First Gigs...

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Take a look at :

http://www.nuno-bettencourt.com/

 

The Valley Vegan.........heartwerk <jo.heartwork wrote:

HI PeterI don't know what happened to him - but he was a good guitarist.BBJo , "Peter" wrote:>> > Have you tried listening to John Petrucci, Nuno Bettencourt, TimoTolkki, Alex Skolnick etc.> > And what ever happened to Nuno Bettencourt? I'd completely forgottenabout him!> > BB> Peter>

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LOL - I do try not to look stupid when I go to concerts - just wear a

band t-shirt - always black of course. If I was young I would

probably wear the goth gear, or some of it - but would look daft nowadays.

 

Jo

 

, peter hurd <swpgh01@t...> wrote:

>

> Well said Jo, age shouldnt be a barrier to anything. Well maybe

hairstyles ( blue rinse anyone? or has it fallen out already?), oh and

hip hop - not recomended to spin on your head with curviture of the

spine, oh and entering best smiles competition - dentures sometimes

slip out at the most inconvenient time!

>

> Sorry Welsh sense of humour, must be getting near my bed time now,

wheres my bed pan and my horlicks?

>

> The Valley Vegan............

>

> jo <jo.heartwork@g...> wrote:

> Why would it be weird Fraggle?

>

> Nobody ever seems to mind coming out with us. Our daughter has come to

> concerts with us, and one of Peter's friends came to a couple of

concerts

> with us, and Peter of course. There's a young chap where I work who

came to

> a

> concert with us a couple of weeks ago, had a really good time and is

coming

> to Arch Enemy with us.

>

> Youngsters that we don't know at the concerts are very friendly

towards us

> and chat. I have often had people come up to me and say which concerts

> they've seen me at and start up a conversation, like at the Bloodstock

> festival where we chatted about bands with about a dozen of them. The

> concert before last we were greeted happily by someone who had seen

us at

> another concert, and even hugged! I don't think Peter has ever felt

> uncomfortable coming out with us - I'm sure he wouldn't come if he did.

>

> I know you said you didn't want to cause offense, and I'm not overly

> offended, but ... we're normal people - metal fans - and age shouldn't

> matter.

>

> Jo

>

> Jo

>

>

> -

> " fraggle "

> To:

> Tuesday, October 18, 2005 5:24 PM

> Re: Re: First Gigs...

>

>

> > please don't take any offense to this jo(er peter!)(er anyone else fer

> that matter)

> > but

> > going to a show with my father as a teen would be just..beyond weird!

> >

> > and..as fer today...i moved 3000 miles away from my father back in

the mid

> 80's...

> > he is now about 1000 miles away..but..still...kinda far to commute

fer a

> show!

> >

> > and no, we have not much musical tastes in common....

> > tho he did like the ramones

> >

> >

> > heartwerk

> > Oct 17, 2005 11:43 PM

> >

> > Re: First Gigs...

> >

> > Is that cos you don't like the same music as your family or cos you

> > don't get on with them?

> >

> > Jo

> >

> > , fraggle wrote:

> > >

> > > oh dear

> > > i went to johnny cash with my step mother and grandmother...but i

> > was 7

> > > think thats the only time i went with parental units

> > >

> > > no..wait..i saw the righteous brothers some time after like..when i

> > was like 10.....

> > >

> > > but..everything else was *alone*...with friends and such...but....

> > >

> > >

> > > Peter

> > > Oct 17, 2005 12:45 PM

> > >

> > > Re: First Gigs...

> > >

> > > Hi Fraggle

> > >

> > > > first one i went to on my own? some metal band in like

> > 1979..called

> > > eyes....

> > >

> > > Depends what you mean by " on your own " ... I've never been to a gig

> > alone.

> > > First one without my parents was ever such a long time ago... March

> > 2005 to

> > > be precise.... Incubus Succubus. :-)

> > >

> > > BB

> > > Peter

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > To send an email to -

> >

> > >

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That's the one :-) That was the first Metallica one I heard live - I

didn't stop grinning for a week.

 

BB

Jo

 

, " Peter " <metalscarab@g...> wrote:

>

> Hi Jo

>

> > Admittedly I haven't been in a guitar shop for about five years, but

> > ... the last several times I was, people picked up guitars and played

> > a Metallica riff - can't remember which one.

>

> Enter Sandman!

>

> BB

> Peter

>

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That's right - it was one of your weekends where everything came at

once and you had four different outings to choose from. Mostly Autumn

is not one of your favourit bands if I remember rightly, but Colin

loves them.

 

BB

Jo

 

, " Peter " <metalscarab@g...> wrote:

>

> > I forgot - they also came with us to see Iron Maiden at Earls Court,

> > and Mostly Autumn at Mean Fiddler. Didn't you go to a Yorkshire prog

> > weekend for Mufit's stag weekend?

>

> I didn't come to Mostly Autumn. I seem to remember that I was also

too busy

> for the gig at the stag weekend... but I think it was somewhere

beginning

> with W that now escapes my mind, and is an annual prog / folk

festival - is

> it Whitchurch???

>

> BB

> Peter

>

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LOL - very true - although I haven't seen so many injuries lately. I

remember your friend Chris got a black eye and blood nose.

 

BB

Jo

 

, " Peter " <metalscarab@g...> wrote:

>

> Hi Peter

>

> > Circle pits/mosh pits not for the elderly!

>

> Or for anyone who thinks that bones are meant to remain in one

piece, and prefer their blood to remain inside their body!

>

> BB

> Peter

>

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Ah, I remember Randy Rhodes RIP.

 

The Valley Vegan............heartwerk <jo.heartwork wrote:

Hi PeterYes it would be the same one - I missed him on your list. I thinkOzzy, for all his faults, never has a bad guitarist. One of myfavourite solos is Crazy Train.BBJo , "Peter" wrote:>> Hi Jo> > Is that the same Zakk Wylde that is 2nd from the bottom of my list,or were you thinking of another one???> > (Sorry, couldn't resist :-))> > BB> Peter> - > jo > > Tuesday, October 18, 2005 8:26 PM> Re: First Gigs...> > > How about Zakk Wylde?> > Jo> - > Peter > > Tuesday, October 18,

2005 6:48 PM> Re: First Gigs...> > > > Are there any good guitarists out there anymore in bands? Seems they are all 3 chord wonders. The only one I can think of that> > can make a guitar "sing" is Lang.> > Hmmmm, let me think...> > John Petrucci (Dream Theater)> Al Pitrelli (Savatage)> Alan Morse (Spocks Beard)> Trey Azagthoth (Jo - what's that band's name... I've gone blank!!!)> Luca Turilli (Rhapsody)> Jacob Kjaer (Royal Hunt)> James Murphy (too many bands to name)> Alex Skolnick (Testament / Savatage)> Craig Goldy (Dio)> Viv Campbell (Def Leppard)> Chris Caffrey (Savatage)> Vinnie Burns> Chris France (Ten)> Timo Tolkki (Stratovarius)> Michael Romeo (Symphony X)> Ralph Santolla (Millenium)> Matthias Lange (Metallium)> Yngwie Malmsteen> Chris Impelliterri>

Joe Satriani> Steve Vai> KK Downing (Judas Priest)> Zakk Wylde (Black Label Society)> Michael Amott (Arch Enemy)> > And that's just off the top of my head... if I was to reallythink about it, I'm sure I could come up with another 100 or so.> > BB> Peter>

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Thanks Peter.

 

Jo

 

, peter hurd <swpgh01@t...> wrote:

>

> Take a look at :

> http://www.nuno-bettencourt.com/

>

> The Valley Vegan.........

>

> heartwerk <jo.heartwork@g...> wrote:

> HI Peter

>

> I don't know what happened to him - but he was a good guitarist.

>

> BB

> Jo

>

> , " Peter " wrote:

> >

> > > Have you tried listening to John Petrucci, Nuno Bettencourt, Timo

> Tolkki, Alex Skolnick etc.

> >

> > And what ever happened to Nuno Bettencourt? I'd completely forgotten

> about him!

> >

> > BB

> > Peter

> >

>

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Yup and a lot of the front men don't know when to give it up. With age, some of their voices start to head south.

 

Lynda

 

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peter hurd

Tuesday, October 18, 2005 12:10 PM

Re: Re: First Gigs...

 

Hi Jo,

Most bands split at some time no matter what music they play, I guess some just know when to call it a day, and others just try and live on past glories and cash in on the name even when the more talented and original members have left. It gets sad to see bands like that, look what happened to Purple / Sabbath etc....

 

The Valley Vegan.............

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You must have a different Bad Company than our Bad Company because the lead singer, well no one at all from the band was named Paul Roger.

 

And, surprise, surprise, we agree on something. Queen should have simply stopped when Freddie died. He WAS Queen! Period!

 

Lynda

 

-

Peter

 

 

I like Paul Rogers as a singer (Bad Company first practiced in the village hall that is in walking distance of where I used to live!), but I'm not sure that his voice is appropriate for Queen music. I've not actually heard any of the material, so could be completely wrong... but if I was going to choose a new singer for Queen, there's about 200 people who I think have more appropriate voices for the style. Paul Rogers is a great singer, just in a very different style. And I do wish that they hadn't called themselves Queen. Queen was always the four members, and the group should have died when Freddie did.

 

BB

Peter

 

 

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I have a selection of versions of his solo in Crazy Train - one I have

only on a bad video which I taped from MTVs Headbangers Ball (when it

was the European version) when Vanessa Warwick did the programme. It

is such a good version, but I have never heard it since.

 

Jo

 

, peter hurd <swpgh01@t...> wrote:

>

> Ah, I remember Randy Rhodes RIP.

>

> The Valley Vegan............

>

> heartwerk <jo.heartwork@g...> wrote:

> Hi Peter

>

> Yes it would be the same one - I missed him on your list. I think

> Ozzy, for all his faults, never has a bad guitarist. One of my

> favourite solos is Crazy Train.

>

> BB

> Jo

>

> , " Peter " wrote:

> >

> > Hi Jo

> >

> > Is that the same Zakk Wylde that is 2nd from the bottom of my list,

> or were you thinking of another one???

> >

> > (Sorry, couldn't resist :-))

> >

> > BB

> > Peter

> > -

> > jo

> >

> > Tuesday, October 18, 2005 8:26 PM

> > Re: First Gigs...

> >

> >

> > How about Zakk Wylde?

> >

> > Jo

> > -

> > Peter

> >

> > Tuesday, October 18, 2005 6:48 PM

> > Re: First Gigs...

> >

> >

> > > Are there any good guitarists out there anymore in bands?

> Seems they are all 3 chord wonders. The only one I can think of that

> > > can make a guitar " sing " is Lang.

> >

> > Hmmmm, let me think...

> >

> > John Petrucci (Dream Theater)

> > Al Pitrelli (Savatage)

> > Alan Morse (Spocks Beard)

> > Trey Azagthoth (Jo - what's that band's name... I've gone blank!!!)

> > Luca Turilli (Rhapsody)

> > Jacob Kjaer (Royal Hunt)

> > James Murphy (too many bands to name)

> > Alex Skolnick (Testament / Savatage)

> > Craig Goldy (Dio)

> > Viv Campbell (Def Leppard)

> > Chris Caffrey (Savatage)

> > Vinnie Burns

> > Chris France (Ten)

> > Timo Tolkki (Stratovarius)

> > Michael Romeo (Symphony X)

> > Ralph Santolla (Millenium)

> > Matthias Lange (Metallium)

> > Yngwie Malmsteen

> > Chris Impelliterri

> > Joe Satriani

> > Steve Vai

> > KK Downing (Judas Priest)

> > Zakk Wylde (Black Label Society)

> > Michael Amott (Arch Enemy)

> >

> > And that's just off the top of my head... if I was to really

> think about it, I'm sure I could come up with another 100 or so.

> >

> > BB

> > Peter

> >

>

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HI Peter

 

I think John Deacon had the right idea. He retired after Freddie died.

 

I reckon Brian May should take over from Patrick Moore presenting The

Sky At Night and do solo stuff in his spare time.

 

Jo

 

, peter hurd <swpgh01@t...> wrote:

>

> Hi Peter ,

> What do you know , we actually agree on something! I just cant

imagine Paul Rodgers attempting some of the Queen repetoire,

apparently he is doing some of his back catalogue in the live set

amongst the Queen songs! sounds a strange idea to me, but without

hearing it who knows?

> To many people Queen was all about the camp singer and the

distinctive perm sporting guitar sound, oh and two other guys. Freddie

was at least 50% of Queen and they should have quit after his untimely

demise. (opinion only)

>

> The Valley Vegan............

>

>

> Peter <metalscarab@g...> wrote:

> Hi Peter

>

> > Its all down to musical tastes isnt it at the end of the day. I

can remember seeing Richie Blackmore playing guitar about 20+

> > years ago, playing some impressive stuff and not even looking at

what he was playing, and me wishing I could some day be

> > that good! Totally blew me away.I still think at his best he could

stand up to anyone of his peers ( Malmstien/Van Halen ) .

>

> I think we'd disagree on Van Halen... he's not a bad guitarist, but

most of what he plays just sounds fast because of all the tapping

(incidentally, contrary to what he says, he didn't invent it at all -

it's an old Flamenco technique). I thought Spanish Fly was quite

impressive, but the rest of his stuff was just using the one style he

seemed to be able to play well, with little variation or imagination.

>

> > Incidentally talking of Queen, what do you think of their new

singer? he was a legend when I was growing up, I was brought

> > up on Free, and still think Kossoff was a great guitarist, such a

shame.

>

> I like Paul Rogers as a singer (Bad Company first practiced in the

village hall that is in walking distance of where I used to live!),

but I'm not sure that his voice is appropriate for Queen music. I've

not actually heard any of the material, so could be completely

wrong... but if I was going to choose a new singer for Queen, there's

about 200 people who I think have more appropriate voices for the

style. Paul Rogers is a great singer, just in a very different style.

And I do wish that they hadn't called themselves Queen. Queen was

always the four members, and the group should have died when Freddie did.

>

> BB

> Peter

>

>

> To send an email to -

>

>

>

>

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Dio still sings the same as ever - he must be about 63 now. Rob

Halford did opt out of a couple of the high screams last time we saw

him, but he does a lot heavier music/singing now. Bruce Dickinson is

the same as ever. Robert Plant - still good. Ozzy is better now than

he was when younger - he can actually sing quite well now.

 

There are so many good singers in rock/metal now it is hard to say who

is best, but I think James LaBrie probably. Hopefully his voice will

stay good.

 

Jo

 

, " Lynda " <lurine@s...> wrote:

>

> Yup and a lot of the front men don't know when to give it up. With

age, some of their voices start to head south.

>

> Lynda

> -

> peter hurd

>

> Tuesday, October 18, 2005 12:10 PM

> Re: Re: First Gigs...

>

>

> Hi Jo,

> Most bands split at some time no matter what music they play, I

guess some just know when to call it a day, and others just try and

live on past glories and cash in on the name even when the more

talented and original members have left. It gets sad to see bands like

that, look what happened to Purple / Sabbath etc....

>

> The Valley Vegan.............

>

[Guest guest]

hahahaha

sorry..we just think in different ways Jo

i'm sorry..i just couldn't imagine even considering my father and I going to a

show together when i was a teen....

lets just leave it at i don't understand you, and you don't understand me, and

scratch our heads at one another

k?

 

 

heartwerk <jo.heartwork

Oct 18, 2005 4:10 PM

 

Re: First Gigs...

 

Why would it be someone else suggesting you bring your father? Why

wouldn't it be you and your parents chatting away saying ' hey,

Stratovarius (or whoever)is playing, shall we go?' There wouldn't

necessarily be anyone else involved. The times we have been with

people outside the family it has usually been them who have asked if

we are going to see a particular band and 'shall we all go together',

so we can't be too embarrassing.

 

Jo

 

---

 

When they kick out your front door

How you gonna come?

With your hands on your head

Or on the trigger of your gun

 

When the law break in

How you gonna go?

Shot down on the pavement

Or waiting on death row

[Guest guest]

maybe twice

 

my father stopped drinkin in the mid 80's, right after i left..he had a really

bad accident, and lost his pancreas and spleen

he takes a handful of pills with every meal...

 

sorry..it just strikes me as odd..bringing one's parents to a show when yer a

kid er a teen....

no offense

 

don't get me wrong, my father and i still did some things when i was a

teen..but...i don't even know if i would consider him a friend...he was my

father..and that was that....

our family togetherness consisted of going to california all summer..and even

then, by my mid teens, i was off on my own...

 

 

heartwerk <jo.heartwork

Oct 18, 2005 4:26 PM

 

Re: First Gigs...

 

Your word 'bringing' is not what happens in my family though. Nobody

'brings' anyone - we all go together - joint decision, no coercing or

pressure - all equal - all enjoying and out for fun. Since my kids

have grown up I would hope to be considered a friend.

 

Did you ever go to the pub for a drink with your father?

 

Jo

 

 

When they kick out your front door

How you gonna come?

With your hands on your head

Or on the trigger of your gun

 

When the law break in

How you gonna go?

Shot down on the pavement

Or waiting on death row

[Guest guest]

I don't want to dig too deep, or offend, just trying to understand,

but you're still using the word 'bringing' as though there was a power

struggle and you didn't want to lose control.

 

BB

Jo

 

, fraggle <EBbrewpunx@e...> wrote:

>

> maybe twice

>

> my father stopped drinkin in the mid 80's, right after i left..he

had a really bad accident, and lost his pancreas and spleen

> he takes a handful of pills with every meal...

>

> sorry..it just strikes me as odd..bringing one's parents to a show

when yer a kid er a teen....

> no offense

>

> don't get me wrong, my father and i still did some things when i was

a teen..but...i don't even know if i would consider him a friend...he

was my father..and that was that....

> our family togetherness consisted of going to california all

summer..and even then, by my mid teens, i was off on my own...

>

>

> heartwerk <jo.heartwork@g...>

> Oct 18, 2005 4:26 PM

>

> Re: First Gigs...

>

> Your word 'bringing' is not what happens in my family though. Nobody

> 'brings' anyone - we all go together - joint decision, no coercing or

> pressure - all equal - all enjoying and out for fun. Since my kids

> have grown up I would hope to be considered a friend.

>

> Did you ever go to the pub for a drink with your father?

>

> Jo

>

>

> When they kick out your front door

> How you gonna come?

> With your hands on your head

> Or on the trigger of your gun

>

> When the law break in

> How you gonna go?

> Shot down on the pavement

> Or waiting on death row

>

[Guest guest]

speak fer yer self

i still dance!!

peter hurd Oct 18, 2005 4:32 PM Re: Re: First Gigs...

It does seem that at some gigs the crowd consists of people at least half my age, paranoia creeping in no doubt. I`m sure it puts a lot of older fans off.

Circle pits/mosh pits not for the elderly!

 

The Valley Vegan............heartwerk <jo.heartwork wrote:

 

When they kick out your front door

How you gonna come?

With your hands on your head

Or on the trigger of your gun

When the law break in

How you gonna go?

Shot down on the pavement

Or waiting on death row

[Guest guest]

we want our term back dammit!!!

 

 

heartwerk <jo.heartwork

Oct 18, 2005 4:49 PM

 

Re: First Gigs...

 

I'm not sure. The bands I call hardcore are probably not the ones you

like. I like Killswitch Engage and Disturbed - can't think of others

at present.

 

Jo

 

---

 

When they kick out your front door

How you gonna come?

With your hands on your head

Or on the trigger of your gun

 

When the law break in

How you gonna go?

Shot down on the pavement

Or waiting on death row

[Guest guest]

metal pits always were more violent then punk pits.....

different style of dancing....

 

 

heartwerk <jo.heartwork

Oct 18, 2005 4:57 PM

 

Re: First Gigs...

 

LOL - very true - although I haven't seen so many injuries lately. I

remember your friend Chris got a black eye and blood nose.

 

BB

Jo

 

, " Peter " <metalscarab@g...> wrote:

>

> Hi Peter

>

> > Circle pits/mosh pits not for the elderly!

>

> Or for anyone who thinks that bones are meant to remain in one

piece, and prefer their blood to remain inside their body!

>

> BB

> Peter

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Gets confusing doesn't it?

 

Jo

 

, fraggle <EBbrewpunx@e...> wrote:

>

> we want our term back dammit!!!

>

>

>

> heartwerk <jo.heartwork@g...>

> Oct 18, 2005 4:49 PM

>

> Re: First Gigs...

>

> I'm not sure. The bands I call hardcore are probably not the ones you

> like. I like Killswitch Engage and Disturbed - can't think of others

> at present.

>

> Jo

>

> ---

>

> When they kick out your front door

> How you gonna come?

> With your hands on your head

> Or on the trigger of your gun

>

> When the law break in

> How you gonna go?

> Shot down on the pavement

> Or waiting on death row

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, Ozzy is better. He used to sound like he had a mouth full of mush!

Heard Plant live not to long ago and the whole thing sounded bad, so it

could have been the place.

 

Lynda

-

" heartwerk " <jo.heartwork

 

Tuesday, October 18, 2005 3:25 PM

Re: First Gigs...

 

 

> Dio still sings the same as ever - he must be about 63 now. Rob

> Halford did opt out of a couple of the high screams last time we saw

> him, but he does a lot heavier music/singing now. Bruce Dickinson is

> the same as ever. Robert Plant - still good. Ozzy is better now than

> he was when younger - he can actually sing quite well now.

>

> There are so many good singers in rock/metal now it is hard to say who

> is best, but I think James LaBrie probably. Hopefully his voice will

> stay good.

>

> Jo

[Guest guest]

They don't like being called metal or metal core. Kidlet says rock or maybe hard rock. DH said the lead guitar player is pretty good. Kidlet asked me to listen to see if they could carry a tune (we've been discussing some of her punk bands that need a basket to carry a tune <g>) and they weren't bad.

 

Lynda

 

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peter hurd

Tuesday, October 18, 2005 1:57 PM

Re: Re: First Gigs...

 

I think you would like Avenged Sevenfold,

 

The Valley Vegan...........heartwerk <jo.heartwork wrote:

I'm not sure. The bands I call hardcore are probably not the ones youlike. I like Killswitch Engage and Disturbed - can't think of othersat present.Jo

[Guest guest]

Ah, how does one forget them? One either remembers them or one doesn't. Yes? No?

 

Lynda

 

-

peter hurd

Tuesday, October 18, 2005 2:01 PM

Re: Re: First Gigs...

 

Ther was a time when there was always some bright spark who felt the need to try and remember all of Hotel Caifornia or Freebird!..lifes too short.

 

The Valley Vegan............

[Guest guest]

I think that fraggle is talking

about a generation gap.

some older people (not jo nor lynda)

are very much a representation of their generation

and stay there.

 

my mom for instance, was raised in a convent and

she could not possible relate to the things that

I was interested in, nor could I confide in her

being that she was judmental about things

she did not understand.

 

I think it is great that Jo and Lynda are cool moms.

I aim to be that way too. for a kid,

when your friends like your parents,

that is the biggest compliment.

 

 

, " Lynda " <lurine@s...> wrote:

>

> Geez, Fraggle, all the teens always went everywhere with us, and

still do,

> including concerts and stuff AND even the mall! That would be our

kidlets,

> the foster kids and the " orphans " (throw away kids the kidlets

brought home

[Guest guest]

go live yer live

i'm gonna live mine

sorry

none of ya are speakin the same language

 

 

Lynda <lurine

Oct 18, 2005 12:58 PM

 

Re: Re: First Gigs...

 

Geez, Fraggle, all the teens always went everywhere with us, and still do,

including concerts and stuff AND even the mall! That would be our kidlets,

the foster kids and the " orphans " (throw away kids the kidlets brought home

or that just attached themselves to our home) plus all the kids they knew

from various schools.

 

Heck, we even bought a Suburban so we could pile more kids in it to go more

places!

 

Whatsa ya problem, as Papa would say.

 

Lynda

-

" fraggle " <EBbrewpunx

 

 

> has nothin to do with age

> the thought of bein a teen, and going to a show with my father is, well,

> appaling!!

 

 

 

 

 

 

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wot power struggle jo????

bringing(yes bringing) my father to a show as a wee fraggle just sounds...how

can i explain this.,.sounds absolutely terrifying

 

he had his life...i had mine...

never the twain shall meet....

 

why would there be a power strugle

maybe it was about...tryin to take my own path...discover a different way

 

seriously..you all are the first ppl i've ever head of who even remotely would

have thought of going out with there teen age lil ones.....

 

everyone is different

 

 

heartwerk <jo.heartwork

Oct 18, 2005 3:38 PM

 

Re: First Gigs...

 

I don't want to dig too deep, or offend, just trying to understand,

but you're still using the word 'bringing' as though there was a power

struggle and you didn't want to lose control.

 

BB

Jo

 

, fraggle <EBbrewpunx@e...> wrote:

>

> maybe twice

>

> my father stopped drinkin in the mid 80's, right after i left..he

had a really bad accident, and lost his pancreas and spleen

> he takes a handful of pills with every meal...

>

> sorry..it just strikes me as odd..bringing one's parents to a show

when yer a kid er a teen....

> no offense

>

> don't get me wrong, my father and i still did some things when i was

a teen..but...i don't even know if i would consider him a friend...he

was my father..and that was that....

> our family togetherness consisted of going to california all

summer..and even then, by my mid teens, i was off on my own...

>

>

> heartwerk <jo.heartwork@g...>

> Oct 18, 2005 4:26 PM

>

> Re: First Gigs...

>

> Your word 'bringing' is not what happens in my family though. Nobody

> 'brings' anyone - we all go together - joint decision, no coercing or

> pressure - all equal - all enjoying and out for fun. Since my kids

> have grown up I would hope to be considered a friend.

>

> Did you ever go to the pub for a drink with your father?

>

> Jo

>

>

> When they kick out your front door

> How you gonna come?

> With your hands on your head

> Or on the trigger of your gun

>

> When the law break in

> How you gonna go?

> Shot down on the pavement

> Or waiting on death row

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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