First Gigs...

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Sorry Jo , but after they kicked out Ozzy, brought in dwarfs etc to replace him, they just didnt do it for me, mind you as I said previously my musical tastes changed a lot around that time anyhoo.

 

The Valley Vegan............jo <jo.heartwork wrote:

 

What happened to Sabbath?

 

Jo

 

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peter hurd

Tuesday, October 18, 2005 8:10 PM

Re: Re: First Gigs...

 

Hi Jo,

Most bands split at some time no matter what music they play, I guess some just know when to call it a day, and others just try and live on past glories and cash in on the name even when the more talented and original members have left. It gets sad to see bands like that, look what happened to Purple / Sabbath etc....

 

The Valley Vegan.............heartwerk <jo.heartwork wrote:

Hi Peter / Peter (VV)I was wondering why Peter (VV) is surprised that old rock/metal bands are still going. Do punk bands give up after a few years?Jo , "Peter" wrote:>> Hi Peter> > > Why would they still be going? you`ll be telling me next that Saxon are still going! ha ha> > Strangely enough... they are... both of them... yep - about 10 years ago they split in two, and there are now *two* groups going around calling themselves Saxon.> > I don't think too many of the old school bands have faded out yet... Maiden and Priest are both still going. I gather that Wishbone Ash is currently doing a tour, Sabbath still get together for the occassional show. I believe Deep Purple are still hanging around as well.> >

BB> Peter>

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but this is where we disagree - you have not said which other bands

you think they were like, because apart from Maiden I can't think of

any other bands that they were like. So Peter name the bands - don't

dodge this one please.

 

Obviously some people thought that prog grew stale (people very often

change their opinion) but this doesn't mean that the whole population

of the world thought so -it was the opinion of some. While those

people went on to form another type of music, or listen to another

type of music, many people still played and listened to prog and it

has progressed and is thriving, even if you are unaware of that fact.

If you like simple music that is fine, but lots of people like more

complicated music. You surely wouldn't say that you don't like Satie

because the pianist is indulgent would you?

 

Jo

 

 

, peter hurd <swpgh01@t...> wrote:

>

> I am so glad that I am provoking such a response!

> I never said they were like Def Leppard, I said that they were not

in the same league and that they were like every other band around at

the time ( I think the NME coined the phrase New Wave Of British Heavy

Metal around then ).

> As for prog rock going stale with self indulgence, well thats

partially what prompted punk in the first place and many other garage

bands going back to basics - three chord, three minute heroes.

> Heritage?

> features belonging to the culture of a particular society, such as

traditions, languages or buildings, which still exist from the past

and which have a historical importance:

> you feel no need for history, well thats up to you. I personally

feel that originators are worth their weight in gold particulary in

the music business, and their place in history cannot be denied.

>

> P.S. I loved Spinal Tap

> The Valley Vegan.............

>

>

> heartwerk <jo.heartwork@g...> wrote:

> Hi Peter

>

> They are nothing like Def Leppard. So other than Iron Maiden, who do

> they remind you of??? Off-hand, I can't think of any other bands.

>

> Maybe some prog went stale, but being prog a lot of it sort of .....

> progressed! I can think of lots of different bands in the prog

> rock/metal field who have different styles to each other. Maybe it

> is just that you are unaware of their existence (my introduction to

> drums was hearing a ten-minute drum solo by Gene Krupa when I was

> very young). As for long guitar and drum solos - some of us enjoy

> them, just as some others may enjoy political lyrics being shouted

> out in an aggressive manner (and some of us may not!). Musical

> masturbation - what point are you trying to make - do you think

> musicians should not enjoy what they are doing?

>

> As for Johnny Cash etc. There will always be some people more famous

> than others but fame has nothing to do with quality, and it is not

> only the most famous bands/people in the world who give pleasure to

> people. Musical heritage - mmmmm! Why does there need to be a

> musical heritage?

>

> Jo

>

>

>

> , peter hurd wrote:

> >

> > My problem with them was they were like every other band around at

> the time, only not in the same league as the likes of Iron Maiden an

> Def Lepard, neither of whom I was partial to. It is probably because

> around that time my music tastes shifted somewhat, and I stopped

> listening to new rock bands and sort of went punk/indie-ish. A lot of

> prog rock just got stale for me around that time too, you know the

> sort of thing, 12 minute guitar solos, oooh a 15 minute drum solo,

> ooh thats original, just seemed to be the equivalent of musical

> masturbation to me . Just my opinion tis all.

> > Oh and by the way, I doubt whether any of the bands of that ilk (

> Saxon/Magnum et all ) will ever be as legendary/infamous as the likes

> of Johnny Cash, whos musical heritage goes back to Sun Records with

> Elvis etc . Not that I like JC much anyhoo.

> >

> > The Valley Vegan............

> >

> > jo wrote:

> > They were good enough to be enjoyable - not as good as some -

> better than others. When I saw them about five years ago they were

> pretty good. Scoff away though - that's how I feel about Johnny Cash

> etc.

> >

> > Jo

> > -

> > peter hurd

> >

> > Monday, October 17, 2005 9:44 PM

> > Re: First Gigs...

> >

> >

> > Oh my, ( I still have a cassete single of 747 strangers in the

> night somewhere, is it worth anything?). Sorry shouldnt scoff, but

> they werent exactly brilliant were they?

> >

> > The Valley Vegan..........

> >

> > jo wrote:

> > Why would they stop?????

> >

> > of course Saxon are still going - they're touring at present.

> >

> > Jo

> > -

> > peter hurd

> >

> > Monday, October 17, 2005 9:28 PM

> > Re: First Gigs...

> >

> >

> > Why would they still be going? you`ll be telling me next that Saxon

> are still going! ha ha

> >

> > The Valley Vegan............

> >

> > jo wrote:

> > They get together every couple of years or so to make an album and

> tour. They are not that old though - not as old as me - so why

> wouldn't they still be going? Bob Catley also does solo stuff which

> is also good.

> >

> > Jo

> > -

> > peter hurd

> >

> > Monday, October 17, 2005 9:15 PM

> > Re: First Gigs...

> >

> >

> > Magnum? ha ha ha ha ha, are they still going?

> >

> > The Valley Vegan.............

> >

> > Peter wrote:

> > > Mine was Def Leppard and I think I was 11 or something. The

> Hysteria

> > > tour. My older cousins took me. Quite uneventful but exciting at

> the

> > > time. Especially when the ladies bathroom had a line so we

> ventured

> > > into the mens. Twas a long ride there and we had to go and the

> men's

> > > room was empty.

> >

> > IIRC my first gig was The Flying Pickets... but that was well over

> 100 gigs

> > ago... last one was last night, Spock's Beard... then 3 next week

> (Dio and 2

> > Dream Theater gigs), two a couple of weeks later (Stratovarius /

> Hammerfall

> > and Royal Hunt), then a couple in December (Magnum and Vaughn)... I

> honestly

> > *don't* spend my entire life going to gigs!!!!

> >

> > BB

> > Peter

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > To send an email to -

>

> >

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Sorry Fraggle - I'm finding this hard to understand (I'm not just

being argumentative). Would yo find it horrifying now (assuming it

was a band you liked)?

 

Jo

 

, fraggle <EBbrewpunx@e...> wrote:

>

> confidence i don't think has much to do with it

> sorry..the thought of me being 16, and going to a show with my

father would have horrified the pants off of me...

>

>

> jo <jo.heartwork@g...>

> Oct 18, 2005 12:16 PM

>

> Re: Re: First Gigs...

>

> Maybe it was a lack of confidence on your part. I never minded

going out

> with my parents, neither did my brother. Peter did loads of other stuff

> with friends, as did we, so why not enjoy concerts together if you

like the

> same things?

>

> Jo

>

>

> When they kick out your front door

> How you gonna come?

> With your hands on your head

> Or on the trigger of your gun

>

> When the law break in

> How you gonna go?

> Shot down on the pavement

> Or waiting on death row

>

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now is different

i couldn't care less one way er the other now..

heh..from my point of view, i find it odd that you don't understand!!!

if anyone had suggested i bring my father to, say CBGB's, er the anthrax, er any

numerous places fer shows, i would have first laughed, and then if they

persisted, thought they were off their rocker

methinks i had a very different family life then a lot of you...

 

 

heartwerk <jo.heartwork

Oct 18, 2005 12:37 PM

 

Re: First Gigs...

 

Sorry Fraggle - I'm finding this hard to understand (I'm not just

being argumentative). Would yo find it horrifying now (assuming it

was a band you liked)?

 

Jo

 

---

 

When they kick out your front door

How you gonna come?

With your hands on your head

Or on the trigger of your gun

 

When the law break in

How you gonna go?

Shot down on the pavement

Or waiting on death row

[Guest guest]

Hi Peter,

Its all down to musical tastes isnt it at the end of the day. I can remember seeing Richie Blackmore playing guitar about 20+ years ago, playing some impressive stuff and not even looking at what he was playing, and me wishing I could some day be that good! Totally blew me away.I still think at his best he could stand up to anyone of his peers ( Malmstien/Van Halen ) .

I used to be a Rush fan up until about 78, still appreciate their first 5 albums, but as I said earlier my musical tastes changed, I started looking at other forms of music other than Heavy Rock. That is why I have never heard of half the bands you and Jo talk about.

Incidentally talking of Queen, what do you think of their new singer? he was a legend when I was growing up, I was brought up on Free, and still think Kossoff was a great guitarist, such a shame.

 

The Valley Vegan.............Peter <metalscarab wrote:

 

Hi Peter

 

> Most bands split at some time no matter what music they play, I guess some just know when to call it a day, and others just

> try and live on past glories and cash in on the name even when the more talented and original members have left. It gets sad

> to see bands like that, look what happened to Purple / Sabbath etc....

 

Having never been a particular fan of Purple, I don't really know a comparison after various people left (altough I could be cheeky and say that they were never the same after Rod Evans departed :-)). I agree with you largely on Sabbath - although I enjoyed all of the albums they did with Dio (IMHO, Dehumanizer is an under-rated classic). Then there's some bands who keep on going, and just keep getting better... Judas Priest being a prime example. Dream Theater have now been going for 20 years, and they keep going from strength to strength, Rush seem to keep getting better after some 3 decades. I don't think Magnum are as good in the song-writing department as they were a few years back, but their live performances are quite a bit better than they were in the late 1990s. And let's not forget Queen, who were going strong for around 20 years, and still getting better with every album. Considering that Brian May and Roger Taylor are still playing and

writing, I suspect that Queen would still be going strong now were it not for Freddie dying. I think it just depends on the band!

 

BB

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Hi Peter

 

Oh yes! I forgot about them - how old are they? ... around your age I

believe, and funnily enough, friends of both you and Colin and I :-)

 

There's a friend of mine at work who likes Country & Western and her

daughter goes to concerts with her and another who likes Blues and her

son and daughter go with them. One of my neighbours goes to concerts

with her daughter. I don't think it is unusual, but then why would it

be - ost metal concerts have people ranging in age from about (10 if

it is an all ages concert) or 18 to about 65. It seems alien to me to

have friends restricted to your own age group.

 

Jo

 

 

 

, " Peter " <metalscarab@g...> wrote:

>

> Hi Jo

>

> And don't forget that some other friends came with us to Threshold &

> Landmarq :-)

>

> BB

> Peter

>

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Without wishing to sound like a broken record, I never was much into Priest and therefore didnt listen to much, but what I did hear didnt do it for me. Sure they are good guitarists, but the point I was trying to make was that they are second generation guitarists who would probably list the likes of Page/ Blackmore as their influences, and to my cloth ears dont have the individual style that their forebearers had.

What ever happend to Richie anyway? anyone know?, and as for Mr Page, the last I saw of him he was a lot fatter, and didnt shine like he used to? Is there an old guitarists home somewhere?

 

The Valle Vegan..........Peter <metalscarab wrote:

 

Hi Peter

 

> Yep I was brought up on those "old school" bands zep/purple etc, never realy got into priest/maiden. Those bands just didnt

> seem to have the vituoso guitarists the likes of Page or Blackmore.

 

How can you possibly say that KK Downing is not a virtuoso guitarist compared to Blackmore or Page? I mean, Blackmore and Page admittedly have good imagination, but they're not the best around by any stretch of the imagination and compare them to the likes of Downing / Dave Murray / Adrian Smith, they're certainly no better.

 

BB

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Hi Peter,

What do you mean rapidly approaching? I thought they were already there?

Every Guitar shops nightmare, someone either picks up an electric and plays smoke on the water, or picks up an acoustic and plays stairway! They must hear them 10 times a day!

 

The Valley Vegan..............Peter <metalscarab wrote:

 

Hi Peter

 

> My problem with them was they were like every other band around at the time, only not in the same league as the likes of

> Iron Maiden an Def Lepard, neither of whom I was partial to.

 

I'm not a huge fan of Saxon, but do appreciate their music when I hear it. The real question is... which one were they like? Iron Maiden or Def Leppard... I mean, the two are wiles apart in terms of style. Maiden are classic NWOBHM, Def Leppard are much more heavy rock.

 

> Oh and by the way, I doubt whether any of the bands of that ilk ( Saxon/Magnum et all ) will ever be as legendary/infamous

> as the likes of Johnny Cash, whos musical heritage goes back to Sun Records with Elvis etc . Not that I like JC much

> anyhoo.

 

Depends entirely on how much publicity they get. I think Black Sabbath, Led Zeppelin and Deep Purple are rapidly approaching that legendary status (is there anyone who hasn't heard of them in the Western world????). Just about everyone knows Stairway to Heaven and Smoke on The Water, even if they don't know who played them.

 

BB

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Is there no end to your rudeness Peter?

 

Dio is tiny - so what? I thought it was the music we were discussing

but obviously not.

 

Jo

 

, peter hurd <swpgh01@t...> wrote:

>

> Sorry Jo , but after they kicked out Ozzy, brought in dwarfs etc to

replace him, they just didnt do it for me, mind you as I said

previously my musical tastes changed a lot around that time anyhoo.

>

> The Valley Vegan............

>

> jo <jo.heartwork@g...> wrote:

> What happened to Sabbath?

>

> Jo

> -

> peter hurd

>

> Tuesday, October 18, 2005 8:10 PM

> Re: Re: First Gigs...

>

>

> Hi Jo,

> Most bands split at some time no matter what music they play, I

guess some just know when to call it a day, and others just try and

live on past glories and cash in on the name even when the more

talented and original members have left. It gets sad to see bands like

that, look what happened to Purple / Sabbath etc....

>

> The Valley Vegan.............

>

> heartwerk <jo.heartwork@g...> wrote:

> Hi Peter / Peter (VV)

>

> I was wondering why Peter (VV) is surprised that old rock/metal bands

> are still going. Do punk bands give up after a few years?

>

> Jo

>

>

> , " Peter " wrote:

> >

> > Hi Peter

> >

> > > Why would they still be going? you`ll be telling me next that

> Saxon are still going! ha ha

> >

> > Strangely enough... they are... both of them... yep - about 10 years

> ago they split in two, and there are now *two* groups going around

> calling themselves Saxon.

> >

> > I don't think too many of the old school bands have faded out yet...

> Maiden and Priest are both still going. I gather that Wishbone Ash is

> currently doing a tour, Sabbath still get together for the occassional

> show. I believe Deep Purple are still hanging around as well.

> >

> > BB

> > Peter

> >

>

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>

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yer totally missing my point...

it was never about someone's age

it was about bringing yer parents to a show....

i couldn't even begin to fathom that...

 

 

heartwerk <jo.heartwork

Oct 18, 2005 12:48 PM

 

Re: First Gigs...

 

Hi Peter

 

Oh yes! I forgot about them - how old are they? ... around your age I

believe, and funnily enough, friends of both you and Colin and I :-)

 

There's a friend of mine at work who likes Country & Western and her

daughter goes to concerts with her and another who likes Blues and her

son and daughter go with them. One of my neighbours goes to concerts

with her daughter. I don't think it is unusual, but then why would it

be - ost metal concerts have people ranging in age from about (10 if

it is an all ages concert) or 18 to about 65. It seems alien to me to

have friends restricted to your own age group.

 

Jo

 

 

 

 

When they kick out your front door

How you gonna come?

With your hands on your head

Or on the trigger of your gun

 

When the law break in

How you gonna go?

Shot down on the pavement

Or waiting on death row

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Why would it be someone else suggesting you bring your father? Why

wouldn't it be you and your parents chatting away saying ' hey,

Stratovarius (or whoever)is playing, shall we go?' There wouldn't

necessarily be anyone else involved. The times we have been with

people outside the family it has usually been them who have asked if

we are going to see a particular band and 'shall we all go together',

so we can't be too embarrassing.

 

Jo

 

, fraggle <EBbrewpunx@e...> wrote:

>

> now is different

> i couldn't care less one way er the other now..

> heh..from my point of view, i find it odd that you don't understand!!!

>

> if anyone had suggested i bring my father to, say CBGB's, er the

anthrax, er any numerous places fer shows, i would have first laughed,

and then if they persisted, thought they were off their rocker

> methinks i had a very different family life then a lot of you...

>

>

> heartwerk <jo.heartwork@g...>

> Oct 18, 2005 12:37 PM

>

> Re: First Gigs...

>

> Sorry Fraggle - I'm finding this hard to understand (I'm not just

> being argumentative). Would yo find it horrifying now (assuming it

> was a band you liked)?

>

> Jo

>

> ---

>

> When they kick out your front door

> How you gonna come?

> With your hands on your head

> Or on the trigger of your gun

>

> When the law break in

> How you gonna go?

> Shot down on the pavement

> Or waiting on death row

>

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No your right I havent, like I said I went off metal way back, but still go back and revisit my old skool record collection. Shows by me only recognising Nuno from the list below ( he always reminded me of Eddie Van Halen - all that two handed hammer on stuff ). Ignorant arent I ?

You and Pete like any hardcore like Agnostic Front, or have you heard Avenged Sevenfold? - they seem to be going a bit prog rockish!

 

The Valley Vegan...........

jo <jo.heartwork wrote:

 

You've not listened to them much then?

 

Have you tried listening to John Petrucci, Nuno Bettencourt, Timo Tolkki, Alex Skolnick etc.

 

Jo

 

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peter hurd

Monday, October 17, 2005 11:13 PM

Re: First Gigs...

 

Yep I was brought up on those "old school" bands zep/purple etc, never realy got into priest/maiden. Those bands just didnt seem to have the vituoso guitarists the likes of Page or Blackmore.

 

The Valley Vegan...............Peter <metalscarab wrote:

 

Hi Peter

 

> Why would they still be going? you`ll be telling me next that Saxon are still going! ha ha

 

Strangely enough... they are... both of them... yep - about 10 years ago they split in two, and there are now *two* groups going around calling themselves Saxon.

 

I don't think too many of the old school bands have faded out yet... Maiden and Priest are both still going. I gather that Wishbone Ash is currently doing a tour, Sabbath still get together for the occassional show. I believe Deep Purple are still hanging around as well.

 

BB

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Hi Peter

 

I forgot - they also came with us to see Iron Maiden at Earls Court,

and Mostly Autumn at Mean Fiddler. Didn't you go to a Yorkshire prog

weekend for Mufit's stag weekend?

 

BB

Jo

 

 

, " heartwerk " <jo.heartwork@g...> wrote:

>

> Hi Peter

>

> Oh yes! I forgot about them - how old are they? ... around your age I

> believe, and funnily enough, friends of both you and Colin and I :-)

>

> There's a friend of mine at work who likes Country & Western and her

> daughter goes to concerts with her and another who likes Blues and her

> son and daughter go with them. One of my neighbours goes to concerts

> with her daughter. I don't think it is unusual, but then why would it

> be - ost metal concerts have people ranging in age from about (10 if

> it is an all ages concert) or 18 to about 65. It seems alien to me to

> have friends restricted to your own age group.

>

> Jo

>

>

>

> , " Peter " <metalscarab@g...> wrote:

> >

> > Hi Jo

> >

> > And don't forget that some other friends came with us to Threshold &

> > Landmarq :-)

> >

> > BB

> > Peter

> >

>

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Well said Jo, age shouldnt be a barrier to anything. Well maybe hairstyles ( blue rinse anyone? or has it fallen out already?), oh and hip hop - not recomended to spin on your head with curviture of the spine, oh and entering best smiles competition - dentures sometimes slip out at the most inconvenient time!

 

Sorry Welsh sense of humour, must be getting near my bed time now, wheres my bed pan and my horlicks?

 

The Valley Vegan............jo <jo.heartwork wrote:

Why would it be weird Fraggle?Nobody ever seems to mind coming out with us. Our daughter has come toconcerts with us, and one of Peter's friends came to a couple of concertswith us, and Peter of course. There's a young chap where I work who came toaconcert with us a couple of weeks ago, had a really good time and is comingto Arch Enemy with us.Youngsters that we don't know at the concerts are very friendly towards usand chat. I have often had people come up to me and say which concertsthey've seen me at and start up a conversation, like at the Bloodstockfestival where we chatted about bands with about a dozen of them. Theconcert before last we were greeted happily by someone who had seen us atanother concert, and even hugged! I don't think Peter has ever feltuncomfortable coming out with us - I'm sure he wouldn't come if he

did.I know you said you didn't want to cause offense, and I'm not overlyoffended, but ... we're normal people - metal fans - and age shouldn'tmatter.JoJo-"fraggle" Tuesday, October 18, 2005 5:24 PMRe: Re: First Gigs...> please don't take any offense to this jo(er peter!)(er anyone else ferthat matter)> but> going to a show with my father as a teen would be just..beyond weird!>> and..as fer today...i moved 3000 miles away from my father back in the mid80's...> he is now about 1000 miles away..but..still...kinda far to commute fer ashow!>> and no, we have not much musical tastes in common....> tho he did like the ramones>> > heartwerk > Sent:

Oct 17, 2005 11:43 PM> > Re: First Gigs...>> Is that cos you don't like the same music as your family or cos you> don't get on with them?>> Jo>> , fraggle wrote:> >> > oh dear> > i went to johnny cash with my step mother and grandmother...but i> was 7> > think thats the only time i went with parental units> >> > no..wait..i saw the righteous brothers some time after like..when i> was like 10.....> >> > but..everything else was *alone*...with friends and such...but....> >> > > > Peter > > Oct 17, 2005 12:45 PM> > > > Re: First Gigs...> >> > Hi

Fraggle> >> > > first one i went to on my own? some metal band in like> 1979..called> > eyes....> >> > Depends what you mean by "on your own"... I've never been to a gig> alone.> > First one without my parents was ever such a long time ago... March> 2005 to> > be precise.... Incubus Succubus. :-)> >> > BB> > Peter> >> >> >> >> > To send an email to -> > >

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Your word 'bringing' is not what happens in my family though. Nobody

'brings' anyone - we all go together - joint decision, no coercing or

pressure - all equal - all enjoying and out for fun. Since my kids

have grown up I would hope to be considered a friend.

 

Did you ever go to the pub for a drink with your father?

 

Jo

 

, fraggle <EBbrewpunx@e...> wrote:

>

> yer totally missing my point...

> it was never about someone's age

> it was about bringing yer parents to a show....

> i couldn't even begin to fathom that...

>

>

> heartwerk <jo.heartwork@g...>

> Oct 18, 2005 12:48 PM

>

> Re: First Gigs...

>

> Hi Peter

>

> Oh yes! I forgot about them - how old are they? ... around your age I

> believe, and funnily enough, friends of both you and Colin and I :-)

>

> There's a friend of mine at work who likes Country & Western and her

> daughter goes to concerts with her and another who likes Blues and her

> son and daughter go with them. One of my neighbours goes to concerts

> with her daughter. I don't think it is unusual, but then why would it

> be - ost metal concerts have people ranging in age from about (10 if

> it is an all ages concert) or 18 to about 65. It seems alien to me to

> have friends restricted to your own age group.

>

> Jo

>

>

>

>

> When they kick out your front door

> How you gonna come?

> With your hands on your head

> Or on the trigger of your gun

>

> When the law break in

> How you gonna go?

> Shot down on the pavement

> Or waiting on death row

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Peter

 

> Its all down to musical tastes isnt it at the end of the day. I can remember seeing Richie Blackmore playing guitar about 20+

> years ago, playing some impressive stuff and not even looking at what he was playing, and me wishing I could some day be

> that good! Totally blew me away.I still think at his best he could stand up to anyone of his peers ( Malmstien/Van Halen ) .

 

I think we'd disagree on Van Halen... he's not a bad guitarist, but most of what he plays just sounds fast because of all the tapping (incidentally, contrary to what he says, he didn't invent it at all - it's an old Flamenco technique). I thought Spanish Fly was quite impressive, but the rest of his stuff was just using the one style he seemed to be able to play well, with little variation or imagination.

 

> Incidentally talking of Queen, what do you think of their new singer? he was a legend when I was growing up, I was brought

> up on Free, and still think Kossoff was a great guitarist, such a shame.

 

I like Paul Rogers as a singer (Bad Company first practiced in the village hall that is in walking distance of where I used to live!), but I'm not sure that his voice is appropriate for Queen music. I've not actually heard any of the material, so could be completely wrong... but if I was going to choose a new singer for Queen, there's about 200 people who I think have more appropriate voices for the style. Paul Rogers is a great singer, just in a very different style. And I do wish that they hadn't called themselves Queen. Queen was always the four members, and the group should have died when Freddie did.

 

BB

Peter

[Guest guest]

> Have you tried listening to John Petrucci, Nuno Bettencourt, Timo Tolkki, Alex Skolnick etc.

 

And what ever happened to Nuno Bettencourt? I'd completely forgotten about him!

 

BB

Peter

[Guest guest]

It does seem that at some gigs the crowd consists of people at least half my age, paranoia creeping in no doubt. I`m sure it puts a lot of older fans off.

Circle pits/mosh pits not for the elderly!

 

The Valley Vegan............heartwerk <jo.heartwork wrote:

Why would it be someone else suggesting you bring your father? Whywouldn't it be you and your parents chatting away saying ' hey,Stratovarius (or whoever)is playing, shall we go?' There wouldn'tnecessarily be anyone else involved. The times we have been withpeople outside the family it has usually been them who have asked ifwe are going to see a particular band and 'shall we all go together',so we can't be too embarrassing.Jo , fraggle wrote:>> now is different> i couldn't care less one way er the other now..> heh..from my point of view, i find it odd that you don't understand!!!> > if anyone had suggested i bring my father to, say CBGB's, er theanthrax, er any numerous places fer shows, i would have first laughed,and then if they persisted,

thought they were off their rocker> methinks i had a very different family life then a lot of you...> > > heartwerk > Oct 18, 2005 12:37 PM> > Re: First Gigs...> > Sorry Fraggle - I'm finding this hard to understand (I'm not just> being argumentative). Would yo find it horrifying now (assuming it> was a band you liked)?> > Jo> > ---> > When they kick out your front door> How you gonna come?> With your hands on your head> Or on the trigger of your gun> > When the law break in> How you gonna go?> Shot down on the pavement> Or waiting on death row>

[Guest guest]

Hi Peter

 

Yes it would be the same one - I missed him on your list. I think

Ozzy, for all his faults, never has a bad guitarist. One of my

favourite solos is Crazy Train.

 

BB

Jo

 

, " Peter " <metalscarab@g...> wrote:

>

> Hi Jo

>

> Is that the same Zakk Wylde that is 2nd from the bottom of my list,

or were you thinking of another one???

>

> (Sorry, couldn't resist :-))

>

> BB

> Peter

> -

> jo

>

> Tuesday, October 18, 2005 8:26 PM

> Re: First Gigs...

>

>

> How about Zakk Wylde?

>

> Jo

> -

> Peter

>

> Tuesday, October 18, 2005 6:48 PM

> Re: First Gigs...

>

>

> > Are there any good guitarists out there anymore in bands?

Seems they are all 3 chord wonders. The only one I can think of that

> > can make a guitar " sing " is Lang.

>

> Hmmmm, let me think...

>

> John Petrucci (Dream Theater)

> Al Pitrelli (Savatage)

> Alan Morse (Spocks Beard)

> Trey Azagthoth (Jo - what's that band's name... I've gone blank!!!)

> Luca Turilli (Rhapsody)

> Jacob Kjaer (Royal Hunt)

> James Murphy (too many bands to name)

> Alex Skolnick (Testament / Savatage)

> Craig Goldy (Dio)

> Viv Campbell (Def Leppard)

> Chris Caffrey (Savatage)

> Vinnie Burns

> Chris France (Ten)

> Timo Tolkki (Stratovarius)

> Michael Romeo (Symphony X)

> Ralph Santolla (Millenium)

> Matthias Lange (Metallium)

> Yngwie Malmsteen

> Chris Impelliterri

> Joe Satriani

> Steve Vai

> KK Downing (Judas Priest)

> Zakk Wylde (Black Label Society)

> Michael Amott (Arch Enemy)

>

> And that's just off the top of my head... if I was to really

think about it, I'm sure I could come up with another 100 or so.

>

> BB

> Peter

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Peter ,

What do you know , we actually agree on something! I just cant imagine Paul Rodgers attempting some of the Queen repetoire, apparently he is doing some of his back catalogue in the live set amongst the Queen songs! sounds a strange idea to me, but without hearing it who knows?

To many people Queen was all about the camp singer and the distinctive perm sporting guitar sound, oh and two other guys. Freddie was at least 50% of Queen and they should have quit after his untimely demise. (opinion only)

 

The Valley Vegan............

Peter <metalscarab wrote:

 

Hi Peter

 

> Its all down to musical tastes isnt it at the end of the day. I can remember seeing Richie Blackmore playing guitar about 20+

> years ago, playing some impressive stuff and not even looking at what he was playing, and me wishing I could some day be

> that good! Totally blew me away.I still think at his best he could stand up to anyone of his peers ( Malmstien/Van Halen ) .

 

I think we'd disagree on Van Halen... he's not a bad guitarist, but most of what he plays just sounds fast because of all the tapping (incidentally, contrary to what he says, he didn't invent it at all - it's an old Flamenco technique). I thought Spanish Fly was quite impressive, but the rest of his stuff was just using the one style he seemed to be able to play well, with little variation or imagination.

 

> Incidentally talking of Queen, what do you think of their new singer? he was a legend when I was growing up, I was brought

> up on Free, and still think Kossoff was a great guitarist, such a shame.

 

I like Paul Rogers as a singer (Bad Company first practiced in the village hall that is in walking distance of where I used to live!), but I'm not sure that his voice is appropriate for Queen music. I've not actually heard any of the material, so could be completely wrong... but if I was going to choose a new singer for Queen, there's about 200 people who I think have more appropriate voices for the style. Paul Rogers is a great singer, just in a very different style. And I do wish that they hadn't called themselves Queen. Queen was always the four members, and the group should have died when Freddie did.

 

BB

PeterPeter H

 

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HI Peter

 

I don't know what happened to him - but he was a good guitarist.

 

BB

Jo

 

, " Peter " <metalscarab@g...> wrote:

>

> > Have you tried listening to John Petrucci, Nuno Bettencourt, Timo

Tolkki, Alex Skolnick etc.

>

> And what ever happened to Nuno Bettencourt? I'd completely forgotten

about him!

>

> BB

> Peter

>

[Guest guest]

> I forgot - they also came with us to see Iron Maiden at Earls Court,

> and Mostly Autumn at Mean Fiddler. Didn't you go to a Yorkshire prog

> weekend for Mufit's stag weekend?

 

I didn't come to Mostly Autumn. I seem to remember that I was also too busy

for the gig at the stag weekend... but I think it was somewhere beginning

with W that now escapes my mind, and is an annual prog / folk festival - is

it Whitchurch???

 

BB

Peter

[Guest guest]

Then stand nearer the back and enjoy it from there.

 

Jo

 

, peter hurd <swpgh01@t...> wrote:

>

> It does seem that at some gigs the crowd consists of people at least

half my age, paranoia creeping in no doubt. I`m sure it puts a lot of

older fans off.

> Circle pits/mosh pits not for the elderly!

>

> The Valley Vegan............

>

> heartwerk <jo.heartwork@g...> wrote:

> Why would it be someone else suggesting you bring your father? Why

> wouldn't it be you and your parents chatting away saying ' hey,

> Stratovarius (or whoever)is playing, shall we go?' There wouldn't

> necessarily be anyone else involved. The times we have been with

> people outside the family it has usually been them who have asked if

> we are going to see a particular band and 'shall we all go together',

> so we can't be too embarrassing.

>

> Jo

>

> , fraggle wrote:

> >

> > now is different

> > i couldn't care less one way er the other now..

> > heh..from my point of view, i find it odd that you don't understand!!!

> >

> > if anyone had suggested i bring my father to, say CBGB's, er the

> anthrax, er any numerous places fer shows, i would have first laughed,

> and then if they persisted, thought they were off their rocker

> > methinks i had a very different family life then a lot of you...

> >

> >

> > heartwerk

> > Oct 18, 2005 12:37 PM

> >

> > Re: First Gigs...

> >

> > Sorry Fraggle - I'm finding this hard to understand (I'm not just

> > being argumentative). Would yo find it horrifying now (assuming it

> > was a band you liked)?

> >

> > Jo

> >

> > ---

> >

> > When they kick out your front door

> > How you gonna come?

> > With your hands on your head

> > Or on the trigger of your gun

> >

> > When the law break in

> > How you gonna go?

> > Shot down on the pavement

> > Or waiting on death row

> >

>

To send an email to -

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Peter

 

> Circle pits/mosh pits not for the elderly!

 

Or for anyone who thinks that bones are meant to remain in one piece, and prefer their blood to remain inside their body!

 

BB

Peter

[Guest guest]

Rudeness? oh sorry PC check, people of diminutive stature. Better.

By the way the reference was to his old band Elf, which I assumed was his own piss take on his height.

 

Sorry Jo Welsh humour again, we tend to take the mikey out of everything around here, not much else left to do! probably why we are all so thick skinned.

 

The Valley Vegan................

 

heartwerk <jo.heartwork wrote:

Is there no end to your rudeness Peter?Dio is tiny - so what? I thought it was the music we were discussingbut obviously not.Jo , peter hurd wrote:>> Sorry Jo , but after they kicked out Ozzy, brought in dwarfs etc toreplace him, they just didnt do it for me, mind you as I saidpreviously my musical tastes changed a lot around that time anyhoo.> > The Valley Vegan............> > jo wrote:> What happened to Sabbath?> > Jo> - > peter hurd > > Tuesday, October 18, 2005 8:10 PM> Re: Re: First Gigs...> > > Hi Jo,> Most bands split at some time no matter what music they play,

Iguess some just know when to call it a day, and others just try andlive on past glories and cash in on the name even when the moretalented and original members have left. It gets sad to see bands likethat, look what happened to Purple / Sabbath etc....> > The Valley Vegan.............> > heartwerk wrote:> Hi Peter / Peter (VV)> > I was wondering why Peter (VV) is surprised that old rock/metal bands > are still going. Do punk bands give up after a few years?> > Jo> > > , "Peter" wrote:> >> > Hi Peter> > > > > Why would they still be going? you`ll be telling me next that > Saxon are still going! ha ha> > > > Strangely enough... they are... both of them... yep - about 10 years > ago they split in two, and there are now *two* groups going around >

calling themselves Saxon.> > > > I don't think too many of the old school bands have faded out yet... > Maiden and Priest are both still going. I gather that Wishbone Ash is > currently doing a tour, Sabbath still get together for the occassional > show. I believe Deep Purple are still hanging around as well.> > > > BB> > Peter> >> > > > > > > > To send an email to - >