getting them to eat veggies. > More my 3 year old than the other but they're both pretty good about > it. I basically just tell them that this is what I've made for dinner > either eat it or starve. LOL But in all honesty there isn't anything > they really won't eat. > > April > > > On Sep 6, 2005, at 9:58 AM, earthstrm wrote: > > > Hi April and WELCOME! > > > > If you don't mind my asking, how old are your boys and have they also > > been Vegan/Veggie? I only ask because my son is about to turn 7 and I > > have the most difficult time getting him to eat veggies. > > > > Nikki > > > > > > --- In , April London wrote: > > > Hi, my name is April and I just joined this group. My husband and I > > > have been vegan for about a year now and vegetarian for about 14 > > years. > > >  We have two boys, also vegan, and live in St. Augustine, FL. > > > > > > I can't wait to get to know all of you better and am very excited to > > be > > > a part of this group. > > > > > > April > > > > > > > > > > To send an email to - > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2005 Report Share Posted September 13, 2005 Broccoli - it is a superfood as far as I can see. I agree that a lot of symptoms are there because people expect them. Jo , " Lynda " <lurine@s...> wrote: > Oh dear, I'm not vegan. I'm not even vegetarian. I am the token " other " on the list <g> > > I rarely eat meat and actively support the youngest kidlet who is working at becoming vegan. That is why I joined the list, to help her with her journey. > > However, I refused to go through menopause <g> I refused to listen to all the horror stories because I think that is half the problem. I mean, if someone keeps telling you over and over and over again just how miserable you are going to be, then I think it effects you and then you do feel horrible to some degree. > > So, I had a hysterectomy (total) and they told me " it will throw you into menopause, HARD! " And then told me about all the pills I would have to take inorder to remain healthy and " sane. " Sane? I've raised teenage boys, how sane could I be <g> > > I refused the pills and used Estroven for a short time but didn't really see that it was doing all that much. So, I stuck with my usual diet -- lots of beans, rice and veggies with a little pasta and the occasional sweet thrown in cause DH and the kidlet love their desserts. Oh, and salads every single day. We eat all organic and we rarely buy anything packaged and rarely eat out. > > I think the organic, the lack of preservatives and keeping in mind a balanced diet and the right mindset are what works the best. Oh, and exercise. I walk and lift weights. DH lifts weights. The kidlet does yoga, trampolines daily and rides her bicycle daily (about 4 miles). > > However, that said, I have two cousins who are vegetarian and vegan. Both are old as dirt, such as myself, and they also don't do the pills. Their diet is the same as mine, only they don't eat any meat, needless to say. They also have had no problems with menopause. Barb does use the Estroven and Sandi goes to a local herbalist. And they both got an " A " on their bone scans! > > I figure it is the broccoli <g> > > Lynda, who could eat broccoli 3 times a day! > - > lv2breathe@a... > > Cc: Lv2breathe@a... > Monday, September 12, 2005 4:21 PM > Re: Vegan menopause > > > Lynda > > If it isn't too personal...could you share your experience going through menopause while being vegan? I am curious about the whole thing...partly because we are all getting older and I will be there not so shortly. > > I am hoping herbs, a good diet, and yoga can keep a woman feeling and looking good. > > Kristina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2005 Report Share Posted September 13, 2005 Hi Jo > I sometimes wonder if people experience what they expect to. I agre with this! I think the more down you are about anything, the worse it is. When I have a cold or am run down a bit, I go to work anyways. I do daily chores and continue on with my life. If I were to take the day off and do nothing but lie in bed, I would only be thinking of the sickness and allow it to consume me thereby feeling worse. I think the worse you expect it to be, the worse it will always be. Some things you cannot change, but you can strive to improve them. BB Nikki Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2005 Report Share Posted September 13, 2005 Yup, that's what I think. I didn't pay to much attention until I worked at a rehab facility that had an acute psych wing and had to work with the shrink. What an eye opener! The shrinks are rather bent out of shape, at least over here, because every GP and his uncle is now playing shrink and prescribing shrink type drugs. All pharmaceutical company p.r. and the same with menopause. It is a billion dollar a year industry! Lynda - " heartwerk " <heartwork Monday, September 12, 2005 11:30 PM Re: Vegan menopause >I didn't notice any difference. I had a hysterectomy at 45, and, not > being as forceful then, accepted the hrt patches (I did insist on non- > animal which is available fairly easily here) the doctor insisted on > for five years. She wanted me to go on with it at least another five > years, but I just stopped using it and had absolutely no 'symptoms' > at all. I think if you eat a good diet with plenty of vegetables > (magnesium) you won't notice a thing. > > I sometimes wonder if people experience what they expect to. > > Jo > > > > , lv2breathe@a... wrote: >> >> Lynda >> >> If it isn't too personal...could you share your experience going > through >> menopause while being vegan? I am curious about the whole > thing...partly >> because we are all getting older and I will be there not so shortly. >> >> I am hoping herbs, a good diet, and yoga can keep a woman feeling > and >> looking good. >> >> Kristina >> >> In a message dated 9/12/05 4:10:09 PM Pacific Daylight Time, >> writes: >> >> Message: 14 >> Mon, 12 Sep 2005 10:03:15 -0700 >> " Lynda " <lurine@s...> >> Re: Re: Hi! New here. . . >> >> Why would you start dairy at age one? Just curious because it is > all pr >> about them needing dairy. Cow " dairy " is hard on your digestive > system and >> particularly on the very young and the very old. >> >> I mean, it isn't that I am totally anti-dairy but rather that I am > ant >> i-misinformation which is the dairy industry's stock in trade. >> >> And, please, don't buy into the whole calcium thing. I never > drank milk, >> period. I hated it from day one and my parents gave up on it. At > well past 50 >> and post menopause and post hysterectomy, the docs insisted that I > have a >> complete bone scan for two reasons, one the dairy and two I > refused tortured >> horse hormones. My bone scan was better than that of a 35 year > old! >> >> Lynda >> - >> sandi gordon >> >> Tuesday, September 06, 2005 1:04 PM >> Re: Re: Hi! New here. . . >> >> >> My oldest will be 2 next month and he has maybe 5bites of > chicken,but >> otherwise he doesn't eat meat,he does love dairy though,he was a > veg. up until age >> one,we will start dairy on our babe at age one too,I will not > force them to >> go my way or daddys way they can decide when they are older,sure I > would love >> for them to veg's,but only time will tell >> >> April London <april@f...> wrote: >> My sons are 3 and 6 (almost 7) and yes they are both vegan as > well. >> Nathan, my youngest, has been since birth and Jacob has been > vegetarian >> since he was about 1.5 and then vegan for the past year like us. > LOL >> >> I really haven't had that hard of a time getting them to eat > veggies. >> More my 3 year old than the other but they're both pretty good > about >> it. I basically just tell them that this is what I've made for > dinner >> either eat it or starve. LOL But in all honesty there isn't > anything >> they really won't eat. >> >> April >> >> >> On Sep 6, 2005, at 9:58 AM, earthstrm wrote: >> >> > Hi April and WELCOME! >> > >> > If you don't mind my asking, how old are your boys and have they > also >> > been Vegan/Veggie? I only ask because my son is about to turn 7 > and I >> > have the most difficult time getting him to eat veggies. >> > >> > Nikki >> > >> > >> > --- In , April London wrote: >> > > Hi, my name is April and I just joined this group. My > husband and I >> > > have been vegan for about a year now and vegetarian for about > 14 >> > years. >> > >  We have two boys, also vegan, and live in St. Augustine, > FL. >> > > >> > > I can't wait to get to know all of you better and am very > excited to >> > be >> > > a part of this group. >> > > >> > > April >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > To send an email to - > >> > >> > >> > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2005 Report Share Posted September 13, 2005 Hi Nikki That's very true. Obviously sometimes you cannot continue for a short while, but if you can you feel better for it. BB Jo > Hi Jo > > > > I sometimes wonder if people experience what they expect to. > > I agre with this! I think the more down you are about anything, the > worse it is. > > When I have a cold or am run down a bit, I go to work anyways. I do > daily chores and continue on with my life. If I were to take the day > off and do nothing but lie in bed, I would only be thinking of the > sickness and allow it to consume me thereby feeling worse. > > I think the worse you expect it to be, the worse it will always be. > > Some things you cannot change, but you can strive to improve them. > > BB > Nikki > > > > > > To send an email to - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2005 Report Share Posted September 13, 2005 Hi Lynda There's far too many prescriptions written, for everything. Jo > Yup, that's what I think. I didn't pay to much attention until I worked at > a rehab facility that had an acute psych wing and had to work with the > shrink. What an eye opener! > > The shrinks are rather bent out of shape, at least over here, because every > GP and his uncle is now playing shrink and prescribing shrink type drugs. > All pharmaceutical company p.r. and the same with menopause. It is a > billion dollar a year industry! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2005 Report Share Posted September 14, 2005 I think I'm the opposite. I think the worst and am usually very surprised! The doc told me a while back that I was in early pre-menopause. Turns out that I can't handle chemicals at all. I stopped using chlorine bleach in the laundry, stopped using cleaning agents, etc and everything straightened out. Interesting that it would affect ones hormones so badly.heartwerk <heartwork wrote: I didn't notice any difference. I had a hysterectomy at 45, and, not being as forceful then, accepted the hrt patches (I did insist on non-animal which is available fairly easily here) the doctor insisted on for five years. She wanted me to go on with it at least another five years, but I just stopped using it and had absolutely no 'symptoms' at all. I think if you eat a good diet with plenty of vegetables (magnesium) you won't notice a thing.I sometimes wonder if people experience what they expect to.Jo , lv2breathe@a... wrote:> > Lynda> > If it isn't too personal...could you share your experience going through > menopause while being vegan? I am curious about the whole thing...partly > because we are all getting older and I will be there not so shortly.> > I am hoping herbs, a good diet, and yoga can keep a woman feeling and > looking good.> > Kristina> > In a message dated 9/12/05 4:10:09 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > writes:> > Message: 14 > Mon, 12 Sep 2005 10:03:15 -0700> "Lynda" <lurine@s...>> Re: Re: Hi! New here. . .> > Why would you start dairy at age one? Just curious because it is all pr > about them needing dairy. Cow "dairy" is hard on your digestive system and > particularly on the very young and the very old.> > I mean, it isn't that I am totally anti-dairy but rather that I am ant> i-misinformation which is the dairy industry's stock in trade.> > And, please, don't buy into the whole calcium thing. I never drank milk, > period. I hated it from day one and my parents gave up on it. At well past 50 > and post menopause and post hysterectomy, the docs insisted that I have a > complete bone scan for two reasons, one the dairy and two I refused tortured > horse hormones. My bone scan was better than that of a 35 year old!> > Lynda> - > sandi gordon > > Tuesday, September 06, 2005 1:04 PM> Re: Re: Hi! New here. . .> > > My oldest will be 2 next month and he has maybe 5bites of chicken,but > otherwise he doesn't eat meat,he does love dairy though,he was a veg. up until age > one,we will start dairy on our babe at age one too,I will not force them to > go my way or daddys way they can decide when they are older,sure I would love > for them to veg's,but only time will tell> > April London <april@f...> wrote: > My sons are 3 and 6 (almost 7) and yes they are both vegan as well. > Nathan, my youngest, has been since birth and Jacob has been vegetarian > since he was about 1.5 and then vegan for the past year like us. LOL> > I really haven't had that hard of a time getting them to eat veggies. > More my 3 year old than the other but they're both pretty good about > it. I basically just tell them that this is what I've made for dinner > either eat it or starve. LOL But in all honesty there isn't anything > they really won't eat.> > April> > > On Sep 6, 2005, at 9:58 AM, earthstrm wrote:> > > Hi April and WELCOME!> >> > If you don't mind my asking, how old are your boys and have they also> > been Vegan/Veggie? I only ask because my son is about to turn 7 and I> > have the most difficult time getting him to eat veggies.> >> > Nikki > >> >> > --- In , April London wrote:> > > Hi, my name is April and I just joined this group. My husband and I> > > have been vegan for about a year now and vegetarian for about 14> > years.> > >  We have two boys, also vegan, and live in St. Augustine, FL.> > >> > > I can't wait to get to know all of you better and am very excited to> > be> > > a part of this group.> > >> > > April> >> >> >> >> > To send an email to - > >> >> >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2005 Report Share Posted September 14, 2005 I think it is best to avoid all chemicals etc. both for cleaning and personal use. It is not good for the environment. Jo - Jonnie Hellens Wednesday, September 14, 2005 6:36 PM Re: Re: Vegan menopause I think I'm the opposite. I think the worst and am usually very surprised! The doc told me a while back that I was in early pre-menopause. Turns out that I can't handle chemicals at all. I stopped using chlorine bleach in the laundry, stopped using cleaning agents, etc and everything straightened out. Interesting that it would affect ones hormones so badly.heartwerk <heartwork wrote: I didn't notice any difference. I had a hysterectomy at 45, and, not being as forceful then, accepted the hrt patches (I did insist on non-animal which is available fairly easily here) the doctor insisted on for five years. She wanted me to go on with it at least another five years, but I just stopped using it and had absolutely no 'symptoms' at all. I think if you eat a good diet with plenty of vegetables (magnesium) you won't notice a thing.I sometimes wonder if people experience what they expect to.Jo , lv2breathe@a... wrote:> > Lynda> > If it isn't too personal...could you share your experience going through > menopause while being vegan? I am curious about the whole thing...partly > because we are all getting older and I will be there not so shortly.> > I am hoping herbs, a good diet, and yoga can keep a woman feeling and > looking good.> > Kristina> > In a message dated 9/12/05 4:10:09 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > writes:> > Message: 14 > Mon, 12 Sep 2005 10:03:15 -0700> "Lynda" <lurine@s...>> Re: Re: Hi! New here. . .> > Why would you start dairy at age one? Just curious because it is all pr > about them needing dairy. Cow "dairy" is hard on your digestive system and > particularly on the very young and the very old.> > I mean, it isn't that I am totally anti-dairy but rather that I am ant> i-misinformation which is the dairy industry's stock in trade.> > And, please, don't buy into the whole calcium thing. I never drank milk, > period. I hated it from day one and my parents gave up on it. At well past 50 > and post menopause and post hysterectomy, the docs insisted that I have a > complete bone scan for two reasons, one the dairy and two I refused tortured > horse hormones. My bone scan was better than that of a 35 year old!> > Lynda> - > sandi gordon > > Tuesday, September 06, 2005 1:04 PM> Re: Re: Hi! New here. . .> > > My oldest will be 2 next month and he has maybe 5bites of chicken,but > otherwise he doesn't eat meat,he does love dairy though,he was a veg. up until age > one,we will start dairy on our babe at age one too,I will not force them to > go my way or daddys way they can decide when they are older,sure I would love > for them to veg's,but only time will tell> > April London <april@f...> wrote: > My sons are 3 and 6 (almost 7) and yes they are both vegan as well. > Nathan, my youngest, has been since birth and Jacob has been vegetarian > since he was about 1.5 and then vegan for the past year like us. LOL> > I really haven't had that hard of a time getting them to eat veggies. > More my 3 year old than the other but they're both pretty good about > it. I basically just tell them that this is what I've made for dinner > either eat it or starve. LOL But in all honesty there isn't anything > they really won't eat.> > April> > > On Sep 6, 2005, at 9:58 AM, earthstrm wrote:> > > Hi April and WELCOME!> >> > If you don't mind my asking, how old are your boys and have they also> > been Vegan/Veggie? I only ask because my son is about to turn 7 and I> > have the most difficult time getting him to eat veggies.> >> > Nikki > >> >> > --- In , April London wrote:> > > Hi, my name is April and I just joined this group. My husband and I> > > have been vegan for about a year now and vegetarian for about 14> > years.> > >  We have two boys, also vegan, and live in St. Augustine, FL.> > >> > > I can't wait to get to know all of you better and am very excited to> > be> > > a part of this group.> > >> > > April> >> >> >> >> > To send an email to - > >> >> >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2005 Report Share Posted September 14, 2005 On Wed, September 14, 2005 11:54 am, Jo Cwazy said: > I think it is best to avoid all chemicals etc. both for cleaning and > personal use. It is not good for the environment. Nonsense. Water is a chemical. Baking soda is a chemical. Vinegar is a chemical. serene Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2005 Report Share Posted September 14, 2005 YOu know what I mean. Are you in favour of using harmful ingredients? Jo > > On Wed, September 14, 2005 11:54 am, Jo Cwazy said: > > I think it is best to avoid all chemicals etc. both for cleaning and > > personal use. It is not good for the environment. > > Nonsense. Water is a chemical. Baking soda is a chemical. Vinegar is a > chemical. > > serene Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2005 Report Share Posted September 14, 2005 On Wed, September 14, 2005 12:11 pm, Jo Cwazy said: > YOu know what I mean. Are you in favour of using harmful ingredients? And have I stopped beating my wife yet? I'm in favor of using the least harmful ingredients possible. I'm also in favor of using clear language. serene Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2005 Report Share Posted September 14, 2005 It seemed clear to me - and if you like clear language - I think you are being a ill-mannered. Jo - " serene (Sandra Vannoy) " <serene Wednesday, September 14, 2005 8:22 PM Re: Re: Vegan menopause > > On Wed, September 14, 2005 12:11 pm, Jo Cwazy said: > > YOu know what I mean. Are you in favour of using harmful ingredients? > > And have I stopped beating my wife yet? > > I'm in favor of using the least harmful ingredients possible. I'm also in > favor of using clear language. > > serene Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2005 Report Share Posted September 14, 2005 On Wed, September 14, 2005 12:27 pm, Jo Cwazy said: > It seemed clear to me - and if you like clear language - I think you are > being a ill-mannered. Fair enough. Serene Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2005 Report Share Posted September 14, 2005 Hi Serene > Nonsense. Water is a chemical. Baking soda is a chemical. Vinegar is a > chemical. According to my dictionary, a chemical is " a substance obtained by chemical process, prepared for use in chemical manufacture, or used for producing a chemical effect " . Water and vinegar definitely do *not* fit that definition! BB Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2005 Report Share Posted September 14, 2005 Hi Serene > I'm in favor of using the least harmful ingredients possible. I'm also in > favor of using clear language. Well, if you are so insistent on clear language, then you should start with forgoing the use of contractions. You should also spell words like favour correctly. We can all be pedantic about each others' use of language. Alternatively, we could just try to get along, and not try to put each others' backs up. BB Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2005 Report Share Posted September 14, 2005 Man made chemicals and man polluted natural chemicals. Lynda - " serene (Sandra Vannoy) " <serene Wednesday, September 14, 2005 12:06 PM Re: Re: Vegan menopause > > On Wed, September 14, 2005 11:54 am, Jo Cwazy said: >> I think it is best to avoid all chemicals etc. both for cleaning and >> personal use. It is not good for the environment. > > Nonsense. Water is a chemical. Baking soda is a chemical. Vinegar is a > chemical. > > serene > > > > To send an email to - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2005 Report Share Posted September 14, 2005 Clear language? do I need some sort of translucent font for that? P.S. If my physiotherapist couldnt get my back up, you lot stand no chance. Rambling again, must be near bed time, old age. I can remember when this web was all fields. The Valley Vegan...........Peter <metalscarab wrote: Hi Serene> I'm in favor of using the least harmful ingredients possible. I'm also in> favor of using clear language.Well, if you are so insistent on clear language, then you should start withforgoing the use of contractions. You should also spell words like favourcorrectly.We can all be pedantic about each others' use of language. Alternatively, wecould just try to get along, and not try to put each others' backs up.BBPeter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2005 Report Share Posted September 14, 2005 LOL! Peter (VV) I must remember that one for future use. Jo P.S. If my physiotherapist couldnt get my back up, you lot stand no chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2005 Report Share Posted September 15, 2005 , " Peter " <metalscarab@c...> wrote: > Hi Serene > > > Nonsense. Water is a chemical. Baking soda is a chemical. Vinegar is a > > chemical. > > According to my dictionary, a chemical is " a substance obtained by chemical > process, prepared for use in chemical manufacture, or used for producing a > chemical effect " . Water and vinegar definitely do *not* fit that definition! Water and vinegar are definitely used for producing chemical effects. Bored with this topic now. I'm done. serene Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2005 Report Share Posted September 15, 2005 They do not harm the environment though - and that is where we started. Jo > , " Peter " <metalscarab@c...> wrote: > > Hi Serene > > > > > Nonsense. Water is a chemical. Baking soda is a chemical. Vinegar is a > > > chemical. > > > > According to my dictionary, a chemical is " a substance obtained by chemical > > process, prepared for use in chemical manufacture, or used for producing a > > chemical effect " . Water and vinegar definitely do *not* fit that definition! > > Water and vinegar are definitely used for producing chemical effects. > > Bored with this topic now. I'm done. > > serene > > > > > > To send an email to - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2005 Report Share Posted September 15, 2005 Hi Serene > > According to my dictionary, a chemical is " a substance obtained by chemical > > process, prepared for use in chemical manufacture, or used for producing a > > chemical effect " . Water and vinegar definitely do *not* fit that definition! > Water and vinegar are definitely used for producing chemical effects. So is electricity, so is that a chemical? BB Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2005 Report Share Posted September 15, 2005 hmmm..actually..at one point they tried to stick electricity under the chemical aegis.... those kooky victorians Peter <metalscarab Sep 15, 2005 10:19 AM Re: Re: Vegan menopause Hi Serene > > According to my dictionary, a chemical is " a substance obtained by chemical > > process, prepared for use in chemical manufacture, or used for producing a > > chemical effect " . Water and vinegar definitely do *not* fit that definition! > Water and vinegar are definitely used for producing chemical effects. So is electricity, so is that a chemical? BB Peter To send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2005 Report Share Posted September 16, 2005 You scared me Peter. I thought maybe I was spelling favor wrong all these years, but nope here in America we spell it without the 'u'. I don't know about you, but sometimes I need a good stiff back, helps me to stand up sometimes when I need to (Ducking...)Peter <metalscarab wrote: Hi Serene> I'm in favor of using the least harmful ingredients possible. I'm also in> favor of using clear language.Well, if you are so insistent on clear language, then you should start withforgoing the use of contractions. You should also spell words like favourcorrectly.We can all be pedantic about each others' use of language. Alternatively, wecould just try to get along, and not try to put each others' backs up.BBPeterJonnie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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