Guest guest Posted September 23, 2005 Report Share Posted September 23, 2005 US army plans to bulk-buy anthrax 24 September 2005 David Hambling Magazine issue 2518 The controversial move is likely to raise questions over US commitment to treaties designed to limit the spread of biological weapons THE US military wants to buy large quantities of anthrax, in a controversial move that is likely to raise questions over its commitment to treaties designed to limit the spread of biological weapons. A series of contracts have been uncovered that relate to the US army's Dugway Proving Ground in Utah. They ask companies to tender for the production of bulk quantities of a non-virulent strain of anthrax, and for equipment to produce significant volumes of other biological agents. Issued earlier this year, the contracts were discovered by Edward Hammond, director of the Sunshine Project, a US- German organisation that campaigns against the use of biological and chemical weapons. One " biological services " contract specifies: " The company must have the ability and be willing to grow Bacillus anthracis Sterne strain at 1500-litre quantities. " Other contracts are for fermentation equipment for producing 3000-litre batches of an unspecified biological agent, and sheep carcasses to ... http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=mg18725184.800 I am only one, but still I am one. I cannot do everything, but I can still do something; and because I cannot do everything, I will not refuse to do the something that I can do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2005 Report Share Posted September 23, 2005 Nice to see your tax dollars not going to waste. Fancy a trip t Guinard Island? This link will cheer you up................not http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/1457035.stm The Valley Vegan.............. Bach pob dyn a dybio ei hun yn fawr Small is every man who considers himself great fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote: US army plans to bulk-buy anthrax24 September 2005 David Hambling Magazine issue 2518 The controversial move is likely to raise questions over US commitment to treaties designed to limit the spread of biological weaponsTHE US military wants to buy large quantities of anthrax, in a controversial move that is likely to raise questions over its commitment to treaties designed to limit the spread of biological weapons. Peter H Messenger NEW - crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2005 Report Share Posted September 23, 2005 hmmm... wonder what they could possibly use that for?fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote: US army plans to bulk-buy anthrax24 September 2005 David Hambling Magazine issue 2518 The controversial move is likely to raise questions over US commitment to treaties designed to limit the spread of biological weaponsTHE US military wants to buy large quantities of anthrax, in a controversial move that is likely to raise questions over its commitment to treaties designed to limit the spread of biological weapons. A series of contracts have been uncovered that relate to the US army's Dugway Proving Ground in Utah. They ask companies to tender for the production of bulk quantities of a non-virulent strain of anthrax, and for equipment to produce significant volumes of other biological agents. Issued earlier this year, the contracts were discovered by Edward Hammond, director of the Sunshine Project, a US-German organisation that campaigns against the use of biological and chemical weapons. One "biological services" contract specifies: "The company must havethe ability and be willing to grow Bacillus anthracis Sterne strain at 1500-litre quantities." Other contracts are for fermentation equipment for producing 3000-litre batches of an unspecified biological agent, and sheep carcasses to ...http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=mg18725184.800I am only one, but still I am one. I cannot do everything, but I can still do something; and because I cannot do everything, I will not refuse to do the something that I can do.Jonnie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2005 Report Share Posted September 24, 2005 besides sending tainted letters to democrats and biological warfare? mayhaps there's a hidden market for anthrax ripple cream chocolates we didn't know about Jonnie Hellens Sep 23, 2005 3:51 PM Re: do as we say not as we do..anthrax hmmm... wonder what they could possibly use that for?fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote: US army plans to bulk-buy anthrax24 September 2005 David Hambling Magazine issue 2518 The controversial move is likely to raise questions over US commitment to treaties designed to limit the spread of biological weaponsTHE US military wants to buy large quantities of anthrax, in a controversial move that is likely to raise questions over its commitment to treaties designed to limit the spread of biological weapons. A series of contracts have been uncovered that relate to the US army's Dugway Proving Ground in Utah. They ask companies to tender for the production of bulk quantities of a non-virulent strain of anthrax, and for equipment to produce significant volumes of other biological agents. Issued earlier this year, the contracts were discovered by Edward Hammond, director of the Sunshine Project, a US-German organisation that campaigns against the use of biological and chemical weapons. One "biological services" contract specifies: "The company must havethe ability and be willing to grow Bacillus anthracis Sterne strain at 1500-litre quantities." Other contracts are for fermentation equipment for producing 3000-litre batches of an unspecified biological agent, and sheep carcasses to ...http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=mg18725184.800I am only one, but still I am one. I cannot do everything, but I can still do something; and because I cannot do everything, I will not refuse to do the something that I can do. Jonnie To send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2005 Report Share Posted September 24, 2005 Yeah, and when biological warfare is used, you can control exactly who receives it, civilians will not be harmed in any way, right?fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote: besides sending tainted letters to democrats and biological warfare? mayhaps there's a hidden market for anthrax ripple cream chocolates we didn't know about Jonnie Hellens Sep 23, 2005 3:51 PM Re: do as we say not as we do..anthrax hmmm... wonder what they could possibly use that for?fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote: US army plans to bulk-buy anthrax24 September 2005 David Hambling Magazine issue 2518 The controversial move is likely to raise questions over US commitment to treaties designed to limit the spread of biological weaponsTHE US military wants to buy large quantities of anthrax, in a controversial move that is likely to raise questions over its commitment to treaties designed to limit the spread of biological weapons. A series of contracts have been uncovered that relate to the US army's Dugway Proving Ground in Utah. They ask companies to tender for the production of bulk quantities of a non-virulent strain of anthrax, and for equipment to produce significant volumes of other biological agents. Issued earlier this year, the contracts were discovered by Edward Hammond, director of the Sunshine Project, a US-German organisation that campaigns against the use of biological and chemical weapons. One "biological services" contract specifies: "The company must havethe ability and be willing to grow Bacillus anthracis Sterne strain at 1500-litre quantities." Other contracts are for fermentation equipment for producing 3000-litre batches of an unspecified biological agent, and sheep carcasses to ...http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=mg18725184.800I am only one, but still I am one. I cannot do everything, but I can still do something; and because I cannot do everything, I will not refuse to do the something that I can do. Jonnie To send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2005 Report Share Posted September 24, 2005 hey, wots a little collateral damage? besides all the important people like cheney and ken lay will all already have their vaccinations, so no worries Jonnie Hellens Sep 23, 2005 5:02 PM Re: do as we say not as we do..anthrax Yeah, and when biological warfare is used, you can control exactly who receives it, civilians will not be harmed in any way, right?fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote: besides sending tainted letters to democrats and biological warfare? mayhaps there's a hidden market for anthrax ripple cream chocolates we didn't know about Jonnie Hellens Sep 23, 2005 3:51 PM Re: do as we say not as we do..anthrax hmmm... wonder what they could possibly use that for?fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote: US army plans to bulk-buy anthrax24 September 2005 David Hambling Magazine issue 2518 The controversial move is likely to raise questions over US commitment to treaties designed to limit the spread of biological weaponsTHE US military wants to buy large quantities of anthrax, in a controversial move that is likely to raise questions over its commitment to treaties designed to limit the spread of biological weapons. A series of contracts have been uncovered that relate to the US army's Dugway Proving Ground in Utah. They ask companies to tender for the production of bulk quantities of a non-virulent strain of anthrax, and for equipment to produce significant volumes of other biological agents. Issued earlier this year, the contracts were discovered by Edward Hammond, director of the Sunshine Project, a US-German organisation that campaigns against the use of biological and chemical weapons. One "biological services" contract specifies: "The company must havethe ability and be willing to grow Bacillus anthracis Sterne strain at 1500-litre quantities." Other contracts are for fermentation equipment for producing 3000-litre batches of an unspecified biological agent, and sheep carcasses to ...http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=mg18725184.800I am only one, but still I am one. I cannot do everything, but I can still do something; and because I cannot do everything, I will not refuse to do the something that I can do. Jonnie To send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2005 Report Share Posted September 24, 2005 marie antoinette was one of the first ones to try out the smallpox vaccine, experimental back then. while her father inlawr Louis was dying, she fine and never got it. , peter hurd <swpgh01@t...> wrote: > On the subject of epidemics............. > > Mid 1300s > > Mongol tartars, sieging the port city of Feodosia (then Kaffa) on the Black Sea, finally broke the three-year siege by catapulting plague-infested cadavers over the walls of the city. > > The city fell from plague in 1346 and it was suspected that escaping residents of the city introduces plague into Italy, initiating the pandemic (the Black Death) that decimated the European populace between 1348 and 1350. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2005 Report Share Posted September 24, 2005 I never knew that. Jo - " Anouk Sickler " <zurumato Saturday, September 24, 2005 8:05 AM Re: do as we say not as we do..anthrax > marie antoinette was one of the first > ones to try out the smallpox vaccine, > experimental back then. while her father inlawr > Louis was dying, she fine and never got it. > > > , peter hurd <swpgh01@t...> wrote: > > On the subject of epidemics............. > > > > Mid 1300s > > > > Mongol tartars, sieging the port city of Feodosia (then Kaffa) on > the Black Sea, finally broke the three-year siege by catapulting > plague-infested cadavers over the walls of the city. > > > > The city fell from plague in 1346 and it was suspected that escaping > residents of the city introduces plague into Italy, initiating the > pandemic (the Black Death) that decimated the European populace > between 1348 and 1350. > > To send an email to - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2005 Report Share Posted September 24, 2005 grandfather in law actually... louis the xv father had died before marie came on the scene tho..didn't know about her being vaccinated edward jenner is usually accredited with being the inventor of the smallpox vaccine around 1800 but a mathematician/geographer named La Condamine pushed it a few years earlier..ok..more like 30 years earlier....i don't think he actually figured out how to innoculate anyone tho marie couldn't have been vaccinated by edward jenner, as she was already dead hmmmm Anouk Sickler <zurumato Sep 24, 2005 12:05 AM Re: do as we say not as we do..anthrax marie antoinette was one of the first ones to try out the smallpox vaccine, experimental back then. while her father inlawr Louis was dying, she fine and never got it. , peter hurd <swpgh01@t...> wrote: > On the subject of epidemics............. > > Mid 1300s > > Mongol tartars, sieging the port city of Feodosia (then Kaffa) on the Black Sea, finally broke the three-year siege by catapulting plague-infested cadavers over the walls of the city. > > The city fell from plague in 1346 and it was suspected that escaping residents of the city introduces plague into Italy, initiating the pandemic (the Black Death) that decimated the European populace between 1348 and 1350. > To send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2005 Report Share Posted September 24, 2005 of course fine is a relative term surviving smallpox just to have yer head lopped off..hmmm..how great of a trade is that? Jo Cwazy <heartwork Sep 24, 2005 11:39 AM Re: Re: do as we say not as we do..anthrax I never knew that. Jo - " Anouk Sickler " <zurumato Saturday, September 24, 2005 8:05 AM Re: do as we say not as we do..anthrax > marie antoinette was one of the first > ones to try out the smallpox vaccine, > experimental back then. while her father inlawr > Louis was dying, she fine and never got it. > > > , peter hurd <swpgh01@t...> wrote: > > On the subject of epidemics............. > > > > Mid 1300s > > > > Mongol tartars, sieging the port city of Feodosia (then Kaffa) on > the Black Sea, finally broke the three-year siege by catapulting > plague-infested cadavers over the walls of the city. > > > > The city fell from plague in 1346 and it was suspected that escaping > residents of the city introduces plague into Italy, initiating the > pandemic (the Black Death) that decimated the European populace > between 1348 and 1350. > > To send an email to - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2005 Report Share Posted September 25, 2005 does nothing escape you? your right. It was her father in law Louis XV, died in may 10 1774. I have read two, marie antoinete biographis on my bookshelf and got my info mixed up. The one by antonia fraser is the better one. It was her Husband king louis XVI, who decided to get inoculated against smallpox. I am looking at page 63, the book marie antoinette by evelyne lever,says that this procedure was experimentall, not always succesful and sometimes ended in tragic consequences, considered extremely dangerous. the public thought he was mad for doing this. decided to do it seeing the success of the Boston army being inoculated using the cowpox method in 1720. mary antoinette had actually had smallpox when she was two, and recovered so was naturally immuned by it. The french were way ahead of their time in this aspect. perhaps a little too fond of the guillotine. Edward Jenner, observing the success of milkmaids, naturally immuned by cowpox. develope the vaccine, I believe 1796/7 ? but the idea was already known/accepted in france earlier. , fraggle <EBbrewpunx@e...> wrote: > grandfather in law actually... > louis the xv father had died before marie came on the scene > > tho..didn't know about her being vaccinated > edward jenner is usually accredited with being the inventor of the smallpox vaccine around 1800 > but a mathematician/geographer named La Condamine pushed it a few years earlier..ok..more like 30 years earlier....i don't think he actually figured out how to innoculate anyone tho > > marie couldn't have been vaccinated by edward jenner, as she was already dead > hmmmm > > > Anouk Sickler <zurumato@e...> > Sep 24, 2005 12:05 AM > > Re: do as we say not as we do..anthrax > > marie antoinette was one of the first > ones to try out the smallpox vaccine, > experimental back then. while her father inlawr > Louis was dying, she fine and never got it. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2005 Report Share Posted September 25, 2005 hi fraggle, don't think I'm weird, but I once researched what it would be like to be guillotined and the history of it, the last one being done in the 30's in france. I once read that a persons brain is alive for exactly one to three minutes after being chopped off. In essence meaning, that those that had thier head paraded in front of the crowd, got to see people cheer about their own head being cut off. a scientist once, guillotined a criminal, stared at the head and the head blinked back at him and attempted to speak. , fraggle <EBbrewpunx@e...> wrote: > of course fine is a relative term > surviving smallpox just to have yer head lopped off..hmmm..how great of a trade is that? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2005 Report Share Posted September 25, 2005 Whew, that would be a long min or few!Anouk Sickler <zurumato wrote: hi fraggle,don't think I'm weird, but I once researched what it would be like to be guillotinedand the history of it, the last one being done in the 30's in france. I once read that a persons brain is alive for exactlyone to three minutes after being chopped off. In essencemeaning, that those that had thier head paraded in frontof the crowd, got to see people cheer about their own head being cut off.a scientist once, guillotined a criminal, stared at the head and thehead blinked back at him and attempted to speak. , fraggle <EBbrewpunx@e...> wrote:> of course fine is a relative term> surviving smallpox just to have yer head lopped off..hmmm..how greatof a trade is that?> To send an email to - Jonnie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2005 Report Share Posted September 25, 2005 i'm sure lotsa things escape me i'll be honest..i read about La Condamine and vaccinations literally about a month ago, so it was pretty fresh in my noggin as for marie and louis...wot can i say...history buff..... Anouk Sickler <zurumato Sep 24, 2005 9:49 PM Re: do as we say not as we do..anthrax does nothing escape you? your right. It was her father in law Louis XV, died in may 10 1774. I have read two, marie antoinete biographis on my bookshelf and got my info mixed up. The one by antonia fraser is the better one. It was her Husband king louis XVI, who decided to get inoculated against smallpox. I am looking at page 63, the book marie antoinette by evelyne lever,says that this procedure was experimentall, not always succesful and sometimes ended in tragic consequences, considered extremely dangerous. the public thought he was mad for doing this. decided to do it seeing the success of the Boston army being inoculated using the cowpox method in 1720. mary antoinette had actually had smallpox when she was two, and recovered so was naturally immuned by it. The french were way ahead of their time in this aspect. perhaps a little too fond of the guillotine. Edward Jenner, observing the success of milkmaids, naturally immuned by cowpox. develope the vaccine, I believe 1796/7 ? but the idea was already known/accepted in france earlier. , fraggle <EBbrewpunx@e...> wrote: > grandfather in law actually... > louis the xv father had died before marie came on the scene > > tho..didn't know about her being vaccinated > edward jenner is usually accredited with being the inventor of the smallpox vaccine around 1800 > but a mathematician/geographer named La Condamine pushed it a few years earlier..ok..more like 30 years earlier....i don't think he actually figured out how to innoculate anyone tho > > marie couldn't have been vaccinated by edward jenner, as she was already dead > hmmmm > > > Anouk Sickler <zurumato@e...> > Sep 24, 2005 12:05 AM > > Re: do as we say not as we do..anthrax > > marie antoinette was one of the first > ones to try out the smallpox vaccine, > experimental back then. while her father inlawr > Louis was dying, she fine and never got it. > > > To send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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